PETA gets another freak

[a_greer]

Dennis Rodman is the newest spokesman for PETA
link (http://www.fashiongates.com/magazine/rodman-08-02-05-02051.html)
(insert your red meat joke here)

Also, the bastards at PETA have put Mercedes Benz's nuts in a vice which amounts to CLOTH SEATS in MERCEDES, that is evil, if you want cloth, get a Ford Taurus!

This also seems weird because the car companies use part of the cow that the beef industry cannot. Is that not a GOOD thing, using ALL parts of a resource, thus less waste, these PETA people are hypocrites.

[edit by groverat... holy crap that is one fantastic amount of spelling errors. Spel chek iz ur frend.]

[Wrong Robot]

Originally posted by a_greer

this also seems weird because the car companies use part of the cow that the beef industry cannot. Is that not a GOOD thing, useing ALL parts of a resource, thus less waste, these PETA people are hypocrits.


Explain the hypocrisy here. PETA decries the unethical treatment of animals, at least, in theory. How does the efficiency of a process contradict their mission statement?

PETA mission statement excerpt
PETA operates under the simple principle that animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment.


Now, whether PETA are hypocrites in other areas is neither here nor there. In this case however, you claim that the efficiency of using leather here and meat there makes it okay and therefore PETA are hypocrites for wanting people to stop eating meat and using it for things like leather? Is that correct? perhaps you should look up the definition of hypocrite

[Splinemodel]

I'm generally pro-conservation, but I don't really see a problem with any of the issues here.

1) There are plenty of cars to buy that do not have leather seats.

2) There are people who are happy to buy fur coats made of farm raised animals. Let them.

[the cool gut]

I think PETA would probably have more respect and further their cause if they persued more "immediate" forms of animal cruelty.

[midwinter]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
PETA would have more respect if it stopped using any means to justify the ends...

That ship has sailed. The best bet for PETA is to change its name to something wholesome like "Altria."

[Carson O'Genic]

PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals

I don't think there is any reasoning with these folks. I'm happy to let them live their lives as they wish, but they strongly disagree with most people's views and they won't budge. your not going to convince them that leather is good because they killed the cow already. They don't want you to kill the cow in the first place (which means the cow wouldn't have ever existed either since they are raised for their meat etc.).

[Gon]

I think the ad campaign is fun, well executed, and probably has some impact.

I think fur is not a very good material by modern standards, and overpriced in any case, so I wouldn't buy it even if it was grown in a vat with no animals involved.

That's something we might eventually see, BTW.

I happily use other animal products. Leather is a very nice and useful material. I like meat. Optimal-performance diets necessarily contain a lot of animal products.

[giant]

PETA is nothing without context and critiquing PETA outside of the context is a cop-out. They have a function and they do it well.

I'm mostly a vegetarian (aside from a good amount of fish and sometimes some bird), but I don't think about it at all and I have leather car seats, shoes, belts and even a couple animal skins. I frequently ecourage my cat to kill mice and moths, to the point where I'm considering getting feeder mice for him. I don't eat steak anymore, but it's one of my favorite foods. And I like what PETA does even if they don't like everything I do.

[thuh Freak]

the problem with peta isn't that they love animals, it's that they are in love with animals.

[e1618978]

Also The bastards at PETA have put Mercedes Benzes muts in a vice which amounts to CLOTH SEATS in MERCEDES

Mercedes makes crappy, overpriced cars. Get a Volvo - much better car, just as luxy, much lower cost of ownership, and much less expensive.

http://www.deepnet.info/swedespeed/gallery/r/e1618978.jpg

http://new.volvocars.com/r/us_index.asp

And they have leather seats. BTW - Mercedes still has leather seats, multiple kinds of leather, so I don't really know what you are complaining about.

[tonton]

Originally posted by giant
PETA is nothing without context and critiquing PETA outside of the context is a cop-out. They have a function and they do it well.

I'm mostly a vegetarian (aside from a good amount of fish and sometimes some bird), but I don't think about it at all and I have leather car seats, shoes, belts and even a couple animal skins. I frequently ecourage my cat to kill mice and moths, to the point where I'm considering getting feeder mice for him. I don't eat steak anymore, but it's one of my favorite foods. And I like what PETA does even if they don't like everything I do.

I respectfully disagree here.

PETA have taken a noble cause -- a necessary cause, and made it a joke through their idiotic hardline stance and vandalous actions. No serious rights advocate should break the law to spread their message, because that only serves to make them look like hypocrites.

No more spraypainting coats (if someone did that to me I'd sue them, and if that failed I'd find out wherre they work and do my best to destroy their career). No more breaking into testing facilities and "liberating" animals. PETA psychos should understand that -sometimes- animal testing is the lesser of the evils -- that meat eating will never end -- and that as long as we don't stop eating meat, we'll have other products like leather, etc.

They should stick to nude protests. :p

Protest the poor conditions that animals are held in. Protest the keeping of large cats as pets. Protest the bear bile farmers in China.

But once they start screaming at me that I'm a murderer as I sit in Ruth's Chris eating a juicy filet that happens to have been free range, organically raised, they lose all respect.

And so we're left with a worthy cause -- protections of animals from unnecessary cruelty -- without a strong, respectable proponent.

