FINAL MWSF Predictions: The writing on the wall

[CosmoNut]

NOTE, 1/5/02: This thread was created before the Apple.com slogans began. Upon further thought on the matter, it's possible that all the slogans point to a very fast machine that's capable of winning a bake-off with a PC. It's been done before, so that's nothing new, BUT Big Daddy S.J. said Apple would be *closing* the Mhz gap. This implies that Apples will soon match the Mhz of PC's. All things considered, I believe that Apple and Motorola aren't ready to release a G5, or ANY chip that can get to 2.2Ghz. All that said, my original predictions stand, slightly modified.

It's probably reasonable to assume that nothing else will be released or updated until MWSF now. After the recent update to the TiBook, miscellaneous rumors and articles, FCP 3 being released, etc., what are your final predictions?
Mods: Please lock this thread shortly before the keynote.

The Rules:

-- 1) Write only your thoughts on what you REALLY think will be released, updated, etc. IOW, serious predictions.
-- 2) Please only one post per user. Edit your post if your predictions change.
-- 3) No arguing or replying in rebuttal or support of someone else's prediction. This thread is not for discussion (goodness knows there's enough of those already), but predictions only.
-- 4) Please be fairly detailed. Don't just say "LCD iMacs and G5's," and leave it at that. Make your best prediction of basic specs.

My Predictions:

Steve walks out: "2001 was a great year. I'd even venture to say that it was the best year Apple has ever had. We released OS X AND X.1, two amazing portable computers, Final Cut Pro 3, yadda yadda yadda. Now we're looking to the future, and we believe that we've promoted this event as something worthy of what we're going to show you this morning. In fact, we were so excited about what we're releasing at this Expo, that we wanted to bring it to you a day earlier. So let's get started..."

Preview OS X.2 available early March.
Tout OfflineRT in FCP 3, demo FCP 3

Release & demo iMovie 3
-- OfflineRT, Better audio editing, in/out points, etc.
-- Available for $29.99 or free in new machines.

(But what ARE the new machines, Steve?)

Introduce new PowerMac Apollo G4's:
867Mhz/256MB DDR/60GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$1699
1.1Ghz/256MB DDR/80GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$2299
1.3Ghz/512MB DDR/100GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$2899
Dual 1.1Ghz/512MB DDR/100GB/Superdrive/NVidea GeForce 3/$3499

Steve: "These machines are FAST! And to demonstrate, we have [fill in the blank] from Adobe with a demonstration."
-- Mac to PC bake off
-- Preview of Photoshop X.

Steve: "Although a lot of software is now native in OS X, there's still more that you want. Today, we have some new key programs for you to use natively in OS X."
-- Intros Macromedia guy with Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and Flash for OS X.
-- Probably a couple other companies.

Steve: "So we've updated the PowerMac G4. I bet your wondering about our displays."
Price drops:
15" now $499
17" now $799
22" now $1999

Steve: "So all of our computers have LCD's across the line -- except iMac. Today we're going to change that. Since it's release in 1998, iMac has had the same basic form factor, and it's served millions of schools and home users very well. With the advent of the LCD display, we wanted to redo the iMac, and that's what we have to show you today. Introducing iMac LCD:" Now with Sahara processor.

600Mhz/128MB/40GB/CD-RW/15" TFT/Gigabit Eth./$1099
700Mhz/256MB/60GB/CD-RW/15" TFT/Gigabit Eth./$1399
800Mhz/256MB/80GB/CD-RW/15" TFT/Gigabit Eth./$1599
-- Other features: 15lbs., 1foot square footprint, Indigo/Snow/Crystal colors

Steve: "So we've updated the Power Mac, iMac, previewed OS X.2, released iMovie 3, and dropped our display prices. You would think there's nothing left. But...we have ONE MORE THING. Presenting:

The "iPod Camera" & iPhoto software

Camera: Based on same architecture of "iPod MP3", 3 Megapixel camera, 1.5in. LCD screen. Can ALSO play MP3's, and connects to iPod MP3 for extended storage. $499.

Software: Simple image editing incl. red-eye-reduction, titles, cropping, rotating, color correction, brightness/contrast, yadda yadda. Avail. on new Macs and free from Apple web site.

I know I'm off on some of the specs for the camera, IF it even is coming.

[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: CosmoNut ]</p>

[Leonis]

PowerMac

Processor: 7460

Speed: 867Mhz, 933Ghz, 1Ghz, Dual 933Mhz

RAM type / Bus: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz

RAM installed: 256/ 256/ 512/512

Optical Drive: CD-RW / SuperDrive / SuperDrive

Video : 4X AGP with the same old **** GeForce 2MX across the board

Case: Same as QS

Price: 1999,2499, 2999, 3599 &lt;---Yeah...Apple wants to rip off their customer again.

Running Photoshop. A 1Ghz G4 is 20% faster than 2Ghz P4

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iMac

Processor: New IBM Sahara processor

Speed: 600Mhz, 800Mhz, 900Mhz, 1Ghz

RAM type / Bus: SD-RAM / 133 Mhz

RAM installed: 128/128/256/ 256

Optical Drive: CD-ROM / CD-RW/ CD-RW / Combo

Video: ATi Radeon 16MB VRAM

Case: New case with 14" LCD for the others

Price: 999 / 1199 / 1399 / 1599

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iBook
No change until after Spring Break

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On the software side......

OSX 10.2 preview
OS 9.2.2
Adobe demostrates Photoshop 7

ps. I DO hope we would see G5

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>

[bernard]

IBM "sahara" (4stage 512L2 256bit ) is likey to BLOW past G4 7450's at similar clock speeds, in non Altivec stuff (not that there is much) should do alot for notebooks less power and way more speed. if G4's haven't scaled well? we may not see em for a while. whatever it is it better be good.

G4s-same case (needs sound input come on)
866,933,1000 all get some kind of cheaper GF3
imacs-???case GF2mx
733,800,866 or 700,800,900 if no new board
ibook
600,700
ti book
667,800

who knows they need a lot

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: bernard ]</p>

[Toofeu]

If the forthcoming powermac is what you've both stated above in term of speed... then I won't buy one..
MWSF will be a huge let down even worst than the MWNY 2001..

Here is what I expect
933
1.3
1.1 dual
All based on an Appolo
At last, a new case with two full size front bay (Quicksilver IS NOT a new case but just a slight design change)
DDR 266
ultra ata 100 or better
and a new kind of tranfer technology between the CPU and the motherboard
The GeForce 3 ti 500 as a built to order
I know that we have to be realistic but the cofigarations stated above are very depressing don't you think so guys?

[Addison]

LCD iMacs with G4 top model will have superdrive.867,933,1ghz

Powermacs in a new case and G5 processors. New case will have two optical drives. The new 10.2 disk burner has a disk copy function which is usless if there aren't two optical drives. 1.2,1.4,1.6ghz

Ti and iBooks to get speed bump, but nothing else.

I have no idea about prices.

[Cobra]

Here goes:

1. G4 Apollo Powermacs"

Speeds of 933, 1 GHZ, 1.1 GHZ
Dualies on the 1 GHZ
HD's - 60, 100, 80
Optical - combo, super, super
Ram - 256, 512, 256
ATI Radeon 8500 across the board!

Also, faster bus, DDR ram, Firewire 2
Same case basically

Price: 1699, 3499 (Dual 1 GHZ), 2499


2. LCD iMacs

15" LCD on all models
Speeds of 700, 800, 900 G4's!
HD's - 30, 40, 60
Optical - CDR/W, Combo, Combo
Ram - 256, 256, 512
ATI Radeon 7500 across the board!

Price: 1099, 1349, 1599


NO PORTABLES!


Software:

iMovie 3
iPhoto


Wildcards:

Some kind of new digital device.

THERE WILL BE NO TABLETS OF PD FREAKIN A'S AT MWSF NOR WILL THERE EVER BE!!!! :mad:

That is all! :)

Cobra

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Cobra ]</p>

[koldolme]

What happened to the G5 hype??
I still believe there will be a PM G5.

Configs:
________________________________
fast:
1.0 GHz G5
256 MB DDR
SuperDrive
GeForce 2MX

faster:
1.4 GHz G5
256 MB DDR
SuperDrive
GeForce 3 or Radeon 8500

fastest:
dual 1.2 Ghz G5
512 MB DDR
SuperDrive
GeForce 3 or Radeon 8500

[Hornet]

I'm not gunna be overly optimistic, set for a letdown if so :) (worse/better possibilities)

I'd expect:

G4 867/933 (x6.5/x7.0)
G4 1.2ghz (x9.0)
DP G4 1064 (x8.0)

Everything gets bumped a good 200-300mhz, and I am happy :)

Let the G5's roll out in July. Frankly, July fits me best, as rev B's in Jan - I'll be in the market for a powermac then! Rev B G5 :) @ 2000mhz DP multicore all the shnitz! hehe (jk about multicore...)

[Aphelion]

PRESS RELEASE - 01/08/02
[quote]Apple Macintosh breaks the gigahertz barrier across the board with the introduction of a new class of powerful processors. Lead by the release of the Motorola G5 in it's PowerMac line starting at 1 GHz in the base model.

The new Macintosh drops the "i" and is simply called the "Mac", it features a design that morphs the iBook onto the back of the 15" Studio Display. Powered by the Motorola "Apollo" chip, also at 1 GHz.

In the portable line Apple has upped the iBook to a Ghz by using IBM's "Sahara" chip. The TiBook joins the GHz club with the same "Apollo" chip used in the new Mac.

In a stunning "One More Thing" Steve Jobs unveiled a new class of Apple device, the Mac Pad, a "Remote Desktop" Tablet like device that uses AirPort to communicate with, and control, any nearby AirPort equipped Macintosh. Using Gigawire, the next generation IEEE 1394 specification the includes wireless transmission over AirPort cards the Mac Pad is able to display anything the host macintosh can display including DVD movies and streaming content.<hr></blockquote>

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Aphelion ]</p>

[DHagan4755]

Here's the plan, Stans:

PowerMac

G4 933 MHz/256 MB DDR RAM/60 GB HD - $1,699
G5 1.2 GHz/256 MB DDR RAM/80 GB HD - $2,399
G5 1.4 GHz/512 MB DDR RAM/100 GB HD - $2,999

*** All with the next version of Firewire, new PowerMac tower case, and SuperDrive standard across the line.


iMac - $1,099 & $1,299
Basic Specs:
15 inch LCD
PowerPC G4 Processor at 800 MHz
256 MB MB PC133 RAM
40 GB HD
Also new version of Firewire
Higher end model will have larger hard drive and more memory, plus Combo Drive (not SuperDrive)

Also, the new Mac Tablet.
10.2-inch screen with Stylus and Handwriting Recognition
1-inch thick
OS X 10.1.2
USB
FireWire
15 GB HD
Airport
128 MB RAM
PowerPC G3 processor at 900 MHz
Gigawire (for screen sharing with another Mac OS Client or Server)
$799

[imacFP]

PowerMac

Speeds: 867Mhz, 933Ghz, 1Ghz, Dual 933Mhz

RAM/ mobo: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz

RAM: 512 across line

HD: larger ;)

Optical Drives: SuperDrive across line

Video : same video card

Case: Same case as QuickSilver

Price: same prices

(shipping delays on 1Ghz and 933 duals)

iMac

Speeds: 700Mhz, 800Mhz, 900Mhz, 1Ghz

Bus: 100 Mhz bus

RAM: 128/128/256/ 256

HD: 40, 60, 70, 80

Optical Drive: CD-ROM / CD-RW/ CD-RW / Combo

Video: Ati Radeon 16MB/ 32 MB high-end

Case: new case except for low-end

Screens: 15" CRT/ 14" LCD/ 14"LCD/ 15" LCD

Prices: 799 / 1199 / 1399 / 1599

Software
OS X 10.2 preview
photoshopX preview with shootout
AppleWorks 7.0
iMovie 3.0
iTunes 3.0

One Last Thing Not sure what it could be.

