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segovius
06-03-2005, 03:23 AM
Iraq War Update (http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/52163)

US occupation forces announced on their propaganda radio beamed at local residents of ar-Ramadi that the US military would stop raiding houses and mosques, would open roads to local people and turn the electricity and drinking water supply in the city back on if local residents would cooperate by informing the American occupation troops of the locations and bases of Iraqi Resistance fighters operating in the city against the Americans.

The statement on the US radio said that the US would launch a program for employing unemployed youths and offer financial help for those wanting to get married on condition that the men and women of ar-Ramadi cooperate and inform the Americans on the Resistance fighters.

The correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam reported that the Americans made the announcement more than six times by the time he filed his report (posted at 10:22am Mecca time Wednesday morning). The US propaganda station also jammed other local and international radio stations to force listeners in their cars or homes to hear their announcement.

The statement told residents that they could dial the special local telephone number 104 to contact the occupation troops – whom they called “the coalition forces” – to inform them of the whereabouts of Resistance fighters, whom it called “terrorists.”

At the same time, however, the American propaganda radio warned that the people of ar-Ramadi would meet a fate similar to that of the residents of al-Fallujah together with all the destruction inflicted on their city during the US offensives there, if they failed to cooperate with the Americans.


This is a war crime under the Geneva convention - it falls under the category of collective punishment.

Other points of note: it proves that the US are actually responsible for the removal of electricity - or, at the very least that they could turn it back on if they wish.

In the two years of the occupation there has been a one percent increase in electricity services and now the vast majority of homes in Iraq are without power for more than 50% of the time.

Also note that a few days ago the Iraqi government announced that it may decrease subsidies for fuel and electricity, despite a severe shortage of both in the country, according to the electricity minister who warned Iraqis to prepare for more blackouts this summer.

Another point of interest in the US threats above is the offer of jobs - unemployment is at 50% now in Iraq and this 'offer' clearly shows this is a manufactured situation that could be alleviated.

One last point: the threat of reprisals 'like Fallujah' with it's chilling wehrmacht undertones - this is also a war crime of collective punishment and possibly worse since, exactly as in Fallujah, there were no 'terrorists' there and both threats and the subsequent killings were carried out against an unarmed civilian population.

Aurora
06-03-2005, 07:10 AM
No Terrorists in Fullajah? now thats interesting.
Whats the point of making Power if some radical crazy jihad wannabee bomber comes in and blows it up? Fact is these people have to take a interest in strangers and unknowns that are coming into the town and destroying people,property and power stations.
Its a good idea to FORCE these people to take interest in their unknown brothers of Jihad Hate.

You cant restore basic services while everyday being shot,bombed and killed. Once you can stop that then you can move forward with Power,Water etc. Its up to the Iraqi's Segovius.

segovius
06-03-2005, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Aurora
No Terrorists in Fullajah? now thats interesting.
Whats the point of making Power if some radical crazy jihad wannabee bomber comes in and blows it up? Fact is these people have to take a interest in strangers and unknowns that are coming into the town and destroying people,property and power stations.
Its a good idea to FORCE these people to take interest in their unknown brothers of Jihad Hate.

You cant restore basic services while everyday being shot,bombed and killed. Once you can stop that then you can move forward with Power,Water etc. Its up to the Iraqi's Segovius.

If there were 'terrorists' in Fallujah then they must have escaped - which would be more ineptitude on behalf of the US.

If you remember, the Fallujah operation was to be the 'final solution'. In fact it did nothing at all.

Unless you count killing thousands of innocent civilians including women and kids as something.

Aurora
06-03-2005, 07:30 AM
Thats because the clowns running this operation gave them months notice before going in,I mean come on the only thing they didnt tell them was the date! Anyways you cant restore the basics while still at war with these people who go after any Soft target. It will be up to the Iraqi's in the end to stand up for their country and stop these guys.

segovius
06-03-2005, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Aurora
Thats because the clowns running this operation gave them months notice before going in,I mean come on the only thing they didnt tell them was the date! Anyways you cant restore the basics while still at war with these people who go after any Soft target. It will be up to the Iraqi's in the end to stand up for their country and stop these guys.

That's true but right now the US is ensuring that the ordinary Iraqi is siding with the insurgents rather than themselves - if only passively.

