Iraq, Oil, Bush, WMD? and other such things.

[Fellowship]

This war was planned before 9/11. This war was started after 9/11 abusing the unity of the country which resulted from 9/11. Oil was the issue. WMD and an evil dictator was the excuse to sell this war.

Judicial Watch Cheney Energy Task Force PDF files released via lawsuit and freedom of information act. (http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml)

WASHINGTON – The controversial White House energy task force two years ago reviewed Iraqi oil-field maps and "foreign suitors for Iraqi oil-field contracts," reveal documents turned over under court order to a government watchdog group by a member of the task force.

Judicial Watch Inc. first requested the documents under the Freedom of Information Act in the spring of 2001, when Vice President Dick Cheney formed the secret task force. The public-interest law firm has battled the administration in federal court for the information ever since.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton noted the mandated release of the papers "couldn't have come at a more inconvenient time for the administration," given growing questions about the credibility of its prewar claims that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction and was tied to al-Qaida – thereby posing a direct threat to America.

"Opponents of the war will argue that Iraq oil was on the minds of at least some members of the task force long before the war," he said. "Supporters might argue they couldn't talk about the Mideast oil situation without talking about Iraq."

Phone calls to Cheney's office were not immediately returned.

Fitton says the White House still refuses to produce the list of corporate and other private task force members who met with administration officials, including Cheney, former head of Halliburton Co., a Dallas-based energy-services firm that recently landed a half-billion-dollar federal contract in Iraq.

The unclassified map of Iraq turned over by the Commerce Department, a government member of the task force, shows the location of "supergiant" oil fields, oil pipelines, refineries and tanker terminals. Commerce Secretary Don Evans, a long-time Bush friend from Texas, headed a Denver-based oil company before joining the administration.

Though the papers came from Commerce, Judicial Watch says they were responsive to its request for task-force papers.

"These are task-force documents," Fitton asserted.

Maps of oil-fields in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates also were produced.

A separate unclassified document, dated March 5, 2001, lists the names of "foreign suitors for Iraqi oil-field contracts," including Dutch Royal Shell, Russia's Lukoil and France's Total Elf Aquitaine. It notes the Russian and French energy giants signed "production-sharing contracts" in 1997.

"This is a road map to the corporations who were in conspiracy with the regime in Baghdad," Fitton contended.

Before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, United Nations sanctions foreclosed the country's lucrative oil fields to U.S. investors. Discussions are under way now to privatize at least a portion of Iraq's state-run oil company, allowing U.S. oil companies to invest there for the first time in more than a decade, administration officials tell WorldNetDaily.

Iraq boasts the world's second-largest proven crude reserves. Its oil fields are highly attractive to U.S. producers, because the crude is not buried as far beneath the surface as in American oil fields, making drilling and other production costs relatively cheap. Also, the crude is considered "sweet," meaning it has a low-sulfur content, which makes it cheaper to refine.

The secret White House task force solicited input from the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University in Houston.

The Baker report, which was submitted to Cheney in early April 2001, recommended considering a "military" option in dealing with Iraq, which the report charged was using oil exports as a "weapon," by turning its spigot on and off to "manipulate oil markets,"


Early April 2001....... Before 9/11

But today Iraq is "central" to the WOT we are told.

Who can we trust? I for one do not trust anyone.

Quoted material taken from This Link (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33642)

Fellows

[giant]

Originally posted by Fellowship
This war was started after 9/11 abusing the unity of the country which resulted from 9/11.
And isn't that the saddest part? That unity spread even beyond the US. It was international. That, IMO, is truly the biggest loss by this administration.

[Fellowship]

Originally posted by giant
And isn't that the saddest part? That unity spread even beyond the US. It was international. That, IMO, is truly the biggest loss by this administration.

It shows the abuse this admin. will carry out. It shows how little this admin. thinks of thinking citizens of the world. It is very insulting.

Think of the 1,000+ families who have lost a husband, son, father, mother, daughter, wife in this war.

Insulting is not the word.

Fellows

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by Fellowship
This war was planned before 9/11. This war was started after 9/11 abusing the unity of the country which resulted from 9/11. Oil was the issue. WMD and an evil dictator was the excuse to sell this war.
Fellows

Wasn't there a very long thread about this in like 2001?
Didn't someone post "oiloiloiloiloiloilllly" infinitely?
Is Bush the 'anti-christ' leading/deceiving a bunch of rightwing ignorant nutjobs who view him as God to the doom.

Congrats, now you know what most of us knew 2-3 years ago.

(Maybe there is something in the Bible after all. Doesn't it say there will be a great leader wo preaches peace, but brings total war? Though Fellowship, dont let any of the above stop you 'not voting' this time because Kerry is a French looking flip-flopper.

Anyone who doesn't vote - is in cahoots with Satan in my opinion.

