views from the other side

[madmax559]

i have a very simple question for folks on these forums
especially the ones who are so pro-bush

have you ever lived or travelled outside the united states ?
and if so where ? & for what length of time ?


im simply curious when people generalize about other countries
if they have ever lived outside & seen us here from another person's
view

in the interests of full disclosure
im not a u.s citizen (yet) but simply a permanent resident
so i cant vote anyways, even though i am voicing my opinion

please feel free to respond,

thanks

[segovius]

Originally posted by madmax559
i have a very simple question for folks on these forums
especially the ones who are so pro-bush

have you ever lived or travelled outside the united states ?
and if so where ? & for what length of time ?


im simply curious when people generalize about other countries
if they have ever lived outside & seen us here from another person's
view

in the interests of full disclosure
im not a u.s citizen (yet) but simply a permanent resident
so i cant vote anyways, even though i am voicing my opinion

please feel free to respond,

thanks

I'm not an American so I guess I'm disqualified from answering but it seems to me that the 'pro-Bush' attitude (it is a genre all of its own now isn't it ?) - at least in regard to Middle Eastern culture and foreign policy - is one that is never displayed by Americans who have lived outside the States.

I may well be wrong here but I would love to hear the orthodox line on Iraq from an American who has lived extensively in the Middle East in a country other than Israel and who isn't on a government payroll.

I'm not holding my breath though.

[dfiler]

Sorry, I'm an american but would like to join in this discussion.

As a kid, I moved from state to state so many times that I got used to viewing cultures from the outside. With this type of perspective, I grew up always being the outsider looking in. Being slightly detached, cultural flaws stand out much more easily. It only takes a few moves and slight re-aculturation before you start pondering certain aspects from your previous culture.

With this said, I am extremely anti-bush. The bungled invasion/occupation of iraq is alienating and enraging much of the world, creating a new generation of USA hating terrorists.

Only a little bit of global perspective is needed to realize that Bush has destabalized international relations with nearly every other country. For this, as an american, I offer my appologies.

:(

[pfflam]

Originally posted by dfiler
Sorry, I'm an american but would like to join in this discussion.

As a kid, I moved from state to state so many times that I got used to viewing cultures from the outside. With this type of perspective, I grew up always being the outsider looking in. Being slightly detached, cultural flaws stand out much more easily. It only takes a few moves and slight re-aculturation before you start pondering certain aspects from your previous culture.

With this said, I am extremely anti-bush. The bungled invasion/occupation of iraq is alienating and enraging much of the world, creating a new generation of USA hating terrorists.

Only a little bit of global perspective is needed to realize that Bush has destabalized international relations with nearly every other country. For this, as an american, I offer my appologies.

:( Me too, as an army brat, except that I also lived in other European countries .

Also my family was bilingual French and that is not so common when we finally did move back to the states and continued moving around there.

Also, as an adult and an academic, I have lived in many different places: 9 different cities since I started college.

I don't know if that counts, but I feel that I am perpetually the outsider, also, disqualifying my possible answer, is the fact that I am inclined, in advance to despise Bush

So, with all that said: I dispise Bush and think that his presidency has been, substantially, the worst presidency the US and the world has ever seen.
tout court, c'est comme ca!

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(sp? pwerdoc?)

[madmax559]

everyone is more than welcome to respond
anti or pro bush/kerry/nader/barney is fine ..simply keep it civil

im an indian. i live here in san diego & i consider
myself an american

what troubles me most is the fact we are so insular
here we have some of the best educational institutions
in the world & yet we are the least knowledgeble about world
affairs & completely ignorant about other cultures

all the more ironic since this is a land of immigrants

[Powerdoc]

Originally posted by pfflam
Me too, as an army brat, except that I also lived in other European countries .

Also my family was bilingual French and that is not so common when we finally did move back to the states and continued moving around there.

Also, as an adult and an academic, I have lived in many different places: 9 different cities since I started college.

I don't know if that counts, but I feel that I am perpetually the outsider, also, disqualifying my possible answer, is the fact that I am inclined, in advance to despise Bush

So, with all that said: I dispise Bush and think that his presidency has been, substantially, the worst presidency the US and the world has ever seen.
tout court, c'est comme ca!

.
.
(sp? pwerdoc?)

Perfect spelling, Pflamm. Très bon message.

[madmax559]

im suprised this thread had so few responses
i would imagine a lot of the people on these boards
are well travelled & somewhat knowledgeble about the
world outside or atleast curious

btw anyone can respond. that means scott, common man
sd, fellowship or anyone else

its not a bush vs kerry bash, just a simple curiosity
to hear peoples views

[faust9]

I'll respond: Military brat myself. Lived all over the US. Lived in Turkey when I was younger when my dad was stationed there. He got out and my family rooted itself in Michigan.

I joined the Navy and ended up going to about two dozen ME and SE Asian countries.

Was pro-Bush, but his idiocy has turned me away. Not to mention the drift og my party toward the religious zealot right--Pee-Euw!!!

[tonton]

This has been asked before, but let's ask more explicitly:

Scott, have you ever lived outside of the US? Have you ever travelled outside of the US? How long and where?

Nick (Trumpt), have you ever lived outside of the US? Have you ever travelled outside of the US? How long and where?

Common Man, have you ever lived outside of the US? Have you ever travelled outside of the US? How long and where?

SDW2001, have you ever lived outside of the US? Have you ever travelled outside of the US? How long and where?

Naples X, have you ever lived outside of the US? Have you ever travelled outside of the US? How long and where?

Neo, have you ever lived outside of the US? Have you ever travelled outside of the US? How long and where?

[bunge]

People that travel outside of the United States are generally more intelligent and more liberal than those that have not travelled outside of the United States.

[madmax559]

Originally posted by bunge
People that travel outside of the United States are generally more intelligent and more liberal than those that have not travelled outside of the United States.

i would say culturally aware :)
besides it always fun to learn new things

i picked up a few good habits when i moved to sandiego
stopped honking when driving & trying to run people down :))
er or maybe that comes with age