Imo, this policy is deliberate - I used to think the US actually meant well but had, as you say, clowns in charge of the key operations. Now I think the evidence that a divide and conquer policy specifically designed to cause as much chaos as possible is in place and probably has been all along.

The 'clown' thing is just a clever mask for the real agenda.

No-one is that stupid - and certainly not the US.

Anders
06-03-2005, 07:36 AM
That russian site doesn´t sound like a objective source so please prove to me that the real message wasn´t "We know you doesn´t like us searching your houses. If noone committed terrorist acts we would not have to search houses for the terrorists. And by turning in terrorists you would help us diminishing terroristic acts. And we know you hate not having electricity and we want to rebuild the infrastructure. But right now we are bugged down by the terrorists. If terrorists acts stopped we would be able to help you rebuild the infrastructure and you can help us stop terrorists by..." aso aso aso.

Aurora
06-03-2005, 07:38 AM
I think it again had to do with freaking politics of the region remember? But its true the administration in its piss pot poor execution of this war is causing many to hate us and its only going to make it harder.

Tulkas
06-03-2005, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by segovius
Iraq War Update (http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/52163)

US occupation forces announced on their propaganda radio beamed at local residents of ar-Ramadi that the US military would stop raiding houses and mosques, would open roads to local people and turn the electricity and drinking water supply in the city back on if local residents would cooperate by informing the American occupation troops of the locations and bases of Iraqi Resistance fighters operating in the city against the Americans.

"...once the shooting stops, we can turn on the electricity and water. No point if they are just going to get blown up gain. So, perhaps it is in you own interests to help us out..."
Originally posted by segovius

The statement on the US radio said that the US would launch a program for employing unemployed youths and offer financial help for those wanting to get married on condition that the men and women of ar-Ramadi cooperate and inform the Americans on the Resistance fighters.

"...We'd even be willing to hire some of you, as sort of a make work project..again, rather pointless if working for us will get you shot...perhaps it is in you own interests to help us out..."
Originally posted by segovius

The correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam reported that the Americans made the announcement more than six times by the time he filed his report (posted at 10:22am Mecca time Wednesday morning). The US propaganda station also jammed other local and international radio stations to force listeners in their cars or homes to hear their announcement.

wow...US propaganda radio during a conflict...that's almost as surprising and disturbing as the US using spies in universities :no:

Originally posted by segovius

The statement told residents that they could dial the special local telephone number 104 to contact the occupation troops – whom they called “the coalition forces” – to inform them of the whereabouts of Resistance fighters, whom it called “terrorists.”

No bias here.....

Originally posted by segovius

At the same time, however, the American propaganda radio warned that the people of ar-Ramadi would meet a fate similar to that of the residents of al-Fallujah together with all the destruction inflicted on their city during the US offensives there, if they failed to cooperate with the Americans.

"...If it comes to a ptched battle in your city, that no good for anyone...perhaps it is in you own interests to help us out..."


Originally posted by segovius
This is a war crime under the Geneva convention - it falls under the category of collective punishment.

That's a stretch

Originally posted by segovius
Other points of note: it proves that the US are actually responsible for the removal of electricity - or, at the very least that they could turn it back on if they wish.

Or it proves that are capable of turning it on, which is entirely pointless s it would be blown up again...bastards!

Originally posted by segovius
Another point of interest in the US threats above is the offer of jobs - unemployment is at 50% now in Iraq and this 'offer' clearly shows this is a manufactured situation that could be alleviated.

The 'threat' is an 'offer of jobs'? Some threat. I wonder if my boss might threaten me with a pay raise...bastards!!

Originally posted by segovius
One last point: the threat of reprisals 'like Fallujah' with it's chilling wehrmacht undertones - this is also a war crime of collective punishment and possibly worse since, exactly as in Fallujah, there were no 'terrorists' there and both threats and the subsequent killings were carried out against an unarmed civilian population.
Of course there were no terrorists there. There were only Resistance fighters. If you call them something else, then they must not exist.

There was no threat of collective punishment. There was the warning that the US may be forced to take action against what it perceives as a threat in the area. Then an offer is made of 'you scratch our back, we'll scratch yours' or 'hey people, if the fighting stops, then the fighting stops', cuz you know, some people might prefer the fighting to stop.