Do you have a PC to complement your Mac?

[satchmo]

This is a Mac forum but gone are the days (I think) that PC's are the evil empire. We co-exist and there's no mistaking that the majority of the world uses PC's.

And as I happily use my iMac G4 everyday, I'm often irked by software or services not offered to Mac users. It's gotten to the point where I may just get a cheapo PIII desktop for games, chat and other mundane stuff. Perhaps sell my iMac and get a new iBook/PB and add the PC.

I'll never leave the Mac platform as I do most of my professional work on it. Plus OSX is simply too nice to not use.
Others here have a similar set up?

[HHogan]

I'm on the flipside... I have a Mac to compliment my PCs.

[Maffrew]

At the moment, i have a Mac (15" PowerBook) to complement my PC (Athlon 3000 based XP system). However, i enjoy using Mac OS X so much that i'm planning to sell my PC system and use the money to buy a new iMac and go Mac only.

[JimDreamworx]

Nope, no point. Haven't used a Windows or Linux box in too many years. Only contact I have is with people who switch, and usually I take the hard drive and move the data on a Mac. Got no use for Intel.

[ijerry]

Work uses PCs, I am tired of their quirks, so I bring in my Powerbook so I can get work done. I don't want adware, spyware, popups, viruses, daily patches, restarts, programs not talking to each other, forgotten preferences, lockups, reboots, system restores, defrags, network communication problems, random OS level pop-ups, and on and on...

I will never spend a dime on a PC, I would sell one if given to me. A PC could never be a compliment to anything except a trash can. I still can't get a PC to run games as fast as I can a PowerMac, even with top of the line processors 1 gig ram and a top end graphics card. Not sure how people set theirs up to do it, but our PCs choke on Photoshop let alone a game...

I will stay happy and trouble-shoot free with my Mac thank you very much...I don't have time to waste, I have to get my work done and meet deadlines to make money, and I can't on the PC with the troubles it gets on its own, and I don't trust anything on it...

[GreggWSmith]

I am pretty much full time Mac. But, there are some programs and corporate websites that require Windows. I have a 12inch PB and a IBM Thinkpad X31.

[Towel]

I occasionally need to run Windows software for lab, wanted an always-on box with a command line to run long jobs, and wanted to play with GNU/Linux. A cheapo AthlonXP eMachines box did the trick nicely. It mostly runs Gentoo, but I can boot into Windows if I need to. I would never give up using my iBook as my daily work/production machine, though. Visiting the other side just makes you appreciate how good it is here. :)

[a_greer]

Originally posted by ijerry
I still can't get a PC to run games as fast as I can a PowerMac, that is amazing, do you have a g6? it is known and documented that PCs play games better. even the loyalest apple koolaid drinker will admit that.

[opuscroakus]

Originally posted by a_greer
that is amazing, do you have a g6? it is known and documented that PCs play games better. even the loyalest apple koolaid drinker will admit that.

Really? My G4 tower will smoke any pc you bring to the table playing Airburst. (Can't wait for Airburst Extreme) And it's only a 1GHz with a Radeon Mac Edition! :p :p :p

I have a pc I built with my own three hands and it in no way compliments my G4. It's loud, it has to have a slew of virus/sypware programs running, and it runs XP. About the only reason I keep it around is... wait, why do I keep it around??? :err:

[NOFEER]

i have a dell laptop for one stinking program for work, it sits next to my wifes ibook to constantly remind me of the way things should be. my wife won't use this dell and when vpc comes out and reviewed i will see if it runs the program on the ibook then poooooooffff no more dell
hey most people use windows as default not because they choose to do so.

hey i wonder if those at&t pc cards could work with a a powerbook so i can get wireless internet

[ijerry]

Originally posted by a_greer
that is amazing, do you have a g6? it is known and documented that PCs play games better. even the loyalest apple koolaid drinker will admit that.

So I have heard and read...Just can't seem to replicate the findings...Not sure what is going on. We have AMD 2800s, and Radeon 9800 pros. It chokes on anything above 800 x 600 for any FPS. Not sure if the configuration is jacked or what, and this is with a gig of ram...These are custom made boxes...I scratch my head when I hear people tell me that PCs are so much faster at running games. It is just not so for me in a real world application...Again, maybe we are doing something wrong, not sure, but the G5 can run the FPS at full res without a hiccup. This is the dual 2 Ghz mind you, not even the newest ones, and it does have 2 gigs of ram, but still...I mean come on...I am not disputing anyones claims that the PC is faster at games, I am just saying that I cannot replicate it on my own...Perhaps I should just sit both out there and let the PC guys see what it is I am doing, that or they will want the G5...

