Bible to be prohibited and men to be allowed to marry men

[Gilsch]

I had to read this article twice and still I had a hard time believing what I'd just read. It seems the current Republican leadership will say anything and do anything to stay in power. Their hate-mongering appears to have no limits.

Vote for the Dems and we will get hit again in a devastating way.

Vote for the Dems and your Bibles will be banned.

I thought we were a modern, intelligent society but I don't know about the latter. Hard to believe there's people out there who will actually believe such bizarre, wacko, intelligence-insulting propaganda. It's not a joke folks. This is actual 2004 RNC campaign mail.By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Campaign mail with a return address of the Republican National Committee (news - web sites) warns West Virginia voters that the Bible will be prohibited and men will marry men if liberals win in November.

The literature shows a Bible with the word "BANNED" across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word "ALLOWED." The mailing tells West Virginians to "vote Republican to protect our families" and defeat the "liberal agenda."

"The liberal agenda includes removing `under God' from the Pledge of Allegiance," it says.

The RNC also is running radio ads in several states urging people to register to vote.

"There is a line drawn in America today," one ad says. "On one side are the radicals trying to uproot our traditional values and our culture. They're fighting to hijack the institution of marriage, plotting to legalize partial birth abortion, and working to take God out of the pledge of allegiance and force the worst of Hollywood on the rest of America."

:wow: :\ :???: :no:

GOP Mailing warns Liberals will ban Bibles (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=533&e=7&u=/ap/20040917/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_mail)

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Gotta love the Georges!!!

[durin oakenskin]

Originally posted by Gilsch
I had to read this article twice and still I had a hard time believing what I'd just read. It seems the current Republican leadership will say [B]anything and do anything to stay in power. Their hate-mongering appears to have no limits.

Vote for the Dems and we will get hit again in a devastating way.

Vote for the Dems and your Bibles will be banned.

I thought we were a modern, intelligent society but I don't know about the latter. Hard to believe there's people out there who will actually believe such bizarre, wacko, intelligence-insulting propaganda. It's not a joke folks. This is actual 2004 RNC campaign mail.


What I don't understand: Do people really believe this sh.. ? How does the American Voter (tm) build its opinion? By listening to the RNC rant, or buy judging the last 4 years of this government?

I live in Europe therefore I may not fully understand what's going on in the US, but by simply looking at what happened during the last 4 years, how can anyone vote for Bush?

[Xool]

Its unfortunate that these kind of scare tactics actually work. If they didn't or the if the people rose up against them, they'd stop mailing these out.

People should speak up and denounce these tactics... but then "I love the 80s" comes on and the masses are sedated once again. :no:

[Gilsch]

Originally posted by durin oakenskin
What I don't understand: Do people really believe this sh.. ? How does the American Voter (tm) build its opinion? By listening to the RNC rant, or buy judging the last 4 years of this government? Don't lump all the US voters into one please. Some of us actually make decisions based on past performance instead of just blindly supporting "the team". See, going by last election's numbers...close to half of Bush's votes came from very religious Christians. Evangelicans to be exact. Tell them "stuff" like the mailing above and you'll get their vote every time. It's Bush's most important base by far.I live in Europe therefore I may not fully understand what's going on in the US, but by simply looking at what happened during the last 4 years, how can anyone vote for Bush? Well, we're obviously not the sharpest knives in the kitchen if you know what I mean, jk.

Actually it's quite simple. The religious stuff, plus patriotism and the demonizing of "liberals"...and you have a winning formula in modern USA.

“Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”

– Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II.

[Frank777]

Originally posted by Gilsch
Evangelicans to be exact.

I think the word you're looking for is Evangelicals. :lol:

With regard to the "Bible-banning" it most likely refers to "Hate Crime" legislation promoted by "liberals" that concern Evangelicals most (as it should all free-thinkers.)

In Canada, people have been taken to court for quoting the passages from the Bible that prohibit homosexuality. Our human rights tribunals are running amok with a Christian printer in Toronto being charged and suffering hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees because he refused a request to print letterhead for the Gay & Lesbian archives.

