best band that should have been more popular but.....

[thegelding]

a variation of the other thread....i was thinking of great bands that either didn't catch on, die too soon or were ahead of their time....

The Gang of Four....should have blown up but didn't

these two did well, but should have been constant multi-million record sellers:
The Buzzcocks
The Ramones

Fun bands that faded away:
The Big Boys--texas punks
The Birthday Party--young nick cave

and what ever happened to The Comsat Angels??


g

[Artman @_@]

Iggy & the Stooges & Iggy Pop. Though inconsistent both incarnations could have had promise...well yeah, drugs have come into play...

I think the main reason of many good bands going unoticed have been because of the death of FM radio and MTV...

Gang of Four. Good choice. But look at the survival of the "white/punk/funk" Red Hot Chilli Peppers...one of those bands that really kind of had MTV as a lifeboat for them.

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[bunge]

Butthole Surfers. Best 80's band in my opinion. Probably would have been as popular as Nirvana got in the 90's if only their name hasn't been unspeakable, unmarketable and embarassing for the Tipper Gores of the world.

[pfflam]

[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:
<strong>a variation of the other thread....i was thinking of great bands that either didn't catch on, die too soon or were ahead of their time....

The Gang of Four....should have blown up but didn't

these two did well, but should have been constant multi-million record sellers:
The Buzzcocks
The Ramones

Fun bands that faded away:
The Big Boys--texas punks
The Birthday Party--young nick cave

and what ever happened to The Comsat Angels??


g</strong><hr></blockquote>
All those bands were great _(someone else who actually knows about the Birthday Part!?!?!?! I was their biggest fan!!)

but the thing is is that some of thse bands were actually very counter-cultural, not mainstreamable --Gang-of-Four, fer instance, was intelligently critiquing capitalism in almost every song
and the BParty was singing about murder and death and: "our lives are nothing but boxes full of dirt
I just want to die beneath her teats
I just want to make love to my zoo-music girl!!!"
the live version on an EP called 'Drunk On The Popes Blood"
I could not imagine NSYNC doing a copy of that song . . .


the Buzzcocks are actually still making music though except the quality has become seriously hit and miss

never heard o Comsat, or the Big Boys . . .

[superkarate monkeydeathcar]

stiff little fingers (rancid reminds me of the rigid digits)

the motors (heavy glossy power pop)

the stranglers (i think the were large in europe but never caught on in the u.s.)

gang of four (although you'd never know by all the gang of four fans in this forum)

22 brides (2 sisters that sound like a dark side of the bangles)

suicide (scary stuff, bruce's nebraska has a suicide feel)

splinter (a group beatle george produced who were good pop music)

mcguiness flint (the british "band") (meaning dylan's group)

[Alex London]

Wow I never thought I would see the name The Comsat Angels on this forum, they were great. John Peel (GOD) played them a lot in 1980 and because of the stuff I heard like Independence Day- " I can't relax 'cos I can't do a thing and I can't do a thing 'cos I can't relax' I went to see them support Captain Beefheart on his mad Ice Cream for Crow tour. I actually helped them get their gear into the gig and they let me hang out with them and chat, they were so friendly and great musicians also. Their career got stalled by being sued by the communication sattelite co. even though they'd nicked the name from a book. Their singer/guitarist Stephen Fellows has one of the best voices ever committed to tape and he is still going though his stuff is more ambienty than the Angels stuff. Great band.
I still hold a candle for Devo 1977- 1982. They should have been massive with their excess of ideas and riffs- way ahead of the game and outrageously good live.

[709]

Gang of Four, The Birthday Party, Stranglers...definitely.

Others I can think of:

Fadgadget (even Frank Tovey's post-Fad stuff was great).
The The
Thin White Rope
Tones On Tail (post-Bauhaus pre-Love & Rockets boys)
The Legendary Pink Dots (weird, but great none the less)
Alice Donut
Cop Shoot Cop (pre-Firewater...good stuff)

[edit]:spelling

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[kneelbeforezod]

Swell Maps - probably the best 70s art-punk band that nobody ever seems to mention anymore. Their Trip to Marineville LP from 1979 contains the blueprint for the first eight years of Sonic Youth's career and much of Pavement's early output...

