Kerry to Jail !

[Neø]

Okay, here is another flip-flop of Kerry's...

According to this (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/election2004/9721340.htm?1c) article, Kerry had accepted campaign contributins from a 6 year old and an 8 year old. Doing so, he violated the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law (http://www.nationalcenter.org/McCainFeingold.html) (of which he was a co-sponsor). In addition, the contributions were made in cash, which is another violation.
It seems like they are all too busy to go after Kerry and/or don't want to look like they've been bought off by Republicans, but hopefully they will get to him after the election is over...

I guess i'm just gonna have to watch Faust and the gang flame and try to defend their candidate... :D :smokey:
:devil:
-Neø

P.S. nevermind the thread title, i just wanted it too look kinda catchy, but i guess in reality he will just get fined X amount of $ depending on how many violations.

[Ra]

How is that a flip-flop?

[Scott]

Because he supported McF and now he's violated it.

[Gilsch]

Some flip flop. Amazing.

Hey Neo, doesn't the Drug Limbaugh website have a kiddie forum you can go post in?

:p

[quagmire]

Now how do you know if the parents gave the kids their money to give it to Kerry because they wanted to? I even did that when I was their age. I wanted to pay the store clerk so my mom gave me the money and I paid for the food.

[Neø]

Originally posted by Gilsch
Some flip flop. Amazing.

Hey Neo, doesn't the Drug Limbaugh website have a kiddie forum you can go post in?

:p

Rush's website doesn't have a forum, you idiot...
-Neø

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*edit*

...that's why i go and troll here....

-Neø

[Ra]

Originally posted by quagmire
Now how do you know if the parents gave the kids their money to give it to Kerry because they wanted to? That's the first thing I thought about it too.

In fact, I doubt these kids actually, consciously, decided to make a donation to some political candidate. I mean, come on! It's kind of like at a wedding where they have a money dance, and you could go stand in line and give the bride/groom $5 or whatever, but if you send it up with some little kid instead, everyone thinks it's cute.

And what was he supposed to do anyway? Refuse to take it from them and send them crying back to their parents?

[Neø]

Originally posted by quagmire
Now how do you know if the parents gave the kids their money to give it to Kerry because they wanted to? I even did that when I was their age. I wanted to pay the store clerk so my mom gave me the money and I paid for the food.

read the article (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/election2004/9721340.htm?1c)....

-Neø

[Placebo]

It's such a shame Bush is mentally retarded...




Ain't it, Neø?


By the way, as others have pointed out, you're obviously aren't as naïve as you pretend to be. Citing the Feingold law? Yet still acting like someone ignorant enough to support Bush?

We've figured you out.

[Neø]

Originally posted by Placebo
It's such a shame Bush is mentally retarded...




Ain't it, Neø?


what does that have to do with the topic?

[Anders]

Originally posted by Ra
How is that a flip-flop?

Because the daily email said we should call everything Kerry does flip flopping. When he got out of bed he flip-flopped, he flip flopped when he put on his slippers, when he took a bath and he even flip-flopped his buns.

But when Bush say under the 2000 campaign that he will not get into state building and then removes Hussein he is decisive.

[Neø]

Originally posted by Placebo


By the way, as others have pointed out, you're obviously aren't as naïve as you pretend to be. Citing the Feingold law? Yet still acting like someone ignorant enough to support Bush?


looks like you've missed the show when Rush was talkng about the whole Kerry campaign contribution thing, but i've got a show transcript/audio (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092104/content/john_f_kerry_stack_1.guest.html) that you can read/listen to...

-Neø

[crazychester]

Originally posted by Placebo
By the way, as others have pointed out, you're obviously aren't as naïve as you pretend to be. Citing the Feingold law? Yet still acting like someone ignorant enough to support Bush?

We've figured you out.

Post comparison.

Here ya go, Paul (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46692)
i'm not too sure which article you are askin' for, so i'm gonna post both...

