Bush

[Matsu]

Doing a survey of contemporary depictions of the female form. Seems to be an awful lot of grooming going on. Too much I'd say.

What's happened to bush? Are we turning into pedophiles?

Ladies, lads? Your thoughts?

[pfflam]

Originally posted by Matsu
Doing a survey of contemporary depictions of the female form. Seems to be an awful lot of grooming going on. Too much I'd say.

What's happened to bush? Are we turning into pedophiles?

Ladies, lads? Your thoughts? I think that I am in complete agreement . . . . . whatever that means.

[Cake]

Have you ever been with a woman?
Do you enjoy pleasuring a woman orally as much as I do?

The lack of bush and the assiocated trend is a godsend IMO.

[The One to Rescue]

I thought this thread would be about politics...!!!

Anyway... hairs in general has never been very trendy on women, it's just that until recently, shaving pubic hairs was pretty taboo (except in Japan, very surprising how every single girl is shaved here), and therefore, bushes remained.

But why would liking girls with no bush have anything to do with pedophilia? If so, liking girls who shave the hairs on their legs would be pedophile, since little girls don't have these ones either...

[Tulkas]

I've always been partial to a nicely trimmed racing stripe

[tonton]

I think those who think trimming and shaving has anything to do with paedophilia or a fixation on youth are truly disturbed. I just like a smooth ride and I don't like getting hairs in my teeth. I find smooth skin feminine and sexy. I also prefer dating women over 30.

Down with Bush!

[The One to Rescue]

Originally posted by tonton
I think those who think trimming and shaving has anything to do with paedophilia or a fixation on youth are truly disturbed. I just like a smooth ride and I don't like getting hairs in my teeth. I find smooth skin feminine and sexy. I also prefer dating women over 30.

Down with Bush!

And I will add that some girls (the number seems increasing, to me) like when the boys shave their pubic hairs too...

[Powerdoc]

When a male shave his genitals, it looks like his dick his 2 centimeter longer.

[The One to Rescue]

Originally posted by Powerdoc
When a male shave his genitals, it looks like his dick his 2 centimeter longer.

And how do you shave that? Razor?? Ewwwww!
(not that I'm interested by the 2cm thing, of course............. :D )

[Scott]

Originally posted by Powerdoc
When a male shave his genitals, it looks like his dick his 2 centimeter longer.

:wow: That's like ... 10 inches :wow:

[The One to Rescue]

Originally posted by Scott
:wow: That's like ... 10 inches :wow:

Errrr... 2 centimeters is something like 0.8 inches, actually...

[Scott]

No? really?:wow:

[Existence]

It's obvious women don't want to be associated with the monkey President.

[talksense101]

Originally posted by Existence
It's obvious women don't want to be associated with the monkey President.

ROFL! It is more hygienic without Bush. :lol:

[trick fall]

No Bush in the White House or in the bedroom.

[lemon]

Originally posted by The One to Rescue
And how do you shave that? Razor?? Ewwwww!
(not that I'm interested by the 2cm thing, of course............. :D )


I use a Mach 3. It works just fine.

[Scott]

I wouldn't use that Mach 3 POS on my face. They sent me a free one in the mail and I tossed it in the trash after using it once.

[tonton]

Originally posted by lemon
I use a Mach 3. It works just fine.

NOT the thing I wanted to have in common with another AI'er but yeah... Mach 3 for me, too.

The only problem is the locker room. But I don't really care.

[pfflam]

Aaaah the denial of life! the abnegation of the body in its most telling and primal form!: the making of artifice out of animal sexuality . . . that is the motive for bushlessness

As I have been on record saying before: a fine balance of reasonable hygienic care, (but just enough keep leg hairs if they are not too long etc) with a reminder of our primal source: Appollonian, to a degree, but with that ever-present Dionysian as necessary as well!!

Medusa's veil masks the reminder of the cthonic energy of love . . masks, yet frames her in her paralytic exstatic splendor . . how much more beautiful to part her veil for a deadly taste of danger than it is to deny the Life and Death that await us all at the thrall of her advancements?!

