Hani Hanjour

[segovius]

More anomalies concerned with the alleged 911 hijackers are starting to emerge. Perhaps the most significant centre around Hani Hanjour - the pilot of Flight 77 which hit the Pentagon (the most skilled job of all the 911 missions) and whose instructors at flight school variously labeled him as 'one of the worst students ever' and someone who would have had great difficulty 'learning to fly a kite'.

Here is Hanjour boarding Fl77 at Dulles on 9/11/2001:

http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2004-07/13512460.jpg

And here is the same man (allegedly) from the FBI website:

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/hanjour1.jpg

This is him again on the left:

http://home.online.no/~naslakse/USAterror/Bilder/US-ATTACKS-HIJACKERS-_7992a.jpg

And here he is again in yet another guise:

http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/01/09/27/hijackers/hanjour.jpg

The problems with this being the same person in all these government released pictures are obvious and have been known for some time. However, it seems that additional complications have arisen.

911 researcher Allan Wood has found that Hanjour's name was not on the original list of hijackers released on 14th Sept (http://www.team8plus.org/forum_viewtopic.php?6.247.#247).

This list detailed 18 suspects only (rather than the later 19) and on the statement of hijackers for Flight 77 Hanjour was not only absent but the pilot was instead listed as one Mosear Caned.

The list was recently discovered on the net but was originally posted by CNN on the 14th September 2001. A few hours later the hijackers were expanded to 19 and Caned's name was dropped and replaced in the official FBI version with Hanjour's - the pilot who couldn't fly.

Why ?

More discussion on this issue (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=42650&mesg_id=42650)

[rageous]

well I'm not really going to address if it's the same guy in all the pics, because I don't want to look that intently at them right now.

But I do wonder this:

Is it really so hard to believe how mistakes might have been made with that original list of hijackers, given that it came out a mere 3 days after the attacks? I mean everything was obviously highly chaotic. It stands to reasons errors may have been made in the early stages and there's no underlying uberconspiracy behind it.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Looks like the same guy to me

[segovius]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Looks like the same guy to me

The three last ones maybe but #1 has no receding hairline and his face is not as gaunt or thin as the other. In fact he is bigger built all together.

[hardeeharhar]

Not really...

I agree with Hassan...

[rageous]

Besides, you aren't going to get a great idea of the actual physical characteristics of a guy standing well below an elevated camera with a fish eye lens. It distorts everything.

I'd be skepitcal of ANYONE claiming with certainty they can identify this person as being or not being the subject in question. I'm going to go ahead and guess the G has a little more info on this individual than a grainy low res fisheyed lens photo from one security camera.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

The real question now becomes, what REALLY happened to this fellow? Because as we all know it was actually a truck bomb, er I mean a missle, er I mean.... well anyway, we all know it wasn't a plane at all the hit the Pentagon.

[groverat]

The last 3 I have no doubt are the same guy. The first one, horrible quality and horrible angle. Could be the same guy + 10 or 15lbs.

[Moe_in_Texas]

Clearly a plot by the Bush administration.

[segovius]

Originally posted by groverat
The last 3 I have no doubt are the same guy. The first one, horrible quality and horrible angle. Could be the same guy + 10 or 15lbs.

I agree.

The thing about this is that I do find many questions around 911 perplexing. I find it very difficult to believe in a conspiracy, there just seems so much against it but something is wrong and I'd like to get it straight for my own satisfaction.

I have read a lot about these events from all angles and many things just don't add up - I can't make a joke out of it like some, waffle on about tin-hats etc and convince myself there is no problem.

For example, we now know that Hanjour was not originally claimed to be on the flight and 'Caned' was originally stated to be the pilot.

Ok, fair enough, and according to this Washington Post article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/hijackers.html) Hanjour did not have a ticket and that was why his name was not on the flight manifest.