The Fall - although I can't really imagine a world where the Fall could have been a genuinely popular band. Mark E Smith would have just gone on to do something that made everyone hate them if that'd happened.

The Minutemen - I guess they were pretty popular, but they deserve to be remembered for more than just the theme music to Jackass...


Trumans Water - probably the best 90s art-punk band that nobody ever seems to mention anymore. If you cloned Antennae Jimmy Semens (of the Magic Band) twice and raised the clones on a steady diet of Sonic Youth, Minor Threat, John Zorn, Sun Ra and Boredoms they might end up playing guitar like Trumans Water.

[Artman @_@]

[quote]Originally posted by kneelbeforezod:
<strong>The Minutemen - I guess they were pretty popular, but they deserve to be remembered for more than just the theme music to Jackass...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Absolutely, but the main reason they couldn't go on was because D. Boon died in a car accident. That didn't help. But I don't see why they could be held up in the same ranks as Nirvana...

JUST ANOTHER SOLDIER (boon)

Over 300 dead, we still got pride
We've lost all our morals,we still got pride
Should we fight this war in some far corner of the globe
And learn how to die for some unjust cause

Is this our future?
Ashes are all that remain
It's easy when you got pride

How much pride does a dead soldier got?
His life so short,no chance to even start

The ones he left behind
The world he'll never see
But no one could deny that the soldier died with pride

...sigh. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

[bunge]

HAMPTON GREASE BAND.

Second worst selling double LP ever (second only to a double Yoga LP.)

[kraig911]

The Jesus Lizard

[pfflam]

Wow . . . there are some obscure names bouncing around here . . . . its great!!


and: <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" />
I was going to ask if anybody had gotten the chance to see Captain Beefheart live . . .
I heard some live stuff from that era, Ice Cream For Crow, it didn't seem to have the same gonzo flow as stuff like Troutmask or Mirrorman . . . but you should tell me . . . how was the show?!?

[pfflam]

By the way, I went to the opening of a show of his, Don Van Vliet's, paintings at the Museum Of Modern Art in SF way back when . .
and he was there . .. hobbling around on a cane and keeping well to himself and away from anybody else

. . . . I like his paintings . . . and I do that 'art' stuff fer a living . . . if that means anything . . . <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

Also Martin Mull (Fernwood Tonight)is a good painter as well
but definitly, Sylvester Stalone's are Shiite

[thegelding]

beefheart is great...but was never never gonna be popular...loved clearspot, troutmask, spotlight kid....

loved the minutemen too, and husker du

but mission of burma was the best...great live too

too bad the guitarist lost his hearing from too many iggy pop concerts when he was young...

burma should have been huge....

shit...just posted this and thought i would google mission of burma and found they have re-united after 17 years!!! hope they come to the southwest...


oh, i also enjoyed flipper

<a href="http://www.here-now.org/topics/_arts/al_020225.asp" target="_blank">burma</a>

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[superkarate monkeydeathcar]

let it be noted that my signature is from trout mask replica.

i think "willie the pimp" with zappa on the hot rats (my fave zappa) album is very accessible, my kids like it anyway!

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[pfflam]

[quote]Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar:
<strong>let it be noted that my signature is from trout mask replica.

i think "willie the pimp" with zappa on the hot rats (my fave zappa) album is very accessible, my kids like it anyway!

[ 02-27-2003: Message edited by: superkarate monkeydeathcar ]</strong><hr></blockquote>You never caught the Maskara Snake post I made in another thread as a responce to your sig

[thegelding]

pfflam: a side note...check out this artist if you ever get the chance:

<a href="http://www.donaldrollerwilson.com/gallery.html" target="_blank">donald roller wilson</a>

and
<a href="http://www.chelagallery.org/performances/blaster.html" target="_blank">blaster al ackerman</a>

fun stuff for the soul

g

[ijerry]

Big Head Todd and the Monsters....

Rusted Root.....

only two off the top of my head....

[Mr. Macintosh]

The Verve

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[Mr. Macintosh]

[quote]Originally posted by Mr. Macintosh:
<strong>The Verve

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They did "Bittersweet Symphony" of course...a pretty mind blowing song.