Denial of life, for true life taken to the limits of experience are the intimations of our death as discontinuous beings in combination to another while becoming continuous once again . . .le petite mort -like birth's continuity, like sex and like the dissolution that will be our death.
make it 'sport-fuck' and 'porn', or porcelain clipped and boring and we keep its majestic negation of our fragile illusions and fictions at bey!

therefore dear ladies: keep thee away from the razors illusions and desperate subterfuge! keep us all in touch with ourselves and with the primal source of life

and as often as possible . . .ok?!

[pfflam]

Originally posted by lemon
I use a Mach 3. It works just fine. do you mean to tell me that you actually shave your pubes?!?!?!

You can't tell me then that it is just for those few Centimeters?!?!

Ugh!

[xionja]

I don't know if the issue is quite as deep as pfflam says.

I think its just nice for good hygeine, with other benefits of course. Guys too, should shave/wax.

Its pretty common among most teenagers, so I guess it is a trend in some ways.

[Common Man]

God Bless President Bush!
God Bless the Troops!
God Bless America!

[jimmac]

Originally posted by Common Man
God Bless President Bush!
God Bless the Troops!
God Bless America!


Uh, psst. The only thing on this thread about president Bush was a joke. Unless your statement was one.;)

[BRussell]

Originally posted by Common Man
God Bless President Bush!
God Bless the Troops!
God Bless America! God Bless a neatly trimmed labia majora!

[running with scissors]

Originally posted by BRussell
God Bless a neatly trimmed labia majora!

amen brother. amen.

[Thoth2]

I like it anyway it comes. Bush does impede the oral sports, however.
I engage in manscape as well (but not as complete as some, it seems).
Thoth

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Oh heavens to betsy, what a thread.

Cake is talking about one of my bona fide hobbies. Bush has never impeded me in my pursuit of this hobby. Actually, if that Brazilian is for my benefit, then thanks awfully but - meh, not too fussed. Who cares.

I'm with pffffffffffflllllammmmmmmmm on this one.

[Common Man]

Oh my gosh! I thought----- Oh my gosh!

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Common Man, what are your thoughts on the shaping, shaving and waxing of women's pubic hair?

[groverat]

Not shaved bare, but a short trim. Not short enough to be prickly, but not long enough to capture smells.

It is all about hygeine. Same reason I trim my underarm hair very short.

[pfflam]

Originally posted by Common Man
God Bless President Bush!
God Bless the Troops!
God Bless America! Just shows that he doesn't even read other people's posts much less actually think about them . . . or anything for that matter. . . . :no:

[johnq]

Originally posted by pfflam
Just shows that he doesn't even read other people's posts much less actually think about them . . . or anything for that matter. . . . :no:


omg, I can't frigging believe that one. Too funny :D Common Man, put the mouse down and take five steps away from the keyboard.

[Flip]

A trimmed Bush!
A shaved Dick!
A cleaned Colon!

Is this a political thread or not?

[Anders]

I think he is one funny fellah.

"Come on man...come on man...get the stick get the stick. BUSH!"

http://www.justfurkids.com/pals/jordan/images/d_jordan.jpg

Good dog.

Just pulling your leg ;)

[ipodandimac]

wow i'm still recovering from the shock of realizing what this thread is actually about. anyways... ya... i'm in the "ladies bust out your razors" camp. hair can be a bad thing.

[ColanderOfDeath]

I blame the Knights who say Ni. It is because of them that Arthur and Matsu and the like Desire A SHRUBBERY when in fact a there is nothing better than a nicely manicured sex goddess. It needn't be as bald as Telly Savalas, a groomed landing strip acting as a lighthouse beacon of ecstacy for my phallus will do nicely. Or an Isosceles triangle. Whatever. As my one eyed wonder weasel becomes more rigid my standards become less rigid. But for gods sake I don't want to feel like I'm making out with Santa Claus. No hairs in my mouth please, after all, if it is shaped like a taco it was meant to be eaten.


