Ali Dashti: Re Irshad Manji (Take 2)

[ghost killa]

Posted September 10, 2004 04:30 PM (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003157.php)
I share your misgivings of Irshad Manji, the darling of the PC and Left intelligentsia.

The interesting thing about Irshad Manji is when she is pressed as to why she does not leave Islam, considering all she knows of Islam, replies in an apologetic and devious way, that there are many good things in Islam and she hopes for a more peaceful interpretation of the Koran or a Reformation. On both counts, she knows that this is not possible. As long as she continues to define herself as a Muslim, ipso facto, she believes that Mohammed is the messenger of Allah and is the role model for mankind. How on earth anyone can honestly regard Mohammed as a role model for mankind, beats me.

So why does she and Schwartz do it. To me there is a lurking suspicion that this is all part of the war. Deception and disinformation have always been part of a major war and both Schwartz and Manji are practising it. In the last two years there has been a hue and cry in the West, trying to find the Moderate Muslims (MM). This desire to find MM is crucial to the continuation of multi-culturalism. Without MM, the whole project dies. The LLL thus gives these two individuals far greater space then honest ex-Muslims such as Ali Sena and Ibn Warraq.

And so here they are, Schwartz and Manji, for their own reasons, willing to satisfy the panic search for MM. But these two do it for their own reasons. As confessed Muslims, they realise that the Muslim project in the West is at a dangerous pass. No MM and the PC multi-culti LLL media will begin to come to conclusions that endangers the ummah in the West. So the LLL multi-culti crowd and the Ummah need each other for their own particular projects. However, given the exponential growth of the Ummah in the West, all it requires is for Manji, Schwartz and others who may follow them, to lull the West for another 30 years or so. By then it will be too late, according to their way of thinking, for LLL and us, to do anything about it. Well they are wrong. We are awake to the danger. In fact most Western leaders are awake to the danger but are not yet ready to state the case.

I think we would be far better relying on Ali Sena, when he states that Islam cannot be reformed. He probably, has far more knowledge and understanding of Islam then Manji. Genuine honesty is the one single attribute that seems to be missing from the writings of Manji and Schwartz. It is what damns them.

It is said that with present demographic trends, Europe will be Muslim before the end of the century. I believe this would mean the end of Western civilization. Is talk of Islamic reform by so called moderate Muslims just a sinister Islamic tactic of deception (See: Takkiya/ Taqqiya), and do we still have the luxury to be believing them?

[MarcUK]

Which is exactly why people need to be educated on the pagan origins of their religion.

'there is no evidence of a Christian or Islamic God'.

'All ancient religions were formed on sun-worship - and this was understood by a large proportion of its followers'

'Christianity and Islam' are rehashed ancient sun-worship, foolishly taken literally and were propogated by cruel force, terror, and ignorance.

'Christianity and Islam both breed intolerance, bigotry, self-deceit, violence, terrorism, conflict, intolerance, mistrust and ignorance.

This is the real education that will possibly save mankind from the forthcoming religious armageddon which appears to be coming more strongly every day.

[hardeeharhar]

Western civilization?

What do you define as western civilization?

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Western civilization?

What do you define as western civilization?

Where do you live?

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Where do you live?

Lets say Bangkok.

[Stoo]

What about people who live in Greenwich, 00° longitude ? Are they west or east ?

[bunge]

Originally posted by Stoo
What about people who live in Greenwich, 00° longitude ? Are they west or east ?

According to ghost killa, that would depend on the color of their skin.

[tonton]

"As long as she continues to define herself as a Muslim, ipso facto, she believes that Mohammed is the messenger of Allah and is the role model for mankind. How on earth anyone can honestly regard Mohammed as a role model for mankind, beats me."

Some well-known Christian Role Models:

Martin Luther (http://www.awitness.org/books/luther/)
John Calvin (http://www.bcbsr.com/topics/servetus.html)

[Harald]

In the 18th Century, it was said that with then current trends, London would be covered by 12 feet of horse shit.

Something about horse shit and this thread ... now, what was it ...

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Lets say Bangkok.

I meant from what planet? ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by bunge
According to ghost killa, that would depend on the color of their skin.

:wow: :mad:

[ghost killa]

Seems by the response I'm getting so far, not many here are really fazed by the prospect of Islamic domination over Europe/ Eurabia, and are probably eagerly awaiting that day.


At least we know where we all stand.

[bunge]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Seems by the response I'm getting so far, not many here are really fazed by the prospect of Islamic domination over Europe/ Eurabia, and are probably eagerly awaiting that day. At least we know where we all stand.

No, people are just tired of your racist crap.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by bunge
No, people are just tired of your racist crap.

No. Your crude personal attacks are getting tired.

[Harald]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Seems by the response I'm getting so far, not many here are really fazed by the prospect of Islamic domination over Europe/ Eurabia, and are probably eagerly awaiting that day.


At least we know where we all stand.

Yes, that's right Mika. I can't wait for the day that sharia law rules my life, and my personal freedoms are curtailed.

Allahu akhbar.

Twat.

[bunge]

Originally posted by ghost killa
No. Your crude personal attacks are getting tired.

Well quit making racist comments and no one will be able to point them out.

Tired of personal attacks? What was the post to which I responded...

Seems by the response I'm getting so far, not many here are really fazed by the prospect of Islamic domination over Europe/ Eurabia, and are probably eagerly awaiting that day.

Let me guess, you'll lie and say that wasn't meant as a personal attack, right?

Religion will continue to transform, rise in power and fade away. Deal with it.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by bunge
Well quit making racist comments and no one will be able to point them out.