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: imacSE ]</p>

[SDW2001]

PowerMac G5

1.2GHZ
256MB
60GB
266 DDR
SuperDrive
$1699

1.4GHZ
512MB
80GB
266 DDR
SuperDrive
$2499

1.6 GHZ
512MB
80GB
266 DDR
SuperDrive
Airport Standard
$2999

Dual 1.4GHZ
1GB
100GB
266DDR
SuperDrive
Airport Standard
$3499


15" LCD iMac

Apollo G4@1GHZ
40GB
CD-RW
128MB
$899

G4@1GHZ
60GB
CD-RW
256MB
$1099

G4@1GHZ
60GB
SuperDrive
256MB
$1399


ibook: Same until MWTO (then speed bump)

PB: same as ibook (then speed bump)

New Product: I really have no idea on this one. The Mac Tablet sounds cool.

Software:

Announce Photoshop for OSX progress and reason for delay (being threaded for MP?)

OSX: Sales, progress, "really happy about it", "we have listened to your feeback". Some lame demo stuff....

FCP3 Demo

iMovie updated possibly...but not iMovie 3...


So, most time spent of iMac and PMG5. I know some will say a G5 is wishful thinking...but seriously, folks....this is what Apple should be building. All the components are there....the motherboard, the drives, the RAM. They just need that G5 class PPC. There is no reason on the face of this earth that Apple shouldn't be building products like above. You may think those specs are nuts....but for what Apple charges that is what they should have in them. I would also be OK with Apollo G4's at 1.0, 1.2 and 1.4, with G3's in the iMacs except for the top model. But Apple needs better components and faster processors right now. I'm tired of making excuses. 1.4 or 1.6GHZ will put Apple REALLY CLOSE to AMD (I don't give a damn how fast that POS Pentium is!).

I won't buy unless G5's come out. One reason is that if not this MW, then definitely in July. These specs are totally possible, and they are what is needed to even be competitive...much less ground-breaking.

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>

[iDogcow]

well, I'm otimistic this expo, considering Steve lenghtining the time and all:

PowerMac-
933mhz, 1ghz, 1.2ghz, Dual 1ghz Apollo

128mb, 256mb, 256mb, 512mb

60gb, 80gb, 90gb, 90gb

Gforce2 on 933 and 1ghz, Radeon 8500 on highend

GigaWire ports

CDRW, Combo, Superdrive, SuperDrive
$1499, $1699, $2499, $3000
iMacs

800mhz, 900mhz, 1ghz Sahara G3
15in LCD , 800mhz CRT

128, 256, 256mb

40, 60, 80gb

Ati Radeon 32mb, 16mb on 800 and 900

CDRW, Combo, Combo

$899 $1199, $1399


iPod
10gb model, price cuts.

iCam
Beats me....

ibook
No change

PowerBook
No change

Software
Photoshop X
Dreamweaver X
iPhot editing software

[budz420]

PowerMac G5 @ 1.2 - 1.4 - 1.6 Dual 1.4
DDR Ram - New Improved Superdrive(faster better stronger) - Will have Choice of ATI or nVidia cards - Gigawire -

New 19" Studio Display - elimination of 15" model

New iPodesque FireWire Digital Camera - OR maybe even DV Cam

iMac will be ELIMINATED FOREVER!! MUUHAHAHHAHAHAH

[Macintosh]

PowerMac

Processor: G5

Speed: 933Mhz, 1.2Ghz, 1.4 Ghz Dual.

RAM kind / Bus: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz

RAM 256/ 256/ 512/512

Optical Drive: All Superdrive.

Video : 4X AGP with GeForce 2MX in lower two models and geforce 3 in high end.

Case: New.

Price: $1,999,$2,499, $3,499

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iMac

Processor: G4

Speed: 500, 667, 733

RAM kind / Bus: SD-RAM / 133 Mhz

RAM: 128/128/256

Optical Drive: CD-RW / Combo/ Superdrive

Video: ATi Radeon 16MB VRAM, upgradeable to Geforce 2

Case: New case with 15" LCD f

Price: $999 / $1,399/$1,599

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iBook

Processor: G3

Speed: 600,700,700,700

Ram: 128 MB acrosss the line.

Optical Drives: CD-Rom/ DVD/ CD-RW/Combo.

Video: Geforce 2 Go in DVD models and up/ Rage Mobility in low end.

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New Digital Device

[jeromba]

PowerMac G5
1.2 GHz / 256 DDR RAM / Combo / Gigawire / GeForce3 Ti 200
1.4 GHz / 512 DDR RAM / SuperDrive / Gigawire / GeForce3 Ti 200
Dual 1.0 GHz / 512 DDR RAM / SuperDrive / Gigawire / GeForce3 Ti 200

iMac G5 LCD
1.0 GHz / 256 DDR RAM / Choice of drive: DVD-Combo-SuperDrive / Gigawire / GeForce2 MX

Apple Studio LCD 17" / 19" / 22"

And One More Thing™
Tablet - iPad G4 (Apollo)
733 MHz / 128 SDRAM / Gigawire / ATI rage Mobility

or

iPhoto with iCamera (iPod Style)
FireWire - 5 Gb HD

[ 12-24-2001: Message edited by: jeromba ]</p>

[pscates]

Power Macs
- No G5
- GHz-busting G4s in 933, and two other above-1GHz models
- Possible dual-processor option on one or all models?
- 256MB RAM in all models
- No hard drives less than 40GB
- SuperDrive on all models

iMac
- 800-900MHz G3
- 15" LCD (1024x768)
- Combo drive, at least as an option
- better video card than currently used
- 128 and 256MB RAM
- Will be like the iBook and have one processor speed and the line be differentiated by choice of optical drive
- No hard drives less than 40GB
- Glossy white enclosure...really cool-looking and SMALL. Smaller and thinner than anything predicted/mocked-up so far. It'll be a breath-taker. That'll be the "hook"...how small and thin it is. We'll be like "HOW in the hell did they fit all that crap in there?" because it'll look NOTHING like anything we've imagined. It'll be a small engineering marvel.

iBook
8x combo drive bump

Titanium PowerBook
No changes

AppleScript Studio
Or whatever it was called. That thing demonstrated back in July that you can build apps with and all and automate processes.

New iApp dealing with digital photography
What iMovie and iTunes are to digital video and music, this new iApp is a cool, easy-to-use, intuitive basic photo editor and nice little addition to the whole "digital hub" strategy. Removes red-eyes, crops, retouches, rotates, add type to photos, borders, etc. Consumer-level "fun" photo editing for all these new post-Christmas digital camera owners :)

Apple display price cuts
15" now $499, 17" now $799, 22" Cinema Display now $1999

"Oh yeah, one more thing..."
:)
I can't even imagine, but it'll be something totally out of left field, BUT something that we'll all go "of course! How come nobody's thought of that yet! AWESOME!". Some sort of non-Mac digital device, I'm sure. Beyond that, I have no clue.

[Ifok5]

PowerMac
G4 'Apollo' 1/1.2 (Duel)/1.4 Ghz
266Mhz DDR,ATA-133
Ati Radeon 8500/NVIDA GeForce 3 Ti
DVD/CD-RW standard (Super Drive optional)
1699/3199/2499

iMac
G3 'Sahara' 800/900/1000 Mhz
133 Mhz SDRAM
NVIDA GeForce 2 MX
CD-RW Standard(Optional DVD/CD-RW)
799/999/1199

iBook/TiBook
No Changes

iPod-addons (maybe Mic or Remote or 'Gigawire'?)
Maybe new Digital Hub Product (Something with Wireless Communication maybe)

New Displays-same sizes, new look (maybe a 19 in.)

G5 in April

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Ifok5 ]</p>

[Krassy]

PowerMacG5

900Mhz/1.2Ghz/1.5Ghz
256/512/512MB (DDR300)
Gigawire (s.th.Wireless Technology)
2xFirewire (if Gigawire isn't the wireless Firewire - else just 1 Firewire for older equipment)
2xUSB
New Case (Metal Look)
New Mouse (Metal Look)
Pro-Keyboard (Metal Look)
GeForce3MX and optional better ones
3PCI
4xAGP
60/80/100GB ultra ATA/133
Gigabit Ethernet
Dual Processor optional on each Model
Superdrive

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iMac

TFT 15"
G4 at 733/800/867 Mhz
128/128/256MB (PC133)
40/40/60GB Ultra ATA/100
2USB
2Firewire
Gigabit Ethernet
New Look (metal)
same New Mouse & Pro-Keyboard as G5 Tower
(touch screen or handwriting recognition -
Display can be used horizontal or vertical)
CD-RW/CD-RW/Superdrive
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iBook speed bump
TiBook speed bump

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OS 9.2.3
X still 10.1.2

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iPod update (new functionality and optional things)

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New TFT-Displays at 15",17",19" and Cinema Display at 23" or 24"

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just my thoughts

greets,
krassy

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: Krassy ]</p>

[MarcUK]

Powermac

933 Apollo
1200 Apollo
dual 1.13 Apollo

266mhz ddr

iMac

700 mhz G3 CRT
800 mhz G3 LCD
800 mhz Apollo+Superdrive+LCD

iBook+Powerbook relatively unchanged

OSX 1.2
And one more thing...

[Leonis]

[quote]Orignally posted by Macintosh:
<strong>PowerMac

Processor: G5

Speed: 933Mhz, 1.2Ghz, 1.4 Ghz Dual.

RAM kind / Bus: DDR-RAM, 233Mhz

RAM 256/ 256/ 512/512

Optical Drive: All Superdrive.

Video : 4X AGP with GeForce 2MX in lower two models and geforce 3 in high end.

Case: New.

Price: $1,999,$2,499, $3,499
</strong><hr></blockquote>


If the Dual 1.4Ghz G5 is with these spec and price I will ditch my DP 500G4 for it without second thought

[MCQ]

Powermac G4 Apollo
933 MHz, 60 GB, 512 MB DDR, Combo Drive, GF Ti 200 - $1,599 1.2 GHz, 80 GB, 512 MB DDR, Superdrive, GF Ti 200 - $2,199 Dual 1 GHz, 100 GB, 512 MB DDR, Superdrive, GF Ti 500 - $2,799


Imac - Sahara G3All have 15" LCD screens
800 MHz, 40 GB, 256 MB, CD-RW, Geforce2 Mx - $899 900 MHz, 60 GB, 256 MB, Combo Drive, Geforce 2 Mx- $1,099 1 GHz, 60 GB, 256 MB, SuperDrive, Geforce 2 Mx - $1,399


IPod - Either update to larger size, or price drop

IPhoto - Digital Imaging software

Some other Digital Hub device

:confused: :confused: <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[userone]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aphelion:
[QB]PRESS RELEASE - 01/08/02

Aphelion

That has got to be one of the best press releases I have read!