Selection From The Miller's Tale

The window she unbarred, and that in haste.
"Have done," said she, "come on, and do it fast,
Before we're seen by any neighbour's eye."
This Absalom did wipe his mouth all dry;
Dark was the night as pitch, aye dark as coal,
And through the window she put out her hole.
And Absalom no better felt nor worse,
But with his mouth he kissed her naked arse
Right greedily, before he knew of this.
Aback he leapt- it seemed somehow amiss,
For well he knew a woman has no beard;
He'd felt a thing all rough and longish haired,
And said, "Oh fie, alas! What did I do?"
"Teehee!" she laughed, and clapped the, window to;
And Absalom went forth a sorry pace.

[bunge]

Originally posted by The One to Rescue
But why would liking girls with no bush have anything to do with pedophilia?

When a girl starts to hit puberty, her lips (mouth lips, not pussy lips) start to puff out. That's why people like lipstick; it makes the lips look fuller like a girl in puberty. Pubescent girls also start to fill out in the chest, hence the push up bra and boob jobs. They usually are pretty bare under the arms and below the waist, so women like to shave and men like to see it. And of course, skinny women rather than full figured women.

These are some of the reasons men are attracted to these types of features in women. Most people don't want to think of these connections because society would put you in jail for admitting it.

Personally, I'll vote for Bush. It's how the pheromones travel.

[The One to Rescue]

Originally posted by bunge
When a girl starts to hit puberty, her lips (mouth lips, not pussy lips) start to puff out. That's why people like lipstick; it makes the lips look fuller like a girl in puberty. Pubescent girls also start to fill out in the chest, hence the push up bra and boob jobs. They usually are pretty bare under the arms and below the waist, so women like to shave and men like to see it. And of course, skinny women rather than full figured women.

These are some of the reasons men are attracted to these types of features in women. Most people don't want to think of these connections because society would put you in jail for admitting it.

Personally, I'll vote for Bush. It's how the pheromones travel.

I don't know : what's wrong about paedophilia is that you have sex with girls whose bodies and brains are not ready for that, so they get hurt physically and mentally.
Liking girls who shave below the waist, who don't put lipsticks, etc... is another thing, that is hardly linkable to paedophilia, even if you put in some weird Freudian tricks.

[bunge]

Originally posted by The One to Rescue
Liking girls who shave below the waist, who don't put lipsticks, etc... is another thing, that is hardly linkable to paedophilia, even if you put in some weird Freudian tricks.

And Japanese men apparently like women in school girl outfits.

[The One to Rescue]

Originally posted by bunge
And Japanese men apparently like women in school girl outfits.

Yes but Japanese people have a totally different (and utterly strange) vision of morality than the Americans and the Europeans...

[pfflam]

Originally posted by The One to Rescue
I don't know : what's wrong about pedophile is that you have sex with girls whose bodies and brains are not ready for that, so they get hurt physically and mentally.
Liking girls who shave below the waist, who don't put lipsticks, etc... is another thing, that is hardly linkable to pedophile, even if you put in some weird Freudian tricks. the world is stranger than common consciousness would admit . .. . motives for the simplest of things are far from what we say they are.
Pedophile? perhaps that is the real motive
Denial of the body, hence denial of Death? that is possible too . . . and that is also perhaps the real motive for something like the pedophile . . .
Survival of the species through mating with young 'nymphs? that too could also be part and parcel of the same mix . . . sociobiological motives are also part of the 'Freudian mix', they don't exclude the unconscious, in fact, they help the argument for its existence

[The One to Rescue]

Originally posted by pfflam
the world is stranger than common consciousness would admit . .. . motives for the simplest of things are far from what we say they are.
Pedophile? perhaps that is the real motive
Denial of the body, hence denial of Death? that is possible too . . . and that is also perhaps the real motive for something like the pedophile . . .
Survival of the species through mating with young 'nymphs? that too could also be part and parcel of the same mix . . . sociobiological motives are also part of the 'Freudian mix', they don't exclude the unconscious, in fact, they help the argument for its existence

To a certain extent, this is true...

I think that guys are attracted by younger women because they're afraid of getting old and lose their main ability to please women, and because they feel more secure when the girl they have sex with does not have much experience, so she won't be able to judge the "performances" of him. When this way of thinking gets too extreme, that becomes paedophilia.

Girls prefer older guys because they seek experience (don't want to get hurt, and want to have pleasure during the intercourse, which is not automatic for women...), and also (that comes from Freud) because inconsciously, they're attracted by what they saw of their daddies when they were young, and this vision pleased them...

