Election Play by Play

[SDW2001]

3:00 PM---Early Polls favor Kerry.

7:31 PM: Bush 34, Kerry 3. Bush 57% nationally, Kerry 42% (source: NBC)

[Placebo]

We haven't even touched Florida, Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Ohio yet.

[rageous]

Hence "PLAY BY PLAY"

I don't think he's calling it over yet. =\

[Gene Clean]

Republican Bush
(Incumbent)
2,322,939 57% 66

Democratic Kerry
1,713,751 42% 77


cnn.com

[Placebo]

TEH NICE LINKY:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/

[Towel]

Blue states start rolling in...

CNN calls IL, MA, CT, DE, MD, DC, and (significantly?) NJ for Kerry. VA and SC still not yet called. Kerry's up 77-66 now.

CNN exit polls in NJ, OH, NH, and FL show independents going 60-40 for Kerry.

[Placebo]

Kerry: 77 Bush: 102

Florida still not called.

[SDW2001]

Republicans looking at Florida claim they're doing much better in counties that were close in 2000.

Bush 102
Kerry 77

Why has NJ been called? I think it will hold, but it seems premature.

[Ra]

I just want to chime in and say, what this country needs right now more than anything is a clear, decisive, undisputed victory by one candidate. There have been some reports of voter intimidation attempts but also reports of said attempts not working, which is good. The last thing we need is another Florida/2000 situation. Hopefully one candidate will pull out a clear victory.

Here's to hoping. :\

[Placebo]

Originally posted by Ra

Here's to hoping. :\
Aye. :\

[Scott]

Originally posted by Ra
... There have been some reports of voter intimidation attempts but also reports of said attempts not working, which is good.
...

I have ready allegations of that but still have not read of any first hand accounts with details.

[THT]

Looks like undecideds are breaking for Bush. Not looking good for Kerry. Has to win Ohio and sweep Gore states.

[Neø]

Originally posted by THT
Looks like undecideds are breaking for Bush. Not looking good for Kerry. Has to win Ohio and sweep Gore states.
yep, and Bush is leading in Ohio :)

[SDW2001]

Bush leading OH and FL. Losing badly in PA, but people are still in line here in Chester County. Many Republican areas have not yet been tallied.

Bush up by 100,000 in OH, 288,000 in FL

Edit: Bush has pulled even in NH. Actually he's slightly ahead.

[NaplesX]

This election has gone very smoothly, which makes me proud. So far I think both sides should hold their heads high.

The calling of states is very conservative, which is better than 2000.

Overall I am pleasantly surprised.

[Anna Mated]

Pensylvania called for Kerry!

[Gene Clean]

California goes to Kerry!

[trumptman]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
Pensylvania called for Kerry!

I think that could end up being a bad call. Looking at the official site for Pennsylvania there are some counties that have 0% reporting so far and 50% total in of a state that is so completely split. Nothing has shown that the very liberal leaning Specter has any sort of challenge. The last polls showed up him by at least seven points yet the results show him down 1%. That says to me there is still alot of room for play.

Nick

[DaveGee]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
California goes to Kerry!

Color me shocked... (just as shocked as when MA was called) If anyone bothered to ask me... I could have called those two back in 2001 - Hitler/OBL could run on the DEM ticket and they'd still vote for em... :)

Dave

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by DaveGee
Color me shocked... (just as shocked as when MA was called) If anyone bothered to ask me... I could have called those two back in 2001 - Hitler/OBL could run on the DEM ticket and they'd still vote for em... :)

Dave


Seems like you've been listening to too much crap lately.

[Anna Mated]

Florida called for Bush!

[SDW2001]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
Kerry won PA by 14 percentage points. I don't think it's up for grabs anymore.

Except people are still voting in heavily repub. areas.

[SDW2001]

When we know about Ohio, we know for sure. Right now Bush is up by a nice margin. Drudge is reporting that senior advisors have told Bush he will win OH, and therefore the electiion.

[Anna Mated]

Originally posted by SDW2001
When we know about Ohio, we know for sure. Right now Bush is up by a nice margin. Drudge is reporting that senior advisors have told Bush he will win OH, and therefore the electiion.

Go Bush!

[rageous]

For the last hour I've been switching between Fox and CNN...

