When And What Future Computer Will You Buy? [Archive]

Whisper

11-15-2001, 01:58 PM

I'm running 10.1 on a PowerCenter Pro. I'm thinking that it might not be too long before I *have* to get a new mac 'cause mine won't run the software I need. Do you have any idea how painfully slow the JBuilder beta is on my comp? (I guess that's what I get for running it on a system that doesn't meet any of the system reqs :) ). I'm probably going to get either a G5 or whatever is current when my comp doesn't meet my needs, whichever comes first (really hoping for the G5 :) ).

hmurchison

11-15-2001, 02:00 PM

For me I'll need to see a current motherboard with DDR memory and Apollo G4's. G5 would be nice but I'd take a G4+ with a nice LCD and a GeForce 3 Ti.

Logan Cale

11-15-2001, 02:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Whisper:
I'm running 10.1 on a PowerCenter Pro.<hr></blockquote>

OUCH! :eek:

That thing is slow running 9.1, I can only imagine how painful it is in 10. :p

[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: MacAgent ]

gumby5647

11-15-2001, 02:15 PM

im kinda giving up on the hope that someone wants to trade an old iBook for my iMac. So I guess ill just hold on to it and save my pennies and get a TiBook when I save up enough.

Pegges

11-15-2001, 02:17 PM

Although it's a bit silly to constantly wait out imaginary models, I will probably wait for the G5, or at least a DDR memory capable mobo with a faster G4 cpu than the current crop. I do plan to get a new comp late winter/early spring at any rate, so I have my hopes high on an exciting product announcement come MWSF.

KidRed

11-15-2001, 02:42 PM

Yep, I'm waiting to get the next top of the line machine with the cinema display, but i will wait until they speed up the memory and system bus. So if Apollo debuts in jan with faster memory and bus, I'll get it. If not, then I'll wait for the G5.

Scott_H

11-15-2001, 03:41 PM

I hate to say it but the next one I buy may be a Linux box. I'm still rather POed that Apple dropped support for the tray loading iMac in OS X. Apple's Iron Curtain policy of not telling people WTF is going on and what type of support to expect is very annoying. At least with Linux you know what you get.

EmAn

11-15-2001, 03:42 PM

Since I just got my iBook in June I probably won't be getting a new computer for at least 2 years. By then I'll probably get a G5 tower or a PowerBook G5 unless the consumer offerings are very good.

11-15-2001, 03:47 PM

I'm waiting for the next top of the line machine to at least have DDR RAM and dual g4's at 1ghz. I'm really hoping for a G5 in jan. since most my work has been increasingly dependant on MAYA for both video and shockwave3D. Still waiting for that shockwave exporter though. As much as I want a G5, I'm not sure I can wait too long before I buy a new machine.

TigerWoods99

11-15-2001, 04:06 PM

Well my plan is if the G5 comes out at MWSF, I'm going to get the low-end (probably all I'll be able to get) for my computer at college. I will wait if it's just Apollo G4s probably, although I'm in big need of an upgrade right now. Also if I get a G5 I will max out the RAM and if the DVD-RW drive isn't on it I will try and find one cheap to put in. I will also look for some good audio stuff to pimp it out with. The ViewSonic 17" monitor will do until I get a sweet Sony FD Trinitron monitor later on, or maybe even LCD.

stepson

11-15-2001, 04:21 PM

You know, we are going to be so disappointed if Steve doesn't give us a new G5 :) . Remember when we wanted the G5 and we got the quicksilvers? Remember when we all (or most) thought the iPod was going to be this ... well, super duper insanely great magic box that could do anything, and cost $17.99, but instead we got the neat little iPod? I'm not getting my hopes up ... but i did tell my girlfriend "If a G5 mac comes out in january, i'm getting one" to which she replied "What about the 5 computers you have in the closet you don't use?". I was hurt!

Whisper

11-15-2001, 04:23 PM

[quote]Originally posted by MacAgent:


OUCH! :eek:

That thing is slow running 9.1, I can only imagine how painful it is in 10. :p

[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: MacAgent ]<hr></blockquote>

10.0.x was incredibly slow, but 10.1.x isn't too horribly bad. I only really notice it when I'm running java stuff, or when IE starts misbehaving. But right now I need to use JBuilder for school, so I notice it a lot. Of course, when I first used the G4s at school, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven :)

gordy

11-15-2001, 04:46 PM

I typically buy a new Mac every 2 years, alternating between desktop and laptops. I bought my iBook a few months ago. However, I'm really anxious to start on DVD's, so I may buy a G4/5 in the next 12 months.

KD5MDK

11-15-2001, 04:48 PM

Well, I got a Powerbook G4 500 this summer. So I can't really justify or afford a new Mac.

If I get an income I'll probably build a PC next semester, and perhaps get a G5 a year and a half from now.

macaddict

11-15-2001, 04:49 PM

I imagine you have a G3 upgrade card, of course?

I don't plan on getting a new Mac in the forseeable future. If I got a new computer I'd be building an AMD box. What I really want is a new graphics card, but the only one that will work in my computer is the Radeon 32MB it seems...a pathetic option.

