The Swingle Singers

[stevegongrui]

Just came across this newly released album. Check it out!

I think it's pretty amazing and such a great price (almost 40 songs for 9.99)

What do you guys think?




http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=1122574

[stevegongrui]

NO ONE?????:???: :embarrass

[billybobsky]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
NO ONE?????:???: :embarrass

a cappella classical music. hmm. not my thing.

[stevegongrui]

Originally posted by billybobsky
a cappella classical music. hmm. not my thing.

what's wrong with a cappella classical music?

are you saying it's distasteful?

what music do you listen to? care to share?

[MacUsers]

Originally posted by billybobsky
a cappella classical music. hmm. not my thing. But it's 10 bucks for 39 songs.. sweet deal

[Akumulator]

I think my Grandma would like this.

[bauman]

No, it's still ten bucks for one CD. Each of those songs is under two minutes long...

Ah, well. It don't matter much anyways.

[stevegongrui]

Originally posted by Akumulator
I think my Grandma would like this.

Then your grandma has better taste than you do

[murbot]

No, she doesn't taste nearly as good as your Grandma does.

Is.

Err.. has.

Sorry, that music fried my ****ing mind.

*vomit*

[Wotan]

The Swingle Sisters have been around for a long time, so I think thats probably a re-release of an earlier album. I might be wrong on that but I'd be surprised to know that their still recording.

And don't fret stevegongrui, your not the only one around here with good taste in music. Frankly, I feel a bit sorry for people who haven't yet discovered the genius and brilliance of J.S. Bach. And the Swingle Sisters have certainly produced some very fresh and original interpretations of his work throughout their careers.

Thanks for introducing this under-appreciated gem to these unenlightened souls.

[Eugene]

If you like the Swingle Singers, you should also like Chanticleer.

Thanks for introducing this under-appreciated gem to these unenlightened souls.
Could you two be any more overbearing?

[Akumulator]

Originally posted by Wotan
And don't fret stevegongrui, your not the only one around here with good taste in music.


Taste is subjective as you two have clearly demonstrated.

[stevegongrui]

Originally posted by Akumulator
Taste is subjective as you two have clearly demonstrated.

Yes, taste is subjective, but when you diss J.S. Bach, it isn't about taste subjectivity.

It's more a question of art objectivity.

Some people say they don't like mercedes-benz and prefer a shitty american car like Ford...

A question of taste? I guess, but what is it founded on?


Ignorance.:no:


A better example is saying I like the look of Dell computers over Apple Macs. I'm sure you all know what that's like.

People that like dell are usually close minded and haven't come to discover Apple.

Same here. Get out of your noisy punk music (that stupid song: "I fought the law" that everyone seems to be blindly downloading) and educate yourselves more.

Look beyond your pop culture/country. There's another world out there.

[stevegongrui]

Originally posted by Wotan

Thanks for introducing this under-appreciated gem to these unenlightened souls.

I think it's actually a new release of a new recording. The last albums are from the 80's and do not hold these songs. Moreover, the recording quality is excellent.


I really don't understand you guys. When I heard them I thought their take on bach was so distinct and beautiful I could not imagine people could say such nasty things.


And why do you all choose to react so strongly against it when I didn't?

[Influenza]

Hey, I'd forgotten all about them. Great stuff. Thanks!

[segovius]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
I think it's actually a new release of a new recording. The last albums are from the 80's and do not hold these songs. Moreover, the recording quality is excellent.


I really don't understand you guys. When I heard them I thought their take on bach was so distinct and beautiful I could not imagine people could say such nasty things.


And why do you all choose to react so strongly against it when I didn't?

Well, the Swingle Swingers are lame, let's face it. It's no reflection on Bach.

Maybe if you wanted to get these reprobates turned on to some kulchur it would be better to go with Bond - they don't sound much worse than the SS and they certainly look a hell of a lot better...:p

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1300000/images/_1300330_bond300.jpg

</ gratuitous attempt to derail thread>

[mlnjr]

I think it would be the same situation if someone here started a thread to point AI members to a punk band's new album, asking everyone, "Isn't this this a great album?" (waits for responses to pour in) "NO ONE??"