• Libs Threaten Suicide if Bush Wins...story | audio

• If You're a Depressed Liberal, I'm Here

-Neø

P.S. i hope the articles are still working...i mean they are like over a week old and i haven't checked 'em, just copied over from the rushlimbaugh.com homepage that is saved on my harddrive.

This thread, just over 15 minutes later.

Okay, here is another flip-flop of Kerry's...

According to this article, Kerry had accepted campaign contributins from a 6 year old and an 8 year old. Doing so, he violated the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law (of which he was a co-sponsor). In addition, the contributions were made in cash, which is another violation.
It seems like they are all too busy to go after Kerry and/or don't want to look like they've been bought off by Republicans, but hopefully they will get to him after the election is over...

I guess i'm just gonna have to watch Faust and the gang flame and try to defend their candidate...

-Neø

P.S. nevermind the thread title, i just wanted it too look kinda catchy, but i guess in reality he will just get fined X amount of $ depending on how many violations.

My money's on 45 year old male, virgin, sexually inadequate, still lives with mother, no friends.

[Gilsch]

Originally posted by Neø
Rush's website doesn't have a forum, you idiot...
-Neø

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*edit*

...that's why i go and troll here....

-Neø Troll is not the right word. The right word would be something descriptive of little clueless and confused teenies commenting on stuff they don't understand.

[Neø]

Originally posted by Gilsch
Troll is not the right word. The right word would be something descriptive of little clueless and confused teenies commenting on stuff they don't understand.

you think that the street-racing thread WASN'T trolling?

-Neø

[hardeeharhar]

What is written:

Originally posted by Neø
you think that the street-racing thread WASN'T trolling?

-Neø

What I read:

After everyone got so peeved about my mom's street racing (or her venting of anger over her clueless child through agressive driving techniques), I think I should pretend everything I do is trolling and that way, I won't seem like the bumbling dork AIAO members love me as...

[SDW2001]

Can't we just say he techically violated it and no one, including me, gives a fuck? Good....OK...thanks.

[audiopollution]

Originally posted by crazychester
My money's on 45 year old male, virgin, sexually inadequate, still lives with mother, no friends.

Yeah. I've been saying that for a while now. I'll stick with my 40 year old estimate, though. ;)

[midwinter]

Originally posted by SDW2001
Can't we just say he techically violated it and no one, including me, gives a fuck? Good....OK...thanks.

Damn straight. This is about as bad as the last-minute "BUSH GOT A DUI! BUSH GOT A DUI!" from Gore.

[rageous]

OMG!

And what if the parents already gave the max and are using their kids as a funnel for excess contributions!?!?!?!

Kerry you lying cheater!

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Dumb thing to quibble over. Much bigger fish to fry than this.

[Aquatic]

Yeah like his hair. I mean come on just look at it. It was shaggy in the 70s. Now it very refined. What a flip flopper!!! He's obviously trying to have it both ways. First he was for shaggy hair before he was against it. Makes me sick.

[rageous]

:lol:

[Northgate]

Originally posted by rageous
:lol:

Gore is a liar,
Gore is a liar,
Gore is a liar,
Gore is a liar.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Gore is a liar...

Sound familiar? It's happening all over again. And we as a nation are letting it happen, eating it up, and proving to Republicans that the only way to get elected is through Rove-ian whisper campaigns.

Why run on your record when you can defame an war hero out of the side of your mouth while simultaneous demagoguing Iraq War dissenters as unsupportive of the troops?

Why run on your record when you can successfully destroy a candidates reputation for voting for the president's request to use a big stick to "keep the peace" and then use that vote against him?

Why run on your record when you can falsly claim your competitor's record proves he wanted to gut the military even though your own record is identicle?

Why run on your record when you can alienate three-quarters of the world through a cowboy foreign policy and then claim the other candidate is "disrespectful of our traditional allies". Ho boy! That one takes the cake!