Fox has the elctorate at 211/144 For Bush.

CNN has it at 197/188 for Bush.

I'm sitting around waiting for these numbers to finally at least correspond a little, and then I see Fox change it to 221/133...


=\

[rageous]

And now it's back to 210/144.

Fucking Fox.

[Outsider]

msnbc is at 210/206, Bush/Kerry.

[Anna Mated]

Oregan calls Kerry!

[hardhead]

rageous, don't get pissed man. Only a die-hard vote-strictly-by-the-party-line-numbers Republican would even be watching FOX's "fair and balanced...:lol: " election results.

[tonton]

Early prediction: Bush wins with 274. :(

[Outsider]

I don't know. Kerry looks like he'll win all the Gore states and MAYBE New Hampshire.

[tonton]

Originally posted by DaveGee
Color me shocked... (just as shocked as when MA was called) If anyone bothered to ask me... I could have called those two back in 2001 - Hitler/OBL could run on the DEM ticket and they'd still vote for em... :)

Dave

As long as they're not Bush... ;)

[InactionMan]

CBC (Canada) has it at Bush 237, Kerry 207. Not looking good.

[tonton]

Fox News calls Washington and Oregon but refuses to add California to the Kerry Column. :rolleyes:

[tonton]

LA Times (AP) calls Colorado for Bush.

[Scott]

Originally posted by tonton
Fox News calls Washington and Oregon but refuses to add California to the Kerry Column. :rolleyes:

On TeeVee they added California for Kerry as soon as the polls closed hours ago.

[Ichiban_jay]

246 bush 207 kerry.
http://us.i1.yimg.com//www.yahoo.com/includes/elections/map.gif?t=1099459745

If this chart's predictions are correct, bush won. Basically whoever gets ohio...

Popular Vote
70% of Precincts Reporting (AP)

George W. Bush
51%
44,905,797

John Kerry
48%
42,093,988

[Gene Clean]

you need 270 to win, but if he gets Ohio, he will surely win. Let's hope he doesn't.

[Outsider]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
you need 270 to win, but if he gets Ohio, he will surely win. Let's hope he doesn't. There's a 130K person difference. 82% reporting.

[Anna Mated]

from the BBC "FOX calls Ohio for bush."

[Outsider]

Originally posted by Outsider
There's a 130K person difference. 82% reporting. And they're still waiting for Cleveland.

[Outsider]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
from the BBC "FOX calls Ohio for bush." big surprise...

[rageous]

Fox calls another early one... here we go again. <chugs coffee>

[Carson O'Genic]

Originally posted by Outsider
And they're still waiting for Cleveland.

Do you mean there is still some hope for K/E, because I'm not feeling very hopeful.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
from the BBC "FOX calls Ohio for bush."


Is that even news for BBC to report?

[Scott]

Originally posted by rageous
Fox calls another early one... here we go again. <chugs coffee>

You mean when they called Florida for Gore last time?

[Outsider]

Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
Do you mean there is still some hope for K/E, because I'm not feeling very hopeful. The difference has dropped to 100K and closing. Keep your eye on it!

[tonton]

Originally posted by Scott
You mean when they called Florida for Gore last time?

They've been wrong once...

[Carson O'Genic]

can't really do anything else with myself anyway. reload, reload, reload....

[Anna Mated]

Originally posted by Scott
Is that even news for BBC to report?

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[tonton]

Even if Bush wins Ohio, if Kerry got New Mexico and Nevada, it would be a tie!

[Outsider]

Originally posted by tonton
Even if Bush wins Ohio, if Kerry got New Mexico and Nevada, it would be a tie! Yeah but the House would vote for Bush...

[Scott]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
lalala la lala

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la la lalala

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CBS just reported that MSNBC called Ohio for Bush. Then I read on the NYT web site that the Washington Post reported that Dan Rather called California for Kerry.

Media reporting on Media != news.


Anyway joking aside MSNBC says that MSNBC did call Ohio for Bush.

[tonton]

Originally posted by Outsider
Yeah but the House would vote for Bush...

True, but maybe, just maybe, we'd get one Republican elector with a conscience.