Blizaine

11-15-2001, 04:55 PM

I've planned on getting a tower after the MW in Jan for over a year now.... I hope that the G5 is out but I will get one anyway.

I even set up a savings account for it ;)

Later,
Bliz

<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <-- not sure why I put that there.

save ferris

11-15-2001, 04:55 PM

I've been using my iBook as my sole computer for a year now, and I desperately would like a new computer with a large and high quality monitor... right now, that rules out the iMac... I'd like to get a 17 inch Studio Display and a mid-power tower of some sort... I would buy a Cube, if they were still manufactured... I'm hoping for a good excuse to blow some cash in the spring...

I use my Mac for Word, a bit of Excel, Quicken, and surfing the net. It's getting harder and harder to not look at those $899 Dells that, with a few upgrades, would still be under $1200... but I'm a Mac user since the original 128K model... there are so many intangible pleasures that come from the Mac platform/OS... I suppose I'll be a Mac user forever.

save ferris

11-15-2001, 04:57 PM

Scooterboy

11-15-2001, 05:00 PM

For me, I'm a waiting for whatever the top of the line Powerbook will be, as long as it will be the kick ass notebook we expect Apple to build. I expect it to be industry leading in 2D/3Dgraphics (meaning better video chipsets than in comparable PC laptops), sound, processing power, and at least as high resolution screen as the best of the wintel offerings. The current TiBook fulfils almost all of these, but I'm more than happy with my new iBook for now. I'll see how the PowerBook stacks up in 12 or 16 months.

Edit: Oh, and of course DVI out so I can buy a big, skinny Apple display to go with it!

[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: Caoimhín ]

Ifok5

11-15-2001, 05:04 PM

When I can get a Quad G5 for less than $4,000 I will buy...

CapnPyro

11-15-2001, 05:04 PM

I have an original G4 450 thats a little over 2 years old and the thing is still running great. Runs 10.1 like a champ and still crunchs through photoshop and other programs fine. I'm thinking I'll get a new one next year around July or so, hopefully theyre up to Rev. 2 of the G5 tower.

Addison

11-15-2001, 05:14 PM

Well I will re-kit my whole office with LCD iMacs if the screen is 15" or larger.

I will buy a new powermac with superdrive when they have DDR and a jump in processing power and I don't mean 1ghz.

I am convinced we will see a leap in power in 2002. Faster memory, system bus speeds, ATA and possible G5 in the next 12 months. If I buy now I am sure I will regret it. I want this machine for rendering and I will wait for some decent speed. I know that the speed by historical standards is already amazing, however the possibility of a 200-400 percent reduction in rendering times is something I can wait for.

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

Max8319

11-15-2001, 06:17 PM

i'm waiting for a G5....

i got a pismo that's still kicking ass. when a
G5 comes out, i'll keep the pismo for portable uses i have......

oh yeah, and i'm really trying to save up for a cinema display

ATTN AT APPLE: YOU GOT NEARLY $6000 COMING YOUR WAY WHEN YOU BRING OUT A SATISFACTORY (ATLELAST 1.2GHZ) G5 TOWER. A DUAL WOULD BE NICE.

SO HURRY UP!

cdhostage

11-15-2001, 06:22 PM

My next computer will be the marked-down QuickSilver G4 or its immediate successor, when Apple releases the G5. I don't need to pay $3000 for the latest hardware when I can get yesterday's hardware (fully functional and useful, mind you) for $1000.

SDW2001

11-15-2001, 06:50 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Ifok5:
When I can get a Quad G5 for less than $4,000 I will buy...<hr></blockquote>

I assume that was a dig at those of us who made a comment about reasonable prices for the hardware we want. i didn't read anything too far out there like "I want a G5 with a cinema display for $999".

or were you for real?

By the way, JW Pepper I am a music teacher. Small World.

beer

11-15-2001, 06:56 PM

As soon as they offer a dual 1GHz G4 with DDR, I'll snap one up. I'm hoping for MWSF.

Amorph

11-15-2001, 07:37 PM

I intend to wring several years of service out of my Cube.

I might get a laptop to go with it, but there are more urgent things demanding my wallet's attention for quite a while yet. Maybe a year from now I'll look at whatever the iBook has become and get that. It'll probably be more powerful than my Cube, but that's technology...

BRussell

11-15-2001, 07:44 PM

I was on the verge of getting the recent TiBook 667 (paid by work), but decided I could wait. I'll get the next revision PowerBook, hopefully Apollo-based, hopefully not too long from now (Spring?).

G5_guy

11-15-2001, 07:57 PM

When Apple releases a
-G5 at 1.5 or greater Ghz
-A system bus that is over 200 Mhz (and double pumped)
-a 19 in. moniter
-a two button mouse
-a superdrive with faster read/write/ speeds
-at least 2 full drive bays
-a Geforce3
-HyperTransport/RapidIO or some new motherboard design
-USB 2
-Firewire 2
-a AGP 6x (or whatever the next step up is)
-5 PCI slots at 66mhz
-ATA 133

I will by it whatever it costs (within reason)

applenut

11-15-2001, 08:09 PM

when apple releases a half decent desktop with a somewhat competitive price

jeffyboy

11-16-2001, 01:09 AM

I'll be first in line for a G4 iMac with a Superdrive-luckily, I'm the patient type!
:)

Jeff

thentro

11-16-2001, 01:40 AM

I got the G4 450 (i ordered a 500 but then apple relized they didnt have any) when it first came out. I plan to go in on a G5 the same way

wormboy

11-16-2001, 02:14 AM

As hard as it will be, I can't recommend jumping in with the rev 1 of any Apple product. I have a rev 1 B&W G3. Its great but it's hamstrung in several serious ways compared to the Rev2. It's always like that with Apple.

