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MACchine
06-21-2005, 11:13 AM
OK, a few years ago Pres. Clinton did a national talk about global warming, he showed a chart that was the longest term available data on global warming and cooling.

I can't remember what he said about that chart accept that IT WAS TOTALLY WRONG.

HERE IS THE REAL POOP...

I looked carefully at the entire chart while he was pointing out what he had been told, and I noticed something VERY CURIOUS, that during the course of human history the line went HORIZONTAL, FLAT, NO CHANGE.

And we have often heard that climate has been very stable during certain periods of human history, many years ago they would say the last 100 years but I believe that has been expanded recently.

This was a very long history with the chart being about maybe 24 inches by 10 inches and human history was about 1 or 2 inches on the chart. The temperature chart, the planet, went mostly directly cold to hot, hot to cold, ect.

The flat line of human history where we are now on the chart was about 2 inches from being as hot as it gets before the planet would start to cool down again.

Human history was the only flat line that I could see on the chart and it was very flat.



SO HERE IS THE SIMPLE BOTTOM LINE THAT IS VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND ...

Living creatures on this planet as they go through the process of living and dyeing they give off gasses that optimize the atmosphere and planet for more life. And the dyeing process is in the long run oxidation, is almost the same as burning.

The gasses created by oxidation create a green house effect that makes our planet a good place for life to thrive, the green house effect causes even warming around the planet, the very climate we NOW have -- although admittedly we are RIGHT NOW in the hotter more violent weather portion of the curve.

The normal dyeing process creates a climate with the stability that was shown on the chart with big swings between glaciation and melting of the poles within ice ages.

But this is very stable compared to other planets in our solar system.

THE REASON IT FLAT-LINES DURING HUMAN HISTORY IS BECAUSE THE PRESENCE OF PRIMITIVE HUMANS INTRODUCES SOOT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.

You see the planet was rapidly swinging up towards the peak of the heating cycle but large numbers of humans burning wood, forests, coal, even oil stopped the heating process.

EVERYTHING that we burn has an organic origin so as long as we burn those things in a natural way, which means under normal atmospheric pressure with out filtering then three things happen.

One, a lot of soot is put out which reflects the sun and causes a bit of cooling, but it also keeps moisture close to the ground, large particles, so it is a good insulator. In other words it stabilized the weather, created MILD weather.

Two, sulfur dioxide is put into the atmosphere by burning, this causes STRONG cooling, as it creates acid rain which has a very strong cooling effect.

Three, green house gasses are put into the atmosphere causing the planet to warm oven time, but if large quantities of organic materials are burnt by humans then the net amount of green house gasses is reduced then the planets weather reaches its greatest possible stability.

So the reason there was very little global warming seen all the way up to the 70s is because our dirty combustion engines put out a lot of soot and sulfur dioxide.

But then in the 80's we took the sulfur out of gas and filtered the exhaust and burned the gas in very hot, high pressure engines so now all of the exhausts are STRICTLY GREEN HOUSE GASSES NO COOLING GASSES.



It should be possible to verify my cooling via soot theory by looking at the years immediately following Saddam's oil fires in the gulf. Those oil well fires that were lit at the end of the first gulf war, these dirty cool burning fires that put out a lot of soot should have created detectable cooling effect globally.

Also violent and unusual weather should have started very soon after sulfur was substantially removed from fuels, just from memory it seems like it did !


So the result is that the planet gets hotter, weather is an engine, more heat makes more violent storms. SOO the North Pole and Greenland have been melting very rapidly pushing fresh water into the Gulf Stream at the furthest north of its travels. Although it is just called "The Belt" by most scientist but in the Atlantic near this area it is called the Gulf Stream so some also use that name.

So as the fresh water flows into the salty waters of The Belt it interferes with its flow and causes slowing.

The Belt circulates around the Earth causing warm and cold waters to mix thus it has the effect of making weather more mild, the faster it flows the more temperatures are evened out around the planet.

If it slows, HOT SPOTS are created around the planet and THAT CAUSES MORE VOLCANIC ACTION and violent weather.

Eventually enough volcanoes are brought to life and their output of sulfur dioxide causes the planet to cool rapidly and become iced over again the same as at the hight of glaciation of ice ages.

So once these volcanoes get started it takes a LOT of COOLING to shut them down, and my guess is that the south poll ices over so much that the Atlantic becomes isolated and very salty and thus The Belt then begins to turn again very rapidly and that along with the reduction of volcanic action just because cooling shuts it down allows the climate to start to warming again and gradually return to what we have today.

Therefore, the rule is that we MUST keep The Belt turning at its historic speeds.

To do this we must restore sulfur dioxide emissions to their pre-modern day levels, domestic weather modification !!!

There are scientists that have already run tests by spraying sulfur dioxide over swamps and they did record some cooling effect.

But we must be more bold and get into the act right away to get The Belt turning at a good rapid pace again.

This will probably require spraying sulfur dioxide over the atlantic and pacific, far from shore to do as little damage to vegetation as possible, or maybe over swamps will do it, but it must result in the North Pole cooling and freezing back to normal.

ITS ALL QUITE SIMPLE REALLY !!!

hardeeharhar
06-21-2005, 11:28 AM
Huh?

Have you lost your mind?

giant
06-21-2005, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Have you lost your mind?
Obviously. Go look at his posts in future hardware

Hassan i Sabbah
06-21-2005, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by MACchine

THE REASON IT FLAT-LINES DURING HUMAN HISTORY IS BECAUSE THE PRESENCE OF PRIMITIVE HUMANS INTRODUCES SOOT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.