[Giaguara]

I have only a Mac home. I work only on Macs at work .. :)

I could think of getting a pc .. just for the fun of it. But to make it run something like Debian .. M$-free. (as I am at work too, and loving it). ;)

[highfalutintodd]

Used to. Hasn't been powered up in months.

[jwri004]

I use my work Dull to vent my frustration on, but it deserves every punch it gets :smokey:

[DrBoar]

I have some PCs I got for free that I run distributed computing on. I also will get a PC for some apps that are not aviable for the mac. (loudspeaker measurements). I am also thinking about getting it for Flight sims as the last FS on the Mac that I liked was Hellcats and that was 12 years ago.

Will I ever use the PC as my primary computer? Not as long as there is OS X:D

[IonYz]

Been meaning to build a gaming PC for over a year but in the end it never pans out. Now that one of the few games I play regularly might not be ported to Mac (new version of Urban Terror based on ET) I'll be forced to buy a PC to play with my clan.

[a_greer]

Do you have a PC to complement your Mac?
can a PC complement a Mac? That is like saying "do you have an 89 ford taurus to complement your 2004 Mercaides" Both will get you where you need to go, but one just does it a hell of a lot better, looks nicer and has a world famous hood orniment that proudley tells everyone that you have taste, style, sophistication and a little bit of money.

(I am working on the latter...$$)

[bka77]

My PC is a Mac.

[a_greer]

Originally posted by bka77
My PC is a Mac. And because the G5 is an IBM, that makes the Mac IBM compatable...what a tangled web we weave.....

[Performa636CD]

i have an IBM thinkpad to "compliment" my G4 PB. until Macs can run 100% of the software a PC can, i'll always own both types of systems.

[Night_Owl]

I do all my work on Macs. At work and home. I was thinking about getting a PC for the odd occasion where a PC would be needed. PCs are as cheap as toys so why not.

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by ijerry
Work uses PCs, I am tired of their quirks, so I bring in my Powerbook so I can get work done. I don't want adware, spyware, popups, viruses, daily patches, restarts, programs not talking to each other, forgotten preferences, lockups, reboots, system restores, defrags, network communication problems, random OS level pop-ups, and on and on...

I will never spend a dime on a PC, I would sell one if given to me. A PC could never be a compliment to anything except a trash can. I still can't get a PC to run games as fast as I can a PowerMac, even with top of the line processors 1 gig ram and a top end graphics card. Not sure how people set theirs up to do it, but our PCs choke on Photoshop let alone a game...

I will stay happy and trouble-shoot free with my Mac thank you very much...I don't have time to waste, I have to get my work done and meet deadlines to make money, and I can't on the PC with the troubles it gets on its own, and I don't trust anything on it...

I have a 15" Ti Powerbook that I also bring to work and do a good bit of my work on it. I couldent agree with you more on the laundry list of bullshit you constantly have to overcome just to get day-to-day activities done. I recently parted a 2.8 ghz P4 together when I was offered a killer deal on the case, motherboard, processor, and ram (I have since come to learn the deal, however cheap it was, was not killer). I hate hate hate hate using windows xp. I cant find where I put things. It constantly decides that its going to shut down in the middle of my PC only 3D apps, which is the only reason I convinced myself to get it.

To top it all off I have a friend who I constantly debate over the PC/Mac merits and I get so pissed off when he tells me how the Mac is just expensive hardware (only because it looks good), It cant perform powerful opperations and is not useful when it comes to the "level" of programing he does, They are not nearly as customizable as PC's, and "Artsy" people like myself only get them because they are easy to use and have smiley face and puppy-dog icons. I have truely debated if this is a friendship I need to have everytime this debate comes up. :grumble:

I am certain that PC people have been completely duped into thinking PC's are the only way to go. I often fanticize about becoming very very wealthy and just roaming the earth purchasing Macs for random people and making their lives better...sort of a year-round saint Mac :D

[a_greer]

Originally posted by Playmaker
It constantly decides that its going to shut down in the middle of my PC only 3D apps, which is the only reason I convinced myself to get it.
If by shut down you mean restart, then that is probably the result of bad (uber-cheap if the price is too good to be true, then it is) RAM, try other ram chips, try to stick to reputible brands like crucial.