The time has got to be close for a "Thin Client" of some sort... I think it is right that it will be disguised as a natural extention of an existing computer with a concept like "remote desktop"... This would be revolutionary and I would say "somewhat bitchin"!

userone

[Logan Cale]

-•Hardware•-

Power Macintosh

933 MHz G4
512 MB of DDR RAM 40 GB HD CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo (Superdrive Optional) USB 2 FireWire 2 GigaWire $1699

1 GHz G4 768 MB of DDR RAM 60 GB HD SuperDrive USB 2 FireWire 2 GigaWire $1999

1.2 GHz G4 1 GB of DDR RAM 80 GB HD SuperDrive USB 2 FireWire 2 GigaWire $2499

Dual 1 GHz G4 1.5 GB of DDR RAM 100 GB HD SuperDrive USB 2 FireWire 2 GigaWire $2999

Macintosh (Previously iMac)

867 MHz G3 15" LCD Display 256 MB of RAM 30 GB HD DVD-ROM Drive USB 2 FireWire 2 GigaWire(?) $999

933 MHz G3 15" LCD Display 384 MB of RAM 40 GB HD CD-RW Drive USB 2 FireWire 2 GigaWire(?) $1299

1 GHz G3 15" LCD Display 512 MB of RAM 60 GB HD CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo USB 2 FireWire 2 GigaWire(?) $1499

Displays 17" - $599 19" - $999 22" - $1999 27" - $3999

ONE MORE THING!

http://www.sevensquareinches.com/misc/newton22.gif

-•Software•-

iPhoto Color/contrast correction Dust and Scratch remover Other assorted tools

Photo Studio Pro All the features of Photoshop and more

[ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: MacAgent ]</p>

[discstickers]

iPod price drop to 349.

PowerMac G5
1.0/1.4/Dual 1.2
256/512/512 DDR RAM
60/60/80 GB HD
GF2/GF3/GF3
$1699/1999/2599

iPhoto- Available now for free download

"One more thing..."
iMac
1.0 GHz Apollo
256 MB SDRAM
60 GB HD
GeForce 2MX
15 inch LCD
CDROM/CDRW/Combo/Superdrive
$899/1099/1299/1499 (Called SE)

No updates to TiBook or iBook (will be updated at MWTK)

[gumby5647]

LCD iMac:
733mhz G4
128MB RAM
20GB
15"LCD
ATi Radeon 16MB
CD-ROM or Opition DVD

867Mhz G4
128MB
40GB
15" LCD
ATi Radeon 16MB
CD-RW or Opitional DVD

933Mhz G4
256MB
60GB
15" LCD
ATi Radeon 16MB
Combo Drive
Airport Card


PowerMac:
1.0Ghz G4 Apollo
256MB
40GB
Same Video card as now
Superdrive

1.2Ghz G4 Apollo
256MB
60GB
Same Video as now
Zip 250
Superdrive
Airport Card

1.4Ghz G4 Apollo
512MB
80GB
Same Video as now
Zip 250
Superdrive
Airport Card


iBook;
nothing

PowerBook:
nothing
I won't even try to guess on prices. As much as I would like to see the G5 at MWSF, i think Apple will milk the Apollo for what its worth....

[TigerWoods99]

PowerMac-

G5
speeds of 1-1.4 GHz
400 MHz BUS
DDR RAM
Hypertransport or Rapid IO
GeForce Ti/Radeon 8500 now available
FireWire 2
Gigawire
Superdrive on low end
some implementation of Raycer Graphics

iMac-

15" LCD
speeds in 800 MHz-1 GHz range (either Sahara G3 or Apollo G4)
GeForce2 MX
133 MHz bus
Superdrive option

[mpw_amherst]

iMac
Two models (differing only with drive, like the iBook with a BTO at Apple Store)
G4 processor at 800Mhz
New graphics card (don't ask me what)
TiPowerbook LCD screen (widescreen anyway)
128MB RAM
30GB Hard drive
ENTRY LEVEL: CDRW
TOP LEVEL: Combo drive
BTO: Super drive and 256MB RAM (plus obvious RAM and hard drive size increases, if you wish)

Brand new cordless keyboard and mouse, work off Airport as Airport card now comes as standard.
THIS IS APPLE'S REVOLUTIONARY PRODUCT

New G5 Powermacs
Same case and pretty much everything really, only now we have G5 processors running at
1.0Ghz
1.1Ghz (Dual)
1.2Ghz
Also use new keyboards and mice

Software:
Appleworks 7
iPicture 1.0 (but now matching product, like iTunes and iPod)

Mike

[BuonRotto]

1. Speed-bumped G4's, no big deal They will have to wait until March to announce G5's, thus no news here is good news. Otherwise if they makes a big deal about the G4's beyond the usual bake-off and "hooray we broke 1 GHz" it means the G5's will take until July.

2. New iMac. This is the new "revolutionary" product. LCD, possible expansion for FireWire drive/devices (i.e., the square hole for the square peg), and/or something I can't think of. Big, big deal.

3. New iPictures app. Think Image Capture meets the essentially defunct Adobe Photo Deluxe. Auto-detect and download of images from devices, upload to iTools Homepage, simple color correction, some trick effects/filters, and printer set-up (albums, framed images, etc.)

4. Preview of 10.2 (renamed to 10.5 possibly).

[geobe]

Is the latest Airport upgrade possibly a clue. What if the new product is some sort of cordless telephone that connects to airport either through the Ethernet, if connected over the broadband internet, or, a regular phone call when connected to the regular telephone line. If Apple wants to have a digital hub, starting with the telephone would be a good start.

[Daver]

I want a Newton 2. :p

[CosmoNut]

Please keep this thread to predictions ONLY.

[jwdawso]

(Many thanks to MacAgent for his ideas and format!)

-•Hardware•-

Power Macintosh

1 GHz G4

* 512 MB of DDR RAM
* 40 GB HD
* CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo (Superdrive Optional)
* USB 2
* FireWire 2
* GigaWire
* $1699

1 GHz G5

* 512 MB of DDR RAM
* 60 GB HD
* CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo (Superdrive Optional)
* USB 2
* FireWire 2
* GigaWire
* $2199

1.2 GHz G5

* 512 MB of DDR RAM
* 80 GB HD
* SuperDrive
* USB 2
* FireWire 2
* GigaWire
* $2999

1.4 GHz G5

* 512 MB of DDR RAM
* 80 GB HD
* SuperDrive
* USB 2
* FireWire 2
* GigaWire
* $3599

Dual 1.2 GHz G5

* 512 MB of DDR RAM
* 100 GB HD
* SuperDrive
* USB 2
* FireWire 2
* GigaWire
* $4199

iMac

700 MHz G3

* 15" CRT Display
* 128 MB of RAM
* 30 GB HD
* DVD-ROM Drive
* USB
* FireWire
* $799

733 MHz G4

* 15" LCD Display
* 256 MB of RAM
* 30 GB HD
* DVD-ROM Drive
* USB
* FireWire
* $1199

867 MHz G4

* 15" LCD Display
* 256 MB of RAM
* 60 GB HD
* CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo
* USB
* FireWire
* $1399

1 GHz G4

* 15" LCD Display
* 512 MB of RAM
* 80 GB HD
* CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo
* USB
* FireWire
* $1699

BTO SuperDrive + $300
Note: G4 only has on-chip cache (like TiBook)

iBook - bumped by 100Mhz

New calendar/schedule applications integrated with Mail and Address Book.

iPod - software upgradeable to sync with Mail/Address book/calendar. Price reduced to $349.

Displays

* 17" - $699
* 19" - $1199
* 22" - $1999
* 27" - $3999 - requires special graphics card

ONE MORE THING!

iPad connected via Gigawire to PowerMacs - $899
Can display/control PowerMac. G3 600 MHz / 128 SDRAM / Gigawire / ATI rage Mobility. Can also function as second monitor. Infrared port to control TV, VCR, etc.

(Am I optimistic or what?)

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: jwdawso ]

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: jwdawso ]

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: jwdawso ]</p>

[Tarbash]

Hey that's my quote! <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Anyway, guess I'll pitch in my 2 cents:

iMac: (all standard with 15 inch LCD, FireWire2, USB, Gigabit ethernet, 32 MB GeForce2 MX, Aiport ready)

$999
867 MHz G4
128 MB RAM
40 GB
CD-RW

$1299
1 GHz G4
256 MB RAM
60 GB HD
DVD/CD-RW Combo

$1499
1 GHz G4
256 MB RAM
80 GB HD
Superdrive


PowerMac: (Gigawire, FireWire2, USB2 standard, RAM expandable to 5 GB+ on the G5 models)

$1699
933 MHz G4
256 MB RAM
60 GB HD
DVD/CD-RW combo drive
64 MB GeForce 2 MX

$1999
1 GHz G5
256 MB RAM
80 GB HD
SuperDrive
64 MB GF3

$2499
1.2 GHz G5
512 MB RAM
80 GB HD
SuperDrive
64 MB GF3

$2999
1.4 GHz G5
512 MB RAM
80 GB HD
SuperDrive
64 MB GF3

$3499
Dual 1.2 GHz G5
512 MB RAM
100 GB HD
SuperDrive
64 MB GF3

New displays with less space around edges:
17 inch: $599
19 inch: $999
22 inch: $1999
27 inch: $2999

One more thing:
i**** OS X based tablet device that syncys via wireless Firewire to PowerMac and iMac. 1 inch thin, 600 MHz G3, built in Airport. (I think Kormac was ahead of his time, but right...)
$999

Software: FCP 3 and Photoshop X demo on G5s, Image Capture Studio

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Tarbash ]</p>

[Horned_Frog]

I just don;t think they can afford to release the iMac with anything less than a combo CDRW/DVD drive. In this day and age, even on a basic machine, no one wants just a CD-ROM drive. I would have to believe all models would have a combo drive, and a superdrive could/should be a BTO option.

[agent302]

MWSF

Power Mac G4

933 Mhz Apollo G4
256 MB DDR @266
60 GB HD (ATA/100)
Combo Drive
GeForce 3
$1699

Dual 1.13 Ghz Apollo G4
512 MB DDR @266
80 GB HD (ATA/100)
Superdrive
GeForce 3
$2499

Dual 1.33 Ghz Apollo G4
512 MD DDR @266
100 GB HD (ATA/100)
Superdrive
GeForce 3 w/Twinview

(b/c no G5, Apple will put dual procs in top two models, just like the dual 450 and 500 at MWNY 2000)

iMac

All models with 867 Mhz G3 w/133 Mhz bus, 15" LCD, and GeForce 2.
CD-Rom/128 MB/20 GB HD/$899
DVD-Rom/256 MB/40 GB HD/$1199
CD-RW/256 MB/60 GB HD/$1299
Combo/512 MB/80 GB HD/$1499

Software
Preview of OS X 10.2
Appleworks 7, in which Apple final demonstrates tha Carbon apps can access services, thus allowing me to write papers that get spell-checked as I type :)

And, since I feel like going through the entire product matrix, by predictions through MW Tokyo in March

Quicktime Live (beginning of Feb)

Release of QT 6, with full MPEG 4 support

MW Tokyo

iBook

All with 750 Mhz G3 w/bus still at 100 Mhz, still a 12.1" monitor, but now w/the same Mobility Radeon that is in the current crop of PowerBooks

CD-Rom/128 MB/20 GB HD/$1099
DVD-Rom/256 MB/20 GB HD/$1299
CD-RW/256 MB/20 GB HD/$1399
Combo/256 MB/30 GB HD/$1599

PowerBook

800 Mhz Apollo G4
256 MB SDRAM @133
30 GB HD
Combo Drive
ATi Mobility Radeon 7500 w/32 MB of VRam
$2299

933 Mhz Apollo G4
512 MB SDRAM @133
48 GB HD
Combo Drive
ATi Mobility Radeon 7500 w/32 MB of VRam
$2999 (Which I will by right after the keynote)

Ok, I like my predictions, I hope you all do to

edit:
Apple will, with the release of Appleworks 7, realize that pro's have to write things too, and include it standard with Power Macs and PowerBooks

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: agent302 ]</p>

[applenut]

Alright. I'll bite.