[applenut]

Originally posted by tonton
Even if Bush wins Ohio, if Kerry got New Mexico and Nevada, it would be a tie!

apparently Bush could get one vote from a county in Maine to break a tie...potentially.


face it. after all your rah rah and expectations Bush is going to win AND he's going to win the popular vote AND he's going to be the first since his father in 88 to have a majority.

:lol:

[Anna Mated]

Originally posted by tonton
True, but maybe, just maybe, we'd get one Republican elector with a conscience.

Wake up!

[Scott]

Originally posted by tonton
True, but maybe, just maybe, we'd get one Republican elector with a conscience.

You'd need more than one.

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
Wake up!


There is a Republican in the House that says that he will not vote for Bush if it came to that (Wolf Blitzer mentioned his name, but I forgot it).

I can imagine the pressure on him though.

[SDW2001]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
There is a Republican in the House that says that he will not vote for Bush if it came to that (Wolf Blitzer mentioned his name, but I forgot it).

I can imagine the pressure on him though.

It doesn't work like that. The state delegations vote. Bush will win.

[applenut]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
This country is f*cked.

I'm gonna cry

feel free to leave.:lol:

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
This country is f*cked.

I'm gonna cry If you are a far left liberal. But for most of us normal folk, things seem like they will be fine.

Liberalism is dying, IMO.

[Anna Mated]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
This country is f*cked.

I'm gonna cry

Yep!. Welcome to the United States of Rightwing Fundamentalism.

Us Europeans got over it fifty years ago.

[Neø]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
This country is f*cked.

I'm gonna cry

What about the Freedoms of Speech and Assembly, buddy?

is that a bad idea?

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by SDW2001
It doesn't work like that. The state delegations vote. Bush will win.

If its a tie, the House votes. That's written in the Constitution.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
There is a Republican in the House that says that he will not vote for Bush if it came to that (Wolf Blitzer mentioned his name, but I forgot it).

I can imagine the pressure on him though.

And how many Republicans and Democrats are in the House?

[Outsider]

Originally posted by NaplesX
If you are a far left liberal. But for most of us normal folk, things seem like they will be fine.

Liberalism is dying, IMO. No he is right. This country is royally screwed. We will continue to lose more jobs, the war in Iraq will drag on, and Bush will manage to engage us in another war. Then there will be a draft. He'll continue to piss off the terrorists and we will suffer another devistating attack here in the homeland. But at least gays can't get married!

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by Outsider
No he is right. This country is royally screwed. We will continue to lose more jobs, the war in Iraq will drag on, and Bush will manage to engage us in another war. Then there will be a draft. He'll continue to piss off the terrorists and we will suffer another devistating attack here in the homeland. But at least gays can't get married! Let it out.

[Outsider]

Originally posted by NaplesX
Let it out. OK, it's out.

[Scott]

If he's not pissing off the terrorists then he's not doing a good job.

Terrorists want Jews dead and Israel gone. US is against that.

Terrorists want islamic deathocracy across the middle east. US is against that.

Terrorists want the US to withdraw from the world and be isolationist. US is against that.

Making terrorist not pissed off at the US is not the way to go.

[SDW2001]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
If its a tie, the House votes. That's written in the Constitution.

No. You are wrong. Each state delegation gets one vote. Bush will win. Look it up.

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by Scott
And how many Republicans and Democrats are in the House?

That is not the point. If you read the topic carefully, you'd know that we were discussing if its the House or State delegations that would decide if it happened.

READ, for a change.

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by SDW2001
No. You are wrong. Each state delegation gets one vote. Bush will win. Look it up.


I see you're not getting what I'm saying. The House of Representatives would vote if the race was a tie at 269 - 269.

[Anna Mated]

I do believe SDW is right on this,

[Anna Mated]

I bet Osama is WELL PLEASED.

[tonton]

Originally posted by Scott
You'd need more than one.

Scott, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about a runoff.

You need one ELECTOR to break the tie before it goes to a runoff.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
That is not the point. If you read the topic carefully, you'd know that we were discussing if its the House or State delegations that would decide if it happened.

READ, for a change.

Dear foaming at the mouth democrat. You wrote...

There is a Republican in the House that says that he will not vote for Bush if it came to that (Wolf Blitzer mentioned his name, but I forgot it).

