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addabox
11-03-2004, 06:57 PM
OK, wingers, it's all yours.

You got your man Bush back, you have firm control of both houses of Congress, you have a compliant press, and Clinton is 4 long years out of office.

Perhaps we can agree that what happens next in Iraq is entirely yours. As in Bush/Republican/chickenhawk/fundee/"I don't care what anybody says, I know in my heart Saddam masterminded 9/11" yours.

Are you digin' it? Is freedom on the march?

Here's the thing: it's a clusterfuck, and I think you know it. It's getting harder and harder to find anyone in a position to know who thinks things are "getting better". Things are, by any objective criteria, getting much, much worse.

Larger and larger areas of the country are outside of US control. Sure, we can bomb the shit out of urban areas, but not really the fast track to winning hearts and minds, is it?

Elections? Real elections, according to the polls in Iraq, would install an anti-American Islamist regime.

And why would anybody think that open elections would put an end to the insurgency? Much less American controlled show elections.

So we're faced with very few options. We can "stay the course", subjecting American troops to a war of attrition with no apparent end, we can hold elections and get the hell out, leaving in our wake another western hating Mullah run state (and Osama says thanks a bunch), we can try to prop up a strong man that keeps the natives in line (not a very good track record with that , I'm afraid), or we could just stick our fingers in our ears and go "booga booga bogga! All is well!" (the Bush doctrine).

And somehow you supremely self-satisfied right wing douche bags still think you've won something.

After every "liberal" warning about the consequences of invading Iraq has come horribly true you still think reelecting Bush is a triumph of some sort.

So what's the plan? You do have a plan, don't you? Because sending Americans off to die for no fucking reason is such a buzz killer.

Common Man
11-03-2004, 07:08 PM
Maybe Mr. Kerry will be kind enough to share "his plan" so we can resolve this in the near future.

addabox
11-03-2004, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Common Man
Maybe Mr. Kerry will be kind enough to share "his plan" so we can resolve this in the near future.

Not what I asked. This war was started by Bush, you supported it and him.

You and yours owe us an answer.

timmy o'tool
11-03-2004, 07:26 PM
Once a bell has been rung you can't unring it. Yea I know it shouldn't have happened in the first place, you can thank the smirking chimp for that one, but were there now. The way I see it we have a few options.

A. Cut are losses and pull out.

I don't think thats a good idea in the long run and we destroyed their country, the least we can do is make a attempt at putting it back together, anthing less would not be hornorable.

B. Quickly train a bare minimum of Iraqi forces and slowely pull out.

Not going to work, it might help us sleep at night but in the end it would be no better the option A.

C. Buck up and dig in for the long haul.
It's going to hurt badly, were going to take heavey losses and in the end it will probably fail.

If only we could unring that bell.:no:

Scott
11-03-2004, 07:45 PM
The way this thread starts I think we can count on a republican victory in 2008.

Placebo
11-03-2004, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by Scott
The way this thread starts I think we can count on a republican victory in 2008.
Don't worry, Bush will use these 4 years to make quite a case for voting Democrat.

THT
11-03-2004, 09:54 PM
Bush will pull out the troops in Fall of 2006 as a political play to strengthen Republican chances for taking office. It doesn't matter what the state of Iraq is.

Ra
11-03-2004, 10:29 PM
addabox, I'm disappointed. We're going to stay the course, just like Bush has campaigned for. That means we'll continue to be told things are going great while people are getting beheaded. Yup. Stay the course.

addabox
11-03-2004, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Scott
The way this thread starts I think we can count on a republican victory in 2008.

In other words, unless the dems get with the program and start trading in lies and bullshit as reflexively as they breath, they have no chance as a political party.

Towel
11-04-2004, 05:32 AM
What happens immediately is that we put the "new" Iraqi forces to the test as we storm Fallujah, probably within a few days. In a horribly bloddy battle, we see if they'll finally stand and fight. If they do, we can start to leave after the "election". If they don't, we have to start to leave after the "election", else they never will. All in all, I agree with THT: out by 2006.

Assuming no major terror attacks, drafts, or invasions of neighboring countries intervene.

MarcUK
11-04-2004, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by addabox
In other words, unless the dems get with the program and start trading in lies and bullshit as reflexively as they breath, they have no chance as a political party.

**** ***.

I got banned for saying that to Scott. I'd edit it quick.

You can troll all you like in AppleOutsider, but you're not allowed to tell a troll to **** ***.

Harald
11-04-2004, 02:04 PM
No, no; back on topic.

Kerry would have been a disaster, right? Only Bush has a plan for Iraq and the Middle East, right?

OK, what now then?

What next in Iraq? Bomb the shit out of Falluja?

Then what?

MarcUK
11-04-2004, 02:09 PM
teh iraqi's have sterted registering for the election

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3971635.stm

addabox
11-04-2004, 03:27 PM
My real concern is that an "empowered" Bush will start a blood bath, all the while assuring us that only "terrorists" are being dealt with.

It wouldn't be that different than what's been happening up till now, but now he doesn't have to pretend to care about civilian deaths.

So bomb the "terrorists strongholds" back to the stone age and if more keep popping up.... well, we may have to destroy Iraq to save it.