You've made the argument that taste is subjective, but if someone prefers a "shitty" American car to a Mercedes, that taste is based on ignorance. That's a fairly elitist thing to say, don't you think? You're now the arbiter of good taste?

People are free to like what they want to like, and they're free to point others to those things too--music, books, movies, web sites, etc. But they shouldn't get too upset if not everyone agrees with their tastes.

[BuonRotto]

Oh, man, I touhght this thread was for swinging singles! ;)

[segovius]

Originally posted by BuonRotto
Oh, man, I touhght this thread was for swinging singles! ;)

hehe - it still could be :lol:

[murbot]

You are free to like whatever you want, but if it isn't what steve likes, you are ignorant.

Or something.

[billybobsky]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
what's wrong with a cappella classical music?

are you saying it's distasteful?

what music do you listen to? care to share?

i dont really listen to music. i am not tone deaf just i dont understand the attraction to it. silence IS golden especially when driving long distances.

its not distasteful. i like classical music fine, a cappella i could do without but its not like i have a gut renching hatred of either of them. i just dont like the combo at all.

[stevegongrui]

Well, reasons for hating the swingle singers?

If you have VALID reasons then I'll respect your tastes.

For example, I do not necessarily respect punk music because of it's simplistic nature of musical makeup. Green Days songs sound mostly the same because they use very limited chord progression and just mix around notes to seemingle change the song. Yeah, the words are different, but so what. Moreover, although the praise of dissonance can be regarded as elevated, there is no way elevation can be associated with it's use in punk music for the very reason that dissonance's purpose is to convey just energy.


I never said you should all embrace the swingle singers but why such mean comments against them even before I said anything?

[stevegongrui]

Originally posted by segovius

Maybe if you wanted to get these reprobates turned on to some kulchur it would be better to go with Bond - they don't sound much worse than the SS and they certainly look a hell of a lot better...:p

Wtf has Bond got to do with any of this? Bond is dance music.

[Kickaha]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
Well, reasons for hating the swingle singers?

If you have VALID reasons then I'll respect your tastes.

Oh, so now you're not only the only judge of what is 'tasteful', but now of what opinions are 'valid' as well?

Is it any *wonder* people in this thread are calling you an arrogant snob?

"Mine is the only set of tastes that are correct - your opinion is not only wrong, but not even valid."

Jesus.

People have different tastes. Deal with it. Go listen to what you like, but if someone tries what you like, and doesn't care for it, it doesn't mean they're wrong.

Personally, I love punk. Your over intellectualized and, frankly, simplistic analysis of punk's tonal qualities while utterly missing the sociological and emotional gestalt that it tapped into during that period of world culture indicates to me, at least, that your definition of culture stops with the 19th century. Perhaps you need to educate yourself?

See how easy it is to trash someone else's opinion?

FWIW, I love Bach. I like a capella, in most cases.

I don't mind the Swingle Singers... they have a cute gimmick. They're just not my personal tastes. If they're yours, fantastic. Go listen your little heart out.

I never said you should all embrace the swingle singers but why such mean comments against them even before I said anything?

'not my thing' is MEAN?




Dear god, do you have a lot to learn.

[segovius]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
Wtf has Bond got to do with any of this? Bond is dance music.

Hehe - admittedly they're equally as crap - but they attempt to do Bach too.

Seems fair enough: shaggable babes murdering the classics or pensioners doing the same thing. That's what made this country great - freedom of choice :lol:

[Wotan]

Originally posted by murbot
You are free to like whatever you want, but if it isn't what steve [or wotan] likes, you are ignorant.
Exactly. ;)


Both sides of this argument have made some very valid points, but like steve has said, a lot of peoples distaste of classical and other non-mainstream genres of music usually ARE based on ignorance. I have encountered so many situations throuout my life of people saying "eww why do you listen to that stuff" "thats old people music" etc. Basically, if their not familiar with it, its bad music.