If by shut down you mean power off, change your power supply and run a UPS that should fix most any power irregularity.

as bad as windows is, these two problems can make windows 1000x worse

I am certain that PC people have been completely duped into thinking PC's are the only way to go. I often fanticize about becoming very very wealthy and just roaming the earth purchasing Macs for random people and making their lives better...sort of a year-round saint Mac
Start with me please...

[ijerry]

Originally posted by Playmaker
I have a 15" Ti Powerbook that I also bring to work and do a good bit of my work on it. I couldent agree with you more on the laundry list of bullshit you constantly have to overcome just to get day-to-day activities done. I recently parted a 2.8 ghz P4 together when I was offered a killer deal on the case, motherboard, processor, and ram (I have since come to learn the deal, however cheap it was, was not killer). I hate hate hate hate using windows xp. I cant find where I put things. It constantly decides that its going to shut down in the middle of my PC only 3D apps, which is the only reason I convinced myself to get it.

To top it all off I have a friend who I constantly debate over the PC/Mac merits and I get so pissed off when he tells me how the Mac is just expensive hardware (only because it looks good), It cant perform powerful opperations and is not useful when it comes to the "level" of programing he does, They are not nearly as customizable as PC's, and "Artsy" people like myself only get them because they are easy to use and have smiley face and puppy-dog icons. I have truely debated if this is a friendship I need to have everytime this debate comes up. :grumble:

I am certain that PC people have been completely duped into thinking PC's are the only way to go. I often fanticize about becoming very very wealthy and just roaming the earth purchasing Macs for random people and making their lives better...sort of a year-round saint Mac :D

Oh yeah, the cool thing is that here at work everyone that was a solid PC user is now going to get a Mac a couple have since bought iPods and they want to move the server to a Mac just because mine is always working. They now see first hand how much better the Mac is, and everyone buying a computer at home is getting a Mac, those that are not upgrading at home just are amazed at how far the OS has come...That at least brings a smile to my face, that and shutting down the PC when I get in to work!;)

[iDunno]

we have a family PC that sits opposite my mac... I only use the PC for on line banking (I knew I shouldn't have deleted IE from my mac)

iDunno.

[a_greer]

Originally posted by iDunno
we have a family PC that sits opposite my mac... I only use the PC for on line banking (I knew I shouldn't have deleted IE from my mac)

iDunno. What ass-backwards bank doesn't work on netscape/mozilla? IE is a giant security hole with a web browser tossed in at no extra charge, particularly on windows.

BTW Great user name iDunno, that is cool

[IonYz]

Originally posted by iDunno
we have a family PC that sits opposite my mac... I only use the PC for on line banking (I knew I shouldn't have deleted IE from my mac)

Hmm, you can always download IE (http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/internetexplorer/internetexplorer.aspx) right? :???:

[Kickaha]

Originally posted by Performa636CD
i have an IBM thinkpad to "compliment" my G4 PB. until Macs can run 100% of the software a PC can, i'll always own both types of systems.

God, I know what you mean. Why do you think I keep that Commodore64 around? Until the PC can run all that software...

:P

I think what you *meant* to say was "Until Macs can run 100% of the software that I need to use on a PC, at the same speeds..." because, you know, there's always VirtualPC...

[Eugene]

I have a 2.4 GHz P4 @ 2.88 GHz with a Radeon 9700 Pro that I use primarily for Counter-Strike and web browsing...

[talksense101]

I use a Mac at home. I stopped using my PC since October of last year. I do like RPGs and I am going to try World of Warcraft on the Mac. If it doesn't work out, I will be forced to build a gaming rig. I don't want that to happen.

I use a PC at work. I work in the Software industry and I have been stuck with the PC since the '80s.

[iBook]

My PC Compliments my Mac all the time. Just today it told it how nice it looked today.

[Republic]

I do, but the only thing the old Celeron-class machine does these days is sit there.

[Placebo]

I don't have a PC to compliment my Mac, but I have a Mac to constantly insult all PCs in the area.

[madmax559]

im curious why is there so much angst against pc's ?

there wouldnt be an osx without the solid bsd foundation its
built on. osx users owe the freebsd a lot.

also the mac is technically a pc :)
instead of bashing windows & linux ..which is ironic
since osx is based on unix why not try to create something
does anyone on this forum actually code for a living ?
please spare me the web stuff...im talking about actually
hardcore engineering, protocol stacks, rtos's etc etc

so before you armchair geniuses spew venom take a moment
to think about the sheer amount of work people have put into
something.

[Kickaha]

BSD predates PCs by a number of years.

Windows deserves the venom thrown at it, technologically, it's a piece of crap. My hats are off to the developers who actually manage to make it do anything worthwhile, because MS certainly didn't try very hard.