[rok]

okay, this ain't gonna quite count, because they are insanely popular in texas and the u.s. south -- Cowboy Mouth, from New Orleans.

got a brief record deal with MCA, but it just never went anywhere. great live band, had some good singles, too. but never got radio play, except for Jenny Says in '97/'98 (a good song, but a very radio-unfriendly song to say the least). they're still together, and the members do the occassional solo gig too. you can check 'em out at <a href="http://www.cowboymouth.com" target="_blank">CowboyMouth.com</a> or <a href="http://www.mercyland.com" target="_blank">Mercyland.com (a solid fan site)</a>

another good band that i discovered when my wife and i moved up here to toronto was moxy früvous, a band of street performers originally who got a radio-friendly single released, and got notoriety from '92 to '98. imagine if barenaked ladies had become activists, and you get the idea. unfortunately, they have since gone on "indefinite hiatus," as the members have pursued their own individual interests, gotten dissillusioned with the pop scene, and their lead singer jian ghomeshi is so in love with hearing himself talk that he convinced the CBC up here in canada to give him a weekly bad talk show. ugh. at least their first and third albums are worth picking up -- Bargainville and You Will Go To The Moon. they have a fan-based website called <a href="http://www.fruvous.com" target="_blank">Früvous.com</a>, but it hasn't been updated in over a year since the band went their semi-separate ways.

[Haddock.]

The Black Crowes.

They never got the respect they deserve. This band was as close to perfection as a band can get; their albums, songs and performances can compete with all the greats.

[torifile]

[quote]Originally posted by Mr. Macintosh:
<strong>The Verve

[ 02-27-2003: Message edited by: Mr. Macintosh ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

True. But they went downhill from after the release of a storm in heaven (which is absolutely kickass). It's too bad because I really liked them...

[pfflam]

[quote]Originally posted by Haddock.:
<strong>The Black Crowes.

</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't mean to be mean, but they are just recycled Stones circa 1973, with a tad of Aerosmith and touch of (oh shiit, the name escapes me . . . you know, typical midwest pick-up drivin style metal band with bandanas and tatoos and pushed up sleeves and long hair . . . um, did 'sweet babe of mine'?!?!?!)
anyway . . .pretty much second order as far as I can tell

[tonton]

Can
Butthole Surfers
Brand New Heavies
Inspiral Carpets (should have been way bigger than Oasis).

[BuonRotto]

Pig
Killing Joke
Front Line Assembly

PS: Can kicks ass!

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[thegelding]

killing joke...hell yes...forgot that one...their self titled album is amazing....g

[burningwheel]

[quote]Originally posted by Haddock.:
<strong>The Black Crowes.

They never got the respect they deserve. This band was as close to perfection as a band can get; their albums, songs and performances can compete with all the greats.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:confused: they were pretty popular i thought

i vote for Echo and the Bunnymen

[trick fall]

It's always completely blown my mind that "Rockaway Beach" was not a number one single for at least ten weeks. I can't imagine a better pop song. I would also love to see the Fall have a hit. It was funny enough to see the video for "Victoria" on 120 Minutes back in the day.

[Scott]

Still The Clash ...

[applenut]

Pearl Jam


(ducks)

:p

[tonton]

Eels

[tonton]

Wall of Voodoo

[_ alliance _]

[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>
Front Line Assembly

</strong><hr></blockquote>


FLA=Delerium=Intermix=Synaesthesia=kickass. all the groups w/ leeb and fulber are insanely great. amazing that not many people down here in the south (people here have the worst taste in music, i swear...) know anything about these musical geniuses. amazing record after record they put out--talent that very few musicians can make claims to.
too bad they're no more...
oh well...
at least fulber's got conjure one going strong and leeb is still chugging along w/ delerium (although not quite the same anymore), but seperate they just don't have the same magic as they did together.

[jeffyboy]

Pulp-In the States anyway.

Disco 2000 is one of my favorite songs ever.

Jeff

[jeffyboy]

[quote]Originally posted by tonton:
<strong>
Inspiral Carpets (should have been way bigger than Oasis).</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've often wondered about them, because I know Noel Gallagher was their roadie. I love Oasis, Blur, Supergrass-do you suspect I would like them?