Is lying a compulsive disorder for you bunge? There's nothing I've said that can be remotely regarded is racist. Nothing. Of course pointing out the truth automatically qualifies any non-leftist as a "racist" or "fascist" or "nazi", etc. This tired old tactic of screaming "racist" or "stupid" at anyone you leftists mofos disagree with is typical, but on this board it has become an epidemic. (I hope the moderators start taking some disciplanary action in this regard).

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by Harald
Yes, that's right Mika. I can't wait for the day that sharia law rules my life, and my personal freedoms are curtailed.

Allahu akhbar.

Twat.

:wow:

How is it that you're still allowed to get away with this kind of behavior is beyond me.

[ghost killa]

My view is that waiting and indulging Islamists means waiting for law and order to break down. As the muslim population expands and grows more malevolent in Europe, laws will be of little help. There will be nothing stopping armed Islamic mobs from terror attacks, murdering the infidels in their homes and in the streets. They have done such on many occasions in other parts of the world. This expansionist totalitarian ideology is evil and its rabid misogynistic followers are hell bent on world domination as they rape, rob, torture, lie and kill to reach that goal.

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by ghost killa
My view is that waiting and indulging Islamists means waiting for law and order to break down. As the muslim population expands and grows more malevolent in Europe, laws will be of little help. There will be nothing stopping armed Islamic mobs from terror attacks, murdering the infidels in their homes and in the streets. They have done such on many occasions in other parts of the world. This expansionist totalitarian ideology is evil and its rabid misogynistic followers are hell bent on world domination as they rape, rob, torture, lie and kill to reach that goal.


And the same can be said of Christian Fundamentalist in other periods of time. And Vikings. I like Vikings...

In all cases the human will to overcome humanity's weaknesses, such as irrational fear which leads to overheated assumptions and conculsions that bring about angry responses and needless loss of life, wins. You ghost killa are just the other side of the coin... spin coin spin...

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
And the same can be said of Christian Fundamentalist in other periods of time. And Vikings. I like Vikings...

In all cases the human will to overcome humanity's weaknesses, such as irrational fear which leads to overheated assumptions and conculsions that bring about angry responses and needless loss of life, wins. You ghost killa are just the other side of the coin... spin coin spin...


These forces weren't beaten back by people burying their collective heads in the ground. And screaming "RACIST" at someone pointing out the dangers this murderous expansionist ideology presents to our civilization isn't going to help defeat this menace.

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by ghost killa
These forces weren't beaten back by people burying their collective heads in the ground. And screaming "RACIST" at someone pointing out the dangers this murderous expansionist ideology presents to our civilization isn't going to help defeat this menace.

It is not politically acceptable to raise this issue.
It is not militarily acceptable to raise this issue.

It is however possible to defeat this problem, if it exists, by educating members of the various religions as to the origins and reality of their 'evil' doctrines, of which I gave insight into in my first reply.

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by ghost killa
These forces weren't beaten back by people burying their collective heads in the ground. And screaming "RACIST" at someone pointing out the dangers this murderous expansionist ideology presents to our civilization isn't going to help defeat this menace.

You are part of the problem.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
You are part of the problem.

What do you mean?

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by ghost killa
What do you mean?

Let us just say that the sucess of the Muslim extremists is strongly dependent on the psychology of the belief that they (the Muslim people, and their culture) is under attack from the West. You have expressed a similar view that "our" way is under attack from Islam and its minions. Basically, this view on either side results in more death than is necessary. It is a matter of history that these views are wrong.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Let us just say that the sucess of the Muslim extremists is strongly dependent on the psychology of the belief that they (the Muslim people, and their culture) is under attack from the West. You have expressed a similar view that "our" way is under attack from Islam and its minions. Basically, this view on either side results in more death than is necessary. It is a matter of history that these views are wrong.


Interesting. One certainly could argue that such attitudes can increase and harden tensions between groups. A valid point, no doubt. But do you not believe that there exists an existential clash between our two value systems? And is any amount of "diplomacy" going to alleviate it?

[Frank777]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Let us just say that the sucess of the Muslim extremists is strongly dependent on the psychology of the belief that they (the Muslim people, and their culture) is under attack from the West. You have expressed a similar view that "our" way is under attack from Islam and its minions. Basically, this view on either side results in more death than is necessary. It is a matter of history that these views are wrong.

Just want to interject for a minute with a question hardee:

Hasn't military expansionism always been a major part of Islamic doctrine?

I don't want to minimize the stupid dealings the West has had with Arabian dictators that have made things worse. But in another thread we were discussing Islamic expansionism and the Crusades, and it dawned on me that this thing has been going on far longer than "the West" as we know it, has existed.

[New]

Originally posted by Frank777
Just want to interject for a minute with a question hardee:

Hasn't military expansionism always been a major part of Islamic doctrine?

I don't want to minimize the stupid dealings the West has had with Arabian dictators that have made things worse. But in another thread we were discussing Islamic expansionism and the Crusades, and it dawned on me that this thing has been going on far longer than "the West" as we know it, has existed.

Then you should go back to history class.

The spread of christianity has been A) more violent by far, B) going on longer in a violent fashion, by far.

I would just like to point out that in Islam, Jesus is accepted as an important role-model. So there.

[rampancy]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Is lying a compulsive disorder for you bunge? There's nothing I've said that can be remotely regarded is racist. Nothing.


And then, a few posts down...

Originally posted by ghost killa
My view is that waiting and indulging Islamists means waiting for law and order to break down. As the muslim population expands and grows more malevolent in Europe, laws will be of little help. There will be nothing stopping armed Islamic mobs from terror attacks, murdering the infidels in their homes and in the streets. They have done such on many occasions in other parts of the world. This expansionist totalitarian ideology is evil and its rabid misogynistic followers are hell bent on world domination as they rape, rob, torture, lie and kill to reach that goal.



Who's the liar now?

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by rampancy

Who's the liar now?

I think you might be defining racist as anti-religious.