And yes, I code for a living, you could say... finishing my PhD in software engineering and architecture design, developing tools for real world practitioners to analyze OO code and produce design documents directly from source code. Basically, it lets you find instances of design patterns in any OO language (except Eiffel, for some esoteric reasons), in a way that's not dependent on static language constructs in the code. Currently writing up the tool to transform gcc translation unit dump trees of C++ into an XML schema I devised for use in other tools I've written.

All of it on my PowerBook. Tried the Windows route (after working with in industry developing military flight simulators), decided it was way more trouble than it would ever be worth, and went back to MacOS X.

Hardcore enough? :)

Yes, a lot of work has been put into Windows... but quantity is not quality.

[Cake]

Originally posted by madmax559
im curious why is there so much angst against pc's ?
I used to hate PC's, but I was addicted to Unreal Tournament, so about five years ago I built my first gaming rig.

I still prefer my Macs over my PC's, but building my own machines (five so far) has forced me to learn PC's inside and out. You make one mistake and you have a dead machine, then you have to figure what the heck happened to get the damn thing running again!

Knowing both platforms is a great advantage over excluding one or the other IMO (plus, PC's make great folding machines (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=39160)!).

[a_greer]

Originally posted by Kickaha
\Yes, a lot of work has been put into Windows... but quantity is not quality. BINGO!!!! It doesnt matter if 100 million man hrs have been spent on windows, it is a peice of junk.

I think MS has one last chance, they need to stop all work on xp and ready and release longhorn SOON, keeping a minimal team on for longhorn maintenance, then start from the ground up building a new OS, takeing nothing - not the FS or kernal, not the gui, not the tcp implementation - NOTHING from the 2k/xp/longhorn code base and get it done and gold by 2010.

I dont see M$ doing this and as such, I see them, not going under but looseing their dominance, as the market matures, there will be a shift, I look for the numbers in 2010 to look like this:
windows 50%
mac 35%
linux 2% (servers and nerds, linuix is doing nothing for user freindliness)
some unforeseen yet to be announced os(maybe a consumer OS from SUN) 23%

[Res]

Originally posted by Cake
I used to hate PC's, but I was addicted to Unreal Tournament, so about five years ago I built my first gaming rig.

I still prefer my Macs over my PC's, but building my own machines (five so far) has forced me to learn PC's inside and out. You make one mistake and you have a dead machine, then you have to figure what the heck happened to get the damn thing running again!

Knowing both platforms is a great advantage over excluding one or the other IMO (plus, PC's make great folding machines (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=39160)!).

Same thing happened to me. I loved UT when it came out and was terribly frustrated that I could not get a Mac to run it at a high enough frame rate (I had the fastest mac and got the best voodoo card for it, but that was back when Apple was falling behind in power, so I was just out of luck).

So I bought all the parts and built my first PC (a 700MHz Athlon with an original Radeon card). Since then I've build two other gaming computers and I have most of the parts for my next one.

[Thereubster]

I have a PC as well as my iBook G4 because I need the clockspeed (3Ghz+) and hard drive speed and space for digital audio. I dont have the PC connected to the internet so I dont have to worry about security. And yes before you ask, I would prefer a G5 and yes OSX IS better for digital audio but it all come down to price, esp. in New Zealand (the most expensive place in the WORLD to buy Apple stuff) I built a P4 3.4Ghz/1Gb ram/2x160Gb SATA HD raid/DVD burner plus other stuff for a THIRD of the price of a 2.0Ghz G5. Apple cannot continue to price-gouge its customers like this.
Make no mistake, I like the iBook way more as a total experience, and have been a Mac user for over 15 years, but my PC does exactly what I need, its fast, stable (I never have problems with XP, maybe I'm just lucky) and MUCH cheaper than any Mac, even an Emac.
I think you will find that is a lot of the reason Mac users also have a PC.

[Placebo]

Originally posted by Cake
I used to hate PC's, but I was addicted to Unreal Tournament, so about five years ago I built my first gaming rig.
UT2004 isn't out for Mac, is it? :rolleyes:



EDIT: You mean UT99. Sorry.

[TekMate]

I have multiple PCs but only 1 Mac, but all my PCs run Linux not Windows. My Mac dual boots with OS X and Linux.

[Chikara]

I used a PC for a little while to play CounterStrike :-D

other then that, I hate that thing.