It is brilliant maneuvering. Too bad it's dishonest to the absolute core!

[SDW2001]

Originally posted by Northgate
Gore is a liar,
Gore is a liar,
Gore is a liar,
Gore is a liar.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Gore is a liar...

Sound familiar? It's happening all over again. And we as a nation are letting it happen, eating it up, and proving to Republicans that the only way to get elected is through Rove-ian whisper campaigns.

Why run on your record when you can defame an war hero out of the side of your mouth while simultaneous demagoguing Iraq War dissenters as unsupportive of the troops?

Why run on your record when you can successfully destroy a candidates reputation for voting for the president's request to use a big stick to "keep the peace" and then use that vote against him?

Why run on your record when you can falsly claim your competitor's record proves he wanted to gut the military even though your own record is identicle?

Why run on your record when you can alienate three-quarters of the world through a cowboy foreign policy and then claim the other candidate is "disrespectful of our traditional allies". Ho boy! That one takes the cake!

It is brilliant maneuvering. Too bad it's dishonest to the absolute core!

You can't be serious. All one has to do to see Kerry's record is LOOK at it. Listen to audio of his speeches and debates. Watch videos of his different positions. It's clear as day. The Republicans are of course going to exaggerate this. So, please give up the mock outrage.

As for Gore, well again: Gore was caught in documented lies time and time again. He even lied in the debates (he said he went to Texas to survey wild fire damage....he never did so). Gore, in my opinion did not intentionally do this. I believe in all seriousness that he was pathological.

Kerry really is a flopper. Iraq is the prime example, but another one is the death penalty. He did a total 180 on it. Please Northgate. Hate Bush and you'll vote anyone else? Fine. I can deal with that. But don't sit there and tell me Kerry is an honorable, steadfast war hero who has been slandered by the evil and despicable Republicans.

[jimmac]

Originally posted by SDW2001
You can't be serious. All one has to do to see Kerry's record is LOOK at it. Listen to audio of his speeches and debates. Watch videos of his different positions. It's clear as day. The Republicans are of course going to exaggerate this. So, please give up the mock outrage.

As for Gore, well again: Gore was caught in documented lies time and time again. He even lied in the debates (he said he went to Texas to survey wild fire damage....he never did so). Gore, in my opinion did not intentionally do this. I believe in all seriousness that he was pathological.

Kerry really is a flopper. Iraq is the prime example, but another one is the death penalty. He did a total 180 on it. Please Northgate. Hate Bush and you'll vote anyone else? Fine. I can deal with that. But don't sit there and tell me Kerry is an honorable, steadfast war hero who has been slandered by the evil and despicable Republicans.


You'll have to forgive Northgate. He doesn't have the benefit of those extra dimensional glasses you picked up from that fellow in the bizzaro world. So he ( we ) can't see what you see.:lol:

[midwinter]

Despite accusations, Kerry's position on Iraq has been consistent

By Thomas Fitzgerald
Knight Ridder Newspapers

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Sen. John Kerry set his jaw, and even sighed at one point, as he confronted anew the confusion over his stand on the Iraq war, a fog that has enveloped his candidacy for months.

"I have one position on Iraq," Kerry insisted this week during a rare news conference. "One position."

In fact, he's right, his image as a "flip-flopper" notwithstanding.

Kerry voted in October 2002 for the congressional resolution that authorized President Bush to go to war in Iraq. He now says that the invasion was not justified and has made the United States less secure.

These positions are not contradictory, but his attempts to explain the distinction between them are often complicated, and they have given President Bush an opening to caricature Kerry as a flip-flopper. However, beneath the torrent of campaign verbiage, Kerry's position on Iraq for the past two years has been consistent and defensible - just difficult to sell in a sound-bite world.

Kerry always called for a broad international coalition to confront Saddam Hussein, and going to war only as a last resort. Like most senators, he thought Bush needed the authority - it passed the Senate 77-23, and Kerry was one of 29 Democrats who supported it.