[bunge]

Originally posted by MarcUK
I think you might be defining racist as anti-religious.

Mika certainly isn't anti-religious. Just anti-any-religion-other-than-Judiasm. A racist to be more precise.

[giant]

Originally posted by bunge
No, people are just tired of your racist crap.
That's why he's been banned so many times.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by bunge
Mika certainly isn't anti-religious. Just anti-any-religion-other-than-Judiasm. A racist to be more precise.

I suggest you keep checking your private messages box. You might have an important message from one of the moderators regarding your gag.

[New]

Originally posted by ghost killa
I suggest you keep checking your private messages box. You might have an important message from one of the moderators regarding your gag.

You know Ghost, if you want to get a second (or third) chance here at these boards, maybe you should change your strategy a bit. If you show some capability of normal discussion, then there is probably room for you here.

But if your not interested in debate, then your all your efforts here are pretty futile...

[ghost killa]

Having trouble with the server today... but here's an article that doesn't try to hide the facts under the carpet

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=5096

Sweden’s third-largest city, Malmo, according to the Swedish Aftonbladet, has become an outpost of the Middle East in Scandinavia: “The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations’s third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengard, Malmo, for twenty years, and still don’t know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized.”

The Nordgardsskolen in Aarhus, Denmark, has become the first Dane-free Danish school. The students now come entirely from Denmark’s fastest-growing constituency: Muslim immigrants.

Also in Denmark, the Qur’an is now required reading for all upper-secondary school students. There is nothing wrong with that in itself, but it is unlikely, given the current ascendancy of political correctness on the Continent, that critical perspectives will be included.

[ghost killa]

We also have to ask if contemporary Islam is a religion or a political movement. After all, if Islam rejects the separation of church and state. Does Islam deserve the same legal protection as does contemporary Christianity in our society?

[Harald]

Some on these boards are dogmatic, annoying, dangerous even; on both sides of the debate.

You're sick. I mean, you are ill; I advise you to seek psychiatric help if you have not already done so. I mean it man.

Try here maybe; (http://www.clalit.org.il/hospital/gea.asp) not sure if you're still in Israel. Good luck Mika.

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by ghost killa
We also have to ask if contemporary Islam is a religion or a political movement. After all, if Islam rejects the separation of church and state. Does Islam deserve the same legal protection as does contemporary Christianity in our society?

Contemporary Christianity has like all religions a major segment that doesn't believe in the separation of church and state. Indeed, the most sucessful movements in Christianity in the last decade have been those calling for increased participation of the church in all things including government. By your logic then, we should kick these people out because they don't "believe" in our system of governance.

And no, I do not believe that the religion of Islam is fundamentaly opposed to a democratic society. I also realize by looking at history, the most progress Western Society made after the fall of Rome and before the establishment of the nation-state occured in the areas under Muslim rule...

To answer Frank's question, the militaristic aspect of Islam is not a property that is universal in the history of Muslim States. And as a counter point, European Imperialism which has resulted in the deaths of many millions more people than Muslim "Imperialism," was always couched in Christian terms; in fact, the same terms that Christian missionaries use today. Violence is necessarily the product of trying to enforce an ideology on a people that already have an understanding of the world.

On a side note: Religious tolerance is a new concept in the history of human civilization. Think about it.

[Powerdoc]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Contemporary Christianity has like all religions a major segment that doesn't believe in the separation of church and state. Indeed, the most sucessful movements in Christianity in the last decade have been those calling for increased participation of the church in all things including government. By your logic then, we should kick these people out because they don't "believe" in our system of governance.

And no, I do not believe that the religion of Islam is fundamentaly opposed to a democratic society. I also realize by looking at history, the most progress Western Society made after the fall of Rome and before the establishment of the nation-state occured in the areas under Muslim rule...

To answer Frank's question, the militaristic aspect of Islam is not a property that is universal in the history of Muslim States. And as a counter point, European Imperialism which has resulted in the deaths of many millions more people than Muslim "Imperialism," was always couched in Christian terms; in fact, the same terms that Christian missionaries use today. Violence is necessarily the product of trying to enforce an ideology on a people that already have an understanding of the world.

On a side note: Religious tolerance is a new concept in the history of human civilization. Think about it.

Thanks for this nice post.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Contemporary Christianity has like all religions a major segment that doesn't believe in the separation of church and state.

Name them.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
And no, I do not believe that the religion of Islam is fundamentaly opposed to a democratic society.

Explain.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
I also realize by looking at history, the most progress Western Society made after the fall of Rome and before the establishment of the nation-state occured in the areas under Muslim rule...


You have access to history books that I don't?

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Name them.

Roy Moore

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
the militaristic aspect of Islam is not a property that is universal in the history of Muslim States.

I'm going to have to call you on this as well. :)

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
Roy Moore

What about Roy Moore?

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
I'm going to have to call you on this as well. :)

Well I'll pipe in and say that when Islam was first spreading the price for traveling as an infidel was 1 dinar. Not too militaristic now is it. The religion is not the tool of war, the people who practice it are. Ask the cainites how they feel (felt) about Judaism.

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
What about Roy Moore?
Do you know who Roy Moore is?

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
Well I'll pipe in and say that when Islam was first spreading the price for traveling as an infidel was 1 dinar. Not too militaristic now is it. The religion is not the tool of war, the people who practice it are. Ask the cainites how they feel (felt) about Judaism.


So when Rome extracted her levies from the locals that wasn't militaristic either, I suppose.

[faust9]

You might want to read this before condemning the religion as a whole. http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html

Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Shinto, etc, have all had dark periods when the religion was usurped by fanatics as a tool for political control. Are the religions to blame? No. Are the usurpers to blame? Yes.

If you have a problem with islam is it stands now why don't you try to do something instead of starting threads whose central purpose is the spread of more religious fear-mongering?

