Three Things You Want Added to Each Product Line

[Eugene]

1) Matter transport
2) Barry Sanders
3) 22 Jizzahurtz CPUs
4) more boobs

[qazII]

Bumping back to the top. This thread was pushed to the bottom as a reply was added to it when the AI clock was somehow set to April 15/16, 1990.

[Caler]

All things good and pure flow from greater bandwidth...revised MB, DDR Ram, faster HDs. If I understand correctly, none are really of value until the processor is fast enough to feed them, no?

Caler

[TigerWoods99]

PowerMac

1) G5 & UMA 2 (DDR, AGP 8X, FireWire 800 Mbps, USB 2.0, faster bus, Rapid IO, etc.)
2) redesigned case with AT LEAST2 full 5.25" drive bays
3) NV25 & Radeon 8500 standard

Powerbook

1) Apollo G4 running at 800 MHz+
2) NV17M or Radeon Mobility 7500 with AT LEAST 32 MB RAM
3) higher resolution screen i.e. AT LEAST1440 x whatever

iMac

1) GeForce4 MX
2) option of 17" LCD
3) 1 GHz

iBook

1) Sahara G3 800 MHz+
2) Radeon Mobility w/AT LEAST16 MB RAM
3) lighter?

[neutrino23]

iBook
1. lighter - under three pounds
2. longer battery life, six hours of fairly intense use.

All other products - Some kind of bundling, perhaps done by a third party, so that I could give a complete system to someone. For example, an iMac, a printer (installed an and selected in the chooser), an ISP, a one click account at Apple (for iPhoto use), etc. Now if I want to do this for my mom or my brother it involves getting on an airplane, going there and assemblig all the parts.

[Hornet]

Interesting thread applenut

Powermac series

1. G5 processors
2. UMA2 motherboard, with the works. Bus speeds of either 266mhz or 400mhz (133 double pumped or 200 double pumped, matching the DDR RAM).
3. Fully flexible BTO options, like there used to be. I'm talking being able to take that bottom PM and change the processor to the top model's. Or at least a DP option for the bottom model (presuming mid and high are going to have DP G5's)

iMac

1. Radeon 7500 or Geforce 4 MX
2. Cheaper models. In the next rev, keep the bottom model with the same spec (or make it a 4th model), but for $999 or $1099. It's time apple took the CRT iMac's market away (and the next show, a $799 model).
3. Speed bumps, 900/900/1000. With the PM on the G5, they are clear to let the iMac use the G4's top processors.

Displays:

1. 17" cut to $599 (it's $699 now with rebate, 600 would be competitive in 4 months, 500 would be very, 700 would be way behind).
2. Cinema res bumped to HDTV res (1920x1400 ??)
3. 15" dropped to $399

Airport

1. Change to at least a 50Mbps format, compatible with current technology (read: 11Mbps can connect on a 50Mbps, at 11Mbps). Same range, maybe better thru concrete/metal...
2. PRICE DROPS. $49 for an airport card. $199
3. Include an airport card on all pro machines, and the top iMac.

Misc Accessories:

1. Bundle pro speakers with all desktop machines, and offer heavy discounts on iSticks when purchased w/macs
2. Heavy discounts on mac/iPod purchases (like office and a mac, US$150 off).

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Hornet ]</p>

[corvette]

PowerMac G4
1.) G5
2.) CHEAPER
3.) Improved updated 2.0 UMA motherboard (DDR, 266Mhz FSB, 8X AGP, ATA/133, etc)

Powerbook G4
1.) Radeon mobility 8500
2.) Higher resolution screen (equal DPI to 12 inch iBook)
3.) 1 Ghz g4

iBook
1.) G4
2.) ATI Radeon mobility 16MB DDR
3.) Different color

iMac
1.) Radeon 7500 or Geforce 4MX
2.) Cheaper
3.) More MHZ and more bus

Displays
1.) price cuts to 449, 799, 1999
2.) VGA
3.) Better color handling

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: corvette ]</p>

[applenut]

Now that all the lines have been refreshed I thought it would be a good time to ressurect this topic again.

same rules... three things for each product... no clockspeed because everyone wants it to increase


PowerMac G4
1.) G5
2.) Cheap DP option at around $1999 (dual 733 or something)
3.) Improved updated 2.0 UMA motherboard (DDR, 266Mhz FSB, 8X AGP, ATA/133, etc)