I can imagine the pressure on him though.

There is a 22 vote differential to the republicans favor in the house. One republican is irrelevant if the house votes on it.

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
I bet Osama is WELL PLEASED. Sure, if he like living in caves and "spider-holes" for 4 more years

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
I do believe SDW is right on this,


I do believe this shall clarify it better.


http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepoliticalsystem/a/electiontie.htm

[Scott]

Originally posted by tonton
Scott, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about a runoff.

You need one ELECTOR to break the tie before it goes to a runoff.

Ah :embarrass

[tonton]

But it's all moot anyway, because Bush is going to win NM.

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by tonton
But it's all moot anyway, because Bush is going to win NM. ... and NV.

[tonton]

And Bush pulls ahead in Iowa. :(

[tonton]

Originally posted by NaplesX
... and NV.
As of yet, it's WAAY to early to say that, but it's possible.

[jeffyboy]

Hey, guys, what's a "Provisional Ballot?"

The Ohio Secretary of State was just on CNN saying there may be 200,000 of these ballots out there and they aren't counted until 11 days after the election.

They didn't say what they were, other than they aren't absentee ballots.

:???:

J

[Gene Clean]

its ballots that were cast by people with wrong registration, wrong precinct, etc.

[Scott]

Or people that are frauds trying to stuff the ballot box.

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by Scott
Or people that are frauds trying to stuff the ballot box. Iheard that Bugs Bunny is registered in every precinct in the US and Canada.

:lol:

[applenut]

CNN is just doing this shit for ad revenue and ratings. "Green state"? what the fuck.

[Gene Clean]

Im sure Bugs voted Republican.

CNN calls Ohio green state - or - too close to call.

[jeffyboy]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
its ballots that were cast by people with wrong registration, wrong precinct, etc.

Thanks! Jeez, it's hard to believe that many people screw up.

So, Ohio and now Iowa (the 'hood!) won't be known for sure at least until tomorrow.

Sounds like it's time to go to bed.

J

[Anna Mated]

Originally posted by NaplesX
Sure, if he like living in caves and "spider-holes" for 4 more years

Admission that Bush's administration and military strategy is weak, ineffective and lacking.

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
Admission that Bush's administration and military strategy is weak, ineffective and lacking. Get it out now, because the majority of the US voters think otherwise.

That's what matters.

[Anna Mated]

Originally posted by NaplesX
Get it out now, because the majority of the US voters think otherwise.

That's what matters.

I think you meant to sat that the majority of Americans don't think.

Any how, I'll give you a few days to gloat and rub it in. I'm sure thats one of the teachings of Jesus.

[BuonRotto]

Originally posted by NaplesX
Sure, if he like living in caves and "spider-holes" for 4 more years

You mean like that most recent video? Oh, wait, he wasn't exactly looking too uncomfortable there, was he?

No I think he's catching this thing as it plays out and loving every second of it. Even if you're not exactly interested in reclaiming the former reaches of the old islamic empires and establishing a new utopian caliphate with you-know-who in charge, you're probably fining a lot more supporters this morning anyway.

What we have here is a mandate that says as long as you talk tough and take action, it doesn't matter how poorly you plan, reason and execute so long as you look busy doing it. And of course it proves that we have an image of ourselves as being the pinnacle of culture and morality when in fact we let our culture stagnate and rot in backwards beliefs. Not much different than you-know-who, only we think we're at the top of the hill right now, and Osama thinks the top of the hill is about 500 years behind us (and a few years in front of him if he has anything to do with it).

[Anna Mated]

Who's organized the Democratic riots then?

I WANT SOME. I'm sure we can give these limp-wrist KJV pussies a hell of a beating.:D

Ooh, ooh, he threw a sandal at me.

[NaplesX]

They just announced Edward as "the next VP of the US"

[NaplesX]

I mean at his camp.

[trumptman]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
Kerry won PA by 14 percentage points. I don't think it's up for grabs anymore.

Isn't that nice Pennsylvania call a wonderful sign of media bias?

Ohio
Bush
2,706,778

Kerry
2,581,451

margin
125,327

This is "too close to call" with 97% reporting.

Pennsylvania
Bush
2,621,167

Kerry
2,791,523

margin
170,356

This is "very easy to call a blow out" with 98% reporting.