[a_greer]

Originally posted by thuh Freak
the problem with peta isn't that they love animals, it's that they are in love with animals. Now, Now, that is only legal in West Virginia.(/sarcasum)

Really you do have a point, but your choice of words could be better, they Worship animals and the notion of the "pristeen" animal kingdom.

this is a huge thesis/op-ed waiting to happen so I will leave it at that so as not to start or escelate a flame war.

[a_greer]

Originally posted by e1618978
Mercedes makes crappy, overpriced cars. Get a Volvo - much better car, just as luxy, much lower cost of ownership, and much less expensive.

http://www.deepnet.info/swedespeed/gallery/r/e1618978.jpg

http://new.volvocars.com/r/us_index.asp

And they have leather seats. BTW - Mercedes still has leather seats, multiple kinds of leather, so I don't really know what you are complaining about. agreed, but I would prefer Jaguar, just too bad they are Ford now...

[BuonRotto]

I miss the nekkid ladies.

[Gon]

Volvo's a safer Ford. :)
(I drive a -81 242 myself. At least that's a car, even if a bad one.)

When looking for something better than Mercedes for less cost, I'd pick a Honda Accord sedan. Of course it only compares to C-class and not the bigger ones, but looks and drives totally sweet. I hate automatics, but I liked the Accord even in automatic. This was the Euro 2.4l.

edit: Actually I think Mercedes are very good cars for getting from point A to point B, and the absolute safest cars on the road. It's just how overpriced they are that makes them a poor choice. If I was a multimillionaire I'd have a G series MB in the garage, next to something ridiculously fast.

[e1618978]

Originally posted by Gon
[B]Volvo's a safer Ford. :)
(I drive a -81 242 myself. At least that's a car, even if a bad one.)


post-Ford Jaguars and Volvos are both better than pre-Ford Jaguars and Volvos. Also, the parts sharing is going the other way - Ford is becoming Volvo, not the other way around.

I have driven my V70R, and a Mercedes E-class. The V70R is tighter, faster, sportier, less expensive, and more luxurious.
The leather is nicer, the seats are much better, and the mercedes is automatic only. The Honda is nice, but not V70R nice, or anywhere close.

[Gon]

Originally posted by e1618978
I have driven my V70R, and a Mercedes E-class. The V70R is tighter, faster, sportier, less expensive, and more luxurious.
The leather is nicer, the seats are much better, and the mercedes is automatic only. The Honda is nice, but not V70R nice, or anywhere close. I think you are making a comparison where all three cars are totally different.
The Accord is a cheaper competitor to Volvo 40 series and Mercedes C-class. NOT to E and V70.
And the other two cars, well, you're not saying which E you drove but if it wasn't an AMG I'm afraid they have totally different design goals. You should rather be comparing the V70R to fast specimens of any German brand but MB.

[e1618978]

I think it was an E420 that I drove. The V70R and the E class are roughly the same size and quality - I don't know why they would not be competitors. The E55 AMG is $90K, I have never even seen one.

[Gon]

Originally posted by e1618978
I think it was an E420 that I drove. The V70R and the E class are roughly the same size and quality - I don't know why they would not be competitors.Size-wise, yeah, but...

In my opinion, the design of regular Mercedeses tries to make you forget you are driving a car and not sitting in a comfy chair. The other design criteria of MB is to have the absolute best passive and active safety. If you like these things, if you are just trying to get from A to B, navigate in traffic, get the job done, they are great cars. That's why the majority of taxis are MB's where I live. I recall this one particular crash report from the US: a MB and a Kia had a run-of-the-mill head on collision, but at a rather high speed. Three people died in the Kia, one went in intensive care. The woman driving the MB did not seek hospital treatment.

If you're looking for a car that gives you more of a driving experience, lets you feel what it's doing and feel the road, it's useless to look at MB because their main design goals are both antithetical to what you are looking for. Judging from your comments and your choice of car, I think you are the kind of driver who likes to drive. I am too, but I like smaller, nimbler cars and do not care much about luxury.

[tonton]

Uh... can we split this thread, please?

[e1618978]

They should stick to nude protests.

Are you saying that you want to see Dennis Rodman naked?

[Yevgeny]

MMMM, funny PETA story here:

My older brother is a freshman at UCLA back in 1990 and is walking across campus. There is a PETA rally on campus that my brother walks away from (no desire to get involved). One of the PETA folk sees that he is wearing a leather jacket and decides to confront him.

PETA guy: YOU'RE WEARING A LEATHER JACKET!!!!

bro: umm yeah.

PETA guy: LEATHER IS EXPLOITATION!!!

Peta guy proceedes to grab my older brother's jacket at the pocket and to rip it.

My older brother, fresh out of Army boot camp (which he went to for the fun of it) lands a punch on the PETA guy's face. The PETA guy falls and my brother walks away.


So the moral of the story is that vegan activists should not pick a fight with someone who just got out of boot.

[Gon]

Originally posted by Yevgeny
PETA guy: LEATHER IS EXPLOITATION!!!

Peta guy proceedes to grab my older brother's jacket at the pocket and to rip it.I'd pay to see this. :)So the moral of the story is that vegan activists should not pick a fight with someone who just got out of boot. The moral of the story is they should not assault people on the street. Any old geezer, sufficiently irritated, could put a goon like that in a wheelchair. You can never be sure that any person is "safe" to pick on. A young, physically fit guy is just a bit more of a risk than the rest.