I think what many people dont understand is that listening to different styles of music require different perceptional-cognitive attitudes. In other words, you can't listen to Mozart and expect to get the same things that you get from listening to the Ramones. Their completely different. So therefore you have to change the way you listen. And of course I'm not saying that simply changing the way you listen will make you understand all of the music you don't like, theres still plenty of bad music out there, but there are artists and genres of music that I'm not all that into, but I can still recognize their talent and quality and understand why people like them even though their not necessarily my cup of tea.


Maybe if you wanted to get these reprobates turned on to some kulchur it would be better to go with Bond - they don't sound much worse than the SS and they certainly look a hell of a lot better...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1300000/images/_1300330_bond300.jpg

Meh. You think thats hot? You guys need check out some of THIS action:


http://homepage.mac.com/jbc25/1.jpg

WHOA

[mlnjr]

Agh! I can't believe anyone insisting that not liking something that's outside the mainstream—whatever that may be—is a sign of ignorance. You hear comments like that all the time—"Well you just haven't been exposed to the right kind of (insert musical genre here) yet." I hear it most often from people who are fans of rap and hip-hop, which is music I don't personally like, but I'm not going to call someone ignorant if they don't happen to enjoy music I do like. That in itself is ignorant thinking.

Punk music will do fine without your respect, stevegongrui, but thanks for sharing.

[stevegongrui]

Originally posted by mlnjr
but I'm not going to call someone ignorant if they don't happen to enjoy music I do like. That in itself is ignorant thinking.


My calling people ignorant was a defence on them saying classical music sux.

There is a difference in appreciating classical and liking classical music. I can live with people who do not like classical music but not appreciating it and calling it ewwww or dismissing it as shit is not acceptable...and it is an example of uneducated ignorance.

[mlnjr]

Dismissing or not appreciating classical music is not acceptable? As in you don't accept it? That's fine, stevegongrui, but you can't expect everyone in the world not to accept it either. It may be hard to fathom, but the world does not revolve around you.

EDIT:

FWIW, I'm a musician. I've played the piano since I was about six years old, so this year that would make 24 years. I spent a lot of time studying classical music, then moved on to jazz and blues when I started to feel too constrained by the piano teachers who wanted to turn me into a classical pianist.

Sometimes I miss it, because I think if I'd stuck with the piano lessons I'd have a little more discipline today as a musician. But ever since I stopped studying classical music, my musical abilities have only been expanding into composing, arranging, performing live in jazz and rock bands, etc. I do happen to have an appreciation for some classical music (and I really have to disagree with the idea that appreciating something and liking it are different things) but I'm turned off by the rigidness of most of it. That's not to say that the music isn't sometimes expressive, it's just that I think that that expressiveness can only go so far when the musicians are sitting there essentially following instructions instead of actually playing. They read the music, they watch the conductor (in the case of orchestral music, anyway). I think classical music is about as mainstream as you can get, personally, since the idea is to make sure you play all the notes correctly.

At any rate, the Swingle Singers (who are good, incidentally, and who used to be managed by my uncle while he was still in the business) get points for originality since they're reproducing the music with their voices instead of instruments.

[Pumpkintosh]

Shut up Steve, you music NAZI. Most people do not like classical music. Calling them closed minded for not automatically liking your preferred music, which you take WAY too seriously, only proves that you are the closed minded and intolerant one.

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[Luca]

No one in this thread said that "Classical music sux" as you so eloquently put it (maybe you should learn to spell to go along with your elitism?). You're assuming that because they don't like the Singing Swindlers, they automatically don't like Bach, or classical music in general. Well guess what? The Swinging Singles do a shitty job of murdering Bach's music. They are a disgrace. I listened to them, and they suck.