Hani Hanjour obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999 from the Federal Aviation Administration. The license expired six months later because he failed to complete a required medical exam. In 1996, he received flight training for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., but did not finish the course because his instructors thought he was not proficient enough. He listed his address as a post office box in Taife, Saudi Arabia, but he also has been linked to addresses in San Diego and Hollywood, Fla. His name was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket.

But then, this CNN piece (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/02/27/inv.fake.id.arrests/) says that he bought a ticket showing his driving licence:

Hanjour presented his Virginia driver's license when he purchased his plane ticket on August 31 from a New Jersey travel agent.

So you see the problems:

If he bought a ticket then why wasn't his name on the manifest ?

And why did the WP article claim he had no ticket ?

Oth, if he had no ticket then how did they know he was on the plane ? They never found his passport in a miraculous manner.

And who is 'Mosear Caned' ?

Where did they get his name and what info made them (rightly or wrongly) replace him with Hanjour ?

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by segovius
And who is 'Mosear Caned' ?

Where did they get his name and what info made them (rightly or wrongly) replace him with Hanjour ? Obviously, "Mosear Caned" was another name for Dick Cheney who boarded that flight to give the final go-ahead and provide some last minute instructions to the ground crew planting the bombs in the basement of the WTC, just before stashing the body of Hani Hanjour in a cargo area - a poorly recruited agent for the CIA - and exiting just before take-off. He then went to a meeting with fellow oil and big-business contacts to plan the future invasion of France.

Did I leave anything out? I think that should cover it.

:rolleyes: :lol:

[rageous]

Well I think those questions he asked that you quoted are reasonable questions. They didn't sound conspiratorial.

[Harald]

Naples, out of interest, do you believe they found one the hijacker's passport in the rubble of the Twin Towers?

Assuming you're not a fucking loony, why do you think they lied to us about this?

Just interested.

[NaplesX]

Originally posted by Harald
Naples, out of interest, do you believe they found one the hijacker's passport in the rubble of the Twin Towers?

Assuming you're not a fucking loony, why do you think they lied to us about this?

Just interested. I don't know if anyone lied and either do you. They could have found a passport in the rubble, they probably found many.

Who's to say it wasn't just a mistake as humans tend to make? Who's to say that they provided the best info they had and updated it as new info came to light?

Sego loves to make mountains of molehills. The change can easily, believably and convincingly be explained. Everything doesn't need to be a conspiracy.

[sammi jo]

Originally posted by segovius
I agree.

The thing about this is that I do find many questions around 911 perplexing. I find it very difficult to believe in a conspiracy, there just seems so much against it but something is wrong and I'd like to get it straight for my own satisfaction.



Difficult to acknowledge a conspiracy? I guess you mean that you reckon the entire operation was planned and excuted by one person only?

Of course it was a conspiracy. The question is "who were the conspirators"? One conspiracy theory, is that Osama bin Laden, in a cave in Afghanistan with a cellphone, together with 19 Arabs, singlehandedly rendered the entire multi-trillion dollar US defense and security infrastructure useless.

The other conspiracy theory is that it was executed by other parties.

The official theory has hundreds of inconsistencies, absurdities, impossibilities, unlikelihoods and coincidences. I won't list them all, but one that is 100% factual, but completely unreported by the media is the case of former Clinton impeachment lawyer David Schippers. He was contacted by 3 FBI agents some 6 weeks prior to the attacks, who were repeatedly rebuffed by their superiors. These agents told him the exact details of the attacks..the date, the times, the places, the methods, and the airlines involved. They also said that the details ofc the forthcoming attacks were circulated widely throughout the agency John Ashcroft refused to answer his emails and phonecalls, and Schippers was eventually threatened with prosecution under the National Security Act if he went public with this information.

Then there is the matter of the extraordinary glut of "put options" on American and United Airlines stock prior to the attacks. The identities of the parties who placed these bets is classified. Why?

Then there's the problem of Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, who publicly slipped up on a PBS show when he said that he ordered WTC #7 to be "pulled". It taked weeks to set charges to implode a 47 story building. That structure was dropped in the most professional fashion imaginable. Watch the videos.