I'll buy a Rev 2 G5. I'm guessing Jan 2003.

Apollo This jan
G5 Rev 1 MWNY
G5 Rev 2 SF2003

Retrograde

11-16-2001, 05:44 AM

Because of an offer I cannot refuse I will be using an iBook 500 combo next: something that I am looking forward to greatly :)

But after having used a desktop machine for some time now, in conjunction with an old Powerbook, I think it will be a long time before I return to the desktop market. I just do not feel as comfortable working on a desktop machine as I do on a portable. If I was a serious poweruser I might feel differently, but I'm not and so find comfort takes priority over speed.

neutrino23

11-16-2001, 06:17 AM

In August I just bought an 867 QuickSilver with a Cinema Display :cool: so I am set there. This combination running OS X 10.1.1 is so great. It will be several years before I need to upgrade this.

On the other hand, possibly next spring I will trade in my Pismo 500 for an iBook, assuming Apple comes out with a faster, lighter version.

PS: I doubt the G5 will come out at MWSF. It seems too soon. Even if the rumors at MOSR are correct I think it will take till next summer to finish the engineering and testing. Look for a speed bumped G4 at MWSF.

SDW2001

11-16-2001, 09:17 AM

Well, I need a desktop in the spring. I'll have to see....as I said if the dual G4 1ghz shows up for under $3K, then I may go for it. After all I will have to be able to pay extra for the airport card (and one for my Pismo to use the desktop as a software base station). Not to mention laying out 799 to 999 for a decent flatscreen.

This brings us to like $4K. That is a lot.....

bradbower

11-16-2001, 10:14 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
I hate to say it but the next one I buy may be a Linux box. I'm still rather POed that Apple dropped support for the tray loading iMac in OS X. Apple's Iron Curtain policy of not telling people WTF is going on and what type of support to expect is very annoying. At least with Linux you know what you get.<hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

WTF are you talking about? It's running great on my Rev. A and C iMacs. They work in their entirety, as well as all of my peripherals (I was never expecting as much). Exactly what kind of problems are you having? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Scott_H

11-16-2001, 12:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by bradbower:


<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

WTF are you talking about? It's running great on my Rev. A and C iMacs. They work in their entirety, as well as all of my peripherals (I was never expecting as much). Exactly what kind of problems are you having? :confused: <hr></blockquote>

Read here.
<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000019" target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000019</a>

There's no problems per se. But OS X is not meant for our machine. Apple still does not have real video card drivers for it. That alone tells me that the don't care to support the system. Notice how the only supported hardware is what was currently shipping when OS X shipped. Everything else was forgotten.

Fact is Apple blew off the older hardware. They claim it's supported but it is not.

Here's another example. DVD playback for non agp systems. Where is it? Coming soon? Don't count on it.

Aphelion

11-16-2001, 01:02 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
I intend to wring several years of service out of my Cube.

I might get a laptop to go with it, but there are more urgent things demanding my wallet's attention for quite a while yet. Maybe a year from now I'll look at whatever the iBook has become and get that. It'll probably be more powerful than my Cube, but that's technology...<hr></blockquote>

My plan exactly. My Cube is serving me well now as my desktop, but I bought it with the idea of retiring it to file server / broadband firewall role once I get my TiBook. I'd like to get dual 7410's with it but would go with a 1GHz single, and will probably wait until those specs are reached.

G5 sounds great, it will pump my AAPL stock up in a major way. I'd love to see it @ MWSF but not holding my breath. DDR RAM better be there though, or Apple might as well just sell portables.
My fondest wish for "One More Thing" would be a TiVo licensed PVR, Airport capable, Firewire controlled Multimedia Digital Hub. SuperDrive optional.

spooky

11-16-2001, 03:37 PM

When Apple releases:

- A dual 2GHZ G5 with Altivec II
- DDR RAM (and no 1.5GB Limit)
- A Superdrive
- A Wildcat II thrashing graphics architecture
- Firewire II
- faster internal HDs
- Faster system Bus
- More cache
- A version of OS X that does what we were always told it would do for us and at the performance we've been waiting for - with no kernel panics
- 19" LCDs
- 10/100/1000 Ethernet
- Airport running at 50Mbs

In other words what a mac used to feel like and what PC users enjoy - at least from what I saw at the Digital Media Show in London yesterday

. . . oh damn, I've woken up

Belle

11-16-2001, 03:58 PM

I was almost tempted by the new PowerBooks, but they don't offer enough to upgrade quite yet.

Once they get a combo drive, brighter higher res. display, and Final Cut Pro is available for OS X, I'll upgrade.

