McCain calls Bush a liar

[faust9]

Though he did it in more political terms, John McCain called Bush a liar.

Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona said Bush was not being "as straight as maybe we'd like to see" with the American people about Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/19/iraq.senators/index.html

Bush has been trumpeting yet another failure as a success. When will he stop lying and when will the American people see the lies for what they are?

[7E7]

Originally posted by faust9
Though he did it in more political terms, John McCain called Bush a liar.



http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/19/iraq.senators/index.html

Bush has been trumpeting yet another failure as a success. When will he stop lying and when will the American people see the lies for what they are?

He is in no way calling him a liar! Certainly McCain clearly has some reservations about President Bush's strategy in regards to the way the war has been prosecuted - particularly the post-war period. This is hardly the same as the shrill cry from the left that Bush lied about WMD and he lied to the nation about absolutely everything else - allegations that are absolutely baseless in fact. This is a simple disagreement about the way some things have been done. So let's not try to make a story out of nothing. CBS did that and look where that got them. If you don't care about your credibility then that is another matter...

[FormerLurker]

I say liar, McCain says Bush was not being "as straight as maybe we'd like to see" with the American people about Iraq.

Tomato, Tomahto
Potato, Potahto

He is still clearly saying that Bush is being less than honest about Iraq.

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by 7E7
This is a simple disagreement about the way some things have been done. That is completely wrong.

Although trying to put it as diplomatically as possible, McCain is clearly saying that Bush is not being honest.

Lots of heads in the sand down on Republican Beach! :lol:

[Wrong Robot]

Oh politicians! 8)

[kraig911]

you should be a copy writer for a newspaper...

"Kerry eats Bush"

"kerry eats" a hotdog while talking about "bush" hehe

You gotta love headlines like that.
Cue today "Depressed Saddam Begs for Mercy"
Cue sappy Saddam photo,
Cue excerpt from someone who doesn't credit their nationality or real origins.

Ready! ok everyone lets feel sorry for him

God you gotta love how the news mangles everything. Did McCain say it on TV or is this a written article?

News isn't the business for of telling everyone whats going on its in the business of generating ad revenue.

You don't see Public radio/tv saying spouting headlines like this.

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by kraig911
Did McCain say it on TV or is this a written article?

He said it on everyone's favorite conservative TV mouthpiece
McCain, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said on "Fox News Sunday"

Why is it so much trouble for the Konservatives to click a link and spend 30 seconds reading, before posting? Not that I mind seeing them demonstrate their propensity to talk uninformed crap, though....
:D

[kraig911]

I clicked through. I should ask why do liberals only read news through the headlines?

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by kraig911
I clicked through.
Then you need to work on your reading comprehension - Fox News Sunday was mentioned in the second paragraph.
I should ask why do liberals only read news through the headlines? And I don't know WTF you are talking about "headlines" - I actually read the article, as evidenced by the fact that I knew it was quoting McCain from FOX "News" Sunday - and you ... um... did NOT.

[kraig911]

and you watched the show?... you're reading an excerpt from a Fox news show on CNN you're following me right?

[Towel]

www.foxnews.com/fns (boy, that was hard to find):WALLACE: Senator, you made your reputation talking about straight talk. Is the president being straight with the American people? Is he leveling with them about just how tough the situation is in Iraq?

MCCAIN: Perhaps not as straight as maybe we'd like to see. Although I've been with him when he has told audiences that this is a very tough struggle that we're in and made them aware of the difficulties.

... ...

WALLACE: Let's start with that New York Times report that U.S. commanders are planning a drive by the end of the year to take back control of the areas now held by insurgents. In fact can they wait until the end of the year?

MCCAIN: Oh, I think every day that goes by that we don't remove these sanctuaries in_Fallujah (search)_and other places in the Sunni triangle, the more expensive it's going to be at the time we take this out.

I would never have allowed the sanctuaries to start with. And allowing those sanctuaries has contributed significantly to the difficulties that we're facing, which are very, very significant.

WALLACE: Let me follow up on that. How serious a mistake do you think it was to allow our enemies to have safe havens inside the country?

MCCAIN: Chris, we made serious mistakes right after the initial successes by not having enough troops there on the ground, by allowing the looting, by not securing the borders. There was a number of things that we did. Most of it can be traced back to not having sufficient numbers of troops there.

But let me emphasize, things always go badly in wars. That's one of the reasons why we try to avoid them. The key is to correct our mistakes.

In the Fallujah issue, our general in Baghdad said we were going to go in and capture or kill those who were responsible for the deaths of Americans. And we went in, and then we pulled out.