Jeff

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[Rick1138]

Patti Smith Group

[tonton]

[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>I've often wondered about them, because I know Noel Gallagher was their roadie. I love Oasis, Blur, Supergrass-do you suspect I would like them?

Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't much care for Oasis or Blur. I far prefer the darker sound of Suede to both.

But ironically, the Carpets, who I love, are a bit more "pop" than Blur, if you can believe it, but they've got a sound that just sticks with you, and a string of great songs. They have a great rolling organ sound (thanks to Clint Boon) that's rare in today's pop music. My favorites are "Generations" as a single and "The Beast Inside" as a record.

I met the band backstage when I saw them during the Goldfish tour and I have a fully signed copy of "Revenge of the Goldfish" complete with a drawing by Clint of the famous cow! And I've got a great promo item: a milk bottle that has the same cow on it and the words printed: "Cool as Milk".

They stirred controversy during their early days by selling tour t-shirts that said "Cool as F U C K" and then releasing an EP with that same title when they got flak for it.

But by all means get the greatest hits. You can't go wrong by them.

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[tonton]

Another incredible band that never really "made" it despite winning gaggles of fans:

The Beautiful South

My favorite LP from them: Miaow

Their lyrics are absolutely some of the best I've ever heard.

[alcimedes]

[quote]They did "Bittersweet Symphony" of course...a pretty mind blowing song.<hr></blockquote>

actually, IIRC they covered that for another group who wrote it, but didn't want to sing it. it was kind of an oddball one too, like Aerosmith or something.

anyway, best band that was never hugely popular?

NIN

other than closer they never really had a hit song, but every single (full) CD he's released has completely kicked ass.

[superkarate monkeydeathcar]

NINE INCH NAILS were hugely popular. HUGELY.
i ran 3 different record stores in the 90's, and from broken through downward spiral, they were huge! and not just the newest release but back catalog had tremendous sell-through.
i don't think they ever fell out of my top-ten sellers for 5 years, and this was in iowa.

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[bunge]

[quote]Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar:
<strong>NINE INCH NAILS were hugely popular. HUGELY.
i ran 3 different record stores in the 90's, and from broken through downward spiral, they were huge! and not just the newest release but back catalog had tremendous sell-through.
i don't think they ever fell out of my top-ten sellers for 5 years, and this was in iowa. </strong><hr></blockquote>

superkarate monkeydeathcar, PM me if you get a chance....

[stupider...likeafox]

[quote]Originally posted by alcimedes:
<strong>
actually, IIRC they covered that for another group who wrote it, but didn't want to sing it. it was kind of an oddball one too, like Aerosmith or something.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

The strings sample was an unauthorised lift from Andrew Loog Oldham's album of symphonic covers of Rolling Stones songs so he made most of the money off of that release.

Maybe that's what you are thinking of.

PS (for those who don't know) Oldham was the Stone's early manager and producer and, apparently, the person who inspired/created Mick's entire persona. I can recommend his biography Stoned to anyone interested in the band/the sixties/swinging london. Part two (called Stoned Again if I recall correctly) has recently been released.

[alcimedes]

stupider: yeah, turns out that's it. i didn't realize that they didn't get any money for Bittersweet Symphony though. that's just rough.

like that guy needs more money now.

as for NIN, were they really huge and i just missed it? the only CD that any of my friends own of theirs is The Downward Spiral, and that was just for Closer.

other than that they didn't seem to get much limelight around here. also, if you worked at a smaller record store, i would understand that. you probably carried cooler music (IMO) than places like Best Buy or Circuit City, so you'd get people with good taste coming through. i would guess that's not common though.

[thegelding]

i thought NIN was huge, but that may just be me....my daughters and i scream out the lyrics to head like a hole from pretty hate machine in the car all the time...my wife thinks we're crazy....g


head like a hole.
black as your soul.
i'd rather die
than give you control.

[trick fall]

NIN were huge here. Another band that should've had some pop hits is Prefab Sprout. Some really great songs.

[thegelding]

hot dog, jumping frog, albuquerque....

i loved prefab...but they were a bit too pop and british for the american public

i also love The Psychedelic Furs...

g

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Funkadelic.