And for those who still think that the WTC towers and #7 collapsed due to fire, the testimony of the firefighters on the uppermost floors of the towers all said that the fires were virtually out. The jet fuel all burned off in minutes, and most of it was consumed in the initial fireballs. Never in the history of steel framed buildings has one collapsed due to a fire, especially low temperature, dirty inefficient hydrocarbon fires that were choking due to lack of oxygen, like the ones in the towers. For a real skycraper fire, that 450 foot tower in Madrid is the benchmark. It burned for over 24 hours, from basement to top floor, at a far higher intensity than the WTC towers. It did not collapse, as one would expect. It is now being dismantled by crane, story by story. Incidentally, Scientific American described the WTC towers as "some of the most robust high rise buildings ever constructed".

Thats 3 problems out of at least 450 equally strange, or even more disturbing and damning as regards the official version.

We have the official version, a wacky conspiracy theory, which only exists because the media, the Pentagon and the administration closed ranks and prevented the facts from emerging, or an alternative conspiracy theory involving unknown agencies and parties, which is currently evolving.

:mad:

[Anders]

Yeah you are right. Evolution is just a theory.

[Harald]

Originally posted by NaplesX
I don't know if anyone lied and either do you. They could have found a passport in the rubble, they probably found many.

Naples, everything in the planes were vapourised. Not one recognisable screw from the planes was recovered. That would have been utterly ludicrous. No passports from the planes could have survived. None were found. Except ... one.

This is one of those difficult instances where it's impossible to argue with you (like "the war in Iraq has made the world safer") where the evidence is just so staggeringy compelling but your faith makes you say impossible things.

[segovius]

Originally posted by sammi jo
Difficult to acknowledge a conspiracy? I guess you mean that you reckon the entire operation was planned and excuted by [b]one person only?[/b

No, I meant 'conspiracy' in the terms that non-thinkers would want to use it to sweep matters under the carpet - ie, a term replete with 'tin-foil hat' imagery and generally used as a stand in for ridiculous beliefs.

What we are talking about here are facts that don't add up.

[segovius]

Listen, I think this Caned business is very, very significant - more so than we realise. It may even be a smoking gun.

I have found something that could well be very interesting. Check this out (http://prisonplanet.com/cia_learned_of_moussaoui_under_alias.htm) - it is about the so-called '20th hijacker' Zacharias Massaoui.

Read this statement very carefully:

The CIA was alerted to Zacarias Moussaoui in April 2001 by an informant who knew the Frenchman only by an alias and the agency didn't link the two names until well after Sept. 11, government officials say.

So get this straight: the CIA was alerted to Massaoui (relating to which activities we do not know) in the April before 911 but under another name.

In December 2001 Massaoui was indicted and his aliases listed. One of these was Abu Khalid al Sahrawi but this was not the alias he used on the occasion he came to CIA attention prior to the attacks:

Officials familiar with the intelligence said the alias provided by the informant was somewhat similar to one of the aliases listed for Moussaoui in his December 2001 indictment – Abu Khalid al Sahrawi.

One official said the alias provided by the intelligence source was similar to Abu Khalid, but that the rest of the name was different. The official declined to provide the full name or be more specific.

It was similar to Abu Khalid but unlike all the other aliases he had, they refused to divulge what it was. Moreover it was the Khaled part that was similar and the 'al Sahrawi' didn't feature - something else did.

See where I'm going with this ?

The original list and the transcription of 'Moser Caned' was phonetic. Transcribed by a western speaker and transliterated. Moser Caned is not an Arabic name or even a real name. It is a phonetic transcription of an Arabic name.

Khaled = Caned

Massaoui = Moser

The name 'Massaoui, Khaned' was on the original release of the hijackers.

That means they knew Massaoui was meant to be on the planes beforehand.

Only he didn't make it.