[Splinemodel]

I have a big, ugly homebuilt Athlon 2000 system. I bought it from this dude who had to move at the spur of the moment, and he sold it to me along with a couple boxes of other crap for $500. After selling the other trash on eBay, the net cost of the PC was $170. Not bad.

Otherwise, I have a Sawtooth Dual 500 (with wicked SCSI raid) that I got for free from university surplus when I was in college. I also have a PBG4 Ti 1GHz. I'm waiting for the next big thing in powerbooks.

But I digress. I have the PC just to shut up the pointy-haired-boss the investors made us hire. He's sort of a jerk about me woring on the mac, but he has less stock than I do so he can't really do much about it.

[madmax559]

Originally posted by Kickaha
BSD predates PCs by a number of years.

Windows deserves the venom thrown at it, technologically, it's a piece of crap. My hats are off to the developers who actually manage to make it do anything worthwhile, because MS certainly didn't try very hard.

And yes, I code for a living, you could say... finishing my PhD in software engineering and architecture design, developing tools for real world practitioners to analyze OO code and produce design documents directly from source code. Basically, it lets you find instances of design patterns in any OO language (except Eiffel, for some esoteric reasons), in a way that's not dependent on static language constructs in the code. Currently writing up the tool to transform gcc translation unit dump trees of C++ into an XML schema I devised for use in other tools I've written.

All of it on my PowerBook. Tried the Windows route (after working with in industry developing military flight simulators), decided it was way more trouble than it would ever be worth, and went back to MacOS X.

Hardcore enough? :)

Yes, a lot of work has been put into Windows... but quantity is not quality.


doh,....i hope you didnt do something silly like using gcc under
wiindows via cygwin for the translation tool
as for the other tool i presume you are referring to patterns defined
by GOF. i thought there was a already a tool on the market that did that
..and yes i do know that bsd predates windows.
nt 3.51 was the last decent version i actually liked before they did
something stupid & move a ton of gdi stuff into ring 0 causing
all sorts of screwups under nt4 aka no stability

apart from a few people here the rest need to whacked on the head
with a stevens or bach book..

[madmax559]

as for you gaming guys.
opengl 2 was just finalized so expect to see that sometime in
an update to tiger
a big kudos to carmack & co for keeping opengl alive & relevant
in the gaming space

[Kickaha]

Originally posted by madmax559
doh,....i hope you didnt do something silly like using gcc under
wiindows via cygwin for the translation tool

Feh. No way in hades... cygwin isn't worth it, IMHO. Much better off just making it dual-boot with Linux if you need a Unix environment.

as for the other tool i presume you are referring to patterns defined
by GOF. i thought there was a already a tool on the market that did that

There are a couple that can find specific constructs in specific languages, in limited ways. The most successful one is probably TogetherSoft's suite... but it requires you to write the code in their tools to begin with, so it annotates the code with markup so it can find it later. My system works on any code from any system, in (almost) any OO language, and is easily trainable for site- or team-specific patterns that may crop up. :) It's a little bit of a step up. ;)

[Didjerama]

I got a pc, i used it for everything until i was conterved last year when we got G5 Macs at college. (I study Graphic design). Now the only use my pc gets is for gaming.

[Uberspleef]

Got a PC to run ArcView, and now that I'm done with the project, on the rare occasion I need ArcView, it's run (believe it or not) in RealPC, in Classic, in Panther on a G3/800 iBook. Not the fastest, but it works.

The PC has now been relegated to serving up generous helpings of UT2004, but that's about it. My daily work is done on a G3/800 iBook, or a Beige MT G4/400...simply b/c OS X makes using a computer a pleasure, as opposed to blocky text and viruses out the rear w/XP.

[I-bent-my-wookie]

i have an athlon box with a good nvidia card. i have constantly upgraded the machine from a celeron 400 many years ago to the athlon 2400. as a matter of fact the only original part is the case! i have used it for windows software development and web development and of course, games. but for the last year i have hardly done any development at home because of an ongoing full-time contract where i cant take any work home (simply not allowed for security). but ahhhhhh, the games. colin mcrae 2004, TOCA 2, UT2004, Doom3, Far Cry (new fave), Tiger Woods 2004 (way better gameplay+graphics than '03), plus countless older driving games like my all-time favourite rally game British Rally Championship... super realistic track maps, very difficult. i could go on and on about the games <drooling> AND my all-time favourite on-road game Sports Car GT, what an awesome driving physics model in that game.

so the pc has become a games-only machine... oh and i track my budget with it as well, and am working on a home-grown .NET class library. mmmm, object oriented. but i certainly dont run outlook or any other crap like that. all my mail and most my surfing is done on my emac (soon magically turning to new imac).

running an emac now, soon to be an imac3. the emac replaced an icebook 600. the icebook replaced a couple of used 7500's. the 7500's replaced a used 6100. the 6100 replaced an LC575 which was my first mac ever (purchased new through uni in '94 or '95).

i'll never switch totally but i'll certainly use my pc less and less. as a matter of fact it is weird for me to only have 1 pc, i hadn't thought about that in a while. now my mac does the work of many pc's! :lol:

[groverat]

BINGO!!!! It doesnt matter if 100 million man hrs have been spent on windows, it is a peice of junk.