[Matsu]

I think pfflam captured it, in an entertainingly flamboyant way, but also with a greater theoretical/linguistic sensitivity.

I perhaps should not have thrown pedophelia, but a few good reasons exist for that train of thought.

I've been looking at some of the models. Emaciated, many quite sickly looking, built more like boys than what I would argue a prototypical female form might be. If this is an attempt to establish a prototype of the female form, why is it so androgynous?

Man - boy as a relation meant to usurp man - woman

Does it assume that man is naturally paederastic? Is there something threatening about women?

I don't know. I don't think that's right. I think it has more to do with a homosexual appraisal of hetero sexual aesthetics. There'sa statement built into it, though I'm loathe to say exactly what it may be.

I think the truth of it has already been adequately expressed. It's something far more gender agnostic -- a fear of the body.

The flip side of the androgynous model, is the hyper sexual model. In the case of females, all boobs, and sexual signals -- big lips, lusty looks, a little sweat, a little blush on the cheeks -- not to mention air brush perfect private parts. For males, Maplethorpe physiques, to the nth degree. These models seem to have an inordinate amount of maintance involved.

I mean, the crude part of all this is if a certain set of genetalia are worth going down on, then they're worth it in their natural state, I imagine.

All the people arguing that sex is natural (which I agree) seem to also require a very particular presentation. As if to say, you know, it's not all that nice unless it meets particular standards, is presented in just such a way, easy access, hygiene... All make a point, to different degrees. But people don't look like that, is it crucial to a pleasant experience or is it part of another psychology.

Perhaps something that partially motivates all beauty rituals. An averse reaction to aging, which might be read as an aversion to mortality, and death. Paedophelia as a phenomenon psychological theory -- man's attempt to reject all post pubescent phases because those lead to age, which leads to death. Not because we want to be with children, but because we want to be children -- with innocence, with polymorphous perversion, without existential angst.

[Paul]

Matsu... why would you know what those big words mean (I had to look them up ;) )?:lol: :devil:

[Matsu]

Don't be too impressed. In all honesty, I use big words when I don't know what I'm talking about, and there's plenty of evidence of that in my last post. Really, I'm just thinking out loud.

[Paul]

heh, I was just talking about paederastic and Maplethorpe everything else seemed to make sense to me...

[The One to Rescue]

Originally posted by Matsu
Perhaps something that partially motivates all beauty rituals. An averse reaction to aging, which might be read as an aversion to mortality, and death. Paedophelia as a phenomenon psychological theory -- man's attempt to reject all post pubescent phases because those lead to age, which leads to death. Not because we want to be with children, but because we want to be children -- with innocence, with polymorphous perversion, without existential angst.

That's exactly what I believe and tried to say earlier, but you summed it up very nicely!

I mean, the crude part of all this is if a certain set of genetalia are worth going down on, then they're worth it in their natural state, I imagine.

All the people arguing that sex is natural (which I agree) seem to also require a very particular presentation. As if to say, you know, it's not all that nice unless it meets particular standards, is presented in just such a way, easy access, hygiene... All make a point, to different degrees. But people don't look like that, is it crucial to a pleasant experience or is it part of another psychology.

Yes, there are trends and standards for sex, definitely, since it has become a real market (ok, you don't actually BUY your girlfriend, but when you see what's happening on Meetic, it's getting very close).
However, I don't know what the other people here think about that, but in the end, as far as I'm concerned, I don't care whether a girl is shaved or anything, as long as i find her attractive.

[Matsu]

well, let's say that I find a lot of it problematic. I understand what I wrote, with a few errors, but don't neccessarily understand where it goes from there, and with no resolution in sight, that just means more meandering thought on the question/s. People have written books on the subject, I might have to read one.

Now, if you're just saying that I'm gay, sorry to disappoint.

[bunge]

I've read that men that are attracted to the insanely skinny women rather than a more full figured woman have latent homosexual tendencies. Not sure that I buy it, but it is something I've read.

And as for the fear of death, I don't put too much stock in it. Biology tells us when to mate and who to mate with, even if we don't always listen to it. The female body sends signals when it's ready, even if people are scared to admit it.

