Common sense always wins... [Archive]

rageous

11-02-2004, 10:08 PM

There is nothing common sense about banning one group of people from having the same legal rights as others, as long as they are law abiding citizens.

This is the stupidest thing in the world that this fight is all about the definiton of a word.

What a waste of resources.

Wrong Robot

11-02-2004, 10:11 PM

So does this mean you can't get divorced anymore?

FormerLurker

11-02-2004, 10:12 PM

and this shit will decide the election for so many people, while their countrymen are dying while serving as recruitment fodder for middle east terrorism
:mad:

madmax559

11-02-2004, 10:39 PM

i find this really funny...

we are spilt over an issue in a country with the highest divorce rate
egged on by priests who ae morally outraged all the while screwing
their alter boys

does anyone else see the hypocrisy in this ?

spindler

11-02-2004, 10:40 PM

Americans have the nerve to tell someone else how to live their life when they themselves are a bunch of perverts without the slightest clue what values are. This is disgusting.

Every night Jay Leno comes on and he's free to make a joke about the woman who was murdered just yesterday. What kind of pervert would make a joke about something like that? And why do all these American perverts laugh at something like that? 25 years ago it would have been considered disgraceful but apparently it's just fine, now.

I stayed home from work today to watch the election. I just briefly looked at the different channels and on a soap opera there was a woman with a net over her head. The man she knew was holding her against her will. I watched it for thirty seconds wondering why there was this net on her head. But this sick shit is what Americans want to see. It's mixed in with everything on television. Americans can't get enough of Laci Peterson's murder but they want to tell others how to live.

And for those who say "If you don't like it don't watch it", I certainly don't watch it, and I care for almost nothing mainstream. But since this garbage is mixed in with everything from radio stations to newspapers to television, it must be what the majority of people want. And these same people want to step into others' lives because of their moral philosphies.

Neø

11-02-2004, 10:50 PM

Looks like you are mixing the couch potatoes with people who want to get up and get something done...

it's the couch potatoes, who can't get enough of the Laci Peterson murder, while the people that try to preserve the traditional American values are out collecting signatures and not giving a rat's butt about what goes on of TV...

talksense101

11-02-2004, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Neø
the people that try to preserve the traditional American values are out collecting signatures and not giving a rat's butt about what goes on of TV...

... and are oblivious of what goes on around them and are not focused on their future.

Rick1138

11-02-2004, 10:59 PM

To be quite hoest all the people in that picture look very gay. To begin with, the color of the shirts...

madmax559

11-02-2004, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Neø
Looks like you are mixing the couch potatoes with people who want to get up and get something done...

it's the couch potatoes, who can't get enough of the Laci Peterson murder, while the people that try to preserve the traditional American values are out collecting signatures and not giving a rat's butt about what goes on of TV...

could someone enlighten me just what these traditional values are ?
ive heard a lot from people who miss the '50's & 60's

so should we bring back segregation ?
anti-immigration ?
bring back the apollo progam (i would be in favour of this :)

so just what is a traditional value ?

rageous

11-02-2004, 11:20 PM

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all (expect them there faggots!) and in the darkness bind them.
In the Land of America where the Shadows lie.

Rick1138

11-02-2004, 11:24 PM

What I am really upset about is that these amendments ban polygamy as well...

buckeye

11-02-2004, 11:26 PM

Carson O'Genic

11-03-2004, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Neø
...while the people that try to preserve the traditional American values are out collecting signatures and not giving a rat's butt about what goes on of TV...

I thought traditional American values included protection from tyranny of the majority. I thought the right to think or behave differently was protected, as long as such behavior doesn't hurt others. How are the two men that are living downstairs together in my building hurting you??

tonton

11-03-2004, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Rick1138
To be quite hoest all the people in that picture look very gay. To begin with, the color of the shirts...

Those shirts were designed by Queer Eye for the Fundie Guy.

Rick1138

11-03-2004, 12:39 AM

How are the two men that are living downstairs together in my building hurting you??

