chicks with hairy legs...? [Archive]

709

11-04-2003, 05:59 PM

It depends. My current gf has a thin, fine coat of hair everywhere except for her shaved/and or trimmed parts. I find it very sexy.

I've only dated 2 women with hairy legs. The first had fine, short hair...nice. The second had curls longer than mine...freaked me out.

Pit hair is neither attractive or unattractive to me.

Nipple hair, on the other hand, tweaks my male dogmas to no end.

Shaved bush also freaks me out, as does cave-woman bush. A trimmed 'V' bush is sublime (none of that Hitler mustache stuff).

And yes, I trim. I am not a stinky meatbag.

...and a woman's personality is only important if she doesn't have wild hair growth everywhere. :p

709

11-04-2003, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Beige_G3
hmmmm ...perhaps this is why i like asian girls...... For all the lithe hairlessness an Asian woman is...her bush inevitably makes up for it. :p

_ alliance _

11-04-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by 709
The second had curls longer than mine...freaked me out.

yeah, that's the type that i'm talking about.

_ alliance _

11-04-2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by 709
For all the lithe hairlessness an Asian woman is...her bush inevitably makes up for it. :p

hahaha
so very true.

burningwheel

11-04-2003, 07:26 PM

not a good thing. shaved legs are sexy

Scott

11-04-2003, 07:48 PM

So what's y'alls opinion on the rest of the hair that's below the navel and above the legs;)

pfflam

11-04-2003, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Scott
So what's y'alls opinion on the rest of the hair that's below the navel and above the legs;) Like it lots

keep it real

no shaved parts and no silicon

they're on the same continuum . . .

shetline

11-04-2003, 08:12 PM

Hairy legs? What about furry? (http://pressedfur.coolfreepages.com/press/sex2k/) :D

Beige_G3

11-04-2003, 08:27 PM

yep, a bush should be a bush.....

alcimedes

11-04-2003, 08:34 PM

http://www.partydomain.co.uk/d-commerce/media/bpartwolfhands.jpg

oh

yeah

baby.

Chinney

11-04-2003, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by pfflam
Like it lots

keep it real

no shaved parts and no silicon

they're on the same continuum . . .

Exactly right.

ThunderPoit

11-04-2003, 08:55 PM

i prefer a light trim to leaving it bare or covered by a little strip

Scott

11-04-2003, 09:25 PM

Wait wait wait you guy can't tell me the legs should be smooth and anything else is wrong.

Luca

11-04-2003, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by alcimedes
http://www.partydomain.co.uk/d-commerce/media/bpartwolfhands.jpg

oh

yeah

baby.

Wild thing... da da, da da da, you make my heart sing, da da, da da da, you make everything groovy...

Aquafire, how did you get that I'm a hairy gorilla type? I don't recall saying anything to that effect here... although I sort of am. That's kind of scary.

The only allusion I made to my own hair growth is that I need to get a buzz cut every three weeks or so to keep it from getting too long. But I like to keep my hair very short. I have some mean cowlicks on the back of my head that conspire to make my hair stick straight up if it's more than an inch long.

thuh Freak

11-04-2003, 09:57 PM

i dont think its a total deal breaker unto itself, but shaved legs are preferable. as for the rest "if there's grass on the field, than the ball is in play." that reminds me, in a disgusting way, of a sickening halloween costume i saw.

personally, i'm a bit lax on shaving. i like when its a beyond a shadow and not yet beard. i once ventured to shave my gut hair, and that was a tragic accident i wont soon repeat. (no, it wasn't that bad, i'm still carryin all my parts.)

Chinney

11-04-2003, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by ThunderPoit
i prefer a light trim to leaving it bare or covered by a little strip

Now maybe some of you younger guys or ladies can fill me in. I turn 40, dammit, the day after tomorrow and am not entirely certain about current...er..customs among you wild and crazy under 30s. My question is this: Do I understand that, for young women, trimming or outright shaving of hair "below the navel and above the legs" (as one poster put it) is now the expected and done thing (as opposed to something a woman might do just to try it out on an occaison)? If so, I find this shocking. I guess that I cannot escape being an all-natural child of the 60s, but I say, "Bring on the hair!" 8)

pfflam

11-04-2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Scott
Wait wait wait you guy can't tell me the legs should be smooth and anything else is wrong. I don't mind hair on the legs or under the arms