You can't take any criticism whatsoever. You can dish it out but like the stupid, whining, bitching pussy you are, you can't take any without flying off the handle. Your second and third posts in this thread already implied a great deal of elitism ("are you saying it's distasteful? what music do you listen to?"), and after that you go whole hog ("Then your grandma has better taste than you do"). Of course, it's no big deal to rail on punk rock. Go ahead, slam them and their listeners as much as you want, but the moment someone criticizes your pet band, you automatically get offended, assail them for their poor taste, and then pretend like you're the victim ("And why do you all choose to react so strongly against it when I didn't?"). You hypocritical loser.

I think you need to leave the boards for a while, get a life, tell your parents to quit controlling you, discover that being "sophisticated" isn't the most important thing in the world, then come back and re-evaluate the situation. At the very least, we'll all get a break from your mindless babble for a few months.

[billybobsky]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
Well, reasons for hating the swingle singers?

Some sounds you just dont like say for instance the sound of salt grinding between two hard plastic cups. A capella classical is one of those sounds for me (although not to that extreme, if i hear it on the radio i am more than likely to keep moving -- in fact i really dont like vocals i cant distiguish from the background including instances from hard rock to rap to some drunk on the pavement slurring the words of sesame street ).

I didnt say anything mean about the group in question. I can say mean things about them, but without resorting to mockery of their crappy a capella-esque name, I really have no objections to their existence or your appreciation of their musical productions. Enjoy them steve. Saying I dont like them doesnt mean you shouldnt.

[billybobsky]

i think i should also mention that when i do turn my radio on it is tuned to npr, a classic rock station or a classical music station. I like classical music. I think there is art in most things even the rythmic pulse of a child banging pots and pans. I dont like a capella classical music. So sue me. At least I took the time to listen to it and am open to people liking/appreciating it. But I dont like it, and if I had my choice I wouldnt listen to it.

Steve, it is a remarkable imaturity that your posts represent here. Remarkable. This has nothing to do with your choice in music but in the way you take personal offense to someone (namely most of us)not liking your taste in music and then acting on that "insult" and retorting with your own. [6th grade] So your tastes are not the tastes of the popular kid. Did you actually think you were the popular kid? Do your parents think you are the popular kid? [/6th grade]. Get over yourself. Not everyone on the planet is uncultured in the Western European elistist sense, and no one is uncultured in the most open sense.

[murbot]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
I can live with people who do not like classical music but not appreciating it and calling it ewwww or dismissing it as shit is not acceptable...and it is an example of uneducated ignorance.

This from the guy who makes kids grind shit into their hair?

You are interesting, I'll give you that.

:err:

[Kickaha]

murbot, you are a master of diplomacy.

[murbot]

That sentence has never been typed before. Ever.

:D

Oh yeah, and I should maybe warn Luca for his post... or something... but for some reason I can't. Possibly something about it being the best post in this thread.

Or something.

[sunrein]

Golly Steve and Wotan, can I forward on your resumes to the marketing department at Deutsche Grammophon? Can I please? I'm sure you'll give them a few months of good service as you bankrupt them...

As a professional composer, I think it's great that you feel the best way to introduce concert music to people, is to berate and belittle them for their 'unenlightened' and 'ignorant' ways. That's great, really smart guys.

Speaking of ignorance, you two superior f**king idiots should know that Bach isn't classical music, it's Baroque. Half the tracks on the album are JAZZ arrangements of Baroque pieces. You two chucklehead 'experts' don't even know what you're talking about. I've forgotten more about the last ten centuries of western music than you two know put together. Pull your heads out.

Now go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

Sheesh.

[murbot]

OK, I may have to take back my comment about Luca's post.

This thread's got legs.

[Luca]

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~resc0030/vroom_vroom.jpg

[piwozniak]

http://homepage.mac.com/piwozniak/.Pictures/vv2.jpg


:)

EDIT: oh yeah , great thread!

[709]

Bach is for pussies.