PowerMac G5
1 Ghz,1.4 Ghz, dual 1.2 Ghz
256, 512, 512 MBs RAM
60, 80, 100 GB HDs
nVidia Geforce 3 standard
Superdrive Standard
Gigabit Ethernet Standard
266 Mhz DDR
4X AGP
ATA/100
$1699, 2199, 2999

iMac LCD
15.1 inch LCD (1024 x 768)
256 MB RAM
60 GB HD
nVidia Geforce 2 MX 16 MB
867 Mhz G4
Combo Drive
Gigabit Ethernet
$1299

$1499 with Superdrive

Preview of Mac OS X 10.2
QT6 Preview highlighting MPEG 4
iPod overview, possible price cut to $349

end of show. iMac will be" one more thing"

[waffffffle]

My realistic MWSF02 [very much edited on 1/5/01]:

Preview of 10.2 (available in March)
$20 for shipping and handling (can be gotten at CompUSA, etc)

Portables are mentioned
iBooks drop $100 (like rebate)
bumped to 700MHz for combo drive and 600Mhz for CD-ROM
only CD and combo models
$1200/$1400

TiBooks
667 becomes low end and 733 high end
same prices, all combo drives

PowerMac G4
1 GHz / Dual 1 GHz / 1.2 GHz / 1.4 GHz
256 MB / 512 MB / 512 MB / 1 GB
combo / combo / superdrive / superdrive
60 GB ----- 100 GB
Faster FireWire, Airport standard
Everything else stays the same
$1699 / $2199 / $2599 / $2999

iMac
1 GHz G3 Sahara/1 GHz G3 Sahara/1 GHz G4
128 MB / 256 MB / 256 MB
CD-ROM /Combo/Superdrive
40 GB / 60 GB / 60 GB
14.1 in LCD screen, looks just like current 15 in studio displays
$899 / $1099 / $1499
iDVD for the consumer (big deal)

iMovie 3 (some of the features of FCP 3)
$50 download, free on iMacs and iBooks, and with 10.2

One more thing. . .
New device: iCamera
The best digicam ever.
Uses the same 5 GB HD, can store infinate number of pics.
TV output for slide shows
Uses FireWire
iPod's rechargeable battery
scroll pad navigation, small LCD color screen
$400

compantion software:
iPhoto
Suped up Image Capture w/ iTunes-like browser interface
syncs with iCamera
Put's XP's software to shame
easily browse massive picture libraries and organize in groups (via coment tags)
can browse by thumbnails (128x128)
make OpenGL slideshows with ease (like making a playlist)
add mp3 soundtracks to slideshows
export slideshows to iDVD (2.2)
Easily crop, remove redeye, apply filters, add captions and notes
OS X ONLY
(Apple will not sell this, just like they don't sell iDVD)
Free on all new Macs, and in future OS X revisions (like iMovie for OS X).
Possibly free download (coming soon).

There will be NO PRO version of iPhoto (as to not piss off Adobe).

Apple Rackmount server? (it's coming, but MWSF may not be the best venue to show it off at).
Dual 800 MHz G4, minimal graphics card, big HD, $999
[ 12-24-2001: Message edited by: waffffffle ]

[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: waffffffle ]</p>

[/\ldie]

Some of you guys are just nog being realistic. Tarbash for example:

" iMac: (all standard with 15 inch LCD, FireWire2, USB, Gigabit ethernet, 32 MB GeForce2 MX, Aiport ready)

$999
867 MHz G4
128 MB RAM
40 GB
CD-RW
"

Ok, so you think Apple will introduce an iMac with a 867 Mhz G4 processor, 15 inch LCD and a geforce card for a bloody $999 (!&gt;&gt;!?!?) while the 867 is is selling as the top-end G4 now, WITHOUT a monitor, and costs $2,499?

dream on.

[/\ldie]

Ok, now my predictions:

Hardware
New PowerMac G4
- 933 mhz, dual 1.33 Ghz, 1.1 Ghz
- 256, 512 MB RAM
- Superdrive in top 2 models
- same case
- same prices

New iMac G3
- 700 mhz, 867 mhz, 1 Ghz G3
- 15' flatpanel all models
- 128, 256 mb RAM
- DVD or CD-rw, combo in topmodel
- $999, $1299, $1499

- No new portables
- Price drop for the iPod. Probably -$50
- New iDevice like the iPod, mayby for video.

Software
- No preview of OS X 10.2
- iPhoto, a simple iTunes-like picture-editing app
- Maybe iMovie 3
- Demo of Photoshop X

thats it.

[ 12-25-2001: Message edited by: /\ldie ]</p>

[TigerWoods99]

Nice predictions applenut. I'm willing to bet they are close except for the iMac speed maybe.

MWNY 00 ---&gt; MWSF 01
500 MHz ---&gt; 733 MHz
46.6 % increase in MHz

=

MWNY 01 ---&gt; MWSF 02
867 * 1.466 ---&gt; 1271.02


MWSF 01 ---&gt; MWNY 01
733 MHz ---&gt; 867 MHz
18.144611187 % increase in MHz

=

MWNY 01 ---&gt; MWSF 02
867 * 1.18145 ---&gt; 1024.313779

Give or take, 1.4 isn't quite the huge leap if we look at it. It's possible. If we get a similar leap in theoretical top clock speed as MWSF this year, we're past 1.2 GHz.

[Tarbash]

Yeah, well back in January the 733 G4 tower was the top of the line at $3499. 6 months later it was priced at $1699.

Times and technology change, and with G5s on the horizon, G4s will no doubt become less expensive, and 867 MHz will be considered VERY low end.

So many people are stuck in the mindset that Apple will adavance CPU speed at the same slow pace that it has in the past, but we are in for a pretty bug leap I think.

[TigerWoods99]

Exactly. So by my formula the first speed could be top end and second bottom end, give or take.

Just release those G5s at slightly lower clock speeds. They'll still smack the Apollo.

[CosmoNut]

Now, now, children. Predictions only please. Tsk tsk. ;)

[shawk]

Modular workstations with up to 16 G5 CPUs

Alliance with Sun
OS X ported to SPARC

Alliance with IBM
Apple buys rights to G3/G4/G5/G6 and Motorola's CPU chip fabrication plants

Home entertainment server with cable modem/cable SD/HD TV

30/42/60" LCD HD screens

Distribution to home/portable information/entertainment modules

Remote computing/entertainment

Apple will aim to centralize all home information and entertainment technologies into one system

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: shawk ]</p>

[Bodhi]

[quote]867Mhz/256MB DDR/60GB/Superdrive/Same video/$1699
1.1Ghz/256MB DDR/80GB/Superdrive/Same video/$2499
Dual 966Mhz/256MB DDR/100GB/Superdrive/Same video/$3099<hr></blockquote>

Apple MUST get away from the Dual's only on the high-end machine, especially with OSX becoming more mainstream.
The 466, 533, 667 and 733 lineup with the dual 533 in there was the best Powermac lineup Apple ever had in my opinion.

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: Bodhi ]</p>

[jethro]

[quote]Originally posted by shawk:
<strong>Alliance with IBM
Apple buys rights to G3/G4/G5/G6 and Motorola's CPU chip fabrication plants
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple would never buy those plants, they'd just do the same thing that Moto is supposedly doing now - outsource the fab process.

[Powerdoc]

my final prediction :
powermac line
appartion of the appolo G4 on a 133 mhz mobo with FW 2 and ata 100 interface (nothing more unfortunately)
single 933 mhz : 256 mb
single 1,13 ghz : 256 mb
dual 1 ghz : 512 mb ram
video geforce 4 mx.

I mac line : all ibm chips code name sahara aka 750 FX 800 mhz
just variations of the HD and the amount of ram and the type of CD reader.

100 mhz speed bump for the i book .

for the ti book : 133 mhz speed bump: all with 133 mhz mobo (667 mhz and 800 mhz).

[Vox Barbara]

Who is the chrysalis there, hence, ...

... the climax of metamorphosis into an adult can be viewed almost daily. Butterflies usually emerge from their chrysalises sometime between 9:30 a.m. and 11:30 a.m.

Maybe earlier...

[danho]

Here is a summary of what a CompUSA person told me would occur at the upcoming MWSF:

Less speculative:

1. G5 towers
2. G4, flat panel imacs
3. Dual 800 towers no longer available through stores like CompUSA
4. AMD manufacturer of G5 chip

More speculative:
1. G5 towers to 1.6 GHz
2. G5 laptop

This is the same guy who told me a couple of months ago about flat panel imacs.

I asked him how he knew about this sensitive info. He stated that they see Apple reps all the time, and they pump each one for info. It only takes a single "weak link" to "spill the beans".

Personally, I'm curious to see if he really does have some inside info.

[danho]

[quote]Originally posted by danho:
<strong>Here is a summary of what a CompUSA person told me would occur at the upcoming MWSF:

Less speculative:

1. G5 towers
2. G4, flat panel imacs
3. Dual 800 towers no longer available through stores like CompUSA
4. AMD manufacturer of G5 chip

More speculative:
1. G5 towers to 1.6 GHz
2. G5 laptop

This is the same guy who told me a couple of months ago about flat panel imacs.

I asked him how he knew about this sensitive info. He stated that they see Apple reps all the time, and they pump each one for info. It only takes a single "weak link" to "spill the beans".

Personally, I'm curious to see if he really does have some inside info.</strong><hr></blockquote>

[danho]

The prediction about not selling dual 800 setups at CompUSA et al. It makes more sense if it is interpreted to mean that there will not be MP configurations at your typical retail stores.

[SpiffyGuyC]

Apple doesn't tell sales reps about unreleased products. Sorry.