:lol:
Nick

[Anna Mated]

Hey, I just heard this election cost $2 billion.

Way to go US of BF

[trumptman]

Another update on Penn and Ohio...

Penn
John F. Kerry Democrat 2,800,696 (51%)
George W. Bush (i) Republican 2,639,355 (48%)

margin:161,341

This is an easy to call massive blow out.

Ohio
George W. Bush (i) Republican 2,736,850 (51%)
John F. Kerry Democrat 2,599,244 (48%)

margin: 170,606

Both with 98% reporting.

This is of course... "too close to call."

:lol:
Nick

[tonton]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
Hey, I just heard this election cost $2 billion.

Way to go US of BF

It cost a hell of a lot more than that...

[Ra]

Originally posted by trumptman
Ohio
George W. Bush (i) Republican 2,736,850 (51%)
John F. Kerry Democrat 2,599,244 (48%)

margin: 170,606

Both with 98% reporting.

This is of course... "too close to call." Wasn't part of the Ohio issue that they don't have all the ballots back from some counties that are heavily Democrats? I thought that's what they were saying last I had the tv on.

[trumptman]

Originally posted by Ra
Wasn't part of the Ohio issue that they don't have all the ballots back from some counties that are heavily Democrats? I thought that's what they were saying last I had the tv on.

There is a word for that... spin... please feel free to buy it.

However consider the Pennsylvania example. As Shawn mentioned, when they called it, the Kerry lead there was 14 points. Now it is 2 points. Obviously the results couldn't have been in from the conservative counties and yet they had no trouble calling it.

Really, all this does is prove my point about the bias.

Nick

[tonton]

Originally posted by Ra
Wasn't part of the Ohio issue that they don't have all the ballots back from some counties that are heavily Democrats? I thought that's what they were saying last I had the tv on.

Yeah, but I really don't understand why they haven't called New Mexico yet.

[trumptman]

Originally posted by tonton
Yeah, but I really don't understand why they haven't called New Mexico yet.

Because when they do, Kerry loses. They don't want that.

Nick

[Ra]

Originally posted by trumptman
There is a word for that... spin... please feel free to buy it.

However consider the Pennsylvania example. As Shawn mentioned, when they called it, the Kerry lead there was 14 points. Now it is 2 points. Obviously the results couldn't have been in from the conservative counties and yet they had no trouble calling it.

Really, all this does is prove my point about the bias.

Nick Spin... right. It couldn't be that calling Ohio for Bush would all but seal the election for him and they don't want another Florida/2000/Fox fiasco again?

[trumptman]

Originally posted by Ra
Spin... right. It couldn't be that calling Ohio for Bush would all but seal the election for him and they don't want another Florida/2000/Fox fiasco again?

You make it sound like calling an Pennsylvania for Kerry wasn't a big deal. Without Pennsylvania, Kerry isn't even competitive. Also the types of votes they talk about still counting, absentee and military, tend to trend Republican.

Look the point is that both states are within the same margin. Yet they were willing to call Pennsylvania well before any conservative votes had come in. I mean Bush was 14 points down and he is now down 140,000 votes. You don't think calling such a large state for Kerry so early could affect people voting later and in other parts of the country? It is clear what happened there. They brought in Phili, looked at the very screwed exit polls and called it HOURS before they should have done so. The bias is very clear there. They didn't wait for any sort of conservative votes to come in at all since it is clear the vote was fairly close.

Nick

[tonton]

LA Times/Associated Press has "103% of precincts reporting" in New Mexico.

Talk about voting irregularities... :rolleyes:

Edit: They've fixed it, and apparently taken quite a few votes out of the Bush column. Now it's actually pretty close.

[Ra]

You can believe what you want, I'll do the same. :\

[tonton]

What I want to know is how the hell can we be so evenly divided? How did we end up like this? Where are the real uniters?

Surely all thinking Americans want peace! Surely all thinking Americans want tolerance! Surely all thinking Americans value integrity, and want global happiness and prosperity, regardless of individual values. Why can't we all just get along?