I would mind if their was LOTS of hair
but even I would think about trimmong if I had lots of hair (and I do have a sizeable amount)

burningwheel

11-04-2003, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by Beige_G3
yep, a bush should be a bush.....
:lol: i agree

burningwheel

11-04-2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Scott
Wait wait wait you guy can't tell me the legs should be smooth and anything else is wrong.

yes we are :D i've seen women with pretty hairy legs under their stockings and it's not a pretty sight! it's pretty nasty

ThunderPoit

11-04-2003, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by Chinney
Now maybe some of you younger guys or ladies can fill me in. I turn 40, dammit, the day after tomorrow and am not entirely certain about current...er..customs among you wild and crazy under 30s. My question is this: Do I understand that, for young women, trimming or outright shaving of hair "below the navel and above the legs" (as one poster put it) is now the expected and done thing (as opposed to something a woman might do just to try it out on an occaison)? If so, I find this shocking. I guess that I cannot escape being an all-natural child of the 60s, but I say, "Bring on the hair!" 8)

i dont expect nor would i prefer it bare (cringing at memories of stubble). i simply would prefer if they take the little bit of time to keep it tidy, i do the same for them.

EmAn

11-04-2003, 10:23 PM

Women's legs should be shaved. Period.

pfflam

11-04-2003, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by EmAn
Women's legs should be shaved. Period. And they should be barefooted in the kitchen . . .
pregnant
;) :p

Chinney

11-04-2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by ThunderPoit
i dont expect nor would i prefer it bare (cringing at memories of stubble). i simply would prefer if they take the little bit of time to keep it tidy, i do the same for them.

I just ask because I recently heard a reference to not at least trimming as being "so 70s". And I am not referring to just a trim of a few hairs, but the sort of trim that transforms "bush" into "lawn".

alcimedes

11-04-2003, 10:47 PM

http://falcon.unibase.com/album/chick.jpg

sad part is this is the first thing i thought when i read the thread title.

thought it was some GM chicken thing.

sammi jo

11-04-2003, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by EmAn
Women's legs should be shaved. Period.

Well, some of us are lucky enough not to have to shave our legs to fullfil that arbitrary whim of fashion. (Personally I don't like the look of hairy legs on women, and if I had hairy legs I too would shave them, but that's just my own preference, rather unimportant and trivial).

By the way, why shouldn't guys shave *their* legs? After all, if men shave their faces, why not also their legs, or chest? Whats the deal? Or is it because many (most?) men out there are scared of being thought of as "gay" or "effeminate" because they turn out with smooth legs?

:wow:

Akumulator

11-04-2003, 11:37 PM

I only wish my girlfriend had hairy legs, or legs at all...... It's tough keeping it up while looking at those nubs.

DiscoCow

11-04-2003, 11:45 PM

I would ask her to, but if she ever got around to doing it, she would probably pop.

curiousuburb

11-05-2003, 12:03 AM

sexual dimorphism has generally meant that men are hairier than women.
traditionally, the arrival of bodily hair is a signifier of sexual maturity at puberty
hair follicles are the natural wick for a multitude of pheromonal messages that equate to "musk"
removal of such hair seems to be an attempt to mask such signals. why?

so what kind of men shave their body hair?

olympic divers/swimmers/gymnasts.
bodybuilders obsessed with self-image.
pr0n stars who don't want their oral servicer to stop to pick curlies out.
those who desire the prepubescent look.

seems like gaydar pings pretty strongly in those realms.

as for women... fine hair is preferable to stubble for many *uh* close contacts :devil:

Luca

11-05-2003, 01:17 AM

I'm basically of the opinion that you should do what you want and just try to prevent the jungle effect. I wouldn't mind if a woman doesn't shave her legs but if she has really hairy legs then maybe I would mind. You know, if she's going for the feminist look. Shaggy legs = no good. Same with the area above the legs... just keep it from turning into a forest, shorten the length with a regular scissors every couple weeks or a month maybe. Not much to ask. I do it. Just keeps things organized and comfortable. You don't want to have to wade through a "bush-fro."

Eugene

11-05-2003, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by sammi jo
Well, some of us are lucky enough not to have to shave our legs to fullfil that arbitrary whim of fashion. (Personally I don't like the look of hairy legs on women, and if I had hairy legs I too would shave them, but that's just my own preference, rather unimportant and trivial).

By the way, why shouldn't guys shave *their* legs? After all, if men shave their faces, why not also their legs, or chest? Whats the deal? Or is it because many (most?) men out there are scared of being thought of as "gay" or "effeminate" because they turn out with smooth legs?