Of course I'd love a SuperDrive in my PowerBook, and some way to connect Apple's own displays, but I'm guessing that's not going to happen.

Matsu

11-16-2001, 04:21 PM

I have a few simple criteria for my next comp:

1) Laptop.
2) Macintosh
3) approx G4 867 level processor performance
4) consumer level price (or, at any rate, Apple's interpretation of such)

Obviouly that rules out any of Apple's current offerings. As much as I like the iBook and TiBooks, they aren't the real OSX machines. The only machines that run OSX *very* (and therefore acceptably) quickly are the towers. However, with Sahara and Apollo on deck for 2002, tower-like performance may soon be coming to the 'books'.

When I can test a machine that ships with OSX as the default -- running Office, and a full suite of Adobe and Corel -- with nary a bounce in sight... At that point I'm sold. So, for an ibook that takes me to summer '02, or perhaps, should I spring for a low end tiBook, spring '02.

I'm waiting for a machine that can be my sole machine (for OSX and the major apps) for at least 4 years. Untill then my lowly PC sees continually less use, whilst the mac lab -- where, incedently, I'm being spoiled by DP533s and SP733s -- sees progressively more. I guess that is (combined with some major impending PPC advances) why I'm going to insist my laptop show about that level of performance.

rok

11-16-2001, 04:25 PM

i have finally settled into my own pseudo-lease program, where i will trade-in/sell my imac dv se 400 graphite in december, and then use the money i get from that towards the purchase of whatever consumer machine is available at macworld sf 2002.

i can do this because i still have a pismo 500 in the house, too, so i can use that while my consumer desktop is in limbo (and in case steve does a "here's the new wide-screen g4 imac! isn't it cool?!? it'll be available in march..").

that way i stay current on the consumer side (which is all i need), without having to pay full-price.

well, that's the plan, anyway. it's also predicated on the assumption that the imac will have a g4 of some sort in it come january (which is all i want now... the wide-screen would just be really cool...)

p.s. matsu, 4 years is pushing it for ANY model these days. considering the fact that 4 years ago was pre-g3 days of apple -- PowerMac 9600, PowerMac 8600, PowerMac 7300, PowerMac 5500, PowerMac 6500, et al. good computers to be sure, but they won't exactly run photoshop 6 or illustrator 9 (currently shipping major apps) or os x without upgrades and heavy tweaking.

it has been my experience that you can eek out 2 to 2.5 years of heavy-duty professional work out of computers before having to upgrade SOMEthing... whether that be hard drive, video card, processor, ram... whatever.

[edit] hmmm... a brief review of my apple history does show the first 233 beige g3's hit the market in 1997 as well, which are still serviceable, and supposedly supported for os x (though i have heard nothing but bad news on macfixit forums). so maybe you can get 4 years out of the machines. 'course, the g4's got stuck for the better part of a year within shouting distance of 450 mhz, so that time frame may be a bit warped. i'm sure steve will be whipping away on motorola to get those processors faster sooner going forward...

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Matsu

11-16-2001, 04:44 PM

I meant the apps currently shipping when I pick up the machine, and whatever comes out within about a 12 month period from that point. I think an old version of photoshop can be just as useful as a new one, so when I get a machine I'll stick to the versions that run 'clean' and 'fast.' Newer versions will almost always do things a little better, but when they start to tax the hardware you lose a lot of your gains right there. I know people who use older versions of photoshop, Quark, and a multitude of plugins for professional work. Old software can be a great thing for an older machine. Also, one of my reasons for wanting to switch to Apple, with the way Apple is embracing open standards (ie PDF, unix) sharing files between older and newer versions of sofware ought to be easier when the time comes.

NukemHill

11-16-2001, 05:14 PM

Yeah, wouldn't the G5 be nice.... <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

We are planning on buying a mac in the first half of '02. If the G5 is out, then we will go with that. If not, then a hi-end G4 machine, so my wife can do her Illustrator stuff on it. She's been making do with a POS win98 box (sorry for writing that here; feels sacreligious!), and it's been killing her. She can't wait until we have a real machine! :cool:

MarcUK

11-16-2001, 08:32 PM

My next 'puter will be around MW2002, and at that time I will see waht Apple have to offer against the competition, you see I am into 3d rendering, and while I agree Macs are superior in almost every application, I have to say that the suck at 3d. For instance I have just seen a benchmark of a dual Athlon 1800XP (in the very Application I use every day) that is exactly 7x better than my G4 400, and still 2.5x better than Apples Dual800.

If the highend G5 comes within 10-20% of the score and price of whatever Dual Athlon system is available at the time (probably dual XP2600) I'll bite, If not Ill be a PC user by this time next year, with fond memories of the Apple platform.

Im really hoping those SPECmarks were right on theregister.co.uk, as I would love to stay Apple, but It is wasting me time&money.

HOPE YOU'RE LISTENING APPLE!

Matsu

11-16-2001, 10:53 PM

Is there no way to set-up a dual athlon linux box as a render farm? I've heard that the major apps support this, and that if you're crunching big files it saves quite a bit of time. You could do that (if possible) and just upgrade your current proc if/when some apollo g4s become available. bonus is you keep your investment in mac software, and a platform that you know and enjoy.