[MacMan]

Power Macs

Base model (Fast) and standards

933MHz G4
60gig HD ATA 100
384 DDR RAM
Whatever Apple has now (haven't checked recently but I think it's a nVidia GeForce 2)
Combo drive
$1599

Very Fast

1.0GHz G4
80gig HD ATA 100
512 DDR RAM
ATi Radeon 8500
Combo drive with Superdrive as BTO option
$1899, 1999 Combo, SuperDrive respectively

Faster

1.13 GHz G4
100gig HD ATA 100
768 DDR RAM
GeForce 3
SuperDrive
$2499

Fastest

1.3GHz G4
1 GB DDR RAM
100Gig HD ATA 100
GeForce 3
Superdrive
$2999

Ultimate

DP 1.3
1.5 GB DDR RAM
1x100gig HD + 1x30gig HD ATA 100
GeForce 3
Superdrive mandatory, like combo drive on current PBG4
$3499

New Severs w/speed bumps to the old kind

All rackmounted with quicksilver-LIKE enclosure, still usable with normal racks

Same speeds and HD configurations as above

Low-end - high end
933 - 1.3 DP M/GHz
1.5 - 3gig DDR RAM
GeForce 2 (Do you really need anything else)
CD-RW drive
OS X Server
built in 5" TFT Display for monitoring
$2499-$4499

Software

iMovie 3
allows for 2nd video track, dozens of transitions, effects

iEdit
Photo editing software like Adobe PhotoDeluxe

"Something else insanely great coming soon" (ie. PhotoStudio Pro, at MWTokyo)

Announce Future planned uptdate to iTunes, to include easy to add (read: without ResEdit) skins

Preview of Photoshop X/7

Preview OS 9.3/5 and X.2/5
Spring-loaded folders
everything seen in the 10.2 Article

iBook
Upgrade cache to 512k

PowerBook
No changes

Monitors
Price reductions across the board
New 24" display requiring new ADC II graphics card ($100)
$2999

Other

iPod remote
$20 for current iPod owners, (S&H) free with new iPods

"One Last Thing"

LCD iMac with same enclosure as current one, with a 15" TFT display and PCI (and maybe AGP) slots where the CRT was.

Fast

700Mhz G3 processor
128 RAM PCI 133
40gig HD (7200 RPM, since there is more room for air circulation)
GeForce 2 or current Radeon
DVD or CD-RW drive, upgradable to Combo
$999, $1199 with combo

Faster

800MHz G3
256 RAM
40gig HD
GeForce 2
Combo Drive
$1399

Fastest

900Mhz G3
512 RAM
60gig HD
GeForce 3 or Radeon 8500
Combo Drive
$1599

Last but not least
New Apple Surround Sound wireless speakers
This one speaks for itself
$249

This plus all the usual "State-of-the-Mac" speeches, Photoshop shootouts, demonstrations, etc. should fill in the nice large time block. Personally, with exception of the G5 (which I thought was planned for this expo until the G4 rebate thing got extended a month), I think this is going to be the best event since the introduction of the iMac.

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: MacMan ]</p>

[TigerWoods99]

Why would a low end PowerMac get a GeForce 2 MX while the iMac gets a GeForce 3? sorry, but no way on those graphics cards.

[Spart]

-=Power Macs=-
-Consumer-

Faster

1.2 GHz PowerPC G5
60 GB HD ATA 100
256 MB DDR RAM
GeForce 3
Combo Drive
$1599

Fastest

1.6 GHz PowerPC G5
80 GB HD ATA 100
256 MB DDR RAM
GeForce 4
Superdrive
$2199

Ultimate

Dual 1.4 GHz PowerPC G5's
100 GB HD ATA 100
256 MB DDR RAM
GeForce 4
SuperDrive
$2999

-Server-

Fast

Mac OS X Server
1.2 GHz PowerPC G5
512MB DDR RAM
100 GB ATA 100
CD-RW drive
Nvidia GeForce2 MX
2 USB & 2 Firewire ports, 1 Gigawire port
$2799

Faster

Mac OS X Server
1.6 GHz PowerPC G5
1 GB DDR RAM
100 GB ATA 100
CD-RW drive
Nvidia GeForce2 MX
2 USB & 2 Firewire ports, 1 Gigawire port
$3799

Ultimate

Mac OS X Server
Dual 1.4 GHz PowerPC G5's
2 GB DDR RAM
2x100 GB ATA 100
CD-RW drive
Nvidia GeForce2 MX
2 USB & 2 Firewire ports, 1 Gigawire port
$4799

-=Software=-

Mac OS X Now Default OS

iMovie 3

iDVD 3

DVD Studio Pro 2

iPicture

Photoshop 7

Mac OS 9.3

Mac OS X 10.2

-=iBook=-

No changes

-=PowerBook G4=-

No changes

-=Monitors=-

15" @ $499

17" @ $799

22" @ $1799

&gt;One Last Thing&lt;

-=iMac=-

15" LCD iMac w/new case, iPod-like coloring.

Fast

667 MHz G4 PowerPC
128 MB RAM
40 GB ATA 100
GeForce 2
CD-RW Drive
2 USB & 2 Firewire ports, 1 Gigawire port
$999

Faster

733MHz G4 PowerPC
256 MB RAM
60 GB ATA 100
GeForce 2
Combo Drive
2 USB & 2 Firewire ports, 1 Gigawire port
$1299

Fastest

867MHz G4 PowerPC
256 RAM
80 GB HD ATA 100
GeForce 2
SuperDrive
2 USB & 2 Firewire ports, 1 Gigawire port
$1599

If that iMac line comes out...Fastest, here I come.

[CosmoNut]

top

[foamy]

G5 = NO!!!!!
1.2 +Ghz G4 = Yes
New Powermac = Yes
New iMac = duh
New Displays = Yes
G4 iMac = NO
OSX update = NO

[BRussell]

PowerMac:
Apollo G4s, up to around 1.1Ghz.
Nothing else new - no new cases, memory speed, or anything else.

iMac:
15" LCD, G3 800Mhz
Slot-load DVD/CDRW combo drive
Starting at $1299
Nothing else new - no Superdrives, entertainment centers, removable tablet screens, etc.
Old iMacs will stay around for a while at sub-$1000 prices.

[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: BRussell ]</p>

[nathan22t]

One thing we must realize is that Steve will put out the fastest chips possible. He knows that Apple screwed up the last MacWorld and that they must come in with some major announcements. The cases for the PM and the imac are still quite functional, but are dated compared to the rest of the line. The imac will be as amazing as you are expecting. A very small footprint and a very clean, polished look. The PM case should finally be all new to go along with the G5. Expect as considerable of a shrink in size as possible, while keeping the same expandability. The motherboard on QuickSilver is considerably smaller than the model it replaced as one can plainly see. QuickSilver was obviously a last minute back-up plan that only got some of what is coming in the true next-gen product that we will see at MacWorld. The speeds of the chips can in no way be judged by any rational means without info from IBM, MOT or Apple. However, some very revealing generalizations can be extracted from the persona of Steve Jobs. The alleged quote regarding his anger as he stepped off stage from MacWorld NY, in addition to his performance and mood on stage. And his recent quote regarding this MacWorld being the most exciting ever. There have been rumors of Apple perhaps shipping G5 machines at well over a Ghz. I don’t see this in any way to be overly optimistic when one considers that Apple has reportedly had a hand in developing it.

[ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: nathan22t ]</p>

[Kins Collins]

What will Steve Jobs reveal at MWSF 2002?

In my view, guesses should be justified in some way, otherwise how do they differ from the prognostic ranting of schizophrenics? On the other hand, I'm perplexed by those posters who do justify their predictions, but in an unrealistic way, by saying things like "Based on how long the G4 has been out, a G5 MUST appear," or "Apple MUST release a Power Mac faster than 1 GHz; otherwise they are ruined," or "Why does Apple hold back? Why don't they just release a Mac at 1 GHz? They must." But what if there is no over-1 GHz CPU available for Apple to use, or there is one but it dissipates 100 Watts, or costs $1,000? Apple can only sell what Motorola and IBM provide. Either there is no suitable faster-than-867 MHz chip for Apple to use (then they surely can't release a computer with one inside), or there IS such a chip (in which case you can be sure that they will use it). Some posters are requiring Apple to do the impossible, and for reasons that Apple as a successful business entity surely does not follow.

I have my own list of guesses as to what will be revealed in MWSF 2002, but I also give here my justifications for my educated guesses (or at least I give a URL to the place where a degree of justification will be found). First the guesses.

-iMac
7460-G4 (Apollo)
1.0 - 1.2 GHz
15-in. flat panel display, 266 DDR memory bus

-iBook
750fx-G3 (Sahara)
1.0 GHz
no other change

-PowerBook
7460-G4 (Apollo)
1.0 GHz
266 DDR memory bus

-Professional-Desktop
8500-G5
1.2 GHz, 1.4 GHz, 1.6 GHz, dual 1.0 GHz, quad 1.0 GHz
All prof. desktop models --
(a.) 400-MHz (100x4) QDR front-side bus,
(b.) "Gigawire", which is either RapidIO (for connecting multiple CPUs), or 1600 MHz fibre-optic FireWire,
(c.) FireWire 2,
(d.) USB 2,
(e.) Bluetouth

-Prof-Desktop CONCEPT DEMO ("model coming later")
8500-G5
quad 2.8 GHz
Should reach equiv. SPEC2000 of 7600 (11 times a 2-GHz P4)

-Rack-mount server-Mac, U1 or U2 size
8500-G5
multi 0.8 GHz
(a.) Headless, no video,
(b.) Controlled via AirPort and rlogin by an iBook,
(c.) RapidIO backplane for up to 32 CPU-cards in 1 box, big powersupply, big fan,
(d.) Cheap but powerful, an Itanium killer.

The principle followed in my guesses:
I have no "inside information", but Apple will use in 2002 starting in January or February, whichever advanced PPC CPUs are available in sufficient quantities and whichever are suitable, given the constraints of price and heat-dissipation, for a given model. So what one needs to know in order to make an informed guess, is what PPC chips will be available in Jan. 2002 for Apple to choose from; here my chart (URL below) is serviceable. This chart was the basis for my choice of Apollo, Sahara, and G5 in Apple's January 2002 machines -- "Intel Designs vs the PowerPC Family":
<a href="http://www.bayarea.net/~kins/AboutMe/CPUs.html" target="_blank">http://www.bayarea.net/~kins/AboutMe/CPUs.html</a>

Quad 2.8-GHz G5:
Regarding the seemingly fantastical idea of a quad 2.8-GHz G5 demo-model being possible today, consider this: apparently a very small percentage of chips on Motorola's G5 wafers test good at 2.8 GHz; why not use them for something, even when the mem bus and other system components would not to able to show off the quad-G5 setup to its best advantage, and the insufficient yields prohibit their being the basis of a product at this time?

Kins Collins

[Anders]

http://www.macedition.com/partingshot/partingshot_20011228.jpg

[gfeier]

As the resident pessimist here, here's my final prediction - and something to watch for:

I expect fast Apollo G4s in the Power Macs simply because the G5s were not finalized in time to design, test and produce a new system. What I'm going to be looking at is the case. If it's a whole new design, don't expect the G5s until MWNY. If, however, it's a modified Quicksilver case, then I would look for the G5s around April.

As for the G5s, here's AtAT's latest word posted on 12/28:

"Sorry, folks; the bad news is that we now have incontrovertible proof that the Power Mac G5 will not debut a week from Monday at the Macworld Expo super-special day-early Stevenote. "

[ 12-29-2001: Message edited by: gfeier ]</p>

[ap]

POWERMACS:

866 Mhz G4
1.133 Ghz G4
dual 1.0 Ghz G4

lowend is the current G4 processor and mobo. The others are Apollo's + ddr ram.