So they had to pull his name when they found out he was still alive - and they replaced it with another: Hani Hanjour.

[Gilsch]

Originally posted by groverat
The last 3 I have no doubt are the same guy. The first one, horrible quality and horrible angle. Could be the same guy + 10 or 15lbs. Make that 30 pounds heavier.

It's not the same person. They obviously posted the wrong pic. ;)

[sammi jo]

Originally posted by NaplesX
[B]I don't know if anyone lied and either do you. They could have found a passport in the rubble, they probably found many.


Incidentally, according to the original American Airlines and United Airlines flight manifests, no persons with Arab names were on those flights. According to Robert Mueller, FBI Director, shortly after the attacks, (and I quote verbatim): "The identities of a number of the hijackers are in some doubt". He said this after he was informed that at least 3 of the alleged hijackers (whose mugshots are still on the FBI's website), were still alive. Since then, at least 6 of the alleged "hijackers" have been determined to be still alive, and some have been interviewed by elements of the European and Middle eastern media. Forget the destruction of passports by the fireball...they weren't there to start with.

That is kinda inconvenient (to say the least) for the official BS.

[segovius]

Originally posted by Gilsch
Make that 30 pounds heavier.

It's not the same person. They obviously posted the wrong pic. ;)

Btw - Hanjour is stated to be 5ft tall. I would say the stocky guy is about 5'8 plus.

[Harald]

Originally posted by segovius
Listen, I think this Caned business is very, very significant - more so than we realise. It may even be a smoking gun.

I have found something that could well be very interesting. Check this out (http://prisonplanet.com/cia_learned_of_moussaoui_under_alias.htm) - it is about the so-called '20th hijacker' Zacharias Massaoui.

Read this statement very carefully:



So get this straight: the CIA was alerted to Massaoui (relating to which activities we do not know) in the April before 911 but under another name.

In December 2001 Massaoui was indicted and his aliases listed. One of these was Abu Khalid al Sahrawi but this was not the alias he used on the occasion he came to CIA attention prior to the attacks:



It was similar to Abu Khalid but unlike all the other aliases he had, they refused to divulge what it was. Moreover it was the Khaled part that was similar and the 'al Sahrawi' didn't feature - something else did.

See where I'm going with this ?

The original list and the transcription of 'Moser Caned' was phonetic. Transcribed by a western speaker and transliterated. Moser Caned is not an Arabic name or even a real name. It is a phonetic transcription of an Arabic name.

Khaled = Caned

Massaoui = Moser

The name 'Massaoui, Khaned' was on the original release of the hijackers.

That means they knew Massaoui was meant to be on the planes beforehand.

Only he didn't make it.

So they had to pull his name when they found out he was still alive - and they replaced it with another: Hani Hanjour.

Shit a brick.

Run that past me again?

There was a release of the hijacker's name that included Khaned Massaoui?

Where did that name come from? I mean, what was the source that made them think there was a hijacker of that name, and when was the release made?

[segovius]

Originally posted by Harald
Shit a brick.

Run that past me again?

There was a release of the hijacker's name that included Khaned Massaoui?

Where did that name come from? I mean, what was the source that made them think there was a hijacker of that name, and when was the release made?

The source was CNN on 14th September 2001 that released the names of the hijackers - on Flight 77 they had the number of hijackers right (5) but listed a 'Moser Caned' as the pilot instead of Hani Hanjour.

A few hours later the list was updated by the FBI and 'Caned' was out and Hanjour in.

This has just been discovered on a CNN webpage and speculation is raging about the identity of 'Moser Caned'.

As the original CNN list was phonetic - ie transliterated by a reporter from being told by someone else vocally - 'Moser Caned' may be just an impression of another name. Certainly it is not an Arabic name if it exists at all.

It is supposition on my part that the original name was 'Massaoui Khaled' but if you said it to someone over a phone line they may well come up with 'Moser Caned'. it has to be something like that.

We know Massaoui was supposed to be on those planes and we know he used the alias 'Khaled'.