Someone who knows better than me please chime in.

TigerWoods99

11-16-2001, 11:16 PM

Yeah, what happened to the days where paying more for Macs actually meant that you were getting a computer that was a much better performer than any PC. Heck, I'd pay a premium for a Mac even if was on par. We just want something competitive Apple.

haunebu

11-17-2001, 03:10 AM

That's what I was about to ask: When did Apple drop support for the tray-loading iMacs?? So many people bought those (and G3 desktops) on the premise that they were OS X-ready I don't think they ever could.

Edit: Whoops, nevermind. I read the other thread and see the error of my assumption. Carry on.

[ 11-17-2001: Message edited by: haunebu ]

groverat

11-17-2001, 03:36 AM

Ah the next computer purchase...

Being a broke-ass student my purchase will depend on my financial status after graduation. The Duronite will simply have to last until I finish school and start a job. If the job is good I will have whatever PowerMac is floating around at the time. If not so good then maybe iMac (or whatever equivalent) or build another PC.

A brand new PowerMac would be the dream, though.

Sinewave

11-17-2001, 03:59 AM

Depends on the Choices I have around next summer. It will either be a (revB) G5 or a PC box with a warezed copy of XP. Being that I can customize my own GUI in XP and I don't have to run the ugly old Windows GUI that I hate is a big plus. I'll more than likely get the G5.. but MS did a smart thing in letting you customize XP's GUI.

jwdawso

11-17-2001, 07:42 AM

My last Mac purchase was an iMac DV SE with Airport/ABS - and it JUST WORKS (OS 10.1.1, but I wish Apple had better support for my iSub...)! I've done various upgrades to my other Mac's - processors, video cards, hard drives - but now I've stopped the upgrade urge (I SWEAR!) and will buy whatever Apple has this spring. What I want is a superdrive and the power to render "quickly". My dissatisfaction with my iMac is that I have to let it render/convert overnight for some projects, which limits my experimentation and strive for perfection (or at least adequacy)!

However, I'm expecting (dual) 1GHz+ processors as a choice. Anything less will be somewhat of a disappointment, particularly considering the $3k it will cost.

SDW2001

11-17-2001, 10:30 AM

If Apple doesn't release the G5 at MWSF I have to confess I don't really know what I am going to do. I am not going to buy a G4 if I KNOW the G5 is 6 months away...

Basically what I am asking/saying is: If not MWSF or Tokyo, then can we bet on MWNY???

wormboy

11-17-2001, 10:46 AM

I would think that MWNY would be reasonable, both in terms of marketing acpectations (that's when the OS X clock strikes twelve) and in terms of chip rollout (based on statements of THT, motoman and others who actually know about this stuff).

I think that there will be a lot of bitter people here after MWSF. The G5 simply isn't ready (or at least there is no evidence that it will be ready--which I know is not the same thing.) We also know that Apollo was rumored to be in PowerMacs at some point, so I expect the G4+ (Apollo or whatever) with some motherboard improvements at MWSF. I expect MWNY will see the rev 1 G5, with a second revision around a year from now.

These are not popular opinions. I know we would all love to see the G5 rollout in 7 weeks, but I don't think it will happen.

KidRed

11-17-2001, 01:46 PM

See, that's what I can't see happening. Apple releasing a new G4 with a new chip at faster speeds and then 6 months later releasing a new G5 with new chip at faster speeds.

I gotta believe if the Apollo comes out, it will be a while before the G5 comes, hell, they might as well call the Apollo the G5 so they can release in Jan and make everyone happy.

gumby5647

11-17-2001, 01:55 PM

supposedly they are going to keep the G4 in two of the models. and the G5 in the top three..

why not just have the G4 towers replace the cubes sqaure and sell them to hobbyiest and semi-pro and gamers?

933 G4 1,499.99
1Ghz G4 1,699.00

or something like that?

Kioskmovie.com

11-17-2001, 02:45 PM

A G5 PowerMac at least 5 times faster than my G4 400 at encoding Sorenson 3 movies, with SuperDrive, but not more expensive as 867 MHz G4 today...
Maybe a rack server, it would be great (as no hosting service accept towers anymore) but I don't think Apple will ever do this...

sizzle chest

11-17-2001, 03:36 PM

I was gonna wait until the next-gen Powerbook, but a co-worker wants to buy my iBook for his wife for Christmas, so I'm going to sell it to him and get a current Ti 667 right now. Of course, that's not a future computer...

Sol I guess my next FUTURE computer will be a G5 with Superdrive and a cinema display, in about a year.

rambo47

11-17-2001, 04:38 PM

While my PowerBook armada is up to date (iBook 500 MHz and Ti Book 667 MHz) my desktop unit is a B&W unit. I upgraded the processor with a Sonnet Encore G4 500 MHz right after MWNY this summer and it does quite well with the tasks I throw at it.

None of the new models offered me quite enough to justify the upgrade, based on my modest needs. The G5's are gonna change that for me, though. Hopefully a dual processor G5 tower and Cinema Display will grace my desk come next MacWorld.

Cosmo

11-17-2001, 05:20 PM

I will be using my Rev D iMac until September 2003, when i go to school and get a portable.