:wow:
I don't believe you. Prove it, because ... hmm ... let's just say... nevermind...

some more reasons why I don't shave my legs:

1) that shit grows back anyway
2) it keeps me warm at night
3) I don't need any more platonic girlfriends
4) that's the only frickin' part of my body that has hair besides my head, groin and poopchute.

Aquafire

11-05-2003, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by pfflam
And they should be barefooted in the kitchen . . .
pregnant
;) :p

Errrrrm....I think you just pinched Trumptman's lines...:lol:

Powerdoc

11-05-2003, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by EmAn
Women's legs should be shaved. Period.

You are right, and for women ignoring the procedures, Groverat is ready to give lessons . .. :D

Splinemodel

11-05-2003, 02:20 AM

Just to answer te question, we men shave our faces because it has been somthing that has been done for a LONG time. That is, since the ice age, where a beard was a bad thing, as moisture clings to the beard and freezes. that is why so many of those nordic types don't have much facial or body hair. I don't know why Oriental folks are hairless. Probably has to do with a lack of protein in the diet. (that is, over thousands of years, people with lower protein requirements will survive better in places where there's so little protein in the diet.)

Something just seems weird about a woman with hairy legs and arms and no hair on the chest. When a guy is waking around at the beach, the only ones that look weird are the guys with no chest hair, but with hair elsewhere. . . and of course the ones that have hair patterns that earn them the nickname "Link." But that's an extreme case.

Granted, a woman with hairy, arms, legs, and a hairy chest would be a major turn off. So I guess the balance here is for women to shave.

Powerdoc

11-05-2003, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by Splinemodel
Just to answer te question, we men shave our faces because it has been somthing that has been done for a LONG time. That is, since the ice age, where a beard was a bad thing, as moisture clings to the beard and freezes. that is why so many of those nordic types don't have much facial or body hair. I don't know why Oriental folks are hairless. Probably has to do with a lack of protein in the diet. (that is, over thousands of years, people with lower protein requirements will survive better in places where there's so little protein in the diet.)

Something just seems weird about a woman with hairy legs and arms and no hair on the chest. When a guy is waking around at the beach, the only ones that look weird are the guys with no chest hair, but with hair elsewhere. . . and of course the ones that have hair patterns that earn them the nickname "Link." But that's an extreme case.

Granted, a woman with hairy, arms, legs, and a hairy chest would be a major turn off. So I guess the balance here is for women to shave.

Well american indians are hairless, but not so many asians even if there is common roots (while they migrate from asia to america via Berhing). Many chineses have beard.

Eugene

11-05-2003, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by Eugene

4) that's the only frickin' part of my body that has hair besides my head, groin and poopchute.
Oh, and maybe a few dozen strands in my armpits.

groverat

11-05-2003, 07:25 AM

SHAVE YOUR POOPCHUTE!

burningwheel

11-05-2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by groverat
SHAVE YOUR POOPCHUTE!

:???:

709

11-05-2003, 10:09 AM

I second that motion.

You think leg hair is unattractive? Wait until she spies those lovely dingleberries you've been carrying around all day.

(Although a trim suffices...shaving that area can be tricky at best.)

burningwheel

11-05-2003, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by 709
I second that motion.

You think leg hair is unattractive? Wait until she spies those lovely dingleberries you've been carrying around all day.

(Although a trim suffices...shaving that area can be tricky at best.)

nah. i clean throughly. i use those relatively new butt wipes things, though i suppose i could use pampers baby wipes as well :D

sammi jo

11-05-2003, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Eugene

some more reasons why I don't shave my legs:

1) that shit grows back anyway
2) it keeps me warm at night
3) I don't need any more platonic girlfriends
4) that's the only frickin' part of my body that has hair besides my head, groin and poopchute. [/B]

And the dog just ate my homework.

:)

Beige_G3

11-05-2003, 12:58 PM

This discussion has gone a very bad way....:D

AlPanther

11-05-2003, 02:16 PM

peach fuzz = ok
hairy man legs = no thank you

also no chimp arms please.

burningwheel

11-05-2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by AlPanther
peach fuzz = ok
hairy man legs = no thank you

also no chimp arms please.

:???:

you must be a female???

my arms are pretty hairy, natures way of keeping my skinny arms warm

groverat

11-05-2003, 02:31 PM

You're a good man, burningwheel. I remember thinking, as I changed a diaper for the first time, "Why the hell do we stop using these things?"