[piwozniak]

Originally posted by 709
Bach is for pussies.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[BuonRotto]

Bach rocks! :D

Wagner is the pussy, however. Well, him and Philip Glass. :devil:

[Eugene]

Originally posted by stevegongrui

Some people say they don't like mercedes-benz and prefer a shitty american car like Ford...

<blah blah blah Dell blah blah Ford blah blah>

Ignorance.:no:


Hmm:
Oh yeah, I completely agree.

My electronics are either Apple or Sony, period.

Actually, almost everythnig I have is Sony.

Sony=Mercedes Benz

Canon and others=Volks Wagen or Japanese cars

Yes, you get more for the price with canon, but Sony will always be on top, just like the star.

To those of you who diss Sony and Mercedes-Benz, f uck you!!!!!

For ****'s sake, shut up. I'd take a Ford GT over ANY Mercedes-Benz right now. You're the one that seems to have an elitist stance on this subject. I noticed it before when you said you preferred Sony digital cameras to anything for basically no reason at all. As for Dell, their computers give you more bang for the buck than any Apple ever did.

Whatever man. We're not the ones that need to flesh out our tastes. You are.

[Extras.rsrc]

I also think Bach is for pussies. I'm not saying he wasn't good at what he did, by no means do I think he wasn't an amazing talent. But I'm sure that the stuff I'm into you wouldn't find super amazing. I don't see why you had to take such offense to people not being interested in what, in my opinion, is not that interesting at all.

[EmAn]

Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
No one in this thread said that "Classical music sux" as you so eloquently put it (maybe you should learn to spell to go along with your elitism?). You're assuming that because they don't like the Singing Swindlers, they automatically don't like Bach, or classical music in general. Well guess what? The Swinging Singles do a shitty job of murdering Bach's music. They are a disgrace. I listened to them, and they suck.

You can't take any criticism whatsoever. You can dish it out but like the stupid, whining, bitching pussy you are, you can't take any without flying off the handle. Your second and third posts in this thread already implied a great deal of elitism ("are you saying it's distasteful? what music do you listen to?"), and after that you go whole hog ("Then your grandma has better taste than you do"). Of course, it's no big deal to rail on punk rock. Go ahead, slam them and their listeners as much as you want, but the moment someone criticizes your pet band, you automatically get offended, assail them for their poor taste, and then pretend like you're the victim ("And why do you all choose to react so strongly against it when I didn't?"). You hypocritical loser.

I think you need to leave the boards for a while, get a life, tell your parents to quit controlling you, discover that being "sophisticated" isn't the most important thing in the world, then come back and re-evaluate the situation. At the very least, we'll all get a break from your mindless babble for a few months. :lol: great post

[stevegongrui]

Originally posted by sunrein


Speaking of ignorance, you two superior f**king idiots should know that Bach isn't classical music, it's Baroque.

the term Classical is generally used losely and it ties in periods such as baroque, classical and romantic.

If I were to talk about renaissance, contemporary or neo-romanticism, I don't think many people would understand what I'm saying so I use the general term that the laymen use.

You really thought I didn't know Bach was a baroque artist?

[stevegongrui]

This thread needs to cool down.

I never intended it to be like this and I guess I come off as rather bastardy but English is not my first language and it's all written so I can't really tell you what I'm thinking.

Anyway, I'm cool with whatever you all listen to and I'm not trying to force the swingle singers on you at all. I just came across it on itms and thought it was really cool and wanted to share but found no one that agreed it was cool and found some people dissin classical.

As for that old post about Sony cameras, although I am a fan of sony, I was kinda joking around. We got a Canon digital rebel recently so...


So I just bought all the pepsi they have at the store here and my first bottle i open I get a free song.

Before the pepsi deal came on I had all these songs I wanted to get but now that the time has come I can't remember what I wanted, any suggestions?

And I'm not looking for classical because classical needs to be in complete sets and wouldn't make sense buying just 1 song.



And Luca and Ed, please try to not bring personal stuff on the boards. I thought we were through with that.

And murbot, about the shit thing, I didn't actually do it, and it was just something green and mushy, probably not shit at all.