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
Do you know who Roy Moore is?

He's a federal Judge. And they can pretty much do whatever they like in their court room, including building the tower of babel if they wished so.

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
So when extracted her levies from the locals that wasn't militaristic either, I suppose.

I guess driving down the Ohio turnpike is militaristic now because you have to pay a toll.

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa He's a federal Judge.

Close but no cigar... Shows how much research you're willing to do prior to posting I guess.

And they can pretty much do whatever they like in their court room, including building the tower of babel if they wished so.

Wrong again.

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Explain.

Well, most intelligent people have the wherewithal to separate the religion from the religious. The religion is not the problem, the current interpretations and practices are. Tough to wrap your mind around a thing like this isn't it?

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
You might want to read this before condemning the religion as a whole. http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html

Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Shinto, etc, have all had dark periods when the religion was usurped by fanatics as a tool for political control. Are the religions to blame? No. Are the usurpers to blame? Yes.

If you have a problem with islam is it stands now why don't you try to do something instead of starting threads whose central purpose is the spread of more religious fear-mongering?

Religious fear-mongering? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I just call it as it is. Why are you so afraid to look in the mirror?

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
The religion is not the problem, the current interpretations and practices are.

The current interpretations are the same as they were always. And I don't see anything that will change that.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
I guess driving down the Ohio turnpike is militaristic now because you have to pay a toll.

Do they call it a Dhimmie tax?

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Religious fear-mongering? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I just call it as it is. Why are you so afraid to look in the mirror?

I'm not the one who fear his reflection. I live in an area with a large muslim population. I've read the Koran. I've been to the ME--including Jerusalem, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Dubai, Oman, and few others. I know these people. I don't base my views of them on the actions and writing of a few. I base my views of them as individuals which I have met and call friend to this day. You live in fear and you are trying to spread that fear in this thread. The religion is not the problem some of the people who practice it are. You might trying reading in order to gain a more full historical world view.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
I've read the Koran.

And it made sense to you?

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
The current interpretations are the same as they were always. And I don't see anything that will change that.

This right here shows how ignorant of Islam you actually are. Islam has been redefined a few times since its inception the last being about 600 years ago.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
This right here shows how ignorant of Islam you actually are. Islam has been redefined a few times since its inception the last being about 600 years ago.


As heresy.

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by faust9
This right here shows how ignorant of Islam you actually are. Islam has been redefined a few times since its inception the last being about 600 years ago.

Which shows its false then.

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
And it made sense to you?

As much as the Torah(never read this only the interpretations found in the old testiment) and the books of the Catholic bible.

How do define "makes sense" BTW. Does it make sense to torture pegans and jews because of their religion? Does it make sense to enslave the cainites?

[faust9]

Originally posted by MarcUK
Which shows its false then.

How so? Interpretation occurs in all religions. Do we stone prostitutes at the gates in this day and age? No. False? No. Wrongly applied? Possibly (yes IMO actually).

The heart of most religions is love of god(s) then of people. Are they false? Who knows because death is the undiscovered country where we find out.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
As much as the Torah(never read this only the interpretations found in the old testiment) and the books of the Catholic bible.

How do define "makes sense" BTW. Does it make sense to torture pegans and jews because of their religion? Does it make sense to enslave the cainites?


The koran is totally useless without the accompanying text on which Islam is really based. I think you're being disingenuous with us when you say the same applies in Christianity or Judaism.

[rampancy]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Religious fear-mongering? I just call it as it is. Why are you so afraid to look in the mirror?

Perhaps it is you who should look in the mirror before being so eager to cast a legitimate religious tradition with a history rich in cultural and scientific knowledge to a fallacious and clichéd stereotype.

What gives you right to say such hateful things? Have you actually expended the effort to try to know Muslim people, and understand the context in which attitudes towards the West held by some Muslims have developed?

What the world needs is more people willing to bridge the gap between Christianity, Islam, and Judaism -- to show that it is possible for people of these and other faiths to live with each other in peace.

It's a pity that some people really don't want that at all, and instead are content to be enslaved to their own fattened egos ("My religion is BETTER than your religion -- convert or die!"), or to their own sociopathic paranoia ("Anyone who doesn't think/act like *I* do must be EVIL and must die!")

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
The koran is totally useless without the accompanying text on which Islam is really based. I think you're being disingenuous with us when you say the same applies in Christianity or Judaism.

Have you read it? Have you read the Sunna (aka Hadith)? I'll give you the Sharia; however the Shari'a is not from the word of Muhammad but on the interpretation of the Qur'an. The Shari'a is one of the problems not the religion itself.

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by faust9

The heart of most religions is love of god(s) then of people. Are they false? Who knows because death is the undiscovered country where we find out.

The heart of most religions is the rehashing of the pagan concept of worshipping the sun and related mythological idols. Is this false?

Only if you take it literally. There is a good message in all religions, but it is entirely lost when you take the message literally.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by rampancy
Perhaps it is you who should look in the mirror before being so eager to cast a legitimate religious tradition with a history rich in cultural and scientific knowledge to a fallacious and clichéd stereotype.

What gives you right to say such hateful things? Have you actually expended the effort to try to know Muslim people, and understand the context in which attitudes towards the West held by some Muslims have developed?

What the world needs is more people willing to bridge the gap between Christianity, Islam, and Judaism -- to show that it is possible for people of these and other faiths to live with each other in peace.

It's a pity that some people really don't want that at all, and instead are content to be enslaved to their own fattened egos ("My religion is BETTER than your religion -- convert or die!"), or to their own sociopathic paranoia ("Anyone who doesn't think/act like *I* do must be EVIL and must die!")