Yes but Japanese people have a totally different (and utterly strange) vision of morality than the Americans and the Europeans...

I think this is somewhat racist. There are plenty of people in the USA and Europe who get off on 'teen' sex, internet or otherwise. It's just our culture tells us it's wrong, bad, evil, whatever. If the Japanese are more open about it, I don't think that means their morals are any different.

[BRussell]

Here's two possibilities:

1. That people in general are biological attracted to youth. Think about kittens. Puppies. They have those big eyes, that small chin, that soft skin or fur. Why do those features look cute to us? Because we need to take care of our babies in order to help them survive. If babies were ugly to us, we wouldn't want to nurture them to help them to survive. So we have evolved to find youth cute.

2. Reproductive fitness. Older women either can't have babies or can't have as many. Therefore younger women are more attractive from a biological standpoint. Men who pair up with younger women will be able to have more babies than men who pair up with older women. And the same is not true of men, who can produce sperm up 'til their dying days. If you go with the standard psycho-evolutionary line, women actually prefer older men because they are more likely to have amassed greater resources to provide for mom and babies.

So theory 1. would predict that men and women equally prefer youthful features, but theory 2. would predict that only men would prefer youthful features in women, but not the other way around. I think theory 1. also predicts that the younger the better (i.e., shaved pubes), whereas theory 2. predicts a preference for youth but not more youthful than puberty.

I've often thought this same thing applies to blonde hair. Why is blonde hair considered attractive among caucasians? Once you get past the age of about 15, very few women in the US have actual blonde hair anymore. It goes away. Lots of white babies are born blond but the vast majority go brown as they get older. I think it's another example of men preferring youthful looks.

[The One to Rescue]

Originally posted by bunge
I think this is somewhat racist. There are plenty of people in the USA and Europe who get off on 'teen' sex, internet or otherwise. It's just our culture tells us it's wrong, bad, evil, whatever. If the Japanese are more open about it, I don't think that means their morals are any different.

I was not judging the morals of Japanese people at all! Just telling that it is very different from ours, and that therefore, talking about Japanese guys' lust for school girls in uniform is not extremely relevant!

Anyway, I feel a lot closer to the Japanese definition of morals than the Euro-American one, if you wanna know!

[bunge]

Originally posted by The One to Rescue
I was not judging the morals of Japanese people at all! Just telling that it is very different from ours, and that therefore, talking about Japanese guys' lust for school girls in uniform is not extremely relevant!

Anyway, I feel a lot closer to the Japanese definition of morals than the Euro-American one, if you wanna know!

Hey, it's all cool with me. I didn't mean to accuse you or be harsh.

I have to agree with BRussell's blonde hair argument and point #2 since they support's my case.

[The One to Rescue]

Originally posted by bunge
Hey, it's all cool with me. I didn't mean to accuse you or be harsh.

I have to agree with BRussell's blonde hair argument and point #2 since they support's my case.

No problem bunge!

I also definitely agree with BRussell's point #2.
By the way, here in Japan, BRussell's point #1 is the king of them all : everything that looks childish here is considered as cute and everything cute is seen as incredibly sexy on a girl.

On BRussell's blonde hair argument : I believe that what is perceived as sexy is what is very rare and what you don't have... for example, although childish is sexy in Japan, japanese guys fantasy on big breasts, because very few Japanese girls have big breasts.

Oh by the way, bunge, I read my post again, and I think that the part you thought was racist was the "utterly strange morals" part. Actually, it IS strange for a european, really, but not bad at all. It's just that they are incredibly more open than us on sex. For example, people check the porn magazines right in the store instead of hiding themselves while looking at them, and they often have family baths (actually, this seems to depend on the families, but in the family i did a homestay in, i was used to bathing with my three little "sisters") and go to public baths, and prostitution is not seen as a sordid thing at all (actually, though i have never witnessed such a thing, two japanese buddies of mine explained to me that girls in highschool sometimes prostitute after school, and that it is perceived as very posh), etc...

[giant]

I always liked thinner women because it's easier to pick them up and move them around. Seriously. That and because I'm fit so I was never looking for some jack sprat relationship.