So can I redeem myself and be a regular member on the board?:p

[stevegongrui]

And sorry if I offended anyone, I apologise for that.

[Luca]

Ironically, I actually listened to a bit more of the Swingle Singers after I posted my reply, and I liked what I heard. Their classical renditions were pretty hard to take, but their jazz stuff is okay. I'm not a fan of their style of music in the first place, but I don't think this is even about whether these Swingle Singers are any good or not - after hearing more of their stuff, I don't really think too badly of them. Still, I hope Steve will eventually realize that there are many varied tastes in music and other areas of life, and that highbrow is not always the "right" way. I'm not a huge fan of punk rock either but I like listening to some of it once in a while.

Anyway, I guess I had fun with my post, but I think we should start moving towards a better understanding. Steve, you're going to have to learn how to make compromises and to not jump to conclusions or judge people based on some very limited information. AppleInsider will be a very unwelcome place if you continue with these rude (and just downright irritating) displays of arrogance and superiority.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and don't go around blaming a poor understanding of English for your inflammatory posts. Common rules of decency go beyond the language barriers, and your English is very good anyway. Not as good as a native speaker, but it's close.

[stevegongrui]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
Way to blow an opportunity to appear humble. You totally redeemed yourself with this post!!! :no:


Hey, that was before I decided to redeem myself.

[Wotan]

Despite all of the unnecessary flaming, this has to be one the most interesting and entertaining threads I've been involved in. (which is not that many, as you can tell).

It almost fells as if me and steve are the GWB and Tony Blair of this forum. Although my stance is not nearly as extreme as steve's, and it makes me shudder to think about being compared to either one of those two. but I digress.


As a professional composer, I think it's great that you feel the best way to introduce concert music to people, is to berate and belittle them for their 'unenlightened' and 'ignorant' ways. That's great, really smart guys.

Speaking of ignorance, you two superior f**king idiots should know that Bach isn't classical music, it's Baroque. Half the tracks on the album are JAZZ arrangements of Baroque pieces. You two chucklehead 'experts' don't even know what you're talking about.
I think I need to clarify a few of the things I've said so far:

First, I was not completely serious with the content of my original post. I do have a strong admiration for Bach and other classica-oops! sorry! I need to break it down for ya: BAROQUE, Classical, Romantic, Modern, AND Jazz arrangements. But there was a bit of humor and sarcasm behind the "unenlightened souls" stuff. I should have added a smiley or something. sorry.

Second, when I use the word ignorant, it does not mean "Stupid" or "Intellectually Inferior" or anything like that. It simply means that one lacks knowledge of x subject. Musical taste is influenced by what you grew up listening to. If you listened to alot of classical or baroque, etc. music when you were a kid, then its likely that you will have an appreciation for it when you get older. Or, on the other hand, if you listened to classical when you were young and then, after entering some kind of rebellious stage or something, developed a distaste for it, I can respect that decision a bit more because at least you have a good knowledge of the genre, and therefore have more *ahem* "valid" reasons for not liking it then a person who has almost no knowledge of it and disses it simply because of that fact. I think this is what steve is trying to say.

I personally can't say whether or not anyone on this board is ignorant of classical because I dont know what your backgrounds are.


And BTW neither Bach nor Wagner nor Philip Glass are for pussies. Their compositions are clearly intended for human enjoyment, not cats.

If you guys weren't so ignorant you would know that.

[Pumpkintosh]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
And sorry if I offended anyone...

No you're not. You cant be sorry for something you do repeatedly. You may cool down for a few days because you got a siezeable bite taken out of your ass by a community of geeks, but 'you' will return soon enough.

[Eugene]

Ultimately they've made Bach sound like a jingle you'd hear while shopping for bananas and maxi-pads at the local supermarket. I'm also not a fan of the accompaniment in some of their songs...check their Christmastime album. I mean, are they a capella or not?