I think MS has one last chance, they need to stop all work on xp and ready and release longhorn SOON, keeping a minimal team on for longhorn maintenance, then start from the ground up building a new OS, takeing nothing - not the FS or kernal, not the gui, not the tcp implementation - NOTHING from the 2k/xp/longhorn code base and get it done and gold by 2010.

I dont see M$ doing this and as such, I see them, not going under but looseing their dominance, as the market matures, there will be a shift, I look for the numbers in 2010 to look like this:
windows 50%
mac 35%
linux 2% (servers and nerds, linuix is doing nothing for user freindliness)
some unforeseen yet to be announced os(maybe a consumer OS from SUN) 23%

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Windows is fine. Once Microsoft realizes they need to build virus protection into the OS the majority of Windows gripes go out the window (no pun intended). Spyware can be controlled with an improved IE.

Windows is getting better with every new release. Ignore it if you want, but it's true.

If Windows is to be dethroned (which it is not), it will be Linux, not MacOS, that does it.

The platform wars are over. MS won a long time ago.

Pardon me while I go make sure all the Macs in my lab have their security updates.

[ijerry]

I will have to agree with Groverat. Apple will not get that high while maintaining control over both the hardware and software. It offers no variance, or personal configs for those people that choose a PC for that purpose.

MS won the war with market saturation, and if people don't update to whatever MS is making, they will still be using older OSes until they HAVE to upgrade, but to get them to ditch the PC and go Mac is a reach and a half.

The Mac will not become king, but it doesn't have to. Apple will be around for a while, and continues to lead the industry in innovation. As long as it continues to please and raise eyebrows it will be a great alternative to the stuff Redmond puts out.

[Splinemodel]

I disagree.

As OSes get so complicated, it starts to become exceedingly difficult to maintain a proprietary, monolithic kernel, such as the case with Windows. Not even MS can do it, even with all the money they dump into their projects.

As long as Windows is on top, and as long as Microsoft maintains its position to insist on proprietary, monolithic kernels, the hackers will always be several steps ahead.

I don't ever think that all software will be open source, but as of late there's a clearly illuminated motive to embrace the open source movement as a means of getting unbeatable quality control and real-world prototyping before the product is even conceived.

End of tangent.

[satchmo]

Originally posted by groverat


The platform wars are over. MS won a long time ago.



Ain't that the truth. But I think deep down we all kind of hoped that OSX had a chance at making a dent. Surely it has won over some PC users, but alas we're still at 2% marketshare.

Ideally, Apple would have 10% marketshare, and 30% mindshare.
More support from developers, institutions, etc...but still small enough that hackers wouldn't bother to write viruses.

[Dogcow]

One day I decided it might be fun to build a computer. I looked around a few websites and ordered some parts. I spent a hungover Saturday afternoon with a friend building the computer. After spending about 8 hours trying to figure out how the heat sink worked, finding an IDE cable and realizing the optical drive was defective, we had a working computer. To celebrate our feat we had another party.

Anyway, I have the PC sitting next to my desk now. I use it basically as a file server and something to tinker around with (I was able to overclock it a little). I mostly use Remote Desktop to interact with it, but I have a cheap CRT set up with it which I use as a DVD player occasionally.

I did it for about $400-500 not including monitor or Windows. The graphics card is on the motherboard so I really can't use it for games unless i get a real card, maybe someday.

My main computer is a 800Mhz iMac G4 17". I still prefer to use it over the 1.83Ghz AMD Athlon PC.

[Chikara]

I hope M$ never gets behind. As far as I am concerned there is enough apple products out and I can stand waiting for games or using my PS2.

I love having a comp where I am not worried about every little virus...the whole file compatibilty from my friends is an issue. But basically I can read most of the stuff I get.

my PC messes up when all it has to do is play CounterStrike and Rise of Nations. How the hell can it be so hard to run two games, once a week maybe?