Michael Jackson - Not Guilty On All Counts

[audiopollution]

Well, I don't know what to say.

I'm 90% surprised.

What next for MJ? I suppose it's time to close up Neverland, get some money together, and try to live normally. :\

[hmurchison]

I didn't follow the case. I'll I have to say is


"Heeee Heeeee" "Shumon" "Who's baaaaaad"

[Aurora]

How many more kids? this makes what 3 or more we know of??? Lawyers $$$$$$ and a sytem wanting nothing more then the appearence of justice. Do Millionaires ever do the time? not very often because its about $$$$$ Multi High Dollar lawyers vs.......the town lawyer who is overworked,underpaid,.....few more adjectives. Jury was wrong, I guess a Wacko doesnt rule over a Jacko.:grumble:

[hmurchison]

Typically it's hard to get convictions on public figures like Jackson or Simpson or "insert once famous person here". They have the money for adequate legal counsel and that generally results in a leveling of the playing field and a loss for the prosecutor.

I don't know if Jackson was guilty or being manipulated but I think the man needs help in many aspects of his life and I want to see him get that help and avoid contact with children.

"you been hit by, you been struck by...a smooth criminal"

[His Dudeness]

He's been ACCUSED in the past, not been FOUND GUILTY in the past. Let's try to remember that.

[e1618978]

Originally posted by Aurora
How many more kids? this makes what 3 or more we know of??? Lawyers $$$$$$ and a sytem wanting nothing more then the appearence of justice. Do Millionaires ever do the time? not very often because its about $$$$$ Multi High Dollar lawyers vs.......the town lawyer who is overworked,underpaid,.....few more adjectives. Jury was wrong, I guess a Wacko doesnt rule over a Jacko.:grumble:

Michael Jackson needs to liquidate his holdings, fire his staff, pay off his debt, and hide out in Costa Rica or something.

At the rate he is going, he will end up either bankrupt or in jail eventually. In fact, if he goes bankrupt, he wont be able to afford the lawyers anymore, so things will work out in the end.

[SpcMs]

Given the evidence, justice was served. Otherwise, nothing but victims in this case.

[MiMac]

Innocent or not... that man is still one crazy MF :err: The damage to his "career" is surely irreparable.

Mike, I hear they're hiring down at McDonalds......

[audiopollution]

I see a career in Vegas. His time for releasing 'popular music' was finished years ago.

Sideshow, or main stage - I'm not sure where he's better suited.

[ragingloogie]

Originally posted by audiopollution
Well, I don't know what to say.

I'm 90% surprised.

What next for MJ? I suppose it's time to close up Neverland, get some money together, and try to live normally. :\


he has no money.. he's about 200million $ in debt i think i heard on the news friday? so he'll have to close it up, unless he can come up w/ that money to get out of debt, then the extra to maintain that...

[Aries 1B]

The jury is giving an interview on Fox News.

Saturday Night Live is going to/should have a field day with this.


V/R,

Aries 1B

[rok]

well, someone made a good point that, even though michael jackson is "bankrupt" (or well into debt), the man can still hold a quick concert or tour and raise a ridiculous amount of money. the guy still draws.

i have no idea of the evidence in the case, so i have to assume the jury gave the best verdict they could, but i just don't see how anyone with so much fame/notoriety can get a totally unbiased jury.

and hey, don't knock smooth criminal, man. that's still one of my all time favorite songs... ;)

[Chris Cuilla]

Originally posted by audiopollution
Well, I don't know what to say.

I'm 90% surprised.

What next for MJ? I suppose it's time to close up Neverland, get some money together, and try to live normally. :\

I'm not surprised at all. Saddened and disappointed (a little)...but mostly in the apparently incompetent prosecutors.

I followed the case...a bit...they tried the "guilt by implication" approach. It failed. This is good from a legal/justice perspective (I get nervous when I see people get convicted on very weak prosecutorial cases)...bad because Jacko probably did do all of those things (or a lot of them anyway). Of course there is eternal justice.

One can only hope that he got enough of the crap scared out of him to stop doing what he's doing...and parents...yeah...you morons that let your kids sleep with a 40 year old man...WAKE UP! Stop doing that! Eliminate the "supply". Duh!

P.S. I actually feel (a little) badly for MJ. Somebody screwed him up good...probably as a boy. Somebody messed up his head pretty badly. I think we're seeing the results of that. I'm not saying he isn't responsible for his own actions. He is. He can get help and all that. But he probably starts out further back than most with whatever someone did to him. And now he appears to be propagating that to even more kids.

[Omega]

Originally posted by ragingloogie
he has no money.. he's about 200million $ in debt i think i heard on the news friday? so he'll have to close it up, unless he can come up w/ that money to get out of debt, then the extra to maintain that...

Celebrity fight with Iron Mike Tyson?