There is no other Arabic name that I know of that could stand in for 'Caned'. It is a very common name though.

[Harald]

Yes, I know plenty of Khaleds. The only possible way that name could be 'right' is if it is a phonetic spelling of an Arabic name. You are absolutley right.

So, 3 days after the atrocity, CNN had Massaoui on a plane. Only then, he wasn't. Fucking ... wow.

No bloody wonder he's been so weird at his trial.

However, might it be that they finally decided to follow up names of people that learned to fly in Florida? There are other explanations then 'CIA etc. had the names of the hijackers before the flight' right ... these names were unearthed AFTER 911 ... no?

[segovius]

Originally posted by Harald
Yes, I know plenty of Khaleds. The only possible way that name could be 'right' is if it is a phonetic spelling of an Arabic name. You are absolutley right.

So, 3 days after the atrocity, CNN had Massaoui on a plane. Only then, he wasn't. Fucking ... wow.

No bloody wonder he's been so weird at his trial.

However, might it be that they finally decided to follow up names of people that learned to fly in Florida? There are other explanations then 'CIA etc. had the names of the hijackers before the flight' right ... these names were unearthed AFTER 911 ... no?

This is the link (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/14/bn.01.html) to the original CNN transcript of Sept 14th 01.

You will see that there is a (ph) for phonetic after 'Mosear Caned' on the flight 77 list and of course, no Hanjour.

Which is doubly weird because we were told Hanjour bought a ticket with this driving licence as ID !

[Harald]

Pardon my stupidity, but I want to get this right.

Where are you saying that list came from (where did the CNN hack find it?)

Are there not other explanations?

[segovius]

Originally posted by Harald
Pardon my stupidity, but I want to get this right.

Where are you saying that list came from (where did the CNN hack find it?)

Are there not other explanations?

CNN didn't say where it came from specifically at the time and they certainly won't now but look at it like this:

they interrupted a very important live press conference by Giuliani to go live to their Washington correspondent who had just been provided with the list that she had been in DC waiting for.

I'd say it must have been an official source to do that.

[Harald]

OK, so it came from the Whitehouse / FBI / CIA / OSP / Tooth Fairy. Got it. Of course.

They thought Massaoui was on the flight.

So either:

1) He was supposed to be on the flight; they knew it in advance. He decided 'Sod that for a game of jihadis,' didn't get on, and they found out later and had to change the story.

or

2) They had four days to look at stuff the FBI had been saying out Florida fly-boys and put 2 and 2 together to make 5, (he was trained down south and they thought 'he must have been on the flight' and announced it without checking).

Right? No 'evidence' emerged to say he was on the plane, right, before they realised he wasn't?

[segovius]

Originally posted by Harald
OK, so it came from the Whitehouse / FBI / CIA / OSP / Tooth Fairy. Got it. Of course.

They thought Massaoui was on the flight.

So either:

1) He was supposed to be on the flight; they knew it in advance. He decided 'Sod that for a game of jihadis,' didn't get on, and they found out later and had to change the story.

or

2) They had four days to look at stuff the FBI had been saying out Florida fly-boys and put 2 and 2 together to make 5, (he was trained down south and they thought 'he must have been on the flight' and announced it without checking).

Right? No 'evidence' emerged to say he was on the plane, right, before they realised he wasn't?

It gets weirder - I've been digging around a bit and found this (http://english.people.com.cn/200109/13/eng20010913_80131.html) from Sept 13th - ie the day before the CNN 'Caned' name was released.

Check this out (I bolded the relevant bits):

Investigators have leads on four hijackers they believe commandeered the two airliners from Boston that destroyed the twin towers of the World Trade Center, CNN has learned.

Two of the men were brothers, apparently from Saudi Arabia, who had most recently been living in Florida and attended flight training school there.

Police and law enforcement sources said the two brothers suspected in the Boston hijackings were Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Abbas Bukhari, who up until recent days had lived in Vero Beach, Florida. Both of their homes have been searched, the sources said.