Save the platitudes for the believers. We kufrs (sons of pigs and monkeys as Islam refers to us), don't all suffer from heat stroke you know.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
Have you read it? Have you read the Sunna (aka Hadith)? I'll give you the Sharia; however the Shari'a is not from the word of Muhammad but on the interpretation of the Qur'an. The Shari'a is one of the problems not the religion itself.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The sharia *is* the religion.

[rampancy]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Save the platitudes for the believers.


Oh don't worry. I've got enough left for believers and non-believers alike. :)

We kufrs (sons of pigs and monkeys as Islam refers to us), don't all suffer from heat stroke you know.

And just out of curiosity, what type of "kufr" would you call yourself, then? Christian? Jew?

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
:lol: :lol: :lol:

The sharia *is* the religion.

Say 'POP' because you really need to pull out of your ass... The Shari'a is not the religion it is the interpretation of the religion used as the basis for laws. This tome is not used throughout the world as part of the religion, but you don't care about that do you? You only care about spreading more hate.

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Save the platitudes for the believers. We kufrs (sons of pigs and monkeys as Islam refers to us), don't all suffer from heat stroke you know.

Islam does not call you kufr. That is not found in the Hadith nor in the Koran. It's a colloquialism. Hey what about the caininites? I've mentioned them a couple of times but you've yet to respond about the Jewish slaves. What about pagans? I've mentioned them a couple of times but you've yet to respond about their persecution.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
How so? Interpretation occurs in all religions. Do we stone prostitutes at the gates in this day and age?


You're mixing tradition and interpretation. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. And it's obvious that even at the time of Jesus, a most barbarous time by any standard, Jewish religious figures frowned on such barbarity.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
Islam does not call you kufr. That is not found in the Hadith nor in the Koran. It's a colloquialism. Hey what about the caininites? I've mentioned them a couple of times but you've yet to respond about the Jewish slaves. What about pagans? I've mentioned them a couple of times but you've yet to respond about their persecution.

It does refer to me as the son of pigs and monkeys.

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
You're mixing tradition and interpretation. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. And it's obvious that even at the time of Jesus, a most barbarous time by any standard, Jewish religious figures frowned on such barbarity.

The Old Testiment says your wrong. Here I'll give some examples in easy to understand format:

Stone thy son:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_children/dt21_18a.html

Man lay with man:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/homosexuality/lv18_22.html

How long to hang a sinner:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/how_long_to_hang_somebody/dt21_22.html

Prisoners of war:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/prisoners_of_war/dt21_10a.html

Virginity:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/proof_of_virginity/dt22_13.html

Slavery:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/slavery/ex21_02a.html

I can go for quite a while. The books of our religion(s) are not free from evil as you believe them to be.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
Hey what about the caininites? I've mentioned them a couple of times but you've yet to respond


Canaanites: the descendants of Canaan, the son of Ham. Migrating from their original home, they seem to have reached the Persian Gulf, and to have there sojourned for some time. They thence "spread to the west, across the mountain chain of Lebanon to the very edge of the Mediterranean Sea, occupying all the land which later became Palestine, also to the north-west as far as the mountain chain of Taurus. This group was very numerous, and broken up into a great many peoples, as we can judge from the list of nations (Gen. 10), the 'sons of Canaan.'" Six different tribes are mentioned in Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23; 33:2; 34:11. In Ex. 13:5 the "Perizzites" are omitted. The "Girgashites" are mentioned in addition to the foregoing in Deut. 7:1; Josh. 3:10. The "Canaanites," as distinguished from the Amalekites, the Anakim, and the Rephaim, were "dwellers in the lowlands" (Num. 13:29), the great plains and valleys, the richest and most important parts of Palestine. Tyre and Sidon, their famous cities, were the centres of great commercial activity; and hence the name "Canaanite" came to signify a "trader" or "merchant" (Job 41:6; Prov. 31:24, lit. "Canaanites;" comp. Zeph. 1:11; Ezek. 17:4). The name "Canaanite" is also sometimes used to designate the non-Israelite inhabitants of the land in general (Gen. 12:6; Num. 21:3; Judg. 1:10). The Israelites, when they were led to the Promised Land, were commanded utterly to destroy the descendants of Canaan then possessing it (Ex. 23:23; Num. 33:52, 53; Deut. 20:16, 17). This was to be done "by little and little," lest the beasts of the field should increase (Ex. 23:29; Deut. 7:22, 23). The history of these wars of conquest is given in the Book of Joshua. The extermination of these tribes, however, was never fully carried out. Jerusalem was not taken till the time of David (2 Sam. 5:6, 7). In the days of Solomon bond-service was exacted from the fragments of the tribes still remaining in the land (1 Kings 9:20, 21). Even after the return from captivity survivors of five of the Canaanitish tribes were still found in the land. In the Tell-el-Amarna tablets Canaan is found under the forms of Kinakhna and Kinakhkhi. Under the name of Kanana the Canaanites appear on Egyptian monuments, wearing a coat of mail and helmet, and distinguished by the use of spear and javelin and the battle-axe. They were called Phoenicians by the Greeks and Poeni by the Romans. By race the Canaanites were Semitic. They were famous as merchants and seamen, as well as for their artistic skill. The chief object of their worship was the sun-god, who was addressed by the general name of Baal, "lord." Each locality had its special Baal, and the various local Baals were summed up under the name of Baalim, "lords."


You do realize Jews were also Canaanites? But why are you trying to change the subject?

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
It does refer to me as the son of pigs and monkeys.

And how did your religion refer to the caininites?

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
And how did your religion refer to the caininites?

You said you read the Bible. Why do you need to ask me?

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
The Old Testiment says your wrong. Here I'll give some examples in easy to understand format:

Stone thy son:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_children/dt21_18a.html

Man lay with man:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/homosexuality/lv18_22.html

How long to hang a sinner:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/how_long_to_hang_somebody/dt21_22.html

Prisoners of war:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/prisoners_of_war/dt21_10a.html

Virginity:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/proof_of_virginity/dt22_13.html

Slavery:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/slavery/ex21_02a.html

I can go for quite a while. The books of our religion(s) are not free from evil as you believe them to be.