Just waiting for you to delete all your message and plaster "Bush-Cheney all over the thread in good old patriotic colours"

chill friend :)

PS. Any more things you'd like to admit you are wrong on, and join the party 3 years late, just let me know.;)

[Northgate]

How can Republicans and conservatives continue to support this administration with a straight face? Seriously. How?

If Clinton had done this, we'd either be embroiled in impeachment hearings or he'd be sitting in fucking jail cell.

And I sent-off friends and family to Iraq to fight this illegal, stupid, expensive, murderous war!

:devil:

[MarcUK]

Scott, SDW, Common Man, dmz, Trumpetman, et all.

Your world is crumbling

Id like to LMAO, but its too sad really.

SOMEONE should re-open the case of why 9/11 happened in my opinion.

[Northgate]

Originally posted by MarcUK
Scott, SDW, Common Man, dmz, et all.

Your world is crumbling

Id like to LMAO, but its too sad really.

SOMEONE should re-open the case of why 9/11 happened in my opinion.

Too bad none of this will prevent Bush's (re)election.

[shetline]

Originally posted by Fellowship
This war was planned before 9/11. This war was started after 9/11 abusing the unity of the country which resulted from 9/11. Oil was the issue. WMD and an evil dictator was the excuse to sell this war.
It was more than just oil. Oil was only a part of the neocon Capitalist Paradise that was planned for Iraq, with many opportunities for Bush's cronies to get rich beyond mere oil.

Please read the article "Pillaging Iraq in pursuit of a neocon utopia" that I linked to in the thread of the same name for more about this.

[Towel]

This is an old story, and I remember there was some excus...err, explanation for those documents, and it sounded halfway reasonable. I can't remember what it was, though. Anyone?

[MarcUK]

Guys, Fellowship's pulling a fast-one, just so he can quote us on our 'hypocrisy' when he pulls the punchline out the bag.

[Ra]

Originally posted by MarcUK
SOMEONE should re-open the case of why 9/11 happened in my opinion. It has already begun: http://suetheterrorists.net/

[MarcUK]

How funny would it be if the whole Bush admin got sent to the electric chairs they're so fond of.

[Northgate]

Originally posted by MarcUK
How funny would it be if the whole Bush admin got sent to the electric chairs they're so fond of.

I think those chairs were re-districted to fry only Democrats. :lol:

[Scott]

I'm waiting for the quid pro quo.

[sammi jo]

Quite a number of big ticket items were planned before 9-11.... not just the Iraq war, but also the "war on terrorism" with the Afghanistan war, the upcoming military action against Syria and Iran, the Patriot Act, and the Homeland Security Department...just to name a few. All of these schemes promised a huge, massive $$$windfall for the defense/weapons, energy and security sectors, from which many of the key personnel in the Bush administration were extracted. The motivation to get these wars and measures happening was large and latent, they just needed the popular support.....

Without 9-11, this administration was going nowhere, and the economy was on a simultaneous downturn. It would have been the classic lame-duck, one-term presidency. Without 9-11, all the elaborate plans and schemes that suddenly came into being as if by magic (like the proverbial 'genie out of the bottle'), shortly after 9-11, would never, ever had been acceptable to the huge majority of the American people.

It was Dov Zakheim, who was Chief Executive Officer of System Planning Corporation's International Division until President George W. Bush appointed him Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon (he resigned without explanation early this year) who co-authored a document "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" which was published by The Project for a New American Century in September 2000, exactly a year before 9/11; in this article, on page 51, it is stated that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor"!

Oddly. Zakheim was the CEO of System Planning Corporation, which markets the technology to take over the controls of an airborne vehicle already in flight. For example, the Flight Termination System technology could "hijack hijackers" and bring the plane down safely. The Flight Termination System can be used in conjunction with the CTS technology that can control up to 8 airborne vehicles simultaneously.

Of course, this is totally coincidental, and we all know that Zakheim, or anyone else in or close to this administration are nice, decent, and good people, with far too much integrity to plan or execute such a terrible event.

:err:

[Fellowship]

Originally posted by MarcUK
How funny would it be if the whole Bush admin got sent to the electric chairs they're so fond of.

MarcUK are you from the UK?

Don't forget to add Blair to your list.

Not only this but neither Bush or Blair cared when A.Q. Kahn was pardoned in Pakistan. They winked at that and A.Q. Kahn gets to keep his millions and his mansions.