But once Bush got the authority, Kerry believes, he misused it.


In his Tuesday news conference, where 10 out of 11 questions probed his position on Iraq, Kerry said that he voted to authorize Bush to go to war if necessary in order to present a united U.S. front to the world and thus strengthen Bush's hand.


It was only one year after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The president was challenging the United Nations to support him in confronting Saddam, whom Bush painted as a clear and present danger to the world. He told Congress that the best hope of avoiding war was to stand strong and united, first at home, then together with the United Nations in backing Saddam down.


"The vote for authorization is interpreted by a lot of people as a vote to go to war," Kerry said Tuesday. "But if you read it, and if you think about what it gave the president, it gave the president what he said: America will speak with one voice ... It was not a vote to go that day. It was a vote to go through the process of going to the U.N., building the allies and then making a judgment of whether we had to go."


It is clear from Kerry's remarks during the 2002 Senate debate that he did not consider the resolution a declaration of war.


"Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will support a multilateral effort to disarm (Saddam) by force, if we ever exhaust ... other options," Kerry said in debate.


Then as now, he urged Bush to work with the United Nations.


"If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community," Kerry said.


In fact, Bush promised at the time to build a broad coalition and go slow.


In an Oct. 7, 2002, speech in Cincinnati, just four days before the Senate vote, the president pledged to exhaust other options and said that war was "not inevitable." He urged Congress to pass the resolution to give him leverage.


Republicans scoff at Kerry's distinction. They say Kerry surely knew that Saddam was unlikely to yield.


"He voted for it," said Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie. "Look at the coverage at the time. It was pretty clear what was going on."


Kerry drew groans from Democrats on Aug. 9 when he remained consistent to his stand in offhand remarks to reporters at the Grand Canyon. Responding to a mocking question from Bush, Kerry said that even if he had known in October 2002 that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, he still would have voted to authorize Bush to go to war.


"Yes I would have voted for the authority. I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Kerry said.


The president then hammered Kerry for more than a week, portraying the Democratic presidential nominee as endorsing his own approach.


But Kerry's position had not changed. He also emphasized in the Aug. 9 exchange that he would have used the war authority differently than Bush did.


The distinction was lost in the din.





Perhaps harder for Kerry to explain has been his October 2003 vote against $87 billion for operations in Iraq.


"I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it," Kerry said once, a line that the Bush campaign used in commercials to mock Kerry for inconsistency.


However, Kerry's line was but a clumsy way of saying that he had voted for a Democratic version of the bill that would have raised the $87 billion by repealing Bush's income tax cuts for people making over $300,000 a year.


When that measure failed, Kerry voted against the $87 billion on final passage. He said his vote was a protest against adding $87 billion to the burgeoning federal budget deficit. He also said he was protesting what he saw as sloppy planning for securing the peace. That position, at least, is consistent with a belief that Bush mishandled the authority that Congress gave him.


"Because I saw what was happening, I voted against it," Kerry said Monday night on the "Late Show with David Letterman."


However, other analysts have also noted that Kerry's vote against the $87 billion came at a time when his presidential campaign was stalled and Democratic voters were flocking to the candidacy of former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean - whose entire campaign was based upon condemning the war in Iraq. Kerry's vote looked like an opportunistic effort to curry favor with anti-war Democratic primary voters.


By concentrating fire on Kerry's votes, Bush turned the campaign debate over the war in Iraq, which remains unpopular, into a referendum on the challenger's consistency rather than his own judgment in going to war and managing its aftermath.


Now Kerry is shifting from defense to offense.


Beginning Monday with a forceful speech at New York University blasting Bush's conduct of the war, Kerry has begun to reframe the Iraq debate toward what needs to be done now, and away from his two Senate votes.


"If we do not change course, there is the prospect of a war with no end in sight," he said. "At every fork in the road, he has taken the wrong turn and led us in the wrong direction."