This is the best you could do?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Canaanites: the descendants of Canaan, the son of Ham. Migrating from their original home, they seem to have reached the Persian Gulf, and to have there sojourned for some time. They thence "spread to the west, across the mountain chain of Lebanon to the very edge of the Mediterranean Sea, occupying all the land which later became Palestine, also to the north-west as far as the mountain chain of Taurus. This group was very numerous, and broken up into a great many peoples, as we can judge from the list of nations (Gen. 10), the 'sons of Canaan.'" Six different tribes are mentioned in Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23; 33:2; 34:11. In Ex. 13:5 the "Perizzites" are omitted. The "Girgashites" are mentioned in addition to the foregoing in Deut. 7:1; Josh. 3:10. The "Canaanites," as distinguished from the Amalekites, the Anakim, and the Rephaim, were "dwellers in the lowlands" (Num. 13:29), the great plains and valleys, the richest and most important parts of Palestine. Tyre and Sidon, their famous cities, were the centres of great commercial activity; and hence the name "Canaanite" came to signify a "trader" or "merchant" (Job 41:6; Prov. 31:24, lit. "Canaanites;" comp. Zeph. 1:11; Ezek. 17:4). The name "Canaanite" is also sometimes used to designate the non-Israelite inhabitants of the land in general (Gen. 12:6; Num. 21:3; Judg. 1:10). The Israelites, when they were led to the Promised Land, were commanded utterly to destroy the descendants of Canaan then possessing it (Ex. 23:23; Num. 33:52, 53; Deut. 20:16, 17). This was to be done "by little and little," lest the beasts of the field should increase (Ex. 23:29; Deut. 7:22, 23). The history of these wars of conquest is given in the Book of Joshua. The extermination of these tribes, however, was never fully carried out. Jerusalem was not taken till the time of David (2 Sam. 5:6, 7). In the days of Solomon bond-service was exacted from the fragments of the tribes still remaining in the land (1 Kings 9:20, 21). Even after the return from captivity survivors of five of the Canaanitish tribes were still found in the land. In the Tell-el-Amarna tablets Canaan is found under the forms of Kinakhna and Kinakhkhi. Under the name of Kanana the Canaanites appear on Egyptian monuments, wearing a coat of mail and helmet, and distinguished by the use of spear and javelin and the battle-axe. They were called Phoenicians by the Greeks and Poeni by the Romans. By race the Canaanites were Semitic. They were famous as merchants and seamen, as well as for their artistic skill. The chief object of their worship was the sun-god, who was addressed by the general name of Baal, "lord." Each locality had its special Baal, and the various local Baals were summed up under the name of Baalim, "lords."


You do realize Jews were also Canaanites? But why are you trying to change the subject?

I know this; however you are dodging the subject. The canaanites (I've been misspelling it thanks for the correction) were held to a higher standard than the jews and destroyed for their sins--enslaved as well. I keep mentioning them because I know you're a jew but you don't want to address the evils committed by your religion against other cultures. Islam is no better or no worse than your religion. The practitioners need to reevaluate their stances--especially those in the ME-- but blaming the religion itself is wronge in no uncertain terms. Your wrong.

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
This is the best you could do?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

No, I can do better but I have speak at your level of hate driven understanding.

[faust9]

Originally posted by ghost killa
You said you read the Bible. Why do you need to ask me?

Because you started this thread. I know how they were treated and ultimately eradicated.

[MarcUK]

Why the Fuck are you arguing about what Jesus said, what labels Islam has given you, what the OT says.

Do Yourself an intellectual favour, and go and find out If All these religions are based on ancient pagan Sun-Worship. Because when you get to the Crux of the matter, It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference what any of these books say.

[faust9]

Originally posted by MarcUK
Why the Fuck are you arguing about what Jesus said, what labels Islam has given you, what the OT says.

Do Yourself an intellectual favour, and go and find out If All these religions are based on ancient pagan Sun-Worship. Because when you get to the Crux of the matter, It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference what any of these books say.

You've had an axe to grind about this for some time now haven't you.:lol:

PS I disagree. Religion went through a fundamentla change when it transitioned from multiple childlike gods to a single all powerful being.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
I keep mentioning them because I know you're a jew but you don't want to address the evils committed by your religion against other cultures.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

No, you don't know that, because I haven't told you that. You can guess, but I think I'll keep you guessing.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by faust9
Because you started this thread. I know how they were treated and ultimately eradicated.

How do you know?

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by faust9

Religion went through a fundamentla change when it transitioned from multiple childlike gods to a single all powerful being.

Yes, It became murderous, bigotted, backwards, and deceitful and sent human progress back a thousand years.

But its the same pagan story. The only difference is the names and the loss of understanding that it was allegorical.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

This is a hateful thread full of racism and it should be locked.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
This is a hateful thread full of racism and it should be locked.

Why can't we be a little critical of Muslims/Islam? You certainly don't have any qualms when it comes to criticizing Christians/Christianity or Jews/Judaism.

[ghost killa]

Part of the Taqqiya you been practicing on this board?

[New]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Part of the Taqqiya you been practicing on this board?

Mika, do you sometimes feel like you are being watched?

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by New
Mika, do you sometimes feel like you are being watched?

Ok. What's the deal with this Mika thing? You all attend the same mosque?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[bunge]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
This is a hateful thread full of racism and it should be locked.

Yes.

[ghost killa]

Wow, could it be that the big media is finally be getting it? Is Satan ice skating? Maybe one day reality of Ikwan will begin to dawn on the NY Times.