What we need is a leader of education that can teach people what those things mean. We need the "common man" to understand that reducing the wealth gap leads to better overall prosperity and higher productivity. We need the "common man" to understand that "love thy neighbour" doesn't mean "love thy neighbour, as long as they're heterosexual Christians".

Damn, we need help.

[trumptman]

Originally posted by Ra
You can believe what you want, I'll do the same. :\

How about you believe this.

99% of the votes in for both states.

Pennsylvania

Kerry - 2,864,124
Bush - 2,738,850

margin - 125,274

Ohio

Bush - 2,777,645
Kerry - 2,632,547

margin - 145,098

Have you seen any news organizations suggest taking Pennsylvania out of the Kerry group and placing it back into contested? The margin there is smaller than Ohio.

I wish I could find the time CNN and the others called Pennsylvania.

Kerry should concede. Any attempt to call Ohio into question should lead to an attempt to call Pennsylvania into question. But of course that is the real danger. Sour grapes leading to an undermining of what has been a fantastic election free from controversy. Bush didn't dispute New Mexico in 2000 and he lost it by 300 votes. Kerry should do the right thing.

Nick

[BRussell]

Ohio is done - Kerry needs to concede.

[tonton]

Originally posted by trumptman
How about you believe this.

99% of the votes in for both states.

Pennsylvania

Kerry - 2,864,124
Bush - 2,738,850

margin - 125,274

Ohio

Bush - 2,777,645
Kerry - 2,632,547

margin - 145,098

Have you seen any news organizations suggest taking Pennsylvania out of the Kerry group and placing it back into contested? The margin there is smaller than Ohio.

I wish I could find the time CNN and the others called Pennsylvania.

Kerry should concede. Any attempt to call Ohio into question should lead to an attempt to call Pennsylvania into question. But of course that is the real danger. Sour grapes leading to an undermining of what has been a fantastic election free from controversy. Bush didn't dispute New Mexico in 2000 and he lost it by 300 votes. Kerry should do the right thing.

Nick

Nick, don't you ever sleep? Don't you have class in the morning? Doesn't your wife urge you to come to bed?

I'm just asking, because you're always around here posting in what are really the wee small hours over there. Your lifestyle is a mystery.

[tonton]

What county are Albuquerque and Santa Fe in? The only way Kerry could pull in New Mexico would be if these cities haven't been counted.

Edit: Both these cities have been counted 100%. There's absolutely no mathematical way Kerry could win. Why don't they call it already?

[SDW2001]

When they called PA, people were still in line by the hundreds and thousands. They had it on the news in surrounding townships while the national news called the state. Nah, no bias.

[THT]

Congratulations to GWB and his team. They have my applause. I hope they will do a better job in the 2nd term than the first. A good job for all Americans, not just the Republican half.

In the meanwhile, I'll fume for a few days and wait patiently for 2006 and 2008 to hopefully see the tide turn.

[DaveGee]

Originally posted by trumptman
How about you believe this.


Nick,

Just to add to your thoughts

Ohio - If Kerry Fights This
=============================
Bush - 2794346 - Won by 2.50%
Kerry - 2658125
Total - 5452471
Lost By - 136221
% Of Total - 2.50%

PA - GW Could Fight This
==============================
Kerry - 2868674 - Won by 2.17%
Bush - 2746856
Total - 5615530
Lost By - 121818
% Of Total - 2.17%

Wisc. - GW Could Fight This
==============================
Kerry - 331994 - Won by 1.40%
Bush - 322824
Total - 654818
Lost By - 9170
% Of Total - 1.40%

NH - GW Could Fight This
==============================
Kerry - 1480256 - Won by 0.45%
Bush - 1466963
Total - 2947219
Lost By - 13293
% Of Total - 0.45%

Funny I didn't hear any major pleas about people not getting thier vote counted in any of those other states...

I wonder.... could it be that the Democrats couldn't give a rats-ass about counting the vote after all and only choose to play that card when they think they have a chance (as remote as it might be) to win?