FLAT PANEL WIDE SCREEN IMAC:

733 Mhz G4/ 128MB/ CD-RW / 15.2" / GEFORCE2MX
733 Mhz G4/ 256MB/ COMBO / 15.2" / GEFORCE2MX
733 MHZ G4/ 256MB/ SUPERDRIVE / 15.2"/ GEFORCE2MX

all white 'snow'ish color


IPHOTO:

photo software similar to ACDSEE + Iview multimedia, just more simple.


FIRMWAREUPGRADE TO IPOD:

the ability to store photos and video from digital camera's and dv-camera's with firewire.


thats it.


ap

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: ap ]</p>

[apple.otaku]

[quote]Originally posted by gfeier:
<strong>
As for the G5s, here's AtAT's latest word posted on 12/28:

"Sorry, folks; the bad news is that we now have incontrovertible proof that the Power Mac G5 will not debut a week from Monday at the Macworld Expo super-special day-early Stevenote. "
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah but you read that wrong just as I did. Their incontrovertible proof was that Apple was already selling G5s thanks to a typo:

[quote]<strong>
"But get happy, because the good news is that the very same evidence indicates that if you act fast and you've got money to burn, you can buy not one, but two G5s-- and not ten days from now, but today."
</strong><hr></blockquote>

It was just a joke. Back to square one I guess...

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: apple.otaku ]</p>

[BRussell]

[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
<strong>It was just a joke. Back to square one I guess...</strong><hr></blockquote>True, but if you look back at <a href="http://www.appleturns.com/episode/?id=3461" target="_blank">this one</a>, AtAT has clearly come out against G5s.

[TigerWoods99]

Why would Apple say it will be an event you won't want to miss blah blah blah for some lousy Apollos up to 1 GHz? Does Steve smoke that much crack?

[BuonRotto]

This comes up all the time, and the lesson never seems to sink in. Apple marketing, like all other marketing departments in the world doesn't advertise events as, "OK, but nothing too important." They ALWAYs say, "You won't want to miss it!" It means nothing. They are not making hints, prophesies, ranking the importance of the announcements or anything else that you can take as being more or less important than any other press release. It's a keynote, it gets hyped. Don't take too much on faith.

[fluppy]

[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>This comes up all the time, and the lesson never seems to sink in. Apple marketing, like all other marketing departments in the world doesn't advertise events as, "OK, but nothing too important." They ALWAYs say, "You won't want to miss it!" It means nothing. They are not making hints, prophesies, ranking the importance of the announcements or anything else that you can take as being more or less important than any other press release. It's a keynote, it gets hyped. Don't take too much on faith.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Generally agree with you about the keynote gets hyped, but...

A foundational aspect of Marketing is credibility. The best marketers understand this in their very fabric.

Words are chosen very carefully, meaning, their is a reason why the word breakthrough is chosen vs. the word revolutionary.

[Programmer]

Yes keynotes get hyped, but rarely are they bumped up a day (forcing all attendees to reschedule their plans) and increased in length to 2.5 hours. If Steve doesn't have some cool toys to talk about at length then he is going to be standing in front of a bored, disappointed, and pissed off audience... which is what happened to him at MWNY and he wasn't happy about that at all! So for him to do this means he feels that he's got something to show off.

I had a dream last night, so it is no doubt wishful thinking but who knows maybe its a prophecy:

- Low-end iMac, current CRT design, 800-900 MHz G3, geForce2 MX, GigaWire (=1394b), USB2, 133MHz SDRAM, $799.

- 3 iMac models w/ new LCD design. One piece unit of stunning design and small proportions. "I can't believe that's a whole computer" kind of reaction. Apollo G4s in all of them, ranging from 800-900 MHz to low GHz. 133MHz SDRAM, geForce2 MX, GigaWire, USB2. SuperDrives all around. Prices same as current iMac models.

- iBooks get speed bump to 800-900 MHz.

- Titanium now available in 2 models, the current one and a new faster one which uses Apollo G4 and speed bumps 100-200 MHz.

- Low-end PowerMac with fast Apollo G4 (low GHz), large L3 cache, 266 MHz DDR memory (&gt;128 MB of it), AGP 4x, geForce2 MX, GigaWire, USB2, SuperDrive. Priced as current low-end model. Case is same as current one.

- Other PowerMac models have 4 slots that can hold one G5 each. There are 3 pre-determined configurations (which saves you a bit of money and means you can walk out of the store with it), but AppleStores & online can do a build-to-order thing. Available G5 speeds are from 1.0 - 2.0 GHz (with pricing getting to insane levels at the high end, along with long delivery times). G5's performance at a given clock rate is double that of the G4 on the same code, triple if its recompiled for the G5. It is a 64-bit chip, but will run in 32-bit mode until MacOS X 10.2 arrives this summer. HyperTransport connections to the DDR memory controller which can use either 266 MHz DDr or 333 MHz DDR memory (must all be of same type, however). AGP 8x, geForce3 or 4, GigaWire, USB2, SuperDrive. Case design is beautiful, functional, and innovative. Rack-mount case will be available. Pricing starts at around mid-range PowerMac levels and goes WAY up from there.

Okay, the last one isn't going to happen... but we can probably safely say its not going to be better than that. Its important to establish where the limits are. :)

[Paul]

[quote]Originally posted by foamy:
<strong>G5 = NO!!!!!
1.2 +Ghz G4 = Yes
New Powermac = Yes
New iMac = duh
New Displays = Yes
G4 iMac = NO
OSX update = NO</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think that the G5 and G4 iMac are @ least possible with the G4 iMacs having a better chance of happeneing then G5 PMs... Also os has to be updated to take advantage of new hardware, no major update is what you mean i think....

My NEW predictions:
PM: new case (w/max ram of 4gig and 2nd 5.25 bay) except low end (old case)

1064 g5 same as current mid-range (old bus, ram, and cache and everything like that) only no superdrive, cdrw $1599 NO SUPERDRIVE OPTION, just CDRW and combo upgrade

1.2 g5 new bus and ddrram 256, usb2?, fw 2 (aka gigawire), 80gig , superdrive, geforce3 $2299

1.4 g5 same as above w/100 gig superdrive 2? and 512 ram, GeForce 3 $2799

1.2 dual g5 same as above ATI Radeon 8500 $3499

new speakers??/built-in sound? 5.1 surround possible w/BTO?

iMac:
After readting pscate's thread, i have decided that it is possible that the iMac will be in a cube or non all in one form factor, but the low end will still be the same: CRT $799. If cube's form factor, it may drive the price up $150 each when bundled with the 15" display. $100 if not cube. You can do the price changes in your head, im not going to change each one b/c I still think an all in one iMac is possible.

867G4, 133 bus, Ti book screen across the line, slot-load?? (FW2, USB2?)

except low end: 800G4 40gig 128 ram, Crt Cdrom current form factor 16mb rage128, $799

CDRW-40gig, 128, 16mb rage128-$999

CDRW-40gig, 256, 16or32mb geforce2mx- $1299

Combo(8x)-60gig, 256, 16or32mb geforce2mx- $1499

SUPERDRIVE-60gig, 256, 16or32mb geforce2mx- $1799

Displays:
15-$499
17-$899
17widescreen-$1099 OR 19-$1199
22widescreen-$2199
perm promo-$100 bundle rebate with PM except w/15", $300 with 22widscreen model

iBook: only one change, combo drive updated to 8x (possible if no g5 or g4 iMac, if either are updated, this probably wont happen)

PB: no change

OS: 9.2.3 for new hardware, no new features.
10.1.3(5?) for new hardware, SLF??, other goodies, and new software below.

One more thing: iPhoto or iOrganize both?

iPhoto: what everyone has been saying, import images, export to iTools/iDisk, albums, crop, rotate, red-eye, etc.

iOrganize: Replaces palm software, contacts,(import from entourage/mail.app) etc. palm conduit, also organizes media-movies, pics, tunes, etc.

-Paul

Edit: typo

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: psantora ]

Edit: update

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: psantora ]

Edit: stupid Apple.com page....

[ 01-01-2002: Message edited by: psantora ]</p>

[Mac Sack Black]

Why does everyone seem to think that the Sahara is shipping Jan/Feb? Follow some PDF linkage on IBM's processor site (forget the url) and I recall that it said that the Sahara was "sampling January" or february. Certainly not coming out before ~april-may?

[Paul]

[quote]Originally posted by Mac Sack Black:
<strong>Why does everyone seem to think that the Sahara is shipping Jan/Feb? Follow some PDF linkage on IBM's processor site (forget the url) and I recall that it said that the Sahara was "sampling January" or february. Certainly not coming out before ~april-may?</strong><hr></blockquote>

This only supports that there will be a g4 iMac and no iBook update, but this is not a discussion thread, so lets drop it....
-Paul

[Cobra]

Okay, here goes.

Powermacs:

Lowend:

933 MHZ G4
256 MB ram
60 GB HD
Superdrive
GeForce 2 MX
Will incorporate new bus and faster firewire!
Price: $1699.00

Mid-range:

1.2 GHZ G4
256 MB ram
80 GB HD
Superdrive
GeForce 3
Will incorporate new bus and faster firewire!
Price: $2599.00

Highend:

1.1 GHZ G4 Dualie
512 MB ram
100 GB HD
Superdrive
GeForce 3
Will incorporate new bus and faster firewire!
Price: $3499.00

Case will remain basically the same. Maybe a slight tweak or two.

Displays:

15" ASD - $499.00
17" ASD - $799.00
22" ASD - $1999.00


iMacs:

Lowend:

700 MHZ G3
15" LCD
128 MB ram
40 GB HD
CDR-W drive
GeForce 2 MX
Price: $1099.00

Midrange:

800 MHZ G3
15" LCD
256 MB ram
60 GB HD
Combo Drive
GeForce 2 MX
Price: $1299.00

Highend:

900 MHZ G3
15" LCD
256 MB ram
80 GB HD
Combo Drive
Ge Force 2 MX
Price: $1499.00


Software:

New iPhoto Application
Maybe iMovie 3
Maybe AppleWorks 7

Oh, and "One more thing (tm)"

Not a clue what it could be.

A 1 GHZ+ Powermac is NOT a big deal. A G5 WOULD be.

An iMac with LCD screen will look slick as a babies behind but it is NOT a big deal.

What is being hyped here?

I am being purposely conservative on my hardware predictions. If the event exceeds these, I will be a happy camper.

I WILL NOT OVER ANTICIPATE!

:)

Oh, and NO iBook or Powerbook announcements.

NO tablets.

NO PDA's!

Sorry guys, ain't going to happen.

Cobra

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: Cobra ]</p>

[BRussell]

[quote]Originally posted by Mac Sack Black:
<strong>Why does everyone seem to think that the Sahara is shipping Jan/Feb? Follow some PDF linkage on IBM's processor site (forget the url) and I recall that it said that the Sahara was "sampling January" or february. Certainly not coming out before ~april-may?</strong><hr></blockquote>Yes, and it is also not gonna be 1Ghz. It starts at 700Mhz, with 1Ghz later in 2002.

<a href="http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/news/2001/1017_750fx.html" target="_blank">http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/news/2001/1017_750fx.html</A>

That's why I think the iMac will be closer to 700Mhz, maybe 800Mhz if the 750cxe goes up that high. Sahara will be great for the iBook later in 2002, because it's even smaller and less-power consuming than the current G3.