In suburban Bridgeview, Ill., some moderates say they quit attending the Mosque Foundation because the leadership became too conservative and dominated by Brotherhood members.

Documents obtained by the Tribune and translated from Arabic show that the U.S. Brotherhood has been careful to obscure its beliefs from outsiders. One document tells leaders to be cautious when screening potential recruits. If the recruit asks whether the leader is a Brotherhood member, the leader should respond, “You may deduce the answer to that with your own intelligence.”


Islamic state a long-term goal


Brotherhood members emphasize that they follow the laws of the nations in which they operate. They stress that they do not believe in overthrowing the U.S. government, but rather that they want as many people as possible to convert to Islam so that one day—perhaps generations from now—a majority of Americans will support a society governed by Islamic law. Muslims make up less than 3 percent of the U.S. population, but estimates of their number vary widely from 2 million to 7 million.

Federal authorities say they have scrutinized the U.S. Brotherhood for years. Agents currently are investigating whether people with ties to the group have raised and laundered money to finance terrorism abroad. No terrorism-related charges have been filed.

Former leader Elkadi, who has been questioned at length by federal authorities about the inner workings of the Brotherhood, says the group has served Muslims in the United States well. He personally helped establish an Islamic community in the Florida Panhandle, with a mosque, school and health clinic. And though he eventually lost it all—even his medical license—some Muslims still view him as a great Islamic leader.

“Islam is for everyone,” he says. “It’s good for America, good for Muslims too. . . . It’s good knowledge, and good knowledge should be available to everyone.”

Mohammed Mahdi Akef, head of the international Muslim Brotherhood, based in Egypt, lauds Elkadi and the activities of the U.S. Brotherhood.

“They have succeeded in saving the younger generations from melting into the American lifestyle without faith,” he says. “They have saved their children.”

Read the whole thing. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/chi-0409190261sep19,1,3910166.story?coll=chi-news-hed)

[rampancy]

Originally posted by ghost killa
Why can't we be a little critical of Muslims/Islam? You certainly don't have any qualms when it comes to criticizing Christians/Christianity or Jews/Judaism.

It's one thing to be critical of Islam. It's another thing to be as hateful of Islam and its adherents as you are.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by rampancy
It's one thing to be critical of Islam. It's another thing to be as hateful of Islam and its adherents as you are.

Get off that tired horse. You're not going to stifle the truth any long with that tactic.

[ghost killa]

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[ghost killa]

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[Scott]

It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse605.xml)

- Abdel Rahman al-Rashed

[Fellowship]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
This is a hateful thread full of racism and it should be locked.

The fossils don't fit your world view Hassan?

I think it is funny that "so many" here on the one hand love to bash Christians and yet on the other hand can't face the truth about Islamic terrorism that is going on in every corner of the world by nutjobs.

Fellowship

[bunge]

Originally posted by Fellowship
I think it is funny that "so many" here on the one hand love to bash Christians and yet on the other hand can't face the truth about Islamic terrorism that is going on in every corner of the world by nutjobs.

Do you mean the crazy Japanese that tried to spread anthrax? Or the unibomber? Or maybe it's the kidnapping Columbians you're referring to? Or maybe you're wrong?

[Fellowship]

Originally posted by bunge
Do you mean the crazy Japanese that tried to spread anthrax? Or the unibomber? Or maybe it's the kidnapping Columbians you're referring to? Or maybe you're wrong?

No I was talking about islamic terrorists.

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse605.xml)

Fellows

[bunge]

Originally posted by Fellowship
No I was talking about islamic terrorists.

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse605.xml)

Fellows

Oh, those terrorists. So not all or even most terrorists, like Scott was saying.

[ghost killa]

Abdel Rahman al-Rashed is the general manager of Al-Arabiya News channel. Wake me up when his "reporters" start turning in terrorists posing for their camera crew. Same goes for the BBC News crew and the rest of the terror enablers that the Saudis subsidize.

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by bunge
Oh, those terrorists. So not all or even most terrorists, like Scott was saying.

Scott is right. I'd be more than happy to provide you with a long list of specifics that you never hear about on Crescent News Network or the other leftist big media.

[pfflam]

Yeah, those monotheism have certainly sucked when it comes to killing or tyranizing and stealing from in G-d's name.


And come to think of it . . . . those old-school polytheisms were pretty bad too.
and pantheisms

. . and Ghengis Khan was a Buddhist, which isn't a theism at all, yet still gets classified as a religion

and geeze, atheisms of different stripe have also been really terrible: Communism probably killed more than anybody in the 'Godless heathen' front, Capitalism kills its fair share, good old oligarchies do their part too.

Hm?!?!

Perplexing . . .

I wonder if the followers of Diogenes the Dog ever did anyone in?

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Originally posted by Fellowship
The fossils don't fit your world view Hassan?

I think it is funny that "so many" here on the one hand love to bash Christians and yet on the other hand can't face the truth about Islamic terrorism that is going on in every corner of the world by nutjobs.

Fellowship
I have no patience for you any more.

I'm not bashing Christianity when I point out that Creationism is totally fucking stupid. Creationists are a minority of Christians, thankfully. They don't speak for Christians.

So, bash terrorists. Bash away. They're totally fucking stupid and they don't speak for Muslims any more than stupid fucking Creationist idiots speak for Christians. But if you start saying that Islam is a terrorist religion and all Muslims are potential terrorists, as PC^Killa / Mika is, I will defend Muslisms and I'll call you a racist.

Do you understand now?

Mika should be banned again. This thread should be locked. If I said some of the things about Jewish people that Mika has posted in this thread about Muslims I WOULD BE FUCKING BANNED. It appears that the new policy with regard to moderation in this forum is that anything goes, but if I want to engage in this shit I get my hands dirty and I ain't doing it.