But the larger story is no surprise to those of us who have followed Pakistan's nuclear activities for the past 25 years. There is a long history to Pakistan's nuclear mendacity and the U.S. abandonment of nonproliferation goals in South Asia for short-term advantage in other policy areas. Pakistani nuclear assistance to Iran and Libya is nothing new. News reports in 1988 revealed that Pakistan was assisting Iran on nuclear enrichment technology; reports of a Pakistan-Libya nuclear connection appeared as early as 1979. [2] In 1987, a BBC documentary film revealed that Libya had provided financing for the Pakistani bomb project in 1973. The Saudis were also involved as bankrollers in those early days. [3]

Despite President Pervez Musharraf's claim that the nuclear transfers to Iran and Libya (and North Korea) are the result of personal greed on the part of "the father of the Pakistani bomb," Abdul Qadeer (A. Q.) Khan, who "confessed" and was immediately pardoned, no serious observer believes that Khan's was a "rogue" operation unknown to the highest levels of the Pakistani military. While the complete story is yet to be told, it is well to remember the words of Musharraf's predecessor, the late Gen. Mohammed Zia ul-Haq, who said: "It is our right to obtain [nuclear] technology. And when we acquire this technology, the entire Islamic world will possess it with us." [4] (Zia failed to mention that Pakistan would also be sharing its nuclear secrets with North Korea, but that was before North Korea could help Pakistan with missile technology as a quid pro quo.)


Link (http://www.pakistan-facts.com/article.php/20040403010433240)

Of course Pakistan is our friend ;)

How could Washington not crack down on Pakistan? We find ourselves engaged in a mess in Iraq, after a war predicated on claims that Iraq sought weapons of mass destruction. These weapons have not been found, but President Bush has since stated that Iraq had the potential to procure these weapons and use them against our allies. Why is the U.S. mute when it becomes known that A.Q. Khan, called the "Johnny Appleseed" of the nuclear-arms race, has acknowledged his role in proliferation?

Gee why ask questions? I don't know :rolleyes:


Link (http://www.usamnesia.com/2004/03/sy-hershs-most-recent-article-in-new.html)

Fellows

[MarcUK]

I'd be quite happy to see Blair added to the list.

[giant]

Getting too hard with pakistan would be a very bad thing. Khan was treated well because he is seen as a national hero and doing anything to him publicly would cause a huge backlash. The goal right now is to essentially contain pakistan through diplomacy and economic benefits, hoping that the public stays happy and docile. It might work, it might not.

[Towel]

Originally posted by giant
Getting too hard with pakistan would be a very bad thing. Khan was treated well because he is seen as a national hero and doing anything to him publicly would cause a huge backlash. The goal right now is to essentially contain pakistan through diplomacy and economic benefits, hoping that the public stays happy and docile. It might work, it might not. Exactly, our lives would be a heck of a lot worse if not for our buddy Musharraf over there. The man's walking a tightrope of popular support and attempts on his life, and if he goes Pakistan goes with him. Bad enough that one Islamist regime will soon have nukes (Iran), but even worse to have a regime that already has dozens, including missiles and planes to deliver them.

[Fellowship]

BLITZER: Let's talk about some of the things that the president said at the debate because some of them seem to be a little bit sloppy, got repetitive, as you well know.

But listen to this one excerpt of what he said briefly about Abdul Qadeer Khan, the former Pakistani nuclear scientist who helped create the Pakistani bomb, and obviously that no longer exists. But listen to what the president said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The A.Q. Khan network has been brought to justice.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: To justice? The guy has been -- Khan has been freed. He's been pardoned by President Musharraf. And none of his associates have been brought to justice.

RICE: Well, his associates are in the process of being brought to justice. BSA Tahir (ph) is in custody. Several other members are in custody.

BLITZER: But Khan himself lives in a villa. And the IAEA would like to question him, and the Pakistani government doesn't even allow that to happen.

RICE: I think we all know that A.Q. Khan was a particular kind of figure in Pakistani lore, a national hero. And Musharraf has dealt with what is a very difficult situation about A.Q. Khan, by making certain that he's out of business, making certain that he loses the kinds of privileges that he had to travel and the like.

The important thing is that the A.Q. Khan network is out of business. And people are being brought to justice.

BLITZER: But the president would have been better saying the A.Q. Khan network has been rolled up or stopped. But brought to justice is a specific phrase...

RICE: They've both been brought to -- they've both been rolled up, and they're being brought to justice. A number of countries are pursuing prosecutions...

BLITZER: Against Khan?

RICE: ... against the A.Q. Khan network -- people like his chief operating officer, BSA Tahir (ph). South Africa is pursuing prosecutions. Europeans are pursuing...

BLITZER: But not A.Q. Khan specifically.

RICE: A.Q. Khan, in a sense, has been brought to justice because he is out of the business that he loved most.

BLITZER: All right. So you don't want to say that was sloppy wording?

RICE: Wolf, A.Q. Khan...

BLITZER: It's hard to say the president had sloppy wording.

RICE: A.Q. Khan is out of business and he is out of the business that he loved most. And if you don't think that his national humiliation is justice for what he did, I think it is. He's nationally humiliated.

BLITZER: All right. Let's move on.

Link (http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/03/le.01.html)


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Fellowship