The next day Kerry explained his shift in emphasis: "The president wants to shift the topic, and I'm not going to let him shift the topic. This is about President Bush and his decisions and his choices and his unwillingness ... to live in a world of reality."





There is at least one large inconsistency remaining in Kerry's record on Iraq.


In 1991, he voted against the resolution authorizing President George H.W. Bush to go to war to dislodge Iraq's army from Kuwait. At the time most Democrats feared invading Iraq would produce heavy U.S. casualties, and they remained haunted by the Vietnam War. Most Democrats, including Kerry, opposed giving the first President Bush authority to go to war.


But recently Kerry was asked: Wasn't that the same thing you said the younger Bush needed this time around?


Kerry brushed off the question.


"That's not the real debate," he said. "The debate now is whether or not you have a plan to win, and whether or not you are facing the realities on the ground in Iraq."


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(Knight Ridder correspondent James Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.)

[Ra]

If you want to hear Kerry's NYU speech (mentioned above), here's the broadband link: http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?video=092004_iraq

I watched the whole thing and thought it went really, really well.

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by Aquatic
Yeah like his hair. I mean come on just look at it. It was shaggy in the 70s. Now it very refined. What a flip flopper!!! He's obviously trying to have it both ways. First he was for shaggy hair before he was against it. Makes me sick. You forgot his "elvis" stage...

[Gilsch]

Originally posted by jimmac
You'll have to forgive Northgate. He doesn't have the benefit of those extra dimensional glasses you picked up from that fellow in the bizzaro world. So he ( we ) can't see what you see.:lol: :lol:

'But, but....everything is so shiny and so pretty."

[midwinter]

Originally posted by Gilsch
:lol:

'But, but....everything is so shiny and so pretty."

...and the war is going well and the economy looks great!

[Ra]

midwinter, do you have a link to that article online?

[edit - Google is your friend LINK (http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/special_packages/election2004/9743494.htm)]

[Neø]

Originally posted by midwinter
...and the war is going well and the economy looks great!

not exactly, but it's not as bad as you guys see it...

-Neø

[quagmire]

Originally posted by midwinter
...and the war is going well and the economy looks great!

Then you go to the families of the 1,000+ dead. This should still be a war and Bush shouldn't of declared it over. The economy is recovering due to Bush not touching it. :lol:

[midwinter]

Originally posted by quagmire
Then you go to the families of the 1,000+ dead. This should still be a war and Bush shouldn't of declared it over. The ecnomy is recovering due to Bush not touching it. :lol:

I was kidding.

[Stoo]

If he goes to jail, I assume he misses out on $200 for not passing Go?

[Ra]

Originally posted by Stoo
If he goes to jail, I assume he misses out on $200 for not passing Go? Yeah but if he rolls doubles he gets out for free.

[rageous]

If he goes to jail, then rolls doubles to get out, did he flip-flop? Does the tree make a sound?

[Not Unlike Myself]

Because of this thread, I just whipped out the bank card in my 5 year old daughter's name and sent John Kerry three-fifty. Dang loch ness monster, I thought I told you to leave us alone! Now you went and gave him three-fify? He's never gonna leave!

[Neø]

Originally posted by Not Unlike Myself
Because of this thread, I just whipped out the bank card in my 5 year old daughter's name and sent John Kerry three-fifty. Dang loch ness monster, I thought I told you to leave us alone! Now you went and gave him three-fify? He's never gonna leave!

Wow, for that money even i will leave...but you ain't gonna give me any, are ya?

-Neø

[quagmire]

Originally posted by Neø
Wow, for that money even i will leave...but you ain't gonna give me any, are ya?

-Neø


I think he will give the money to a real Mac fan like me and not like a troll.:lol:

[Neø]

Originally posted by quagmire
I think he will give the money to a real Mac fan like me and not like a troll.:lol:

Rush Limbaugh is a real Mac fan :)