I will get whatever portable apple is offering at that time...most likely a g4 iBook or g5 PB. Basically i will get whatever portable comes out at MWNY 2003 (assuming they release a portable there)

Matsu

11-17-2001, 07:34 PM

Actually, releasing the Apollo in the PowerMac line-up only to have it replaced 6 months later does make sense. Especially when you consider that the G5 is likely 'Not Ready Yet.' Might as well start fabing those Apollos, they're going to need them for the next 2 years to serve in the powerbooks, and probably also in the consumer line-up. Better iron out those production lines with a lower volume product (the towers) because if/when G5 arrives, they're still going to need a ton of Apollos for everything else.

SDW2001

11-18-2001, 08:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
Actually, releasing the Apollo in the PowerMac line-up only to have it replaced 6 months later does make sense. Especially when you consider that the G5 is likely 'Not Ready Yet.' Might as well start fabing those Apollos, they're going to need them for the next 2 years to serve in the powerbooks, and probably also in the consumer line-up. Better iron out those production lines with a lower volume product (the towers) because if/when G5 arrives, they're still going to need a ton of Apollos for everything else.<hr></blockquote>

Not sure I buy that. The regular Apollo isn't suitable for a 'book, is it? I thought it was a special version they were using. If not, then what you say is plausible.

I still think the most likely scenario is a G5, with some leftover G4's on the ticket as well.

MarcUK

11-18-2001, 10:34 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
Actually, releasing the Apollo in the PowerMac line-up only to have it replaced 6 months later does make sense. Especially when you consider that the G5 is likely 'Not Ready Yet.' Might as well start fabing those Apollos, they're going to need them for the next 2 years to serve in the powerbooks, and probably also in the consumer line-up. Better iron out those production lines with a lower volume product (the towers) because if/when G5 arrives, they're still going to need a ton of Apollos for everything else.<hr></blockquote>

Well It would make sense if the >1GHZ G4's were all you had available at the time of MWSF, its either that or no upgrade?

Morte

11-19-2001, 11:28 AM

I'm beginning to get the feeling that I'll stick with Apple for portables, and x86 for desktops and workstations. My next desktop will be a home brewed Athlon XP system with disgusting amounts of DDR RAM and nForce and Radeon 8500 goodness. The desktop after that will likely be a dual Clawhammer.

On the other hand, when I look to upgrade my Pismo, I'll go for a PB G4 or G5, whatever is available at the time. However, that probably won't be for a few years down the road.

Apple is second to none in the portable market, but their workstations leave much to be desired.

Pegges

11-19-2001, 01:33 PM

Holy cow!

I've just installed OS X Server 10.1 on a 733/60/1.2 quicksilver server machine at work. Is this thing fast or what? Aqua is perfectly usable and enjoyable, feels much faster at everything than OS 9 on my Pismo/400 (go figure!). Compared to my 350 Yikes! at home this is a dream. Of course, I'm sure the 1.2 GB of RAM doesn't hurt either...

Falcon

11-19-2001, 09:05 PM

What: Tibook

When: Collage

Assuming there is a Tibook as we know it when I leave for collage.

Kecksy

11-19-2001, 10:29 PM

I was a long time Mac user until last winter. I needed a new computer and decided to switch to Windows. I decided fast, cheap hardware was more important to me than software, and my year old PC is still quicker than most Macs. I did recently brake down and purchase a copy OS 10.1 for my old G4. I might as well throw my PC away. I can't go back. OS X is just a joy to use. I could care less now about hardware performance. I want a TiBook!

Think I'll wait for the 1GHz models to arrive this summer however. I'm not rich. I'll let Apple play catch up, and purchase a machine with OS 10.5 preloaded. Wow! If it is as superior to 10.1 as 10.1 is to 10.0, I will cry. Okay, I've ranted enough.

SDW2001

11-20-2001, 05:21 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Falcon:
What: Tibook

When: Collage

Assuming there is a Tibook as we know it when I leave for collage.<hr></blockquote>

Before you go you might want to learn how to spell C-O-L-L-E-G-E.

No soup for you!

sorry man I couldn't resist.

KidRed

11-20-2001, 06:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:


Before you go you might want to learn how to spell C-O-L-L-E-G-E.

No soup for you!

sorry man I couldn't resist.<hr></blockquote>

Maybe it's a community college :)

Powerdoc

11-21-2001, 01:07 PM

I will buy a PC for my kids (6 years for the elder), even if i hate Windows, i think that the PC is the best buy for games.

Warning : i a m not a pc moron, because me and my wife own 6 Macs. But i am sick of the high prize of the macs. If i use for my jobs : no discussion i will buy macs, because i know how to use it without any big problems. But with 1000 $ you can have a very good PC for games and educational soft. Futhermore some softs are only avalaible for PC, some of them interest me.

Aries 1B

11-27-2001, 11:00 PM

My next computer is going to be a Tablet.

I've waited for Apple longthehell enough. Whoever gets to market first (Apple or Windows) wins.