[Luca]

Originally posted by Wotan
If you listened to alot of classical or baroque, etc. music when you were a kid, then its likely that you will have an appreciation for it when you get older. Or, on the other hand, if you listened to classical when you were young and then, after entering some kind of rebellious stage or something, developed a distaste for it, I can respect that decision a bit more because at least you have a good knowledge of the genre, and therefore have more *ahem* "valid" reasons for not liking it then a person who has almost no knowledge of it and disses it simply because of that fact. I think this is what steve is trying to say.

So listening to a few songs and then deciding that you don't like it isn't good enough? You're still sounding pretty pompous when you say we should have a valid reason for not liking certain music - IMHO, if you have listened to it and you don't like it, then that in itself is a valid reason.

I think the problem is that you and Steve are both acting very superior to everyone, as though your knowledge of classical music allows you to shake your finger at everyone who doesn't like it and say, "It's just because you're ignorant, nothing to be ashamed of."

Another interesting point: It seems, from your post, that for someone to say they don't like classical music, they had to have studied it and decided they didn't like it, because just saying you don't like it without formal training is ignorance. What about liking it? Do you also have to undergo formal training in order to like classical music? Would someone be ignorant if they said they like classical music just because they like the way it sounds, even if they aren't educated in the subject?

[stevegongrui]

Originally posted by Pumpkintosh
No you're not. You cant be sorry for something you do repeatedly. You may cool down for a few days because you got a siezeable bite taken out of your ass by a community of geeks, but 'you' will return soon enough.


What is your problem? As you told me yourself you don't even belong in this board.

And maybe you should look at yourself for once. Not to be mean or anything (since I really do feel bad for your life) but you should have more important things to worry about.

[Pumpkintosh]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
What is your problem? As you told me yourself you don't even belong in this board.

And maybe you should look at yourself for once. Not to be mean or anything (since I really do feel bad for your life) but you should have more important things to worry about.

Alright, you wanna get personal, fine. It was in fact, Luca who made a personal attack on your in this thread, not me. But you are chosing to attack me because you know I am less likely to retaliate at the level which Luca would, making a total ass out of you, which you have done a good enough job of on your own anyways...

1) I never said I didn't belong here. I said I felt more comfortable over at MacNN. But, as I have come to see many present and former MacNN'ers over here, I figured I would peak around.

2) You know nothing about my life. You do not know me well enough to make any judgement whatsoever of me, I talked to you on AIM for about a week before I stopped responding to you. Say what you will, you pulled that comment out of your ass. And I am far happier in my life than you are with yours judging by the attitude that you have had towards others in this thread before you got ganged up on.

3) I should have more important things to worry about than what? Than posting here? Well, if I should have more important things to do than posting here, shouldn't you have more important things to do than adopting an elitist attitude about everything you like/do and attempting to tear down those who disagree with your views?

If you wanna try to make another personal attack, at least have the maturity to do it via private message.

[Eugene]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
What is your problem? As you told me yourself you don't even belong in this board.

And maybe you should look at yourself for once. Not to be mean or anything (since I really do feel bad for your life) but you should have more important things to worry about.
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[stevegongrui]

Luca and Ed,

why such contempt? we've never even met each other. I don't think it's necessary at all, so lets just break it.

[Eugene]

Originally posted by stevegongrui
Luca and Ed,

why such contempt? we've never even met each other. I don't think it's necessary at all, so lets just break it.
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[Luca]

I don't feel like continuing here. I'm out like a trout. Discussions of personal matters belong in private messages anyway.