No the DEMS are far to above board and 'for the people' - I must be misunderstood... :lol:

Dave

[SDW2001]

Originally posted by DaveGee
Nick,

Just to add to your thoughts

Ohio - If Kerry Fights This
=============================
Bush - 2794346 - Won by 2.50%
Kerry - 2658125
Total - 5452471
Lost By - 136221
% Of Total - 2.50%

PA - GW Could Fight This
==============================
Kerry - 2868674 - Won by 2.17%
Bush - 2746856
Total - 5615530
Lost By - 121818
% Of Total - 2.17%

Wisc. - GW Could Fight This
==============================
Kerry - 331994 - Won by 1.40%
Bush - 322824
Total - 654818
Lost By - 9170
% Of Total - 1.40%

NH - GW Could Fight This
==============================
Kerry - 1480256 - Won by 0.45%
Bush - 1466963
Total - 2947219
Lost By - 13293
% Of Total - 0.45%

Funny I didn't hear any major pleas about people not getting thier vote counted in any of those other states...

I wonder.... could it be that the Democrats couldn't give a rats-ass about counting the vote after all and only choose to play that card when they think they have a chance (as remote as it might be) to win?

No the DEMS are far to above board and 'for the people' - I must be misunderstood... :lol:

Dave

Kerry will concede shortly. Andrew Card would not have come out and declared a certain win if he wasn't sure. Karl Rove told Bush he had it locked up shortly after midnight.

[BuonRotto]

I think Kerry is holding out for something karmic, like votes getting thrown out in Ohio and winnning the Electoral vote but losing the popular vote. Oh, the oriny of that one. But trumptman is right, Ohio can't really be called too close, especially given PA's and FLorida's totals. Bush has won is better fashion than in 2000 -- he has both electoral and popular support. Better get adjusted to that pretty darn quick.

I'm certainly one of those people who isn't happy about this, as it says to me that what you say is more than important than how you go about it (or don't go about it), but them's da facts. Consider also that republicans control the senate and congress, and Rehnquist on the supreme court might have to resign soon. Wonder how fast they can pull the 22nd Amendment? ;)

[SDW2001]

Originally posted by BuonRotto
I think Kerry is holding out for something karmic, like votes getting thrown out in Ohio and winnning the Electoral vote but losing the popular vote. Oh, the oriny of that one. But trumptman is right, Ohio can't really be called too close, especially given PA's and FLorida's totals. Bush has won is better fashion than in 2000 -- he has both electoral and popular support. Better get adjusted to that pretty darn quick.

I'm certainly one of those people who isn't happy about this, as it says to me that what you say is more than important than how you go about it (or don't go about it), but them's da facts. Consider also that republicans control the senate and congress, and Rehnquist on the supreme court might have to resign soon. Wonder how fast they can pull the 22nd Amendment? ;)

A very intellectually honest post. That's refreshing on this board.

[trumptman]

Originally posted by BuonRotto
I think Kerry is holding out for something karmic, like votes getting thrown out in Ohio and winnning the Electoral vote but losing the popular vote. Oh, the oriny of that one. But trumptman is right, Ohio can't really be called too close, especially given PA's and FLorida's totals. Bush has won is better fashion than in 2000 -- he has both electoral and popular support. Better get adjusted to that pretty darn quick.

I'm certainly one of those people who isn't happy about this, as it says to me that what you say is more than important than how you go about it (or don't go about it), but them's da facts. Consider also that republicans control the senate and congress, and Rehnquist on the supreme court might have to resign soon. Wonder how fast they can pull the 22nd Amendment? ;)

Come now, you know the Republicans would never pull the 22nd Amendment. We would have ol'Bill Clinton to deal with again.

Bill would probably win too. He is a political badass.

Nick

[Outsider]

Originally posted by trumptman
Come now, you know the Republicans would never pull the 22nd Amendment. We would have ol'Bill Clinton to deal with again.

Bill would probably win too. He is a political badass.

Nick In that case...


GO 22nd Amendment!

[tonton]

Originally posted by THT
Congratulations to GWB and his team. They have my applause. I hope they will do a better job in the 2nd term than the first. A good job for all Americans, not just the Republican half.

In the meanwhile, I'll fume for a few days and wait patiently for 2006 and 2008 to hopefully see the tide turn.

Hear! Hear!

[Gene Clean]

AP and CNN say Kerry called Bush to concede the election.

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
AP and CNN say Kerry called Bush to concede the election. Thank god. He saved his senate career, at least for a while.

He did the right thing.