They won't use a G4 in the iMac because of cost - the G3 chip is still much cheaper, and with LCD screens, they have to cut costs somewhere or the thing is going to be over $2000.

Remember, the current high-end iMac is $1499, with just a CRT monitor, just a CDRW drive, and just a 700Mhz processor. No way they can add that slot-loading combo drive from the TiBook, an LCD screen, AND a G4, and keep their margins.

[macXusr]

well now that we are a week away about i will lay my predictions on the line. i will be somewhat fague on since it seems no one knows the whole truth:

OS X will lead off keynote. minor upgrade possibly. #s of users... blah blah blah...update on aps that are native or will be updated between MWSF and MWNY...blah blah blah

re-cap of apple apps. mayabe we will finally see iPhoto.

begin hardware intro:
I honestly believe we will finally learn what GigaWire is and how Apple has begun to intergrate it into their products- this may also lead us to a new consumer based product (a la iPod)

into pro hardware:
PowerBook- nothing. just a recap of the recent std combo drive message

we will then see upgraded PowerMacs that will break the GHz mark finally! but if they are G4 or G5 is to be seen. either seems to be a possiblity right now. some reports say that Mot has the PowerPC 8500 chip and it is running at decent speeds, but I do not think the use of the G4 chip will end at 867MHz for Apple. If they do have G5 processors I do expect the case/form factor will change also. Don't foget the Photoshop 7 bake off...

now consumer hardware:
iBook- most likely nothing. but we can always hope for a speed bump to 700, a color other than white, and better graphics

and "one last thing":
we will see flat panel iMacs. they have dropped CRT from the monitor line and it is now time to say goodbye to it in the product line. what speeds these machines will run at is a mystery. here is my concern- IBMs processor roadmap has the 750CXe only going to 700MHz, the current iMac maximum. IBM had just announced 750FX (700MHz - 1.0GHz) in October, with samples of these chips going out in January 02- so either IBM will pull a fast one and they are further along with their chips or ???, this scenario i think leaves the door open for a G4 based iMac. This new iMac will also give us more light on what Steve's idea of the "digital hub" is....

[E¡R¡EL]

My predictions for Macworld San Francisco 2002

Education line:
$699 iMac Indigo
15" CRT
600 Mhz G3 Sahara
133 Mhz System Bus
256 kb L2 Cache running at full processor speed
128 MB PC 133 Mhz SDRAM
20 GB ULTRA ATA drive 5400 rpm
CD-ROM
ATI RAGE 128 w/ 16 MB
Mac OS 10.2
2 USB & 2 Firewire
56 kbps V.90 modem
10/100 ethernet

Consumer line:
$999 iMac
The same except for:
15" TFT 1024x768 LCD display
CD-RW
NVidia GeForce 2 MX w/ 32mb

$1299 iMac
The same except for:
800 Mhz G3 Sahara
256 MB PC 133 Mhz SDRAM
40 GB Ultra ATA drive 5400 rpm
Combo drive CD-RW/DVD

$1499 iMac
The same except for:
1 Ghz G3 Sahara
60 GB Ultra ATA drive 7200 rpm

Prosumer line:
$1299 Cube (or similar)
700 Mhz G4 Apollo
200 Mhz System Bus
256 kb L2 cache running at full processor speed
256 MB DDR RAM
40 GB Ultra ATA drive 7200 rpm
Combo drive
NVidia GeForce 2 MX w/ 32 MB
Mac OS 10.2
56 kbps V.90 modem
10/100 ethernet
2 USB & 2 Firewire
1 AGP 4x slot

$1499 Cube (or similar)
the same except for:
Superdrive CD-RW/DVD-RW

Professional line:
$1799 PowerMac G4
The same except for:
900 Mhz G4 Apollo
256 KB L2 cache and 2 MB L3 cache running at full processor speed
60 GB Ultra ATA drive 7200 rpm
4 PCI & 1 AGP 4X slots

$2499 PowerMac G4
The same except for:
1.1 Ghz G4 Apollo
512 MB DDR RAM
80 GB Ultra ATA drive 7200 rpm
NVidia GeForce 3 w/ 64 MB

$2999 PowerMac G4
The same except for:
Dual 1.1 Ghz G4 Apollo
100 GB Ultra ATA drive 7200 rpm

LCD Displays:
$499 15" 1024x768 TFT
$799 17" 1280x1024 TFT
$1999 22" 1600x1200 TFT

New Mac OS 10.2

New iSoftware: either iMovie 3, iPhoto, iMessenger (which I think would be great if it allowed to have iMessenger, ICQ, MSN, AOL and Yahoo contacts, using your mac.com account) iMessenger 2 could incorporate voice chat, and imessenger 3 video chat.

WAKE-UP ARGENTINA!!!
DESPIERTA ARGENTINA!!!

[palple]

That's what i know.

No new PowerMac for now, but a G5 in february (which will be demoed)
iBook and iMac will be updated with new G3 processors, but the iMac higher end models won't be available soon (you know that Qanta is said to start production this month and IBM is going to start it's 750FX production this month too)

The iBook will get only updated processors, while the iMac will be totally updated (133Mhz system bus, GeForce 2MX, HD up to 80GB, lcd screen)

The PowerBook will get an Apollo: the 550 model it's going to disappear and will be replaced by the 667Mhz; a new 867 Mhz will be the high end.

As i said, no new powermac shipping in january, but a G5 will ship in february.

See you next week. ;)

[CosmoNut]

Top o' the message board to ya'!

[suckfuldotcom]

When did we start predict for MWSF 2003?

Some of you people are in for a RUDE letdown in six days.....

SdC

[sarasotabob]

Here is my evaluation of what could be on tap for MWSF:
Low end iMac?$699
700 MHz G3 in same form factor
100 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC100 SDRAM
20 GB Hard Drive, Slot loading 24 x CD-ROM
Two USB Ports, two 400 Firewire
ATI Rage 128 Ultra, AGP 2X

LCD iMAC $999
15" LCD Display
800 MHz 7450 G4
133 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC133 SDRAM
40 GB Hard Drive, CD-ROM
Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport

LCD iMAC $1,199
15" LCD Display
900 MHz 7450 G4
133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133 SRAM
60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport

LCD iMAC $1,499
15" LCD Display
1 GHz 7450 G4
133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133 SDRAM
80 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport

Low end Powerbook $2,199
Same form factor
733 MHz 7450 G4
133 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC133 SDRAM
30 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM w/DVD-Video
Two USB Ports, one 400 Firewire
ATI Mobility Radon
Built in Airport

Powerbook $2,999
Same form factor
900 MHz Apollo 7460 G4
400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC 266DDR-SRAM
40 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM w/DVD-Video
Two USB 2 Ports, Two 800 Firewire
Book E Core
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gigawire

Powerbook $3,299
Same form factor
1.13 GHz Apollo 7460 G4
400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC 266DDR-SRAM
60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
Two USB 2 Ports, Two 800 Firewire
Book E Core
NVIDIA GeForce3 w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gigawire

Power Mac G5 $2,199
Same form factor
1 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
40 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM w/DVD-Video
Two USB Ports, Two 800 Firewire
Book E Core
NVIDIA GeForce3 and 64MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gigawire

Power Mac G5 $2,999
Same form factor
1.4 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
Two USB Ports, Two 800 Firewire
Book E Core
NVIDIA GeForce3 w/twinview and 64MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gigawire

Power Mac G5 $3,699
Same form factor
Duel 1.2 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
400 MHz system bus, 512 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
80 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
Two USB Ports, Two 800 Firewire
Book E Core
NVIDIA GeForce3 w/twinview and 64MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gigawire

IBook-same form factor
Speed bump to 700MHz

Possible Surprise. If shortneck iMAC unfolds the LCD iMAC specifications will change to that listed below and fills the Cube's marketing slot, look for the new iTablet? to position between the iBook and the Powerbook

Revolution iMAC 700MHz Sahara G3$799
New all in one iMac form factor
17" Short neck CRT
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
20 GB Hard Drive, 24xCD-ROM
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
2 USB & 2 FireWire 800
Built in Airport

800MHz Sahara G3 $999
17" Short neck CRT
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
30 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
2 USB & 1 FireWire 800 Port
Built in Airport

900MHz Sahara G3 $1099
17" Short neck CRT
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
40 GB Hard Drive, CD/RW
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
2 USB & 1 FireWire 800 Port
Built in Airport

LCD iMAC would then be positioned as the cube's replacement. priced $1,199, $1,399 & $1,599

LCD iMAC $1,199
15" LCD Display, 17? LCD Display add $200
800 MHz 7450 G4
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
40 GB Hard Drive, CD-ROM
Book E Core
Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gigawire

LCD iMAC $1,199
15" LCD Display, 17? LCD Display add $200
900 MHz 7450 G4
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
Book E Core
Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gagawire

LCD iMAC $1,499
15" LCD Display, 17? LCD Display add $200
1 GHz 7450 G4
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
80 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
Two USB Ports, two 800 Firewire
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gigawire

New at MWT in March

iBook G3 $1,299
new form factor
800MHz Sahara G3
13? screen
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
20 GB Hard Drive, 24xCD-ROM
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
2 USB & 1 FireWire 800
Built in Airport
Gigawire


iBook G3 $1,499
new form factor
900MHz Sahara G3
13? screen
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
30 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
2 USB & 1 FireWire 800
Built in Airport
Gigawire

iBook G3 $1,599
new form factor
900MHz Sahara G3
13? screen
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
40 GB Hard Drive, CD-RW
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
2 USB & 1 FireWire 800
Built in Airport
Gigawire

iBook G3 $1,699
new form factor
1 GHz Sahara G3
13? screen
400 MHz system bus, 128 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
60 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
NVIDA GeForce 2MX w/32MB of SDRAM
2 USB & 1 FireWire 800
Built in Airport
Gigawire

Powerbook $3,699
Same form factor
1.2 GHz Goldfish 8500 G5
15.1? screen
400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC 266DDR-SRAM
80 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
Two USB 2 Ports, Two 800 Firewire
Book E Core
NVIDIA GeForce3 w/TwinView and 64MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gigawire

ITablet? if not introduced at MWSF $1,899
800 MHz Goldfish 8500 G5
400 MHz system bus, 256 MB PC266 DDR-SRAM
40 GB Hard Drive, DVD-ROM/CD-RW
Detachable screen
Enhance handwriting recognition
Two USB Ports, Two 800 Firewire
Book E Core
NVIDIA GeForce3 and 64MB of SDRAM
Built in Airport
Gigawire

[CosmoNut]

Anyone care to revise after our recent "Beyond the rumor sites" teaser?

[CosmoNut]

I like TOP hats!

[Outsider]

PowerMac

G5 64bit processor:
dual core, 512KB L2 shared cache, 400MHz RapidIO bus
built-in memory controller for DDR333 or DDR266 SDRAM
1.2, 1.4, 1.6GHz speeds
256MB RAM; 16GB maximum; 4 slots.
4 PCI-X slots; 1 AGP 8X slot
Gb Ethernet; built-in airport 2
3.2Gb Firewire; one optical port, 2 standard.
All new case.

iMac

1GHz G4 all models
15.2" LCD with nVidia GeForce 3MX graphics
256MB PC133 SDRAM; 1.5GB max; 3 slots
Built-in airport.
3.2Gb Firewire; one optical port, 2 standard.
All new case.

iBook

1GHz G3 all models
256MB PC100 SDRAM

PowerBook

1GHz G4 all models
256MB PC133 SDRAM

Cinema Displays

17", 19", 24"
New cases.

iSlave

Your own robotic slave.
G5 at 1.6GHz
16GB or RAM with 200GB long term storage.