You see the planet was rapidly swinging up towards the peak of the heating cycle but large numbers of humans burning wood, forests, coal, even oil stopped the heating process.
I note that you believe that a prolonged release of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere helped to slow down climate change.

That's all. I think that's the crux of your argument.

We can lock the thread now, thanks.

FormerLurker
06-21-2005, 11:40 AM
verbal diarrhea, mental masturbation, or both? I can't decide.

jamac
06-21-2005, 11:42 AM
Science channel says:
Siberian rivers are diluting salinity in north sea. Cause: more rain and thawing.
This will stop Gulf stream conveyor affect of warm water. The salinity has changed 30% just in the last 15 years!
This will cool Great Britain to freeze.
100 days of snow on the ground expected by 2025 - 2055 every 5 - 7 years
This will cause rainforest to dry up.
Massive migration of people towards wetter areas.

This has happened before.

Much luck everybody!

MACchine
06-21-2005, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
I note that you believe that a prolonged release of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere helped to slow down climate change.

That's all. I think that's the crux of your argument.

We can lock the thread now, thanks.

Carbon dioxide is NOT soot or sulfur dioxide.

YOU are perplexed and obsessed with what you have heard in the past, I am adding to what you have previously heard.

One thing that I could have ADDED is that global warming is the natural course of nature, human presence is the ONLY THING that causes the planet to stabilize greatly. Well, I DID say that in so many words.

Read it again it is VERY SIMPLE !!!

MACchine
06-21-2005, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by FormerLurker
verbal diarrhea, mental masturbation, or both? I can't decide.

Don't talk about yourself this way your brain will shrink !!!

All my brilliant hard work just to save THIS ...


Oh well, I guess it wasn't hard work I am just naturally brilliant.

pfflam
06-21-2005, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by MACchine
Don't talk about yourself this way your brain will shrink !!!

All my brilliant hard work just to save THIS ...


Oh well, I guess it wasn't hard work I am just naturally brilliant. Hey MODERATOR . . . can we give this guy a reason to change his sig . . . reverse it even?

audiopollution
06-21-2005, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by pfflam
Hey MODERATOR . . . can we give this guy a reason to change his sig . . . reverse it even?

I'm oscillating between amused and annoyed.

It's like someone spliced part of Art Bell's brain into an 8 year-old and, in the process, the finger that controls the caps-lock key got a bit too twitchy.

I'm not sure, yet.

hardeeharhar
06-21-2005, 01:04 PM
Look, kid...

Soot also reflects heat from the surface of the earth, which means that days get cooler and nights get warmer. The problem with your theory is that there weren't enough humans on earth to produce the amount of soot you would need to greatly affect the climate.

midwinter
06-21-2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by audiopollution
I'm oscillating between amused and annoyed.

It's like someone spliced part of Art Bell's brain into an 8 year-old and, in the process, the finger that controls the caps-lock key got a bit too twitchy.

I'm not sure, yet.

I think it's hysterical. I mean I think it's HYSTERICAL. The ALTERNATING caps. The BIZARRE leaps in THOUGHT.

Brilliant. BRILLIANT.

shetline
06-21-2005, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Look, kid...
Please don't feed the trolls. I'd like to encourage others to do what I've done... PM a moderator and request that this troll be banned.

I'm not fond of censorship, but what's going on here is as much free expression as driving around your neighborhood at midnight with your car stereo blasting is... it's no more than disturbing the (relative) peace.

The rest of us have a right to have a semi-orderly forum where we can conduct our usual contentious pontification, obfuscation, and sniping without being interrupted by this kind of nonsense. ;)

audiopollution
06-21-2005, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by shetline
Please don't feed the trolls. I'd like to encourage others to do what I've done... PM a moderator and request that this troll be banned.

Hey! I've already received enough PM's about this. :D

Watching. Closely.

MACchine
06-21-2005, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Look, kid...

Soot also reflects heat from the surface of the earth, which means that days get cooler and nights get warmer. The problem with your theory is that there weren't enough humans on earth to produce the amount of soot you would need to greatly affect the climate.


THAT is what I said soot COOLS -- READ IT little boy !!!



Oh contrare GREAT grasshopper~~~

It is widely theorized that the American Indians burned entire forests to create grass lands to expand the GREAT buffalo herds.

It has ALSO been reported in the science news that coal fires burning underground in China create MORE global warming gasses then ALL AUTOMOCARS !!!

As far as I know these areas are QUITE PRIMITIVE.

Remember when they used to have coal fires that they could NOT put out in the old mining towns of the Appalachians.

And the entire Northern USA is having HUGE problems with forest fires causing home fires. This is because the forest stands have become TOO brushy.

AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE FORESTS DON'T HAVE FIRES REGULARLY LIKE THEY USED TO, TO THIN THE STANDS AND CLEAR THE BRUSH !!!

Remember "Marry Poppins" that was a spoof about how London used to have chronic fog and dank conditions because of the burning of coal in fireplaces in every home and the factories, and the live's of chimney sweeps who cleaned those fireplaces.


If I am the child and YOU are the adult and I KNOW ALL THESE THINGS you don't know BOY THE WORLD is up side DOWN !!!

rageous
06-21-2005, 02:36 PM
Incoherent ranting with no attempt to foster any real discussion.

Buh bye.