:lol:

[Ferali]

hmm... sounds like another OJ to me

[Chris Cuilla]

Originally posted by ShawnJ
OH... you evaluated the evidence just like the jury. I can tell from how often you hyper-enunciate certain words.

Who are you talking too and what do you mean?

[Mac The Fork]

I'm celebrating with a glass of the finest Jesus Juice.

[hardhead]

M.T.F., heh, good one...

Let us all celebrate this occasion. From this day forward, it's OK for a grown freak, err, MAN, 42 years old, to sleep with 12 year old boys after they've had their Jesus Juice... Hip hip hooray!

Michael we love (sounds of screaming fans inserted here...) you...

[tonton]

Originally posted by audiopollution
What next for MJ? I suppose it's time to close up Neverland, get some money together, and try to live normally. :\

Maybe he'll settle down and get married, have a kid... oh yeah. Already tried that. And I didn't intent any double entendre there. I meant fathering a child! Jeez... what were you guys thinking!!!?

;)

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by Mac The Fork
I'm celebrating with a glass of the finest Jesus Juice.

oh GOD damn, this is the funniest thing I've read in months. :lol:

[hmurchison]

You peoples blasphemy will NOT be tolerated!



suckers :p

[johnrp]

TRAVE$$$$$$$$$$$$TY

If it was any of us were even "accused" of what he has been we would more than likely be behind bars right now, especially if the press had got hold of the story.

Just goes to show its the green that gets the celebrity off.

j.

[reg]

I didn't follow it but thought that he would get off from the start. I blame the parents for putting their kid in the situation in the first place. I still don't know how anyone can be on a jury for such a long time. I have had jury duty 5 times with the longest trial being 2 weeks. Asking a group of people to change their lives for several months to listen to this is wrong. The justice system has to change. The grand juries need to throw out suits that are not strong enough to have a reasonable chance of conviction. The right to have your day in court is one thing, to stay there several months is another.

reg

[gregmightdothat]

Originally posted by johnrp
TRAVE$$$$$$$$$$$$TY

If it was any of us were even "accused" of what he has been we would more than likely be behind bars right now, especially if the press had got hold of the story.

Just goes to show its the green that gets the celebrity off.

j.

This is true, though I blame our criminal justice system rather than money for this. That said, this was all about cfharacter and Michael Jackson is hella creepy... if this thing weren't so blatantly contrived no amount of money would've saved his ass.

[ragingloogie]

Originally posted by Omega
Celebrity fight with Iron Mike Tyson?

:lol:

there ya god :lol: i would go to that fight:)

[ragingloogie]

Originally posted by tonton
Maybe he'll settle down and get married, have a kid... oh yeah. Already tried that. And I didn't intent any double entendre there. I meant fathering a child! Jeez... what were you guys thinking!!!?

;)

i was going to say.. didnt he have a kid at one point/still does??? thought he tried marriage once also;)

[Xool]

"That's just ignorance... ignorance..."

Personally I thought he was up shit creek, but I guess with MJ's stature the jury wanted to see a photo of a kids cock in his mouth before they'd convict him.

[AquaMac]

I can't believe anyone would let MJ sleep with there child in the first place.

[ragingloogie]

Originally posted by AquaMac
I can't believe anyone would let MJ sleep with there child in the first place.

yea, but this is the US.. and theres a lot of crud that happens here...

[ragingloogie]

Originally posted by Xool
"That's just ignorance... ignorance..."

Personally I thought he was up shit creek, but I guess with MJ's stature the jury wanted to see a photo of a kids cock in his mouth before they'd convict him.

everyone knows that he mulested childrend, or prolly did.. however, there wasnt really any "hard core" evidence for him to be convicted... despite the fact everyone knows he did... so.. thats where he got let loose.. there wasnt any supstantial evidence.. as the fellow that the quote is from pointed out...

[SpcMs]

Actually, I think many juries (including this one) would have convicted him given the rather shocking testimony of the boy. Only problem, part of it was fantasy, part of it was so unlikely that it was almost impossible to be true, and the rest of it was overshadowed by that crazy mother of his. So even though the kid sounded credible on his own, there was no evidence to back his claims up, and lots of evidence to refute them. So, as far as i can tell, not guilty is not only the 'correct' verdict, but also the just verdict in this case.

[Res]

I only loosely followed the case, but I am not surprised that he was found innocent -- they never had any solid evidence against him.

[iMac David]

Chris C

please tell us all, on what basis do you think that 'he probably did do all those things'? Because he's been accused?

Because a kid with a crazy lying money grabbing mother made an accusation? (I'm not talking about the MJ case here, but her divorce and claim against the department store).

Why is it so difficult to believe that a jury listened to the eveidence, weighed it up, and decided that there was nothing to prove beyond all resonable doubt?