[thesilent]

This is my run of the Keynote. After the usual comments about iPod sales, iBook sales, and the feature bump on the powerbooks, His Steveness discusses the history of the iMac and its need for an evolution:
iMac II
1ghz G4 Apollo
133 mhz bus
256 MB Ram
Geforce 2 (integrated)
15.1 LCD
Improved sound system (5.1 & built in Sub?)
DVD, Combo, Superdrive

Then His Steveness Discusses some new software to be bundled with the iMac II

OS X 10.2
Appleworks 7 (rebranded?)
iMovie 3
iPicture
Quicktime 6 and Mpeg 4

He demos an expanded iDisk, iTools, iCards, iPhotos, iDream, iTunes, etc.

Then...Steve sets the tone by
pausing...
pausing...
pausing...
and then in the most serious and chilling tone states that it is now time to "unleash the hounds".

"We've got some news for the industry...Think... Powerful!"

Powermac G5
1.2, 1.6, 1.4 Dual 64 bit
256, 512, 1 GB DDR Ram
Geforce 3 Stock
Combo, Superdrive, Superdrive

"and one more thing...OS X Server has found a new home"

Powermac G5 Rack Server
1.4 Dual 64 bit
2 GB DDR Ram
"The hub that keeps your world turning"


(no iBook or Powerbook updates, though perhaps a drop in price on the iPod)

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: thesilent ]</p>

[KidRed]

Yes! Keep the G5 predictions coming!! I can only hope that these come true :)

[Junkyard Dawg]

Powermac G5
1.0, 1.2, 1.4, dual 1.2
Same case, new color scheme, maybe some minor changes.
DDR RAM, fast bus (not 400 MHz, but fast).

LCD iMac
G4, 933, 1.066, 1.133
133 MHz bus
Lame-ass video card.
Display choice:
Display will "snap" on, connected to an ADC port+swivel arrangement. Two different sized LCD displays will be available.

This also is key, because as LCD prices drop, Apple can quickly update the screen size of the iMac with little development cost.

No changes to laptop lines.

Some new product, but I've got no idea what.

Not a PDA or a Newton II.
Not an iPhone. :rolleyes:
Not a pager.
Not a camera.

New iPhoto.

?

[KidRed]

I think the G5 would sport a totaly new case to seperate it from the G4's and QS's. Not to mention the compliants about the QS case and that it's ugly.

No, a totaly new Titanium/Metal case for the G5. It burns and toasts Pentium/Athlons so it needs to be metal :)

[mmicist]

OK, my own thoughts on what may be coming, and how.
I'm not really bothered by any updated/new iMac, I'm sure it will be gorgeous and impressive, but I want maximum processing power, and already have several displays. There may be new digital devices, but I would just be guessing wildly.

PowerMacs: I believe the G5 will debut, in a new case. The new case is, I suspect, a necessity, because the G5 will generate a lot of heat, it is fast and massive, and will readily scale to 4 processor boxes, and might be able to go higher. That also means a new power supply in the box.

Together with recent improvements in emulation techniques, it may be possible for Steve to do a photoshop bake-off showing the new machine beating a 2GHz P4 beast, and then say that it was running windows photoshop under emulation, natively it blows it away. This may be a dual processor machine, as I suspect one processor translating, one executing, could lead to huge speed improvements in emulation.

New on the display front, a choice of a detachable display, which works as a normal display when connected to the computer, but switches to an airport link when detached. When detached, the display will be suitable for general purpose programmes, web surfing etc., but will not be able to do games, full-screen video and such like. The screen will also be a touch-screen for input, with handwriting recognition and gestures, but also a wireless keyboard for more serious work.
Possibly, the screen can act as a very basic computer when completely isolated from the main computer, but is not, of itself, a PDA. The screen is optional becaused it will add considerably to the cost, but I have always wanted to be able to sit confortably in an armchair and use a powerful computer, so I would pay for it.

My 2 Eurocents worth

Michael

[Toofeu]

And long life to the Euro !!

[the Belgian waffle]

[quote]Originally posted by Toofeu:
<strong>And long life to the Euro !!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do you care? Well okay then ;)

[Big Mac]

I love these G5 predictions, so please keep them coming! Moreover, this thread seems to be more productive than the tired iWalk debate.

[Matsu]

iWalk notwithstanding, I predict HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT! on nearly every hardware front. Perhaps some significant iApps will appear, but in general people will be let down by expectations of Apple's own creation. This time they did it, not us. Rumors were actually relatively sedate until a few days ago. And it's gonna hurt them, and their stock. If they don't impress, really impress, to the level of all but the most rabid optimists, count the show a failure.

[Big Mac]

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong> [SNIP] If they don't impress, really impress, to the level of all but the most rabid optimists, count the show a failure.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple itself has inflated expectations by an order of magnitude; as you state, only Apple is to blame if the company fails to deliver. However, I remain optimistic, for the key reason that the reference points we have suggest that Apple will deliver. As another pointed out, Apple has generated similar hype only at key product introductions. Whatever Apple has for us, the company believes that this is a major event, one set apart from most every other keynote. It has to be big. Of course, on the other hand, Apple hasn't always been on the ball with its product intros: BD and FP iMacs, overpriced Cubes, lack of CD-RW options for an extended period are the major ones to come to mind. Nevertheless, Apple's betting it has something great, and I don't want to bet against SJ. . .

[anand]

People keeps thinking that "Goldfish" is the nickname for the G5 - it is not- it is the nickname for the Apollo. Get ready to be disapointed. Apple's idea of great is nobody elses!

[SpiffyGuyC]

[quote]Originally posted by anand:
<strong>People keeps thinking that "Goldfish" is the nickname for the G5 - it is not- it is the nickname for the Apollo. Get ready to be disapointed. Apple's idea of great is nobody elses!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wish people wouldn't be so eager to seal themselves inside a casket before the product is even announced. If Apple comes through with 1.6GHz machines, I doubt anyone will give too much of a sh*t what comes after the "G." Keep it in that perspective. It's all about how fast they can get - and at this point it's totally a wildcard.

-S

[GnOm]

No G5 this time, G4 Apollo up to 1GHz (but not much faster), LCD iMacs with only slightly faster G3s. The i and PowerBooks are not touched, maybe for Tokyo.
New iApp and some new iDevice and probably the all new "extended Digital Hub strategy" (whatever that is ;) ).


bye.

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: GnOm ]</p>

[SpiffyGuyC]

[quote]Originally posted by GnOm:
<strong>No G5 this time, G4 Apollo up to 1GHz (but not much faster), LCD iMacs with only slightly faster G3s. The i and PowerBooks are not touched, maybe for Tokyo.
New iApp and some new iDevice and probably the all new "extended Digital Hub strategy" (whatever that is ;) ).


bye.

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: GnOm ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Sounds like you just read MacMinute or something. That information is not accurate
;)

[jwdawso]

[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>iWalk notwithstanding, I predict HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT! on nearly every hardware front. Perhaps some significant iApps will appear, but in general people will be let down by expectations of Apple's own creation. This time they did it, not us. Rumors were actually relatively sedate until a few days ago. And it's gonna hurt them, and their stock. If they don't impress, really impress, to the level of all but the most rabid optimists, count the show a failure.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Matsu - you're just scared that Apple won't come through! SJ knows hype - you won't be disappointed!

[Mac Glue Sniffer]

[quote]Originally posted by SpiffyGuyC:
<strong>

I wish people wouldn't be so eager to seal themselves inside a casket before the product is even announced. If Apple comes through with 1.6GHz machines, I doubt anyone will give too much of a sh*t what comes after the "G." Keep it in that perspective. It's all about how fast they can get - and at this point it's totally a wildcard.

-S</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think this is especially appropriate if we get a new mobo that can drive the processors to their limits, i.e. ddr ram, ata-100 or &gt; etc. I for one would be very happy with multicore G4's and new mobo technologies.

[jwdawso]

[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>Powermac G5
1.0, 1.2, 1.4, dual 1.2
Same case, new color scheme, maybe some minor changes.
DDR RAM, fast bus (not 400 MHz, but fast).

LCD iMac
G4, 933, 1.066, 1.133
133 MHz bus
Lame-ass video card.
Display choice:
Display will "snap" on, connected to an ADC port+swivel arrangement. Two different sized LCD displays will be available.

This also is key, because as LCD prices drop, Apple can quickly update the screen size of the iMac with little development cost.

No changes to laptop lines.

Some new product, but I've got no idea what.

Not a PDA or a Newton II.
Not an iPhone. :rolleyes:
Not a pager.
Not a camera.

New iPhoto.

?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm with you! But I will add that the iMac LCD will NOT be 1024x768. It will be a widescreen because it needs more screen space, not just a bigger screen.

[GnOm]

[quote]Originally posted by SpiffyGuyC:
<strong>Sounds like you just read MacMinute or something. That information is not accurate
;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


actually not, I read this:

<a href="http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/oct2001/new-prod1.html" target="_blank">http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/oc t2001/new-prod1.html</a>

and this:

<a href="http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,568_322_23,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,568_32 2_23,00.html</a>

and came to the conclusion that 1GHz is at the top of my expectations.
Talking ´bout my hopes is a different thing though ;)


bye.

[ 01-03-2002: Message edited by: GnOm ]</p>

[Moogs]

Barring any unforseen photo leaks that are actually credible (unlike iWalk), I would say this is what we're most likely to see:

New LCD iMac, perhaps using Apollo
733, 800, 867 MHz

More Quicksilver Power Macs
800, 933 and 1GHz
Maybe new Radeon cards standard
Maybe all with Super Drive
(since they still can't get their shit together)


Speedbumped TiBooks


Demo of OS X v10.2, possibly with release date / time-frame.

[SteveS]

[quote]Originally posted by bernard:
<strong>IBM "sahara" (4stage 512L2 256bit ) is likey to BLOW past G4 7450's at similar clock speeds, in non Altivec stuff (not that there is much) should do alot for notebooks less power and way more speed. if G4's haven't scaled well? we may not see em for a while. whatever it is it better be good.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

For starters, the IBM PowerPC 750 FX, aka Sahara, has 5 stages.

It's larger L2 cache, wider internal bus, faster front side bus and additional registers are said to provide a 25% boost in performance over other G3 chips.

I wouldn't expect it to "blow" past the G4s though, even for non altivec jobs. The PowerPCs may have 2 additional instruction pipeline stages (7 vs 5), but the G4s (in the form of the 7450) also have additional Int and Altivec units. The G4's already had a better FP unit, etc. I would expect a little more parity in performance than anything else for non-altivec tasks.

Steve

[CosmoNut]

Elaine likes muffin TOPs.

[CosmoNut]

MODS AND ADMINS: PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD NOW.

Looks like a bunch of us were off on the iMac (I personally predicted a Saraha G3). We'll see about the rest. ;)

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: CosmoNut ]</p>