[ipodandimac]

LOL I cant believe Kerry conceded! I mean I think it was the right call, but after all that shit they said last night this definitely comes as a surprise.

[lolo]

I voted for Kerry so I am disappointed. However, I offer my congratulations to Mr. Bush and his supporters and I hope that he'll do a better job as president of all Americans in his second term. This country is very divided right now.

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by lolo
I voted for Kerry so I am disappointed. However, I offer my congratulations to Mr. Bush and his supporters and I hope that he'll do a better job as president of all Americans in his second term. This country is very divided right now. Yes but it is less divided than in 2000.

[lolo]

Originally posted by NaplesX
Yes but it is less divided than in 2000.

If you look at the popular vote, that is correct. It wasn't even close.
However, I feel that the division is more severe in the sense that there is a lot of anti-Bush animosity this time around (more than in 2000). It's like "okay, I can see how someone could have voted for Bush in 2000, but this year, how can anyone possibly support him given his dismal record over the last 4 years??"
I wish Kerry had won but I've already moved on. I just hope things get better now (Iraq, economy, etc) even though I don't think that Bush will ever be able to unite this country.

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by lolo
If you look at the popular vote, that is correct. It wasn't even close.
However, I feel that the division is more severe in the sense that there is a lot of anti-Bush animosity this time around (more than in 2000). It's like "okay, I can see how someone could have voted for Bush in 2000, but this year, how can anyone possibly support him given his dismal record over the last 4 years??"
I wish Kerry had won but I've already moved on. I just hope things get better now (Iraq, economy, etc) even though I don't think that Bush will ever be able to unite this country. Not if there are people out there with your same attitude. It is now time for this country to rally behind this president and get those things done that you mentioned, It is a clear win and debunks the Bush is an illegitimate president.

The reality is, and we both know it, that the dems in power will be bitter for yet another 4 years and attempt to block anything and everything that this president tries to accomplish. If he does accomplish anything good, as with Reagan it will be a decade or more before they give him his "propers."

The past predicts the future.

[Ra]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bush's agenda the last four years has been largely different than what he ran on in 2000. We have no idea what the hell he's going to do in the next four years.

[lolo]

It is a clear win and debunks the Bush is an illegitimate president.
I'll grant you that.
It is now time for this country to rally behind this president
Yes, although that's hard to do when you don't respect him (because you don't think he's as bright as a president should be) or you don't trust him (because you feel like you've been misled).
Not if there are people out there with your same attitude.
I'm trying to be on my best behavior after Kerry's defeat. If you want "attitude", you should talk to some hardcore Kerry supporters right now :)

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by lolo
I'll grant you that.

Yes, although that's hard to do when you don't respect him (because you don't think he's as bright as a president should be) or you don't trust him (because you feel like you've been misled).

I'm trying to be on my best behavior after Kerry's defeat. If you want "attitude", you should talk to some hardcore Kerry supporters right now :) Sometimes the right thing is the hard thing.

[Anna Mated]

Rallying behind Satan is sure to get you in alot of trouble.

If there are any decent Christians left in America, I suggest you divorce yourself from the Republican Party in the first instance, and if you want to be involved in politics, start your own party.

Wars, lies, deceit, greed, arrogance, bigotry, oil, dollars, skull and bones, patriot acts, guantanamo, taxcuts for the richest, militant fundamentalism, intolerance, and division ARE NOT Christian values.

[Jubelum]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
Rallying behind Satan is sure to get you in alot of trouble.

If there are any decent Christians left in America, I suggest you divorce yourself from the Republican Party in the first instance, and if you want to be involved in politics, start your own party.

Wars, lies, deceit, greed, arrogance, bigotry, oil, dollars, skull and bones, patriot acts, guantanamo, taxcuts for the richest, militant fundamentalism, intolerance, and division ARE NOT Christian values.

Thank you, Mr. Kerry. Your cab is waiting.

[Anna Mated]

Originally posted by Jubelum
Thank you, Mr. Kerry. Your cab is waiting.

Thank You, Mr Bush, Hell is waiting.

[Jubelum]

Originally posted by Anna Mated
Thank You, Mr Bush, Hell is waiting.

NATAS, NAAAAATAAAAAS! REDRUM, REDRUUUUUUM!!!!

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