I'm tired of my infernal, graffitti oriented, little Palm III. In a meeting two weeks ago, I watched someone hook their iPaq to a digital projector and run a slide show from their iPaq. iPaq has a 206Mhz StrongArm Microprocessor, connectivity all over the place, native connectivity with Office apps vs. the Palm OS and "Documents to Go" (DTG: whoopee. Hey, Palm, no OS X connectivity! No, I will not go through classic to hotsync; it's nearly 2002, we shouldn't have to do that). The iPaq has about 90% of all the features that the Newton/PDA fans among us on these boards have hashed around for MORE THAN TWO YEARS.

I need a Tablet and I need a PDA that both integrate with my desktop operating system. You say that there's no market for them, I'll point you to Microsoft's Tablet page. They're going for it and they'll make a ton of money. Apple could have gone for it, but hasn't. If Apple can't come up with a portable suite -a PDA and a Tablet- (because Steve Jobs hates Scully, or he hates 'the internet junior experience' or he suffers from carbohydrate induced insulin rages or whatever), then their marketshare shrinks by one.

I've well and truly had it and thanks for listening.

Thriving in Heresy,
Aries 1B

KidRed

11-27-2001, 11:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:
I will buy a PC for my kids (6 years for the elder), even if i hate Windows, i think that the PC is the best buy for games.

Warning : i a m not a pc moron, because me and my wife own 6 Macs. But i am sick of the high prize of the macs. If i use for my jobs : no discussion i will buy macs, because i know how to use it without any big problems. But with 1000 $ you can have a very good PC for games and educational soft. Futhermore some softs are only avalaible for PC, some of them interest me.<hr></blockquote>

*ahem* ....Virtual PC

Amorph

11-27-2001, 11:20 PM

VPC is great for everything except games - well, it can handle games that don't require any graphic acceleration.

It can't take advantage of the onboard video card except for the most minimal functionality.

Aries 1B

11-27-2001, 11:24 PM

Lookit this:

<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/tabletpc/default.asp" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/tabletpc/default.asp</a>

I'm fully aware that I'd be reinstalling systems, crashing here and there, etc. But I'll be doing it on a tablet and with a leading edge (ignoring the Newton) PDA .

Damn, but I've had it.
Aries 1B

PS: Look at these too. You'll see some old friends (that some of you Photoshop jocks may recognize):
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/fallcomdex01/gallery.asp]http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/fallcomdex01/gallery.asp[/ URL]

To be optimistic, maybe we'll get this:
<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=545b778a95fe42b7,2" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=545b778a95fe42b7,2</a>
[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Aries 1B ]

[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Aries 1B ]

NeoMac

11-27-2001, 11:34 PM

My wants for MWSF2002 are simple:

low-end PowerMac with SuperDrive 15" Apple LCD for roughly $2000 - $2100

The most important item to me is the SuperDrive at the low-end price. There are a whole bunch of family movies and pictures that I would like to preserve to DVD.

The system specs are irrelevant as long as it gets the job done at a good value.

CosmoNut

11-28-2001, 01:48 AM

I'll probably upgrade upon release of the following:

TiBook w/ 800Mhz G4
DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive (SuperDrive would be GREAT!)
Everything else is good to go otherwise.

Ah, a G4 Powerbook...Bye, bye Pismo. :)

G-News

11-28-2001, 10:34 AM

I'm gonna buy a new Mac once they release G5 with all the new tech that is out there and that everyone has been waiting for.
I upgraded my 3 year old Beige in Spring, and it's doing ok, so in fact I don't need a new machine very soon. Only all the new titles comign out for OS X only are bugging me, I don't wanna upgade to OS X with this machine anymore.

G-news

Slacker

11-28-2001, 10:55 AM

Since I'm still running on a 7600 w/375MHz G3 upgrade (and Firewire/USB upgrade) I need a new machine. My backup is a Umax C600 with 300MHz upgrade, but mostly used as a storage server since it has all the prewired internal bays.

My next purchase will be with my upcoming tax return (approx march, if I get my paperwork done on time).

So if it's available this is what I'll get (or wait til it's available).

The cheapest G5 model with a Superdrive. That's all I'm waiting for, not worried about the type of RAM or system bus or video cards available.

Just the cheapest G5 w/ Superdrive. If I need to BTO to get the best grapics card I will and I'll probably upgrade the RAM on my own since it's usually to pricey through Apple.

11-28-2001, 11:48 AM

Dec/Jan: iBook 600 Combo, upgraded to 640MB ram

Sometime next year: build my own PC (prob AthlonXP) OR wait till end of next year / beginning of year after and see what G5 offerings there are (depending on if the iBook is driving me nuts (underpowered) and on my money situation)

I hope no new iBooks will come out in January or else I'll shoot someone.

rickag

11-28-2001, 12:29 PM

In Jan.
a low end tower, unless Apple comes out with a monitorless iMac with a decent G4 processor, AGP 4X slot w/ Geforce, 133 bus, @ least one additional PCI slot at a decent price, $599 - $699.

A monitorless iMac @ that price would leave a lot of money leftover for a new printer, digital camera, upgrade card for my current computer(to give my daughters), and scanner.

either way I'm going to be :)

macaddict

11-28-2001, 06:23 PM

It's kind of pointless to buy a $1500 Mac, then run in emulation software for WIndows that would run five times as fast on a $750 Athlon system. You can build a beautiful PC that will school everything Apple makes for less than a thousand bucks. Granted though, you're still stuck with Windows.