Powerbook G4
1.) Radeon mobility 7500
2.) Higher resolution screen (equal DPI to 12 inch iBook)
3.) new HD options from IBM and Fujitsu

iBook
1.) G4
2.) ATI Radeon mobility 16MB DDR
3.) extended desktop video support

iMac
1.) Radeon 7500 or Geforce 4MX
2.) 17 inch LCD option (maybe for 1999 @MWNY)
3.) More HD BTO options (up to 160GB)

Displays
1.) price cuts to 449, 799, 1999
2.) an 18 inch Cinema Display
3.) HDTV native resolution Cinema Display

iPod
1.) bigger HD options 10GB or possibly 20
2.) ability to record and encode on the fly
3.) 2 or three versions depending on HDs. 299 and 399 or 299, 399, 599

[MacGP]

Yes, those would all be very nice. Possibly sometime in the future ;)

[Moogs]

OK, I'll bite...

Power Mac:
1. A completely re-designed UMA that supports DDR, 800mbps firewire, and ATA/100 (so people stop worrying about it because we're nowhere near having an ATA drive that can top out at 100MB/s).

2. Four USB ports ON THE BACK OF THE MACHINE, don't care which flavor since the kinds of peripherals I use for USB are about convenience, not speed (that's what Firewire is for).

3. Wider range of BTO options (including cheaper ones) for the applicable items: hard drives, graphics cards, and removable media.


I don't plan on buying any other item from the Apple Product Matrix, but if I did it would be a TiBook, so:

1. I'll break the rules and say 7455 CPU's that clock much higher than the existing models (It's the only real weakness IMO).

2. New case design that perhaps puts the Ti where it's needed for strength, but removes it where it is not needed (to drive down the price).

3. Longer duration battery. I bet Apple can make a light weight battery that keeps the machine running for 10-12 hours - so that you could get through an entire working day if you had to without swapping, shutting down or recharging.


As for the other lines, I won't chime in because I don't and probably would not use them at all. I'm a high-end geek.

:)

[Nostradamus]

I agree about having a cheaper dual processor option. Apple seems to have plenty of 1GHz chips to sell at under $3000, so it's probably viable for them to offer slower dual processor configurations at a cheaper price.

[quote]
Powerbook G4
1.) Radeon mobility 7500<hr></blockquote>

Bleh. I'd much rather have the upcoming NV17M. Based on the current G4ForceMX chipset in the current PowerMacs, it is light years ahead than a Radeon mobility.

<a href="http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=nv17m" target="_blank">http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=nv17m</a>

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>

[applenut]

[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
<strong>

Bleh. I'd much rather have the upcoming NV17M. Based on the current G4ForceMX chipset in the current PowerMacs, it is light years ahead than a Radeon mobility.

<a href="http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=nv17m" target="_blank">http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=nv17m</a>

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

how so.. the radeon mobility 7500 with 64MB DDR blows the crap out of anything on the market and I would be surprised if the new nVidia chipset was better

[pscates]

Yes, buy year's end, I'd like to see a:

1. G4 iBook, with a beefier video card, 256MB base RAM and appropriate hard drive.

The iBook is awesome, so there's honestly not much I can think of...just the expected, evolutionary things. But a G4 iBook, bringing ALL of Apple's lineup to full OS X-friendly/usable levels.

As far as the iMac, I think we'll see a 17" version. Unlike the previous iMac, this one is quite clever in its design, in that it leaves room open for future display increases.

Other than that, maybe larger hard drive (as more people do the digital video/iDVD thing).

Oh, and maybe address that silly RAM thing. As far as this new iMac has progressed from the original 233MHz Bondi model, they seemed to have REgressed in the area of RAM and updating RAM.

Like those first generation, tray-loading iMacs, it uses a more expensive RAM, AND you have to have an "expert" open up the case to enable you to max out the RAM. That's no fun!

PC100 RAM, with BOTH slots EASILY accessible (just like the slot-loading models) would be the one thing that would make this new iMac absolutely perfect.

[Programmer]

I take it this is supposed to be reasonably realistic? :)

PowerMac G4
1.) G5... which implies a new motherboard since it'll use a new bus design, so it'll have all the new bus technologies.
2.) BTO DP option on any PM in the store.
3.) The full geForce4 high end boards as a BTO option (at least). Radeon8500 and the next Radeon design as BTO alternatives.

Powerbook G4
... no preference here ...

iBook
1.) G4... I want Apple's entire lineup to have AltiVec.
2.) ATI Radeon mobility 16MB DDR


iMac
1.) Radeon 7500 or Geforce 4MX
2.) 17 inch LCD option
3.) Coloured translucent cases.