Keep trim and clean. Hygeine is good.

pfflam

11-05-2003, 02:51 PM

Too much hygiene is not a god thing and leads slowly to the loss of resistance to illness, bacteria and even to an increase in allergies

besides, the drive towards the lack of hair can be seen in a larger sense as a symptom of the denial of the bodies' animality, the denial of animal sexuality, species detirminism and ultimately the denial of death.

This dynamic can be seen as the root of misogyny in extreme forms as well as the root of culture's forms of cultural expression: attempts to bypass the bodies' inevitable decay and animal loss of egoic control (sexuality and drive to breed) through the sublimation of those drives into ART

I say: Accept the innevitable and learn to love the workings of Mother Earth . . . and, show that you do so by embracing your lovey's hairy bush!!!

groverat

11-05-2003, 03:04 PM

pfflam:

Too much hygiene is not a god thing and leads slowly to the loss of resistance to illness, bacteria and even to an increase in allergies

I should eat dog shit. That would build up some mad immunity.

besides, the drive towards the lack of hair can be seen in a larger sense as a symptom of the denial of the bodies' animality, the denial of animal sexuality, species detirminism and ultimately the denial of death.

Can it now?
Here I was thinking that it helps with the smells.

There is such a thing as over-analysis and you're about 1,000 miles past the line. Wow.

Crusader

11-05-2003, 03:06 PM

I have to say I prefer shaved legs. As a guy I shave my face occasionaly and that's it. I don't like the hair on the back of my hands/fingers/toes, but shaving that would just cause me to rub my hands all day... Once my g/f asked me to shave "down there", tried it, and was in pain for two days. I walked like a guy with 'roid problems. Never ever gonna do that again...

709

11-05-2003, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by pfflam
besides, the drive towards the lack of hair can be seen in a larger sense as a symptom of the denial of the bodies' animality, the denial of animal sexuality, species detirminism and ultimately the denial of death.
...says pfflam as his pet poodle looks to him lovingly. :p

AlPanther

11-05-2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by burningwheel
:???:

you must be a female???

my arms are pretty hairy, natures way of keeping my skinny arms warm

no i am a man, hence the disappeal of females with "hairy man legs and chimp arms"

groverat

11-05-2003, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Crusader
Once my g/f asked me to shave "down there", tried it, and was in pain for two days. I walked like a guy with 'roid problems. Never ever gonna do that again...

Did you hack at your curlies with a safety razor or something?

Use a beard Trimmer and ease your way down the guard settings. Come on, fellas, this shit ain't rocket science.

shetline

11-05-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by pfflam
I say: Accept the innevitable and learn to love the workings of Mother Earth . . . and, show that you do so by embracing your lovey's hairy bush!!!
Muse, philosophize, and analyze all you like. I'm not suddenly going to find a hairy woman (possibly with, as I can imagine you phrasing it, an "earthy aroma") attractive just because by some intellectual argument I "should" embrace our animality and mortality.

I like what I like, and I don't what I don't. Who knows what true love could get me to accept over time, but I'm not going to start down that road in the first place without finding a woman attractive, just to prove some politcal point to myself or the world.

Fellowship

11-05-2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by pfflam
Too much hygiene is not a god thing and leads slowly to the loss of resistance to illness, bacteria and even to an increase in allergies

besides, the drive towards the lack of hair can be seen in a larger sense as a symptom of the denial of the bodies' animality, the denial of animal sexuality, species detirminism and ultimately the denial of death.

This dynamic can be seen as the root of misogyny in extreme forms as well as the root of culture's forms of cultural expression: attempts to bypass the bodies' inevitable decay and animal loss of egoic control (sexuality and drive to breed) through the sublimation of those drives into ART

I say: Accept the innevitable and learn to love the workings of Mother Earth . . . and, show that you do so by embracing your lovey's hairy bush!!!

pfflam you crack me up :lol:

Fellows

giant

11-05-2003, 03:26 PM

Hairlessness is a sign of evolution.

Or at least that's how I justify being totally turned off by hair of any sort. I keep my head hair short, and I like women to do the same.

Too bad my woman doesn't always see it that way, but still. :)

As for the bush, if she's cursed with a big one, trim it. We can't expect every woman to be attracted to this (http://www.hairyback.com/gallery/view_image.php3?image_id=2) so I don't have to pretend to be attracted to that.

pfflam

11-05-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by shetline
Muse, philosophize, and analyze all you like. I'm not suddenly going to find a hairy woman (possibly with, as I can imagine you phrasing it, an "earthy aroma") attractive just because by some intellectual argument I "should" embrace our animality and mortality.