And please, this case has zero to do with OJ. OJ got off primarily because the police planted evidence to make sure a guy they knew to be guilty would be convicted. And frankly, I'd prefer a guilty man to go free than for police to think that it's OK to plant evidence if they are sure of a man's guilt.

MJ is a loon, no doubt. From what I have read about his childhood, his 'marriages', his children, it seems to me s*x is just not on his radar screen. As such, I can believe him when he says he just sleeps, and doesn't touch. Several people testified to that effect.

And to think I'm not even particularly a fan!

David

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by Xool
"...Personally I thought he was up shit creek, but I guess with MJ's stature the jury wanted to see a photo of a kids cock in his mouth [or vice versa] before they'd convict him.

:err: that is like so funny but so wrong :lol: :err: :lol: :lol: :err:

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by iMac David
......
MJ is a loon, no doubt. From what I have read about his childhood, his 'marriages', his children, it seems to me s*x is just not on his radar screen. As such, I can believe him when he says he just sleeps, and doesn't touch. Several people testified to that effect.
......

mmm well the truth is out there, but certainly MJ has a different set of ethics than most of us. edit: he probably has a very different concept of sex than most of us...

well, at one time, gays and lesbians were thought to have a psychological pathology, and needed to be treated for it... :\

[Chris Cuilla]

Originally posted by iMac David
Chris C

please tell us all, on what basis do you think that 'he probably did do all those things'? Because he's been accused?

Because a kid with a crazy lying money grabbing mother made an accusation?

Nope.

Originally posted by iMac David
Why is it so difficult to believe that a jury listened to the eveidence, weighed it up, and decided that there was nothing to prove beyond all resonable doubt?

This is obviously what happened. But it doesn't also mean (as some erroneously think/state) that it means he has been "proven innocent".

[iMac David]

Chris,

My guess was wrong - you don't think that "he probably did it" because he accused MJ.

So why do you think he he is guilty?

Regards,

David

PS in the eyes of the law he has been proven innocent - I don't think there's a verdict of 'possibly guilty but we're not sure so we'll let him off'.

[Chris Cuilla]

Originally posted by iMac David
So why do you think he he is guilty?

Well...there was a lot of circumstantial evidence (the abundance of pornography in his home for one) and he's admitted sleeping with (some) boys in his bed. Also, he'd been accused in the past and settled (for a VERY large some of money..$25M I think) out of court. These things combined fit into the "if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck" category to me. No "smoking gun" so to speak. But enough to raise some eyebrows.

Additionally just because "mom" lied about somethings and may have tried to extort some $ from him doesn't necessarily mean there is no truth at all to the accusations.

Originally posted by iMac David
PS in the eyes of the law he has been proven innocent - I don't think there's a verdict of 'possibly guilty but we're not sure so we'll let him off'.

He has been found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is subtly different...true he cannot be charged again with this same crime. But it also may only mean that the prosecutors did a poor job proving the case (perhaps because of poor evidence and witnesses). In other words, it only means he wasn't proven guilty...not that actually isn't guilty. He may very well be.

[MiMac]

Ya know, the thing is (considering the American justice system), if he had been a black man he would have got life or the chair!

:p sorry, couldn't resist...

...but on a serious note, does anyone not consider it strange that MJ only allowed BOYS to stay overnight? As I recall, not one girl/female (besides his "wives", which is also questionable) has shared his bed. Why the preference? Does this not convey a sense that something is not quite right here?

Speculate...

[SpcMs]

Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
In other words, it only means he wasn't proven guilty...not that actually isn't guilty. He may very well be.
I guess you're right, but in the same way in the eyes of the law you weren't proven guilty of shooting Kennedy, but you very well may be.
I realize the guy engages in some twisted activities, but on the other hand he has been hanging around with young boys - and chimps since the early 80ies. Somehow I have the feeling people are more eager to take offence since his popularity started to diminish. Besides, of all the boys he spent the night with, only two were at this trial to confront him. A repressed memory case from 1990 who got a big paycheck in '93, and today's accuser. All others refused to testify or testified in favor of him. Even the current boy said nothing happened until the very last week at Neverland, at the most unlikely of times given the circumstances. I don't know, maybe I have too much fate in people.

[Chris Cuilla]

Originally posted by SpcMs
I guess you're right, but in the same way in the eyes of the law you weren't proven guilty of shooting Kennedy, but you very well may be.

You are quite right. Of course there isn't much in the way of evidence to even suggest such a thing. For one, I have never been to Dallas, TX in my entire life...which didn't begin until 1968. ;)

I'm not saying that he DID...I just THINK there is a better than 50% chance (from everything I can see). Maybe he is the naive, unwitting victim of nefarious do-badders. At the very least he ought to be convicted of stupidity for putting himself into an accusable position (sleeping with young boys? C'mon!) Of course the parents here deserve a smack upside the head too.