Displays
... no preference here ...

iPod
1.) 20 Gb drive & MPEG encoder chip.
2.) A tiny FireWire video recorder (i.e. just the mic, lens, and CCD) that connects to the iPod and uses it to compress and record video. Small enough to be a headset would be cool.
3.) A nice case.

[Nostradamus]

[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong>
PowerMac G4
1.) G5... </strong><hr></blockquote>

You want Apple to call a G5-based PowerMac the PowerMac G4? Well, I've heard the reciprocal, but never this.

<img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[Nostradamus]

[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>
4) more boobs</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple is trying its best.

http://homepage.mac.com/jeffersonh/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2002%2D02%2D01%2008.47.11%20%2D0800/Image9.jpg

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>

[Amorph]

PowerMac:

1) Across the board DP G5 (or DDR-friendly G4) w/ next-gen bus technology;

2) Two FireWire2 busses; one for peripherals, one for plug-and-play clustering at 3.2Gb/s;

3) (Relatively) quiet, smaller case.

iMac:
1) Two standard, user-accessible slots for PC133;

2) 7445 CPU, with DP in the high end model ("world's fastest consumer desktop!");

3) GeForce4MX.

PowerBook:

1) Polymer battery;

2) Radeon 7500 Mobility;

3) Two lines, a la iBook: The svelte line, like the current model, and a big, fire-breathing "portable desktop" with a dense LCD, 5400RPM drive with a fat cache and dual processors.

iBook:

1) Big, built-in polymer battery with 8-10 hour battery life;

2) 7445, on a 133MHz bus;

3) starts at $999.

[Eugene]

That looks like male genitalia. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />

[PookJP]

Powerbook:

Higher resolution screen.

[RolandG]

Spoiling the "three-things-pre-productline"-scheme a little bit - well, not really:

Portables:
* Bluetooth across the line - more and more cellular phones supporting Bluetooth will be introduced (CeBIT is just around the corner)

* Airport standard across the line

* flatten the iBook a bit

* adopt new memory technology as available - i.e. using DDR on the PB and upping the iBook to 133-SDRAM

* OLED - once it is matured

* longer battery-life - it allready is long but hey, the longer, the better

Desktops:

* New memory (see above)

* Offer built-in ISDN (it's kind of common in Europe - at least wider-spread than in the US)

* Offer 17"-(maybe wide-screen?)-souped-up-graphics-(GeForce 3 Ti or 4 or some fast ATI)-digital-audio-out-(or add wireless Pro-Speaker-based X.1 surround sound)-DVI-out-iMac as the ultimate entertainment system

* Bluetooth keyboard and mouse (or keyboard with touchpad) to go with that - or make a decent remote control and gamepads (all wireless, of course)

* Make it as silent as possible - haven't heard one yet and I don't want to in the future ;)

* Soup-up the Gwhatever with the latest technology - the pricepoint demands it

Digital-hub-devices:
* the iPod really is cool - though still expensive, but worth the money - add more functionality and make it a true floppy-disk replacement (i.e. add USB)

* surprise me with something along that line

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: RolandG ]</p>

[Matsu]

[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
<strong>

Apple is trying its best.

http://homepage.mac.com/jeffersonh/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2002%2D02%2D01%2008.47.11%20%2D0800/Image9.jpg

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

That pic just gave me a cool idea. What if some third party made a Y type stand for the pro speakers that allowed them to mount from the base of the iLamp? Maybe a lucite collar ring, well a C really, so that it slips on just around the vent (not over it obviously), and maybe uses two of the holes to keep from moving around. Out of this collar stem two wide arcing arms to which the pro speakers can be affixed. The arms curve back then forward far enough to clear the LCD's range of motion, so they don't impede it. Now your speakers sit reasonable far apart (maybe a touch over two feet), your speakers no longer use up desk space; and, the real bonus, your new iMac looks even more like a sun-flower! HEHEHE

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>

[Spart]

Well heres one thing for each at least

iMac-Bigger Display, Chromed keys on keyboard
PowerMac-Faster Bus/RAM
PowerBook-Bigger Resolution
iBook-Thinner/14 inch standard
iPod-10-25 gb drive or so
Apple Pro Keyboard-Quicksilver/snow-esque design

[MacGregor]

I agree with Eugene, Barry has to comeback and take the rushing stats away from Emmitt.

Regarding the above photo of the iMac in a box that looks almost dirty, it is amazing that good computer design allows for elegant packaging as well.