As Napoleon said, if you say you're going to take Vienna, you take Vienna.

And so, we, by allowing these sanctuaries — and Fallujah isn't the only one; there's a number of them particularly in the Sunni triangle — then they were able to establish bases where they can equip, train and harbor people who are coming across the border from Syria and others contributing to this very serious challenge that we face.

And let me emphasize, we can and must win. I mean, it's not a question of not winning, because failure, in my view — and we need more of this debate in this presidential campaign, by the way. We cannot afford to lose this, in my view. We must win. And the consequences of failure are enormous, and the fruits of success will also be incredible.McCain thinks we screwed it up from the very beginning, because the President listened to his civilian neo-con advisors instead of to his generals. (Whose fault is that, again?) He also thinks Bush is sugar-coating the current situation, and that the current situation, with these large, unchallenged sanctuaries, is not exactly consistent with victory.

[faust9]

Originally posted by kraig911
and you watched the show?... you're reading an excerpt from a Fox news show on CNN you're following me right?

Did you? Did you read the CNN article yet? Have you looked at other news sources for this yet? My guess is no to all of the above. My guess is you read the title and became enraged that I would dare criticise the self proclaimed "War Time President" as I did. My guess is you believe something without having the gumption to investigate that belief. My guess is the fact that FOUR republican senators criticised Bush Sunday goes completly over your head. My guess is you'd rather hide under your bed rather than see the truth.

McCain criticised Bush Sunday. McCain said Bush lied--though he did so in political terms. McCain said Bush has not been fully truthful about Iraq. Yep, sounds like McCain called the shrub a fibber...

Good day.

[faust9]

Now, since a couple of you are afraid to find the answers for yourselves:

WALLACE: Senator, you made your reputation talking about straight talk. Is the president being straight with the American people? Is he leveling with them about just how tough the situation is in Iraq?


MCCAIN: Perhaps not as straight as maybe we'd like to see. Although I've been with him when he has told audiences that this is a very tough struggle that we're in and made them aware of the difficulties.


But look, airstrikes don't do it; artillery doesn't do it. Boots on the ground do it. That's one of the fundamentals of warfare.


And the longer we delay with these sanctuaries, the more difficult the challenge is going to be and the more casualties we will incur and the Iraqi people will suffer because they will be able to operate out of these sanctuaries obviously now with somewhat of impunity.


But it's not satisfactory to just use airstrikes or artillery. You've got to send our troops in there on the ground. And that, of course, means the most difficult kind of fighting.


I think the president is being clear. I would like to see him more clear, because I believe the American people, the majority of them, know what's at stake and will support this effort.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132848,00.html

It boils down to McCain said Bush is not giving the general population the straight-dope on Iraq. This is politicaleez for "Bush is fibbing and I don't like it."

[faust9]

Some more for those who don't dig this stuff up themselves--easy to find BTW because I typed in "McCain Bush" on Google news.

http://news.bostonherald.com/election/view.bg?articleid=45064

http://www.napanews.com/templates/index.cfm?template=story_full&id=BF1A3E04-B607-4D96-A320-F6EDA6B4B9F6

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0920/dailyUpdate.html?s=ent2

It wasn't just one Republican senator voicing discontnet with Bush but 4...

[faust9]

Originally posted by Towel
www.foxnews.com/fns (boy, that was hard to find):McCain thinks we screwed it up from the very beginning, because the President listened to his civilian neo-con advisors instead of to his generals. (Whose fault is that, again?) He also thinks Bush is sugar-coating the current situation, and that the current situation, with these large, unchallenged sanctuaries, is not exactly consistent with victory.

:lol: You posted this while I was typing and I didn't even see it until now... Too funny.

[kraig911]

I think we are mistaking me, you're thinking I'm questioning the validity of the source, when i'm not saying that at all.

What i'm trying to say is you're reading sensationalized news. I hear completely the opposite news from friends/family who are stationed/working there as of right this second saying people overall are pretty excited. Thats what makes me question the validity of all US and Euro arbitrary syndicated news. I try to really take it all with a grain of salt and watch as much Public TV/Radio as I can.

Especially all this engineered media bush hating and seeing everyone eat it up :/ and people wonder why news rankers are way down. Its sad especially more so because its election season.

My personal opinion of thier statements was to get people back on focus helping Iraq, while using the election as a stage. I really like McCain but what he said during that show implied that we should blow up Mosque's and the like in Fallujah and then sort out everything after the fact. I personally think thats wrong.