[Wotan]

Originally posted by Luca Rescigno
Another interesting point: It seems, from your post, that for someone to say they don't like classical music, they had to have studied it and decided they didn't like it, because just saying you don't like it without formal training is ignorance. What about liking it? Do you also have to undergo formal training in order to like classical music? Would someone be ignorant if they said they like classical music just because they like the way it sounds, even if they aren't educated in the subject?
You've raised some good questions. And what I'm about to say may sound insanely elitist, but... Classical music really does require a good understanding of how it works in order to fully appreciate and enjoy it. I really dont mean to sound superior but this is just the way it is. When I first started to seriously listen to it, my knowledge of the genre wasn't anything like what it is now. I was attracted to it mostly on a pretty base level, and I would listen to it much in the same way one would listen to any other pop tune. I just saw the facade and didn't really see the meat of it. But yet there was something there that kept me interested and I didn't tire of it as I did with other music. and eventually I learned how to listen. Its a bit hard to explain, but listening to classical really requires a much deeper and more focused level of listening than most other styles in order to truly enjoy it. And having a little bit of an education of the different styles and formats i.e. knowing the difference between a cannon and a fugue, understanding the importance of how different themes are orchestrated etc. all make a huge difference in ones ability to enjoy it. and when you dont know these things, its like seeing the world through a pinhole.

If you allow it the time and patience that it requires. it can be an intensely rewarding and satisfying thing to experience.

P.S. Chill out folks. I dont want to see this thread get closed unnecessarily.

[stevegongrui]

Thanks Wotan for pointing that out.

Well, those of you that are saying ewww to classical, how many of you have ever sat down and decided to try to get into it?

I am guessing that most start off having already decided this is not what I like so when they hear a classical station on the radio they automatically skip it without even hearing what is playing.

The reason why I am very annoyed is because I constantly get very false statements about classical which are truly based on ignorance:

Classical music is boring, there's nothing exciting about it, it puts me to sleep, there's no energy to it.

Now, this is just not fcking true yet they say it with such confidence as if they know for a fact that it is boring.

I guess it can be compared to a child finding shakespeare boring and unexciting because he doesn't understand it or because it's not like what he normally reads (ie picture books).

[segovius]

Classical and 'popular' music are two very different beasts.

My missus is an opera singer (she hates the Swingles btw) and she would never listen to classical as 'background' - takes too much energy she says. same with Shakespeare - you need to put a lot into it to get anything out, and not just energy.

Many people can't give that attention but even those who can don't necessarily want to do it all the time, sometimes they just want to kick-back. Nothing is 'better' - it's what you want at the time.

[mlnjr]

Um, whether classical music is boring or not isn't something that can be absolutely true or absolutely false. The degree to which someone likes or dislikes something (and their reasons for feeling that way) are 100 percent subjective.

Steve, if someone says something that doesn't go along with your opinion, what they said is patently false? Why do you insist on being critical of people who don't share the exact same tastes as you?

[Extras.rsrc]

It's not that classical music isn't good, I just don't find it all that interesting. When I listen to music I want to get into it, I want to feel the energy from it. I'm into strong lyrics, ridiculous leads and solos, pick slides and stuff like that. But that doesn't mean that if I tried to get you to listen to like Mötley Crüe or Converge or something from my iTunes library and you thought that it didn't have enough feeling, or that it was too busy, or that the vocals were too rough or something, and you found yourself unable to want to listen to it, but gave them credit for being good musicians and songwriters, that I should jump down your throat about not spending enough time to 'really enjoy' it or understand why it's great. I know you apologized and all that, I'm just hoping that you understand why there was a misunderstanding about it.

[trumptman]

Originally posted by segovius
Classical and 'popular' music are two very different beasts.

My missus is an opera singer (she hates the Swingles btw) and she would never listen to classical as 'background' - takes too much energy she says. same with Shakespeare - you need to put a lot into it to get anything out, and not just energy.

Many people can't give that attention but even those who can don't necessarily want to do it all the time, sometimes they just want to kick-back. Nothing is 'better' - it's what you want at the time.

There is plenty of classical music that can listened to in the background. Heck there is plenty that was written expressly for that purpose.

Classical music and popular music are not different. They are the same beast reflecting two different times. Our popular music today must compete with computer animated special effect sequences. So we are lucky if a very good piece of music can demand 4 minutes of our time.

When the operas your wife speaks about were first running, they could take hours of our time because well, there wasn't much else to compete against or have fight for that time.

Nick