Product Line Desires:
PB: screen res. obviously
iB: G4 obviously
PM: Quads, Octs, more BTO options
iM: screen options and TV tuner BTO
iP: Easier HD functionality

Cubes: Bring them back as a product line as Deluxe Airport hub with options for audio-in, out and Video-in, out and options for multiple processors for in home cluster computing or for enterprise computing...okay, off the deep end....but sell them as boxes for Linux geeks to play with...their insides would have to be re-engineered to take cheaper off-the shelf components...okay, stupid idea.

[MacGregor]

Oh, I forgot...

iBook: get an option down to 10" screen to push the subnotebook catagory.

[Paul]

iMac-Bigger screen/widescreen
-CD-Rom or DVD-rom ONLY option (i dont want to have to pay for an int burner when I can buy and ext one that is faster and works will all my macs)
-VGA video SPANNING!!! and RGB output similar to the iBook's headphone port
-133+ bus standard including low end
-Apollo+1MB L3 Cache

iBook-(not really a feature) NO MORE 14" iBOOKS, if they want the 14" make them pay a premium, the 12" should still be standard!!! IT IS SO NICE!! also 14" should have video spanning (perk)
-DVD-Only option to be on par with combo drive (600MHz, etc.)--same price (1299)
-combo drive on par with 14" in terms of speed
-100+ MHz bus standard including low end
-sahara

PM-G5(well, DUH) and everything that comes with it--UMA 2.0, DDR, F/W2, USB 2, ATA 100 (133 is overkill), etc... also DUAL option for ALL speeds (only highest speed is retail)
-New case with 2 5.25" bays (one can be converted to a 3.5"er) and 1 f/w port on the front (usb on display and keyboard) speaker moved so it faces down, only plays alert sounds...
-5.1 surround sound option and sound no longer built in (add 1 more PCI slot) on a PCI... (this way you could use the 2nd 5.25 bay for an EQ if you wanted...) also RGB output similar to the iBook's headphone port
-200+bus standard (except REALLY cheap low end)
-L3 cache STANDARD

TiBook-DPI same as 12" iBook
-ATI 7500 mobile standard, nVidia4 GO as a BTO option for the whiners out there
-Offer cheap DVD-Only option with no bells and whistles (screen res/GPU) for same price as 14" iBook, maybe $100 premium
-RGB output similar to the iBook's headphone port
-133+bus standard (except REALLY cheap low end)
-Apollo+L3 Cache

iPod-REMOTE--DOES NOT NEED NEW MODEL
-SEARCH BY GENRE--DOES NOT NEED NEW MODEL
-MORE SIZE OPTIONS
-ability to control iTunes from iPod when connected to computer (IE search the COMPUTER's library, see what song is playing, all from the iPod's screen so iTunes does not have to come to the front)--DOES NOT NEED NEW MODEL

90% of these suggestions are reasonable and should happen in the next 6 months, some MUCH faster (cough*iPod*cough)

-Paul

Edit: forgot displays and airport...

displays-cheaper
-widescreen 17" (pipe-dream)
-better DPI as you increase size...
-bundle promo permanent
-ability to connect to TiBook/iBook/iMac with some sort of adapter

Airport-cheaper
-standard on high end machine on every line
-basestation with dsl/cable router built in along with phone jack and 2(1) ethernet ports...
-faster, but backwards compatible
-USB printer sharing: make it a no-brainer

General comments-portables: longer batt life (use batt tech in iPod)
--illuminated keyboards??(maybe the white keys do this already)
-desktops:iSub/Pro speakers bundle
--5.1 option
-all:USB2 on machine, USB1 on keyboard/display
--FW2 standard
--better software bundes (apple works, office discount, vpc discount, "shareware money" (Apple pays for first $50 of shareware***THIS COULD BE HUGE FOR SMALL DEVELOPERS), others)

[ 02-06-2002: Message edited by: psantora ]</p>

[MacGregor]

I can't say I agree, but the 14" iBook maybe the choice of the aging generation. Don't trash the 14" iBook until the market has decided....who cares if the 12" one is better.

[Paul]

[quote]Originally posted by MacGregor:
<strong>I can't say I agree, but the 14" iBook maybe the choice of the aging generation. Don't trash the 14" iBook until the market has decided....who cares if the 12" one is better.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wasnt trashing it, i was just saying that the 12" should stay the standard... this is for many reasons... to differentiate between the TiBook, smaller=lighter=better. It looks better, any other reasons?