I like what I like, and I don't what I don't. Who knows what true love could get me to accept over time, but I'm not going to start down that road in the first place without finding a woman attractive, just to prove some politcal point to myself or the world. Fair enough

even Freud said that we were 'overdetirmined' . . .meaning once development sets in the ego can't turn on and off its likes and dislikes

. . . but . . . you don't know what yer missing . . . aaahhh healthy loam

giant

11-05-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by pfflam

. . . but . . . you don't know what yer missing . . . aaahhh healthy loam

So what about facial hair on a woman?

Splinemodel

11-05-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Powerdoc
Well american indians are hairless, but not so many asians even if there is common roots (while they migrate from asia to america via Berhing). Many chineses have beard.

I don't know any American indians, so I can't really tell you, but I do know that it was custom for them to shave with flint. Keep in mind that most theories have american indians coming from Siberia, and that they spent a long time during the ice age in the North during migration. I would guess that they would be fairly non-hairy in the same way that most nordics aren't too hairy.

SHAVE YOUR POOPCHUTE
Yeah f-ing right. The logistics alone are baffling. The obvious chaffing would be especially objectionable. Why not just get some duct tape and yank it out? Problems solved, no chaffing.

;)

shetline

11-05-2003, 04:50 PM

I can definitely say...

http://www.shetline.com/img/hairy_chick.jpg

...hairy chicks just don't do a thing for me.

_ alliance _

11-05-2003, 06:14 PM

a long day and i come back to this thread and find this...

wow.........

Luca

11-05-2003, 06:57 PM

http://www.funny-funny-pictures.com/free-pussy/shaved-pussy.jpg

Do you like shaved pussies...?

I just had to :D :smokey:

BuonRotto

11-05-2003, 07:43 PM

Men did use to shave their legs way back when. They used to wear high heels and makeup too. Then they realized that while we liked the way it looked, we liked the ay women looked too, so we put 2 and 2 together… That, and it was a pain in the ass, so we threw the burden on womankind. That's The Man®, always keepin' ya down. :D

Me? I kind of like a little peach fuzz. Shaved is nice too, though I like smooth legs (and other body parts I guess), and some women's legs aren't smooth after shaving, just like some men's faces. Stubble is the destroyer of all foreplay. I'm not at all into the start-at-your-sideburns-and-head-south kind of shaving though. Some grooming/trimming/shaving is a very good thing. I abhor the extremes of hair management wherever the hair may be.

Then again, with my hairy chest and legs (though I couldn't grow a mustache to save my life), I'm in no position to complain in any case. :)

alcimedes

11-05-2003, 08:29 PM

Artman @_@

11-05-2003, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by EmAn
Women's legs should be shaved. Period.

Yes. This whole topic sends me back to college where artchix would leave their legs unshaved for days. Stop it.

But I did have a Brazilian girlfriend who had hairy underarms...didn't bother me a bit.

:smokey:

DiscoCow

11-05-2003, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Artman @_@

But I did have a Brazilian girlfriend who had hairy underarms...didn't bother me a bit.

:err:

You guys are starting to creep me out.

Artman @_@

11-05-2003, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by groverat
Did you hack at your curlies with a safety razor or something?

Use a beard Trimmer and ease your way down the guard settings. Come on, fellas, this shit ain't rocket science.

Might I suggest a sterile beard trimmer...

:wow: :smokey:

Artman @_@

11-05-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by DiscoCow
:err:

You guys are starting to creep me out.

No, seriously. She wasn't hairy anywhere else it shouldn't be (head, bush) and the hair under her arms weren't 3 feet long...subtle, man...subtle.

Yeah, ok, kinky. So what? :devil:

WAIT. While I'm at it...tattoos. I don't like tattoos anymore. Used to but I've seen some B A OOtiful ladies tattooed like sailors and it's totally turned me off. Including the same old same old unicorn/heart/pinstriped ass tattoo-wannababes. Done. BORING. And most times...damn ugly.

Ok, continue...:smokey:

iBrowse

11-05-2003, 10:35 PM

I don't have a real problem with a little hair on a girl's legs, I think shaved looks better, but it's not a huge deal to have a little coming in, I just hate stubble is all. If our legs are rubbing together and the hair on hers is beating up the hair on mine, then there's a problem. I've been thinking about shaving my chest and I'd probably do my junk too while I was at it, but I know that it itches like hell when it comes back. Also, my (ex)-girlfriend thought I should, but we just broke up (read "she's being ridiculous and moody for no apparent reason") so I think I finally should just out of spite. As far as down there goes, I'd like to see *something*.

