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segovius
06-02-2005, 03:40 PM
The CIA have come up with a brilliant new scheme (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4603271.stm) that pushes the forgotten concept of freedom even further back into the dark ages.

This crackpot scheme involves planting spies in universities to pose as anthropologists - well actually to qualify as anthropologists. They will be paid$50,000 (£27,500) a year and have to use the techniques of academic "fieldwork" to gather political and cultural details on other countries.

They are not allowed to tell anyone they are spies of course, nor allowed to disclose the source of their funding to the university and will generally pose as academics.

Ho hum - of course this plan will go tits up when they all fail their initial exams but whatever.

In other news, a Jewish man who fled for his life from the Nazis in Germany in 1938 has realised to his shock and horror that he has once more to flee the oppression of the fascist jackboot -this time from America (http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=21363&mode=nested&order=0):

Those were the magic words of the time: "Papiere, Bitte." (Translation: "Papers, Please.") Hearing those words, even now, causes dull echoes of sounds akin to bodies hitting dirt, or bullets penetrating flesh to thud into my mind. Because, if those papers weren't correctly in order, or, if you were a Jew sneakily present in any place (including the grocery store) which displayed the usual "NO JEWS OR DOGS ALLOWED" sign, you were dead meat--literally. And, yes, of course I'm talking about my childhood as a little Jewish kid in Nazi Germany.

And, that's what's happening now. I smell the long-forgotten skunk, the long-forgotten rot of fascism. What is happening all around can no longer be denied. What I ran away from so desperately in 1938 is coming back full circle. Only the jack-boots have not yet arrived.

And as if to confirm this chilling warning from an eyewitness to an evil we thought we had defeated forever a 57 year-old grandmother (http://www.komotv.com/stories/37150.htm) from Des Moines has been branded a terrorist, fined and placed on a sinister Orwellian 'watch list'.

Cecelia Beaman, a school head, was taking her schoolkids on a trip to Disneyland. She had packed some knives to make sandwiches with and even alerted the security checkers at the airport of this.

But to no avail. The security guards found the knife - Beaman told them it was a mistake but they continued to stare icily cold and robotically inhuman:

"You've committed a felony," Beaman says a security screener announced. "And you're considered a terrorist."

Beaman says she was told her name would go on a terrorist watch-list and that she would have to pay a $500 fine.

"I'm a 57-year-old woman who is taking care of 37 kids," she told them. "I'm not gonna commit a terrorist act." Beaman says they took information from her Washington drivers license and confiscated and photographed the knife according to standard operating procedure.

She says screeners refused to give her paperwork or documentation of her violation, documentation of the pending fine, or a copy of the photograph of the knife.

"They said 'no' and they said it's a national security issue. And I said what about my constitutional rights? And they said 'not at this point ... you don't have any'."

That about sums it up for this month: your rights - at this point you don't have any.......

e1618978
06-02-2005, 04:27 PM
1. The CIA thing seems good to me - they need more field agents (and Bush was even critisized by the Democrats for not having enough field agents, which is one of the reasons that we did not catch 9/11).

2. That does not seem like a trend, just one bone-head customs agent.

segovius
06-02-2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by e1618978
1. The CIA thing seems good to me - they need more field agents.

I'm guessing you're not a University Graduate right ?

e1618978
06-02-2005, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by segovius
I'm guessing you're not a University Graduate right ?

Incorrect - I have a B.Sc. in Computer Science.

If you object to the CIA training field agents, then it seems to me that you are really objecting to the whole idea of the CIA.

segovius
06-02-2005, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by e1618978
Incorrect - I have a B.Sc. in Computer Science.

If you object to the CIA training field agents, then it seems to me that you are really objecting to the whole idea of the CIA.

I am objecting to them pretending to be academic students and taking the (limited) places of those who really are and generally utilising academia for their own ends under false pretenses.

e1618978
06-02-2005, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by segovius
I am objecting to them pretending to be academic students and taking the (limited) places of those who really are and generally utilising academia for their own ends under false pretenses.

I doubt that there is much demand for anthropology slots, and even if there were - the more students the better!

If the CIA sends through 1000 students per year, then that is a whole lot more money for anthropology departments. Think of all the professors that would pay for.