In their original incarnation they had one of the best guitarists alive in Eddie Hazel, their keyboard player Bernie Worrell was a pioneer of electronic instruments and an arranger of genius, and their rhythm section wrote the book on funk-rock in 1969.

George Clinton's lyrics and aphorisms were spiritual, political and just plain nastay. This was the man who coined the phrase 'free your mind and your ass will follow', for goodness' sake. Big gospelised choirs, heavy funk, and an acre of Hendrix.

They did an album a year for 10 years at the same time as...

Parliament.

Who had the same musicians as Funkadelic but were signed to a different record label, and a completely different, less guitar-orientated sound, funky as HADES, equally as political and spiritual but with more emphasis on the nether regions. On the Mothership Connection tour, George Clinton would step out of a 'life-size' UFO that would fly onto the stage; it was supposed to be practically a religious experience.

I think that 'Maggot Brain', 'Funkadelic' and 'The Mothership Connection' are some of the best albums ever recorded, and that this group isn't in those Q Magazine Top Tens every time is frankly weird if you ask me.

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[thegelding]

you forget "Clones of Dr. Funkenstein"
....my personal favorite...for my wedding, my wife and i did our first dance to "I've Been Watching You (Move Your Sexy Body)"...dang, why she married me is still a mystery to me....looking back now i should have picked "Getten' to Know You " as it is so beautiful and sweet...but i was young and i like the sexy, nasty funk of "move your sexy body" better...good god, what were her parents thinking when we started slow dancing to that song :eek:

(it has the great line...."you would like you too, if you knew, the way you move your sexy body")

everybody go buy it today
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000001FUB/qid=1046455094/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-3761350-0447918?v=glance&s=music" target="_blank">here</a>

g

[thegelding]

the jam
albums include:

sound effects
all mod cons
setting sons
this is the modern world
the gift

any of these are wonderful

g

[Hassan i Sabbah]

[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:
<strong>you forget "Clones of Dr. Funkenstein"
....my personal favorite...for my wedding, my wife and i did our first dance to "I've Been Watching You (Move Your Sexy Body)"</strong><hr></blockquote>

This makes you one of the coolest people I have never met.

If I do this at my wedding, as I now intend, I'll know I actually made it as a cool human adult being.

You would like you too
If you knew!
The way you mooooo-oove
Your bod-eeee...

ooh! ooh! and

We are children of production
produced in conjunction
with the urgency of our Dr FUNKENSTEIN!

[thegelding]

you have my blessing....but throw in "gettin to know you" at the wedding too...it is much more romantic...."i've been watching you" is all about the sex...which is nice too...g

the bigger the headache
the bigger the pill
I am the Big Pill

[Artman @_@]

Bing! Forgot...

http://www.xtheband.com/images/circle.jpg

X Amazing live. Incredible musicians. Great singing duo. And great songwriting. But they hardly ever got the recognition they deserved. Yes, I saw the original band...'79-80...somewhere around there...god i'm old... <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />

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[Artman @_@]

[quote]Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah:
<strong>Funkadelic.
In their original incarnation they had one of the best guitarists alive in Eddie Hazel, their keyboard player Bernie Worrell was a pioneer of electronic instruments and an arranger of genius, and their rhythm section wrote the book on funk-rock in 1969...</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you like to hear some cool Bernie Worrell stuff get Further Network's OSX's P2P software and search for Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains! It's Bernie Worrell, Les Claypool and Buckethead jamming at last year's Bonnaroo Festival. Almost 2 hours of funky jamming goodness.

<a href="http://www.furthurnet.org" target="_blank">http://www.furthurnet.org</a>

...Hmmm, Primus...there's another one... <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />

[thegelding]

ok artman, one more story you old man...i saw X live and it was a really strange show...they were the opening act to the premiere of the movie "decline of the western civilization"...or some damn movie about the punk scene...it must have been about 1981 ish...i don't remember it well because i was sitting next to this biker guy who said, hey, you want a qualude? i said sure, chased it with a couple of beers and that was that...saw half of X and kept nodding in and out of the band and the movie...thankfully my friends took me home...i think the biker guy was dissappointed though...that could've been messy...just what i need for these boards would be a "waking up to biker rape" story...luckily thegelding doesn't have one of those to share....yet :eek:


g

billy zoom, john doe, Exene Cervenka...great names, even better music...john and exene's vocal were magical, billy's guitar was intense yet beautiful....g

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[709]

Speaking of great band member names...what about 'Lux Interior' & 'Poison Ivy Rorschach'? Another of the truly great bands that never got 'huge'. Heck, I've still got Psychedelic Jungle and Songs The Lord Taught Us within arms reach. Great stuff.

