Global Warming and Bush Denial - both worse than we thought

[FormerLurker]

The Bush administration has been working for months to keep an upcoming eight-nation report from endorsing broad policies aimed at curbing global warming, according to domestic and foreign participants, despite the group's conclusion that Arctic latitudes are facing historic increases in temperature, glacial melting and abrupt weather changes.

State Department representatives have argued that the group, which has spent four years examining Arctic climate fluctuations, lacks the evidence to prepare detailed policy proposals. But several participants in the negotiations, all of whom requested anonymity for fear of derailing the Nov. 24 report, said officials from the eight nations and six indigenous tribes involved in the effort had ample science on which to draft policy.

The recommendations are based on a study, which was leaked last week, that concludes the Arctic is warming much faster than other areas of the world and that much of this change is linked to human-generated greenhouse gas emissions. The Arctic Climate Impact Assessment -- produced by a council of nations with Arctic territory that includes the United States, Canada, Russia and several Nordic countries -- reflects the work of more than 300 scientists.
Many, many articles (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22arctic+council%22&btnG=Search+News)

And It Begins (or continues...) :mad:

[MarcUK]

Is there a map online that shows what the world would look like if the sea rose 1m, 2m, etc?

[FormerLurker]

I'm sure any admission by the Bush admin. that there need to be less carbon dioxide emissions in the Arctic would put a bit of a crimp in their ANWR drilling ambitions. Building and running the physical plant required would surely be a vast increase in emissions for that part of the world.

[BuonRotto]

The east and west coasts of the US would be wiped out. How convenient. ;) :devil:

[Aquatic]

Guys come on don't worry. According to Nick, Mr. Bush is a great environmental President!

This seriously makes me worry about my job field (environmental science major.)

Because of assholes like Nick, Scott, Neo, and Common Man, my job career is actually in danger. It's personal. You assclowns don't even appreciate the shit we do.

Today we took a field trip in Hydrology. There was a cluster of houses next to a pond, with new septic treatment tanks, that used microbes to filter waste, since they were rural and too far away to be hooked to sewers, but were leaking lots of nitrogen in to the estuary. U. Rhode Island payed half a MILLION for each house. They could have saved 80% of the cash if they had made one big one for a few houses instead of having to have separate ones. But that is not the American way. We don't share. We don't care about the environment. I've had enough of this shit. The environment should be one of the President's chief responsibilities, not next to last.

Again: you Bushies have no CLUE. Do some research and get back to us. For starters, if you don't believe in evolution you are retarded. But if you don't "believe" in global warming you are harming other people. You are killing Native American children with pollution when you vote for Bush (nuke waste dumped on their reservations) you are making species extinct, and you are costing the country trillions in the long run.

I'm very depressed.

Maybe I should be a poli sci major but I don't know if I could handle dealing with people that are so dumb they don't believe in evolution, or refuse to understand fundamental ecological concepts. If you don't have the facts how can you make decisions? How can you argue with people that think environmental policy should be based on the fact that the Rapture is coming in 15 years?! :wow:

[rampancy]

Because of those people, instead of studying biological species diversity, I'll end up studying biological species extinctions.

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by rampancy
Because of those people, instead of studying biological species diversity, I'll end up studying biological species extinctions. So how's the population curve for Homo Sapiens looking these days?

I'd bet every cent I'll earn in my lifetime that at least 10% of Bush voters would say to that, "I hope them homos all die anyway", although this may be the wrong current thread for that particular reflection.

[rampancy]

Notes on Human Ecology (http://www.ekcsk12.org/science/regbio/humanecologynts.html), along with a good compact population curve for Homo Sapiens.

It's pretty obvious that with 6+ billion people kicking around that habitat for native species is going to dwindle. And that's on top of global climate change, pollution, etc.

It makes me think of what happened to the Oak Ridges Moraine (http://www.iaglr.org/scipolicy/nps/oakridges.php).

You know, thinking about what you said about those "Homo sapiens" makes me think that in the hundreds of thousands of years or so since we left the forests of Africa, we really haven't changed all that much.

[Gene Clean]

Next thing you'll know, the reps will start calling themselves man+woman sapiens, cuz homo sapiens doesn't fit well with the teachings of jesus...

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
Next thing you'll know, the reps will start calling themselves man+woman sapiens, cuz homo sapiens doesn't fit well with the teachings of jesus... Before it's all over, there will be (red) state referendums to make all textbooks refer to the species as "God's Children"

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by rampancy
Notes on Human Ecology (http://www.ekcsk12.org/science/regbio/humanecologynts.html), along with a good compact population curve for Homo Sapiens. That's what I was looking for, thanks.

(Some specific human influences on Ecosystem Factors)

1. Increasing numbers:

-- results from an increased human life span
-- health advances largely led to this This is a topic you don't see discussed much. I suppose the exponentially-increasing cost of health care will be the USA solution to this problem - only the high-income shall survive!

The graph warrants posting directly, too, for those who would comment without bothering to click:

http://www.ekcsk12.org/science/regbio/humanpopulationgrowth.gif

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by Aquatic



For starters, if you don't believe in evolution you are retarded. But if you don't "believe" in global warming you are harming other people.

You dont need to believe in either of those things. Having belief implies that a certain part of the theory is a leap of faith or not established as a fact.

Evolution is a Fact. It happens, it has/is been/being observed.

Global Warming is a Fact. It happens, it has/is been/being observed.

There are no beliefs here. Just accept the facts.