Fangorn

11-06-2003, 06:08 PM

It's good to know things haven't changed much around here. The level of discussion is as deep as ever. :)

I used to shave my entire legs, but the thigh hair is so light and thin, I quite. I still shave my lower legs, but not as much during the winter (cold = pants, who sees your hairy legs?)

pfflam

11-06-2003, 08:09 PM

Well...hurrumph

you obviously missed my analysis!!

:devil:

burningwheel

11-06-2003, 08:13 PM

how about chicks with hairy boobs? :D

a friend of mine once dated a girl with hair on her breast. he liked her alot but he couldn't deal with the hair, so he broke up with her

EmAn

11-06-2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by burningwheel
how about chicks with hairy boobs? :D

a friend of mine once dated a girl with hair on her breast. he liked her alot but he couldn't deal with the hair, so he broke up with her That's gross...

iBrowse

11-06-2003, 08:30 PM

:lol: A friend of mine hooked up with a girl that had a horrible acne problem on her breasts, but hair...?

Luca

11-06-2003, 08:35 PM

Was the hair on her nipples or actually on her chest or something?

BuonRotto

11-06-2003, 08:46 PM

It's relatively common for even women to grow some longer hair around their nipples or down the middle of their chests. Just imagine men's chest hair growth (around nipples, along the breastbone, around and under the navel, etc.) and the same applies to women, just less of it usually.

burningwheel

11-07-2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
Was the hair on her nipples or actually on her chest or something?

nipples

burningwheel

11-07-2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by BuonRotto
It's relatively common for even women to grow some longer hair around their nipples or down the middle of their chests. Just imagine men's chest hair growth (around nipples, along the breastbone, around and under the navel, etc.) and the same applies to women, just less of it usually.

true. i've seen this as well, i just remembered..

giant

11-07-2003, 02:22 PM

I was unaware of this, but apparently there is a trend of men shaving pubes. Check out what Dan Savage said this week to a doctor who has been noticing the recent trend:

Women have long felt it necessary to shave their legs, pits, forearms, wrists, backs, shins, and ankles, PUBIC. Then about 10 years ago stylish women began having their pubic hairs ripped out at the roots. Surely you've heard of the Brazilian bikini wax, Doc? The pubeless look was popularized, in my opinion, by several cultural trends: the mainstreaming of pornography; teeny-tiny bathing suits; and awful, unflattering low-rise jeans. Naturally bushy women went from trimming to li'l Hitler mustaches to complete deforestation in under a decade.

At the same time deforestation was becoming the beauty ideal for women, PUBIC, male homosexuals were taking over American cultural life. That our culture is now thoroughly dominated by gay men is not some paranoid Christian conservative's fantasy, PUBIC, but a fact of life. Queer Eye for the Straight Guy confirmed something everyone already knows: Outside of rap and hiphop culture, stylish gay men--not all gay men, mind you, just the stylish ones--are the only tastemakers. And gay men weren't content to just setting tastes in jackets and hair products and cowhide accent chairs. Hardly. We were, however subtly, setting sexual tastes as well. Out went the virile man (So long, Burt Reynolds!) and in came the vulnerable boy (Hello, Ashton Kutcher!). Soon the kind of guys most gay men want to [fiznuck] became the kind of guys most straight women want to [fiznuck], the male beauty ideal every bit as hairless as its female counterpart.

The funny thing about declaring smooth, hairless skin sexy, PUBIC, is that once you start stigmatizing some body hair--back hair, chest hair, ass hair--it's only a matter of time before all body hair is deemed unattractive. Women started having their pubes yanked out because body hair on women had long been seen as unattractive and unfeminine; once they were required to wear outfits that basically exposed everything but their vulvas, off came the pubic hair. Men began shaving off their chest hair in response to a gay-dictated male beauty ideal and gradually bought into the idea that body hair--including pubic hair--was just as unattractive on males as it was on females. And you're seeing the results of this cultural shift every time one of your 16-year-old male patients drops his drawers.

For the record, I'm not endorsing any of this. While I'm a longtime supporter of the reigning beauty ideal--I like 'em lean and hairless, always have, so I've got no complaints about the current beauty ideals, thank you very much--I know there are people out there who feel differently. Indeed, a pro-hair backlash is already under way.