[BuonRotto]

[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
<strong>


FLA=Delerium=Intermix=Synaesthesia=kickass.

too bad they're no more...
oh well...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have good news for you. Leeb and Fulber are ganging up on the next (and the last) FLA album, and Rhys is helping with some tracks for the next Delerium CD with Bill too.

[pfflam]

[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:
<strong>..for my wedding, my wife and i did our first dance to "I've Been Watching You (Move Your Sexy Body)"...dang, why she married me is still a mystery to me....looking back now

everybody go buy it today
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000001FUB/qid=1046455094/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-3761350-0447918?v=glance&s=music" target="_blank">here</a>

g</strong><hr></blockquote>
The song that my wife and I danced to was Coltrane's Naima ...... now that is THE song!

X, I am jealous . . . . best part of that movie "Decline and Fall..." is the guy with an 'X' shaved ino his hair saying "uh...I'm an X head"

[Artman @_@]

[quote]Originally posted by 709:
<strong>Speaking of great band member names...what about 'Lux Interior' & 'Poison Ivy Rorschach'? Another of the truly great bands that never got 'huge'. Heck, I've still got Psychedelic Jungle and Songs The Lord Taught Us within arms reach. Great stuff.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah, The Cramps. Here I go again...in college I brought Psychedelic Jungle to parties and people would freak out when they heard it..."Who IS that!"...'The Cramps'...."Awesome!". Well, when they were to appear at Trenton City Gardens we collected enough money to rent a school bus, driver and 20 of us to ge see the show. Another legendary Artman experience....

Oh and G...I saw X at the Long March Jazz Academy...formerly an old bank building with a huge atrium/balcony around the stage...now called The Arts Bank right on Broad St. here in Philly. They were the only act as far as I remember....

Another band that I wish had had more recognition....Altered Images...I honestly don't believe they were a one hit (Happy Birthday) wonder. Not as creepy looking as Siousxie...but lyrically...and a cute singer to boot.

Another....Au Pairs...this can go on forever...millions of them!

And another thing to the younger set here. Try to find Decline of the Western Civilization (1 NOT 2). It really shows how these post-punk bands (Green Day, Blink 182, Papa Roach et al) are pussies compared to the Circle Jerks and Fear. And X's performance in it is one of the most incredible accounts of the emerging punk rock scene musically ever recorded.

/gets off his old school punk soapbox... <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />

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[Artman @_@]

...oh, and to all those Butthole Surfer, NIN and Ministry fans...check out Flipper, Chrome and Tuxedo Moon...nobody did it better....well maybe Pere Ubu or The Residents....Somebody stop me, I'm breaking out my URGH! A MUSIC WAR cassettes!

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[finboy]

[quote]Originally posted by pfflam:
<strong>
Don't mean to be mean, but they are just recycled Stones circa 1973, with a tad of Aerosmith and touch of (oh shiit, the name escapes me . . . you know, typical midwest pick-up drivin style metal band with bandanas and tatoos and pushed up sleeves and long hair . . . um, did 'sweet babe of mine'?!?!?!)
anyway . . .pretty much second order as far as I can tell</strong><hr></blockquote>

You mean "Guns and Roses"? Bon Jovi? I get the idea.

I agree that there was some recycling with The Crowes, but they also put a good spin to it. Same with Georgia Satellites and Dan Baird. Good writing. Good hooks. That Stones rehash sound isn't as easy to pull off as one would think.

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[pfflam]

[quote]Originally posted by Artman @_@:
<strong>...oh, and to all those Butthole Surfer, NIN and Ministry fans...check out Flipper, Chrome and Tuxedo Moon...nobody did it better....well maybe Pere Ubu or The Residents....Somebody stop me, I'm breaking out my URGH! A MUSIC WAR cassettes!

