Mormons

[MarcUK]

I just dont like 'em!

[thentro]

they are nuts

[BRussell]

Hey! Think up your own threads!
:mad: :p

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[ThinkingDifferent]

Don't they have multiple wifes?? :D

[Scott_H]

Bigot

[ThinkingDifferent]

[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Bigot</strong><hr></blockquote>

What's wrong with not liking somebody because of their religion?? This is a free world. Shit, look at the wars that have been fought because of religion.
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[Scott_H]

'cause it's bigotry.

[ThinkingDifferent]

[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>'cause it's bigotry.</strong><hr></blockquote>

BullShit. Grow up and join the real world. People are going to be dislike for a number of reasons, the music they listen to, their hair style etc.. People need to get over the fact that somebody is NOT going to like somebody for some reason.. Somebody, I forget who it is, here has the sig that goes something like Men are from earth, Women are from earth, deal with it. Dude, deal with it...

[Matsu]

I'm not sure you can call something bigotry when the source of contention is as patently ridiculous as the tenets of Mormonism. That's all I'm going to say.

[Peacekeeper]

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>I'm not sure you can call something bigotry when the source of contention is as patently ridiculous as the tenets of Mormonism. That's all I'm going to say.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Let's not head down the road the previous thread did. If you all want to *reasonably* discuss the LDS religion, so be it. Let's not make it a mud-slinging, hate-perpetuating thread like the last was.

The FACT is that everyone has their own opinions on various issues. If you think Mormons are weird for whatever reason, you're probably just as weird for your own reasons. Get over it.

Argumentation for the sake of arguing will get this thread nowhere fast. Reasonable discussion will address the issues that make Mormonism different from other faiths, without condemning the denomination because they have beliefs that you see as contradictory to your own.

It's probably reasonable to say that no religion's beliefs will end up being harmful to you if you aren't a part of it. If you aren't Mormon, why incite detrimental discussion about them when you aren't affected by what they believe?

Discuss reasonably. Play nice. Don't hate. Peace out.

[RyanTheGreat]

hmm... good idea! lets make another version of one of the worst threads to come from AI!


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[MarcUK]

[quote]Originally posted by RyanTheGreat:
<strong>
hmm... good idea! lets make another version of one of the worst threads to come from AI!


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:D

[Outsider]

Hey if people can say they don't like Mormaons then can others say they don't like muslims? Or jews? or catholics? oh wait that would be "wrong". :rolleyes:

[Matsu]

I might group Mormons closer to Jehova's Witnesses, Hare Chrishnas, and Scientologists, than I would to Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

[Scott_H]

[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>Hey if people can say they don't like Mormaons then can others say they don't like muslims? Or jews? or catholics? oh wait that would be "wrong". :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>


No no no. If you point out the obvious failings of the islamic/arab world then you are a bigot. That's because they are the world's underdogs right now. Mormons are not on the liberal elites' protected list so not only is it okay to hate them but it's un-PC not to say so.

[Outsider]

I might group Mormons closer to Jehova's Witnesses, Hare Chrishnas, and Scientologists, than I would to Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

And what makes one better than the other? Can you even quantify it?

No no no. If you point out the obvious failings of the islamic/arab world then you are a bigot. That's because they are the world's underdogs right now. Mormons are not on the liberal elites' protected list so not only is it okay to hate them but it's un-PC not to say so.

Oh I get it now.

[trick fall]

Scott could you forward me that list I seem to have misplaced mine.

[CosmoNut]

Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc. are such major religions that to make fun of one of those major categories would be long and difficult,...

BUT if you can make fun of a specific denomination that deviates JUUUUUST enough from the "norm" of the other denominations in a main category, that's okay.

EXAMPLE: Catholicism, Lutheranism, etc. are mainstream enough in the Christian faith that it's pointless to try criticizing them, but Mormonism...well that's another story. They're *wacko* enough of a Christian faith that anything is free game.

Am I right? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

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[Scott_H]

[quote]Originally posted by trick fall:
<strong>Scott could you forward me that list I seem to have misplaced mine.</strong><hr></blockquote>


It's easy. All brown people who are not Christians or Jews.

[groverat]

It's easy to make fun of Mormonism because most people are completely ignorant of the way it is run and organized.

Just like it was easy to think that blacks were inherently inferior in the 19th century.

[NoahJ]

This thread is bigoted. As was the last one. the last one got locked because someone could not talk in a somewhat intelligent manner about what the conversation was. (you know who you are)

Threads like this are helpful and not helpful all at the same time. You want to know the public face of the LDS or Mormon church look no further than their own <a href="http://www.mormon.org/" target="_blank">Website.</a> I don't know that it is going to be enough for you (and I am not a Mormon, nor do I agree with a lot of what they believe) but check for your answers there first. Then if you want to talk on it in an intelligent manner I am sure people would love to talk (argue) with you. :p

<a href="http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/questions/0,8789,895-1-3,00.html" target="_blank">They even have a FAQ.</a>

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[Outsider]

It's only a matter of time...

http://www.masterlock.com/images/color_img/130.jpg

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[Matsu]

I'm not talking about the people, but I guess the thread is, in which case I'll have to agree that it is bigoted. Sorry.

If I may, I would like to seperate my discussion of the people and the beliefs. Mormons shouldn't be criticised simply on the basis of their beliefs, true. None of us, myself included, would be too well off if we had to bear the brunt of critiques directed to what is usually a cultural inheritance that we have no real choice about. Often, by the time we do have a choice in the matter of faith, conditioning has done enough work to cast significant doubt on objectivity, reason, and the possiblities of conversion (to other faiths), or the evolution of an inherited faith. Family politics doesn't help. In short, most of us are stuck with faith that our parents gave us. Nobody should be penalized for that.

But Mormonism is a set of ideas. They could be good, they could be bad, and they could be ridiculous. While such a judgement is perilously close to a judgement of Mormons, it is not the same thing. People are certainly within their rights to say that the ideas of Mormonism are ridiculous, as they are free to say the same about Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Then we get to considering the merits of doctrine and tradition. Not everyone will reach the same conclusions, but everyone is free to give more or less merit to any set, to order them in an informed scale based on intellectual output, scholarship, art, history, politics.

For me, it has nothing to do with who is on the liberal left's 'P.C. protected species list.' (which is itself a ridiculous animal,as Scott H points out) I could easily say the following without bigotry:

The general contentions of Mormonism about history are incredibly incorrect.

Some of Catholicism's archaisms concerning birth-control, homosexuality, and ordination of women are clearly (hetero)sexist.

Judaism is considerably more evolved than many modern religions in it's philosophy, yet also archaic in many forms of law, and certainly eclipsed in the area of art by Catholicism.

We could go on further, but I don't really have time.

If you want to discuss Mormonism, or Catholicism, or what have you, why shouldn't one be allowed to come to unfavorable conclusions about ideas?

[NoahJ]

Well thought out Matsu. :)

One should be allowed to come to a negative conclusion but the way in which that conclusion is stated can go a long way towards whether or not your opinion will be respected or just ignored. But you know that already. ;)