Exactly, what about Abe Lincoln?

rageous

11-03-2004, 12:53 AM

I sincerely hope the hatred of gays becomes as big a civil rights issue in my time as the hatred of blacks was in my parents time.

BuonRotto

11-03-2004, 12:53 AM

common sense in this case = bullshit

Neø

11-03-2004, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by buckeye
You are sooooooooo Gay.

the classic case of "can't discredit the message---attack the messenger"

Neø

11-03-2004, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by tonton
Those shirts were designed by Queer Eye for the Fundie Guy.

The color is supposed to be clearly visible by drugged drivers like you, but again, you might think that you are hallucinating (sp?)

tonton

11-03-2004, 01:27 AM

People like myself are pro-marriage and pro-family. 100%. For everybody.

These fundies are anti-marriage and anti-family for much of the nation's population.

Neø

11-03-2004, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by tonton
People like myself are pro-marriage and pro-family. 100%. For everybody.

These fundies are anti-marriage and anti-family for much of the nation's population.

Errrr...are trying to say that most of the population is gay?

Dude, ya gotta lay off the pot, acid or what ever yer doin there...
i mean it's totally screwing yer mind...

tonton

11-03-2004, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Neø
Errrr...are trying to say that most of the population is gay?

Dude, ya gotta lay off the pot, acid or what ever yer doin there...
i mean it's totally screwing yer mind...

Only a home schoole wouldn't know the definition of the word "much".

Anna Mated

11-03-2004, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Neø
The color is supposed to be clearly visible by drugged drivers like you, but again, you might think that you are hallucinating (sp?)

the classic case of "can't discredit the message---attack the messenger"

Neø

11-03-2004, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by tonton
Only a home schoole wouldn't know the definition of the word "much".

whoops! well, it's kinda getting late---i'm fallin' asleep already, but i still have to study for that vocab test we have tomorow...
...time to get another can of Coke

anyways, the word "much" is oftentimes used to show that whatever we are talking makes up half or more of the total amount, as in

Much of the PC users prefer DELL's low prices to Apple's high quality when choosing a computer.

[edit] added a quote :rolleyes:

Neø

11-03-2004, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Anna Mated
the classic case of "can't discredit the message---attack the messenger"

see, everyone uses this tactic...and that includes me---a republican, and lots of democrats i've seen on this forum and on TV

tonton

11-03-2004, 03:11 AM

As to the thread title, yes, common sense will prevail... eventually.

11-03-2004, 03:26 AM

As long as people cling to religion, common sense will never prevail.

tonton

11-03-2004, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by Ra
As long as people cling to religion, common sense will never prevail.

True, but religion will pass... eventually.

Relic

11-03-2004, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by tonton
True, but religion will pass... eventually.

Yea, just like a Kidney stone!

Placebo

11-03-2004, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by Ra
As long as people cling to religion, common sense will never prevail.

groverat

11-03-2004, 07:52 AM

Our nation is bitter and divided.

DaveGee

11-03-2004, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by groverat
Our nation is bitter and divided.

Well half of it is anyway... :lol:

Sorry just a little punchy after staying up all night

Dave

tonton

11-03-2004, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by DaveGee
Well half of it is anyway... :lol:

Sorry just a little punchy after staying up all night

Dave

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Paul

11-03-2004, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by Neø
anyways, the word "much" is oftentimes used to show that whatever we are talking makes up half or more of the total amount, as in

Much of the PC users prefer DELL's low prices to Apple's high quality when choosing a computer.

[edit] added a quote :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol:

buckeye

11-03-2004, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Neø
the classic case of "can't discredit the message---attack the messenger"

Common sense says that your incredible fear of homosexuals is a response to your struggle to repress your own true homosexual desires.

Quit hating yourself and just let it go.

timmy o'tool

11-03-2004, 06:21 PM

Can someone who is anti-gay marrage please tell me why, without dusting off your bible and reading some passage.

Whisper

11-03-2004, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by timmy o'tool
Can someone who is anti-gay marrage please tell me why, without dusting off your bible and reading some passage. Sure. I don't like it.

badtz

11-03-2004, 06:28 PM

Neo,

are you religious?

just curious.

audiopollution

11-03-2004, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Whisper
Sure. I don't like it.