[ 03-01-2003: Message edited by: Artman @_@ ]</strong><hr></blockquote>I saw Flipper . . . it was a great show . . . and man, I was and am a HUGE fan of theirs

also Hose . .
"she's a super freak
. . take her to ya motha . .
Sper freaky car wash . . "

I also saw the Circle Jerks a buncha times

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[pfflam]

[quote]Originally posted by finboy:
<strong>

You mean "Guns and Roses"? Bon Jovi? I get the idea.

I agree that there was some recycling with The Crowes, but they also put a good spin to it. Same with Georgia Satellites and Dan Baird. Good writing. Good hooks. That Stones rehash sound isn't as easy to pull off as one would think.</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah maybe . . .but, in my mind, its not about the difficulty its about the sense of creativity that I get from the music

Difficulty would discount half the bands that I mentioned . . . except, with some of them (Hose, Flipper) its about how difficult it is to play so incompetently and yet still sound fresh


another band with lots of albums . . . (but a terrible live show) Sun City Girls . . .


oh yeah . . . it was "Guns and Roses"

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[I-bent-my-wookie]

PORKSWORD! They kicked ass. A great western-canadian band.

They were out of Estafan, Saskatchewan I believe. I think they only had the one album 'Agrinomicon'. Unbelievable prairie rock that is also downright hilarious. Every song is a twisted tail of small town canada.

The band is dissolved and the record company doesn't exist anymore so Im pretty sure its not illegal. You cant get this anywhere else and it is gold, gold, gold.

Featuring titles such as:
Man vs. Satan
Fun on a Stick
Donkey Stud
Strap On
Agrinomicon
RV Vacation
Monster Truck Jerk
Sterile Midget
Cow Slut
Chapter 13
You Eyesore
Medichair Run Amok
Punch Drunk
Stu's Farm
Love Song El Dante
Big Rig
Intercontinental Tractor Pull Champion (my personal fave)

This is not only hilarious, it is musically rock-solid rock! And the lyrics are extremely clever.

I haven't used iChat yet since I dont use AOL and dont have any close friends on .mac but cant you transfer files through it?
If you are interested email me at imcflyATmacDOT.com and I would gladly share this album. Its a little gem of Canadiana.

[thegelding]

dang...i forgot about the au pairs...nice band...thanks for reminding me artman

the gun club
the dream syndicate


graham parker should have been bigger

tom verlaine

husker du

the english beat


dang, gotta run the old turntable for a few hours tonight....

g

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[zKillah]

Swingle Singers :D

[pfflam]

I've been listening to Television lately . . . they're pretty hit and miss . . . . but still pretty good

The Dream Syndicate was great!!! for one album

just like RainParade . . . great for one album and half an EP then down hill way too fast after key members left

[dviant]

Heheh some good "undergound" bands mentioned here... Mission of Burma, 'Surfers, Minutemen, Cramps and Chrome!

Heh no one ever knows who Chrome is. Helios Creed and Damon Edge really had a pioneering sound way back then. So many effects and samples that seemed show the way of things to come. Later Damon Edge stuff kinda sucked but Helios remained interesting for a short time. Had a friend that played drums for them on some european tour. :)

Don't forget to add Wire and Band of Susans to the list above. :)

[BuonRotto]

Well, if NIN qualifies, then surely KMFDM, Skinny Puppy, Pop Will Eat Itself, Einsturzende Neubauten, and Throbbing Gristle should in here too!

[pfflam]

[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>Well, if NIN qualifies, then surely KMFDM, Skinny Puppy, Pop Will Eat Itself, Einsturzende Neubauten, and Throbbing Gristle should in here too!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Throbbing Gristle was all about stylish anti-style and psuedo-mystagogy . . . people liked them for their "extreme" attitudes, which I found pretty boring, seeing as the music itself was pretty bad . . . at least the avant-garde-ness of their schtick was kinda interesting . . . for a minute . . . but they quiclky became a cult of personality around their vague ideas about energies, transgression and W. Burroughs . . . .

[BuonRotto]

I just liked the name. :p