The two rented a car, a silver-blue Nissan Altima, from an Alamo car rental at Boston's Logan Airport and drove to an airport in Portland, Maine, where they got on US Airways Flight 5930 at 6 a.m. Tuesday headed back to Boston, the sources said.

Before CNN learned the identities of the two brothers, Portland Police Chief Mike Chitwood said, "I can tell you those two individuals did get on a plane and fly to Boston early yesterday morning ... I can tell you that they are the focus of a federal investigation."

Law enforcement sources said investigators searched for documents pertaining to the Bukharis and other students at Flight Safety International, a Vero Beach aviation school.

The landlord of Adnan Bukhari said Bukhari and another man who lived next door described themselves as Saudi pilots and lived with their wives and children. The landlord, Paul Stimeling, said the wife and the children of the next-door neighbor of Adnan Bukhari moved out over the weekend. The Bukhari family, the landlord said, moved out at the end of August.


So we have two others who were suspects. Fair enough - the question is why and how did they come to the attention of the Feds ?

But the real interesting thing here is that the statements above can all be proved to be lies - the two could not have rented that car, the two could not have got on that plane.

Because Ameer Bukhari had died in a small plane crash (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/investigation.terrorism/) the year before - CNN even had to print a retraction.

We would like to correct a report that appeared on CNN. Based on information from multiple law enforcement sources, CNN reported that Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari of Vero Beach Florida, were suspected to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World Trade Center. CNN later learned that Adnan Bukhari is still in Florida, where he was questioned by the FBI. We are sorry for the misinformation. A federal law enforcement source now tells CNN that Bukhari passed an FBI polygraph and is not considered a suspect. Through his attorney, Bukhari says that he is helping authorities. Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash last year.

Here's my take - they knew it was going to happen and decided to let it go ahead.

They had a list of cell members and operatives of the terrorist group involved but due to the secrecy of the operation they did not know exactly who would make the 'final cut'.

They had stuff ready to go when it kicked off: passports ready to plant at the crash site, wills, fake baggage that was 'accidentally' not loaded on the planes etc.

They rushed into action in the aftermath but made a few mistakes - they published Bukhari's name and released the 'fitted up' pre-prepared evidence not knowing he had died and Moussaoui's (or whoever 'Caned' really is) not realising he had failed to make the flight.

[segovius]

Actually that might be a bit more significant than we realise. I have just found this post at Liberty Forum (http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&Number=293038069).

It covers much the same ground but backs it all up with links:

It was reported that the two Bukharis hired a Nissan Altima at Logan airport and drove it to Portland Maine the day before the attacks (4). The car was found abandoned at the airport in Portland. In the morning they took a connecting flight (US Airways Flight 5930 at 6 a.m.)to Boston before boarding Flight 11.

As if by magic, this story suddenly changes. If you search the internet for Nissan Altima and Atta, you will now find it reported that Atta and Alomari were the ones who rented the car at Logan, drove to Portland and got the connecting flight to Boston. This story doesn't' really make sense anyway because a White Mitsubishi left at Logan was supposedly hired by Atta (4). Why would you rent a car, leave it in Logan airport, rent another car and leave that one in Portland?

[sammi jo]

About ace suicide pilot Hani Hanjour:

According to press reports, Hanjour had used Bowie's Maryland Freeway Airport three times since mid-August as he attempted to get permission to use one of the airport's planes. This from The Prince George's Journal (Maryland), September 18, 2001:

Marcel Bernard, the chief flight instructor at the airport, said the man named Hani Hanjour went into the air in a Cessna 172 with instructors from the airport three times beginning the second week of August and had hoped to rent a plane from the airport.

According to published reports, law enforcement sources say Hanjour, in his mid-twenties, is suspected of crashing the American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon. . . .
Hanjour had his pilot's license, said Bernard, but needed what is called a 'check-out' done by the airport to gauge a pilot's skills before he or she is able to rent a plane at Freeway Airport which runs parallel to Route 50.
Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed ...


... Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April of 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam. He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable.

Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience. Pete Goulatta, a special agent and spokesman for the FBI, said it is an on-going criminal investigation and he could not comment.

If you were the mastermind who planned this breathtaking terrorist attack, would you trust a man who took 600 hours of flying time and still could not do the job? Who was paying for Hanjour's lessons, and why?
Yet this is the man the FBI would have us believe flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon "with extraordinary skill." He could not even fly a Cessna 172!

Yes, maneuvering a Boeing 757 into a 270 degree turn under tense conditions (remember, the culprits were outmanned and had crude, non-lethal weapons) demanded the skill of a fighter pilot. But why would those bad, bad, Muslims want to do such a thing?

By shifting the plane's position so radically, Flight 77 managed to hit the side of the Pentagon *directly opposite* the side on which the offices of the Secretary of Defense and Joint Chief of Staff were located. (Coincidentally, Flight 77 hit the offices of Army operations (US News and World Report, Sept. 14, 2001, pg. 25). Recall, it was the Army that warned of the possibility that Israel's Mossad might make a terror attack against the US.) The masterminds of Operation 911 were prepared to sacrifice the rank and file, but carefully avoided touching a hair on the head of the brass.

One more thing:

Why did "Hani Hanjour" (allegedly) take Flight 77 all the way to the Ohio border, and then double back and aim for Washington DC, the most heavily guarded airspace on the planet (!)? Much of this excursion occurred after tyhe Twin Towers had been attacked. So the (alleged) pilot Hani Hanjour undertook an absurdly compromised operation, knowing full well that the NORAD/FAA protocol to scramble fighter jets within minutes of a plane going offcourse, and would have been on his tail within minutes, and in the knowledge that the military would be on "red alert" due to the Twin Towers attacks. As it happened, "Flight 77" undertook a crazy, jagged course all across the eastern half of the country, changing direction by 90º on 6 occasions (!), until 20 minutes before it hit the Pentagon, it disappeared from radar (!). Coincidentally, the last 20 minutes official records of this flight are not forthcoming.

The whole controversy about the Pentagon/Flight 77 could be so easily resolved if the Pentagon/FBI released the numerous security cam videotapes of the attack, to determine exactly what happened. All we have is 5 low resolution frames which show nothing apart from a huge fireball, an incorrect time code and date, and a trail of dense white smoke, which is not characteristic of the exhaust of a jet engine. But the Pentagon/FBI have inexplicably refused to show the world what really happened. We have all seen the re-runs of the (alleged) Flights 11 and 175 hitting the Trade Center, so why the big secrecy about the (alleged) Flight 77 crash?

The official story of 9-11 (not just Flight 77 but the entire event) is starting to unravel, an an accelerating pace. At some point, major media source will to be adventurous enough to start asking the difficult questions. Thats when things will get "interesting" to say the least. Up until now, we have seen formerly respectable publications like Popular Mechanics and Scientific American stoop to bad science and cherry-picking the facts (and most likely being forced to publish by official "request"). Their lines of reasoning could be refuted by any schoolkid with the most elementary knowledge of classical physics.

The notion that "Flight School Flunky" Hani Hanjour's performed a 270º dive in 8000 feet, leveling out at just above the ground, carefully avoiding the top brass and killing mostly maintenance workers and junior staffers, unchallenged by the multi-trillion dollar US military machine, is 110% not credible.

[Anders]

Of all the involved persons I think Clarke is the one who have delivered the most accurate version.

I would like to know what other people think. Naples? Sammi? Seg? Groverat?

[sammi jo]

Originally posted by Anders
Of all the involved persons I think Clarke is the one who have delivered the most accurate version.

I would like to know what other people think. Naples? Sammi? Seg? Groverat?

Anders, are you talking about Hani Hanjour/77, or the entire 9-11 event?