I don't like that you eat pizza.

No more pizza for you.

badtz

11-03-2004, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Whisper
Sure. I don't like it.

and please assess WHY you don't like it.

addabox

11-03-2004, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by audiopollution
I don't like that you eat pizza.

No more pizza for you.

More generally, no more pizza for anyone, by constitutional amendment (so the pizza loving states can't sneak it across state lines).

iPoster

11-03-2004, 06:40 PM

Speaking as a non-religious person who has worked with gays and had gay friends, (but isn't gay, sorry!) the question you need to ask is, where do we draw the line on 'marriage'?
Straight/gay = OK, but no to polygamy?
What about marrying relatives? (yes, there are people out there that would do that)

This is a tougher question than one of religion V secular government, which I don't claim to have the answer to. But I think the overwhelming approval of the ballots in every state that had one speaks for what the majority of voters think about the issue.

badtz

11-03-2004, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by iPoster
Speaking as a non-religious person who has worked with gays and had gay friends, (but isn't gay, sorry!) the question you need to ask is, where do we draw the line on 'marriage'?
Straight/gay = OK, but no to polygamy?
What about marrying relatives? (yes, there are people out there that would do that)

This is a tougher question than one of religion V secular government, which I don't claim to have the answer to. But I think the overwhelming approval of the ballots in every state that had one speaks for what the majority of voters think about the issue.

How is gay marriage equated to that of polygamy?

Gay marriage involves TWO consensual people who happens to be of the same sex. PERIOD. no one else's business.

About the part of marrying relatives: there's major consequences for breeding within your same gene pool. That's an actual PHYSICAL/REAL threat.

InactionMan

11-03-2004, 06:54 PM

The definition Canada will be adopting shortly, "Marriage, for civil purposes, is the lawful union of two persons to the exclusion of all others"

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

timmy o'tool

11-03-2004, 06:56 PM

On the question of polygamy I will have to give it more thought and get back to you but on the question of incest there is a clear answer about why that shouldn't be allowed that has no religous base. Genetic differencation, it is a clear fact the lack of genetic differencation cause horrible birth defects. Acually ,and I am not sure but, I don't think that the bible frowns on incest because if you take the story of Adam and Eve at face value thier would have to have been a certain amount of incest. So I guess the moral of the story is that maybe the bible doesn't give you all the info you need to define which sort of relationship is o.k. and which is not. ;)

addabox

11-03-2004, 07:20 PM

What I want to know is, where do we draw the line on straight "marriage".

Seems to me, once you let a man and a woman "get married", how do you say no to a brother and a sister? A 5 year old girl and a 50 year old man? A dead woman and a live guy?

Where does it end? Because, logically, once you OK "marriage" you're giving tacit approval to any union between any kind of man and any kind of woman.

rageous

11-03-2004, 07:53 PM

The reason why polygamy would still be outlawed is quite simple: we don't currently allow anyone to marry multiple people at once. Nobody is being excluded, because there is nothing to exclude them from.

The reasons against incestuous relationships have been clearly stated prior to my posting.

rok

11-03-2004, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by iPoster
Speaking as a non-religious person who has worked with gays and had gay friends, (but isn't gay, sorry!) the question you need to ask is, where do we draw the line on 'marriage'?
Straight/gay = OK, but no to polygamy?
What about marrying relatives? (yes, there are people out there that would do that)

This is a tougher question than one of religion V secular government, which I don't claim to have the answer to. But I think the overwhelming approval of the ballots in every state that had one speaks for what the majority of voters think about the issue.

yes, and i'm quite sure the majority of male americans didn't want women able to vote, or then the majority of white people probably didn't want the slaves freed or equal. this may come as a shock, but the one problem with democracy is that sometimes the majority isn't always correct.

and i swear, you say that line of "i had gay friends" or "some of my best friends are gay" and you may as well have a big ass ignorance signs around your neck. go ahead, talk to one of your gay friends, and tell them that. see how long the conversation lasts.