In Europe, a Swedish Pentecostal pastor was JAILED (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/132/12.0.html) last month for preaching against homosexuality.

There was a time when liberal groups like the ACLU spoke out against things like this. In Canada, at least, civil liberty advocates have been largely quiet about this insanity.

[durin oakenskin]

Originally posted by Gilsch
Don't lump all the US voters into one please. Some of us actually make decisions based on past performance instead of just blindly supporting "the team".


I did not intend to put every US citizen into one basket. My question was serious: How does an average American choose which one to vote? Most of the discussion here and I think all over US media is about lies of a candidate about his military service some 30 years ago, or if one has prettier daughters than the other...

In Switzerland, such decisions are still -- mostly -- based on facts and political discussions. Maybe that's why more than 90 % would *not* support Bush. But we see here the trend of "americanizing" of politics as well. That scares me.

Originally posted by Gilsch
“Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.”

– Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II.

Exactly. I was looking for such a citation as well, maybe from Goebbels...

[Gilsch]

Originally posted by Frank777
I think the word you're looking for is Evangelicals. :lol:

With regard to the "Bible-banning" it most likely refers to "Hate Crime" legislation promoted by "liberals" that concern Evangelicals most (as it should all free-thinkers.) No. I had the word right, I just mis-typed it. It's pretty straightforward. A Bible with the word Banned across it. The other pictured had the word "allowed". No need to be a genius to see what they're implying, give me a break.

"Hate Crime" legislation pushed by the "liberals"? LMAO Spin it all you want.

[Towel]

Originally posted by Frank777
There was a time when liberal groups like the ACLU spoke out against things like this. In Canada, at least, civil liberty advocates have been largely quiet about this insanity. The ALCU
IS
NOT
A
LIBERAL
GROUP
!

They're a extremely partisan, biased activist group dedicated to defending your Constitutional liberties, no matter how you choose to use them. They've defended anyone whose Constiutional liberties are under threat, including neo-Nazis. It certainly makes no sense to blame events in Canada or Sweden on them. WRT hate crimes legislation, they took the position that speech is only not protected if it direcly involved in a crime. If the governemnt here ever tried to throw someone in jail for preaching the Bible in a public place, I can guarantee the ACLU will be the first to their defense.

[Res]

Originally posted by Towel
The ALCU
IS
NOT
A
LIBERAL
GROUP
!

They're a extremely partisan, biased activist group dedicated to defending your Constitutional liberties, no matter how you choose to use them. They've defended anyone whose Constiutional liberties are under threat, including neo-Nazis. It certainly makes no sense to blame events in Canada or Sweden on them. WRT hate crimes legislation, they took the position that speech is only not protected if it direcly involved in a crime. If the governemnt here ever tried to throw someone in jail for preaching the Bible in a public place, I can guarantee the ACLU will be the first to their defense.


They will defend your constitutional liberties -- except for the 2nd amendment, which the ALCO tries to ignore as much as possible.:grumble:

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Dear West Virginia,

Republicans think you're stupid (http://scott.littlemeanfish.com/wp/index.php/archives/2004/09/18/dear-west-virginia/).

[Frank777]

Originally posted by Towel
The ALCU
IS
NOT
A
LIBERAL
GROUP
!

They're a extremely partisan, biased activist group dedicated to defending your Constitutional liberties, no matter how you choose to use them. They've defended anyone whose Constiutional liberties are under threat, including neo-Nazis. It certainly makes no sense to blame events in Canada or Sweden on them. WRT hate crimes legislation, they took the position that speech is only not protected if it direcly involved in a crime. If the governemnt here ever tried to throw someone in jail for preaching the Bible in a public place, I can guarantee the ACLU will be the first to their defense.

Sorry if it sounded like I was "blaming" the ACLU for the current situation with HC laws, either in the U.S. or abroad. I guess I was using ACLU as a descriptor for civil liberties activists in general. There are groups modeled after the ACLU across the Western world (in Canada, they're the CCLU). With regard to hate crime legislation in general (and the specific instances I posted about) they've been very quiet.