By the way, Fellowship, nice work defending Mika. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

[New]

Just quoting someone doesn't make it true.

The modern term terrorism, originates from the time around the french revolution. And is clearly a "western" term.

Terrorism has many forms, but may be divided into two main categories.

• One is used by people who are fighting with agianst a much stronger power. It's effective where normal warfare is not an option. This form is often confused with "sabotage" nad "guerilla warfare" which belongs to the same branch of tactics but is not used for the same purpose.

• The second is the terror used by an oppressor or superior force to quench oposition and resistance. Here we find "state-terrorism" often, but not always linked to the policies of a totalitarian regime.

The first, "underdog" form was amongst others pionered in modern history by jewish militants palestine. But has been used by many organisations all over the world, for instance the PLO (arab), IRA (catholic), ETA (basque), Baden Meinhof (communist), Combat 18 (nazi) and so on.

The second form of terrorism was in modern times probably driven to its most extreem form of "state-terrorism" in nazi germany. But can be found all over the world, like current Zimbabwe and China, Belarus and Saudi Arabia, (and many, many others).

Non of these methods of terror has any special over-weight of use by arabs or muslims. Not historically and not now. If you think there is an overweight of islamist terror in the world, You've been reading to little and to narrow material.

[New]

And, btw, I totally agree with Hassan.

[Fellowship]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
I have no patience for you any more.

I'm not bashing Christianity when I point out that Creationism is totally fucking stupid. Creationists are a minority of Christians, thankfully. They don't speak for Christians.

So, bash terrorists. Bash away. They're totally fucking stupid and they don't speak for Muslims any more than stupid fucking Creationist idiots speak for Christians. But if you start saying that Islam is a terrorist religion and all Muslims are potential terrorists, as PC^Killa / Mika is, I will defend Muslisms and I'll call you a racist.

Do you understand now?

Mika should be banned again. This thread should be locked. If I said some of the things about Jewish people that Mika has posted in this thread about Muslims I WOULD BE FUCKING BANNED. It appears that the new policy with regard to moderation in this forum is that anything goes, but if I want to engage in this shit I get my hands dirty and I ain't doing it.

By the way, Fellowship, nice work defending Mika. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

Freedom of speech. Something I value more than your "opinion".

I have said nothing racist.

Let me ask you this Hassan.... is discussing Islamic terrorism that (does go on in this world) off the table here at AI in your opinion?

Why is that?

As for I have no patience for you any more.

This is lame. I could care less what you think. I think on my own.

Fellowship

[Hassan i Sabbah]

edit: pressed 'reply' rather than 'save changes'

[tonton]

Ever hear of the "Identity Church" or "Christian Identity"?

Does existence of this particular group of racist terrorists mean all Christians are terrorists, or even prominently terrorists? Of course not.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Good God, are you trying to misread what I said?

Yes, it's fine to discuss Islamic terrorism. Of course.

No, it's not fine to talk about 'Eurabia' and claim that Islam is a terrorist religion and that all Muslims are potential terrorists.

Should I just copy and paste this fifteen times? Would you understand me then?

originally posted by Fellowship
I could care less what you think. I think on my own.

Here, look at this fossil.

[New]

We are not just discussing muslim terrorism here, we are also apperantly discussing the muslim plot to overrun the west in the comming years.

I saw the leader of the german national socialist party (a nazi) on yesterdays news, his words very closely resembled ghost's.

[Fellowship]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Good God, are you trying to misread what I said?

No, it's fine to discuss Islamic terrorism.



ok, That is all I did in my posts and you jumped all over me with all kinds of language.

scroll up and look.

Fellowship

[123]

Originally posted by Fellowship
I could care less what you think. I think on my own.

No you don't, and you never did. That's the hard lesson everyone here had to learn.

[Scott]

Originally posted by bunge
Oh, those terrorists. So not all or even most terrorists, like Scott was saying.

I wasn't saying it. I was quoting someone else.

[bunge]

Originally posted by Scott
I wasn't saying it. I was quoting someone else.

You put it in the thread, you said it here. You didn't quote it in your post. They're your words in this thread even if you plagarized them.

[Scott]

Originally posted by bunge
You put it in the thread, you said it here. You didn't quote it in your post. They're your words in this thread even if you plagarized them.

Are you playing dumb here or what? I quoted someone with a link and the person that wrote it. Stop playing games.

[bunge]

Originally posted by Scott
Are you playing dumb here or what? I quoted someone with a link and the person that wrote it. Stop playing games.

Sorry, I didn't realize you quoted it because you disagreed with it.

[Powerdoc]

Now that's enough.

1) PC killa and all his avatars is supposed to be banned forever, whatever the identity he took. In this case, only IP ban works, but only for a limited amount of time.

2) Many people here, choosed to participate in this thread, knowing who is Mika, and what are his opinion (Muslim = terrorism). There was an other option : ignore the post. Apparently, some people could not resist to the pleasure of arguing with Mika. How unfortunate.

:rolleyes:

[ghost killa]

Originally posted by Powerdoc
Now that's enough.

1) PC killa and all his avatars is supposed to be banned forever, whatever the identity he took. In this case, only IP ban works, but only for a limited amount of time.

2) Many people here, choosed to participate in this thread, knowing who is Mika, and what are his opinion (Muslim = terrorism). There was an other option : ignore the post. Apparently, some people could not resist to the pleasure of arguing with Mika. How unfortunate.

:rolleyes:


You too?

[ghost killa]

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[Powerdoc]

Ghost Killa alias, PC Killa, alias Zmench, alias ... is banned forever. Thus this new avatar has no reason to be still hre.

BANNED

[MarcUK]

Now - what was I saying about all religion (every fucking one of them) does - is breed intolerance, mistrust and ignorance.

Thats almost as good a proof Im right than any I've found.

Well done people.

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