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segovius
02-07-2005, 04:47 AM
Yemen has found a non violent weapon in the it's own version of the 'war on terror': Qur'anic debates (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0204/p01s04-wome.html)

Five leading Islamic scholars challenged al-Qaeda prisoners held in Yemen to a theological debate with the loser to admit the winner held the correct interpretation.

Cleric Judge Hamoud al-Hitar told the prisoners in his challenge:

"If you can convince us that your ideas are justified by the Koran, then we will join you in your struggle," Hitar told the militants. "But if we succeed in convincing you of our ideas, then you must agree to renounce violence."

The prisoners were confident and easily agreed - of course they lost, but the results are interesting.

Apparently they have been released and terror attacks have stopped.

"Since December 2002, when the first round of the dialogues ended, there have been no terrorist attacks here, even though many people thought that Yemen would become terror's capital," says Hitar, eyes glinting shrewdly from beneath his emerald-green turban. "Three hundred and sixty-four young men have been released after going through the dialogues and none of these have left Yemen to fight anywhere else."

"Yemen's strategy has been unconventional certainly, but it has achieved results that we could never have hoped for," says one European diplomat, who did not want to be named. "Yemen has gone from being a potential enemy to becoming an indispensable ally in the war on terror."

Personally I think something like this has to be an integral part of any struggle against radical Islam. As the Judge says "If you study terrorism in the world, you will see that it has an intellectual theory behind it.....and any kind of intellectual idea can be defeated by intellect."

What do people think of this ?

Harald
02-07-2005, 06:27 AM
Much smarter then trying to win an unwinnable war by force.

Of course, it's not that simple. Without a similar process on the other side (us) who are also violent it's not going to work.

We have to end the mindset that says, "The oil is going to run out, we MUST invade Saudi Arabia," instead of "The oil is going to run out, we've got to use less and wean ourselves off it."

segovius
02-07-2005, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by Harald
Much smarter then trying to win an unwinnable war by force.

Of course, it's not that simple. Without a similar process on the other side (us) who are also violent it's not going to work.

We have to end the mindset that says, "The oil is going to run out, we MUST invade Saudi Arabia," instead of "The oil is going to run out, we've got to use less and wean ourselves off it."

Yes, you're absolutely right - what would be needed is a similar dialogue on 'our side', our own fundies and those who invoke 'God' such as Boykin need to be faced with a western equivalent of the Yemeni Jurists.

Do we have an equivalent though ?

Kishan
02-07-2005, 07:40 AM
I think it is a brilliant strategy against the terrorist "foot soldier" who was seduced by the superficially Q'uoranic teachings of Al-Qaeida (spelling?) and others. I think what they found was that the simple indoctrination given to these men could not stand up to the arguments of true scholars who had spent a lifetime studying the Q'uoran. The problem with this strategy is that it does not address the leadership of the terrorists who are motivated by more than just religion. These people will always find new disenfranchised people to carry on with the terrorism. I would be interested to read about a breakdown in the types of people against whom this tactic was used. Were they high level terrorists or just the poor SOBs that the terrorists would convince to strap explosives to themselves?

dmz
02-07-2005, 09:37 AM
Very good. why didn't they think of this until know? From what I understand (which isn't alot) Wahabism, a branch of a branch of a branch of Islam, is not very well infromed.

maybe things will get better:wow:

dmz
02-07-2005, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by segovius
Do we have an equivalent though?


I think Christianity is been doing this (albeit verrrry slooowly) since it's founding. Kinda the open-source religion, people are constantly tinkering with it, submitting new ideas, addressing issues, some good some bad, but in the end it's getting more self-conscious and mature.

johnq
02-07-2005, 09:46 AM
Plenty of ideologies have been defeated in the past (or allowed to defeat themselves or left to fail on their own).

One has to wonder what the middle east will do once the world has no choice but to create alternative fuels for vehicles/power. All they'll have left is tourism as possible revenue stream, when oil is worthless, and you sure as hell can't have tourism with terrorism nearby.

segovius
02-07-2005, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by johnq
Plenty of ideologies have been defeated in the past (or allowed to defeat themselves or left to fail on their own).

One has to wonder what the middle east will do once the world has no choice but to create alternative fuels for vehicles/power. All they'll have left is tourism as possible revenue stream, when oil is worthless, and you sure as hell can't have tourism with terrorism nearby.

Good point - in may ways the oil discovery has been the death of a culture in the ME.

I wouldn't rule out finance though, a lot of ME governments are pretty much big players in that area already so maybe they will go that way.

Common Man
02-07-2005, 03:24 PM
This is interesting. It can be effective if (1) the "terrorists" are really motivated by religion and (2) the "other side" is one they trust and respect. We have far too alienated the Muslim world to ebter this type of dialogue with these folks. Such discussions should have started years ago.