KidRed

11-28-2001, 06:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by MacAddict:
Granted though, you're still stuck with Windows.<hr></blockquote>

Exactly why Virtual PC is out :) Sacrafice a little speed hit to have the best of both worlds makes more sense to me. When the G5 comes out, there may not be any more speed hits. Anywhere.

BerberCarpet

11-28-2001, 07:02 PM

I would reallllly like to have a Quad with a nice fast bus to replace my aging webserver... rack mountable would be great, but I'm not counting on any of that.

Odds are I'll be stuck buying two dual G4/5s (one for Apache and Lasso5 and another for MySQL) instead.

===
That's for work, of course

For my wife I'd like to get an iBook... not picky, but it'll bite that hers will be faster than mind.

macaddict

11-28-2001, 07:29 PM

Yeah, but for a little more than the cost of VPC and a running copy of Win2K you can get a cheapo depot PC. It doesn't take much to outperform VPC. :)

Like a Duron 600, 20GB HD, no vid card, no sound card, no case, lol.

DoctorGonzo

11-28-2001, 07:29 PM

Now that the X-Box is going to take care of most of my gaming needs (I think Virtual PC will be able to handle The Operational Art Of War series) I can grab an iBook sometime in the next year.....As long as long-term reliability issues don't crop up with the current batch. I already delt with the GLOD, thank you very much.

Amazing. A good Microsoft product is putting me in a position to get a Mac.

[ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: DoctorGonzo ]

Junkyard Dawg

11-28-2001, 08:06 PM

Two scenarios:

1. Money no object:

I would replace my G4 with a new computer when a "G5" is available, meaning a new powermac with a fully revised mobo, ddr RAM, 8x agp or whatever and a phat GPU. The MHz would need to be over 1.4 GHz, and of course Altivec or something similar.

2. Money is the limiting factor:

My current PMG4 400 MHz AGP is a fine computer. OS X 10.1.1 runs ok on it, and I'm looking forward to further performance optimizations from Apple. There is little I use my computer for that actually taxes it all that much, in other words, for most tasks I don't wait. Yeah, some audio processing takes time, but I can live with it. I've already invested money in RAM, SB Live, Radeon, and and CDRW Firewire drive, and my computer fulfills all my needs. So I don't have any use for a G5 at this time.

If I could buy a CPU upgrade then I would, but it would have to be at least 933 MHz G4, and it could cost no more than $400.

The single best upgrade to performance I could buy is DSL or Cable internet access, but I'm too cheap to pay for it.

All in all, I'm a happy Mac user, with no urgent need for a faster system. :)

EmAn

11-28-2001, 08:18 PM

[quote]If I could buy a CPU upgrade then I would, but it would have to be at least 933 MHz G4, and it could cost no more than $400. <hr></blockquote>

Well you know that's never gunna happen.

Bigc

11-29-2001, 01:56 AM

Minimum dual 1.2 Ghz with DDR

geezer1

11-29-2001, 04:25 PM

I'll buy the G4 iMac, hopefully with SuperDrive, when it comes out. Thanks very much.

TigerWoods99

11-29-2001, 04:58 PM

This is what I wanna do:

Buy low-end G5 (1 or 1.2 GHz, DDR, 400 MHz bus, USB 2, Firewire 2, new case w/2 5.25" bays, Hyper Transport)
then I would put my Lite-On 24x10x40x IDE CD-RW in the G5, max out the RAM with about 512 Mb, possibly more
most likely wouldn't get a new monitor, View Sonic 17" is not the best but it's fine
buy a digital camera, probably something in the moderate price range
when GeForce 4 comes out buy that
DVD-RW a must, hopefully on machine
buy myself new MP3/CD player
buy Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound receiver or maybe hook up stereo system to the Mac
TV Tuner card

Grizelmac

11-29-2001, 06:13 PM

Hey Whisper,

I have an old PowerTower as well. I'm not daring enought to put OS X.1 on it yet (but it's on my bondi iMac).
It is really dog slow? I may put it on there just for kicks.

Griz from Alameda. :rolleyes:

Grizelmac

11-29-2001, 06:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
I hate to say it but the next one I buy may be a Linux box. I'm still rather POed that Apple dropped support for the tray loading iMac in OS X. Apple's Iron Curtain policy of not telling people WTF is going on and what type of support to expect is very annoying. At least with Linux you know what you get.<hr></blockquote>

Since when did Apple drop this support? OS X works just fine on my original Bondi iMac with 192 megs of RAM.
The only trick is that I have to partition my big drive into one smaller than 8 gigs and one bigger.

Other than that, fine.

EmAn

11-29-2001, 07:35 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Grizelmac:


Since when did Apple drop this support? OS X works just fine on my original Bondi iMac with 192 megs of RAM.
The only trick is that I have to partition my big drive into one smaller than 8 gigs and one bigger.

Other than that, fine.<hr></blockquote>

Scott says they dropped support for it because there's still no Rage Pro drivers.