And when those professors were not teaching, they would be doing reasearch - the CIA could potentially have a dramatic impact on the quality and quanity of research in those departments!

segovius
06-02-2005, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by e1618978
I doubt that there is much demand for anthropology slots, and even if there were - the more students the better!

If the CIA sends through 1000 students per year, then that is a whole lot more money for anthropology departments. Think of all the professors that would pay for.

And when those professors were not teaching, they would be doing reasearch - the CIA could potentially have a dramatic impact on the quality and quanity of research in those departments!

That's for sure - in the middle east focussed ones there would be far fewer Muslims to study in their natural habitat and less work trying to understand such barbaric cultures.

I can certainly see why some people think it's a good idea. And if it was confined to US universities the adverse effect on academic standards would have very little global effect....

e1618978
06-02-2005, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by segovius
That's for sure - in the middle east focussed ones there would be far fewer Muslims to study in their natural habitat and less work trying to understand such barbaric cultures.

I can certainly see why some people think it's a good idea. And if it was confined to US universities the adverse effect on academic standards would have very little global effect....

I think that you are streaching here - at the very least I have turned your "horrible evil" into a "concern for funding and student access".

pfflam
06-02-2005, 10:26 PM
There is actually a side benefit that the FBI might have a little bit of the discourse of Anthropolgy injected in nto its rather hermetic culture: you know, that whole recognition of the difficulties of methodology and the pretense towards the 'objective', sovereign perspective of interpreter being questioned . . . if such rigours of thought were to be interjected into the climate of the CIA they could only expand their mind-set in a genuinly good way . . .

but that's just one point . . .I'll let the whole juedgement pass for now . . .

pfflam
06-02-2005, 10:28 PM
Kinda makes me want to go back and get my PHD in Anthropoly . . . I'd write about the culture of the contemporary CIA

segovius
06-20-2005, 07:53 AM
Oh well, it's still June - looks like there's some fascism that needs watching (http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/June05/190605_army.html) in the UK.

Quite a lot of it actually.

n an attempt to crack down on alcohol-fuelled disorder, dozens of towns around the country will draft in military police to help civilian officers arrest drunken yobs, the Sunday Telegraph newspaper said.

Home secretary Charles Clarke has ordered the initiative following an experiment at a town in Hertfordshire, southern England, where military police were used to patrol the streets late at night.

"We do not expect hundreds of troops on the streets, but we think the very presence of troops will deter bad behaviour," a ministry of defence official told the paper.

We do not "expect" hundreds of troops on the streets :lol:

Get out while you still can - she's going down......

Harald
06-20-2005, 03:00 PM
Oh SHIT.

Military police on the streets to enforce order and 'respect'?

Hear me loud: Chirac was RIGHT.

MACchine
06-20-2005, 05:27 PM
YOU ARE RIGHT we NEEEEED to make all these CIA operatives public so the liberal students know who to shoot at !!!


Well, or if there are no courageous souls at least the LIBERAL professors will know who to FLUNK. Are there ANY CONSERVATIVE professors at USA universities ??? :no:

Wouldn't it be cool if a law was passed requiring the CIA to name their UNDERCOVER STUDENTS and then instead of naming the actual students the CIA named THOSE MOST LIBERAL STUDENTS AS THEIR OWN INSTEAD !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:





Why is it that liberals never want to pass laws that have any PRACTICAL chance of proper enforcement.

Could it be that they PRAY to THE BIG GOVERNMENT GOD to fulfill their EVERY wishes and desires.

LIBERALISMS IS A MENTAL DISEASE !!!

Gene Clean
06-20-2005, 05:50 PM
Go Away. Please.

Hassan i Sabbah
06-20-2005, 06:25 PM
I miss Scott.

Hassan i Sabbah
06-20-2005, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by segovius

We do not "expect" hundreds of troops on the streets :lol:

Get out while you still can - she's going down......
Nothing new. I remember Military Police patrolling the club district of Plymouth to prevent the Saturday Bloodbath when I was growing up.

segovius
06-21-2005, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Nothing new. I remember Military Police patrolling the club district of Plymouth to prevent the Saturday Bloodbath when I was growing up.

Somehow that doesn't put my mind at ease....

Hassan i Sabbah
06-21-2005, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by segovius
Somehow that doesn't put my mind at ease....
Hey, I'm just trying to be positive.

Let's cut Tony some slack.

He's the best alien fascist Prime Minister Europe's ever known.