Yet more 9-11 damning evidence

[sammi jo]

http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=110&mode=&order=0&thold=0

This is a long article, but an essential read. Considering that (1) Rumsfeld himself admitted on 12 October 2001 that a missile had struck the Pentagon in addition to an airliner, and (2) that jet engine parts were discovered amongst the wreckage in the Pentagon that were categorically NOT belonging to a Boeing 757, and (3) that a jet engine which was found at Church and Murray in Lower Manhattan was a model that is customarily fitted to the 737 family of Boeings, as opposed to the more modern 767s, it looks as if their are yet more glaring inconsistencies and impossibilities with the official version of events of that day.

Add this one to the hundreds of other problems that beset the official (wacko) conspiracy theory. Also, the fact that it is a self-described conservative Republican who has been pursuing this matter should not be ignored.

Wake up, America!!!

[hardeeharhar]

'...wealthy Jewish Bankers...'

that line shows how clearly this 'reporter' should be taken...

[sammi jo]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
'...wealthy Jewish Bankers...'

that line shows how clearly this 'reporter' should be taken...

The reference to "Jewish bankers" is a total red herring, and wholly irrelevant as regards 99.9% of the content of the article. Read the article in context and get angry.

Not wanting to continue this attempt to derail the thread, but what is so taboo about mentioning "Jewish bankers"? The banking industry does happen to boast a disproportinate number of people of that faith in its ranks, as the Jewish people do have a historical skill in the mercantile trades. Perhaps we should react in a similar way when someone mentions "muslim terrorists"?? Gawd.

Ok, now we got that little distraction out of the way, lets resume constructively.

:rolleyes:

[Moe_in_Texas]

I will read your article sammi jo. I know that you are most driven by this subject, but where do you really plan to go with all of this? If there was a conspiracy, it will never be revealed. Most of my friends from other countries are sure that the third plane was shot down by the AirForce and I remember witness reports of planes in the area of where it went down. I heard those reports once or twice and they disappered. Not usre what to think here.

[Northgate]

There are also reports that the plane that crashed in Long Island shortly after 9/11 was actually a terrorist event and the U.S. covered it up to prevent further panic. They also covered it up to send a message to the terrorists, "You'll never get the satisfaction of using terror because we'll always make sure it was a 'mechanical error'."

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by sammi jo
Not wanting to continue this attempt to derail the thread, but what is so taboo about mentioning "Jewish bankers"? The banking industry does happen to boast a disproportinate number of people of that faith in its ranks, as the Jewish people do have a historical skill in the mercantile trades. Perhaps we should react in a similar way when someone mentions "muslim terrorists"?? Gawd.

Its hardly the same thing.

The question here is why is it always Jewish Bankers, because while disproportionate numbers of Jews exist in any given professional profession, these Jewish Bankers somehow are different from, presumably Christian, Bankers in their control of the "world economy." Why don't we blame Jewish Scientists for bad gene therapy experiments, or Jewish Lawyers for chasing ambulances?

The fundamental difference between a profession and terrorism is that terrorism comes with an agenda: an Islamic agenda, a Christian agenda, an Irish agenda.

sammi jo, your choice of information sources reflects poorly on you.

[sammi jo]

Originally posted by Moe_in_Texas
I will read your article sammi jo. I know that you are most driven by this subject, but where do you really plan to go with all of this? If there was a conspiracy, it will never be revealed. Most of my friends from other countries are sure that the third plane was shot down by the AirForce and I remember witness reports of planes in the area of where it went down. I heard those reports once or twice and they disappered. Not usre what to think here.

Of course there was a conspiracy!! OK, a definition: A "conspiracy" is a plan, drawn up and executed by 2 or more people, for criminal intent. It is plain that 9-11 was executed by at least two people, and the intent/result was plainly criminal. Proof of conspiracy, QED.

Equally to the point, who were the architects of that conspiracy? On one hand, there is the conspiracy theory put forward by the Bush administration, supported by the media and other institutions, official and otherwise, that 19 "arabs" took control of four commercial airliners and slammed three of them into large buildings, and a 4th crashed short of its intended target due to 'heroic' actions by some of the passengers.
On the other hand, there is an alternative conspiracy theory, which has only started because of the numerous many coincidences, inconsistencies, impossibilities and unlikelihoods, and glaring lack of evidence in the official version, such that a number of people have been prompted to research the facts, unencumbered by the official dogma. I concur that a number of media cowboys have cashed in and muddied up the waters, but on the whole, one can get a pretty damn good picture, using the government's and media's own accounts and information, much of which was released on the day, or shortly after. An example of this is Paul Thompson's Timeline (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project)

My point being: This aspect of what happened at the Pentagon is one miniscule piece in a far larger puzzle. If only this happens to be the only correct piece in the alternative theory, and holds water, it is an extremely damning piece of information, and casts doubt on the official version. The trouble is, besides this story of allegedly customized military aircraft, and engine/landing gear parts that dont match, there are hundreds and hundreds of other, equally damning facts and accounts that refer to every other aspect of what happened on 9-11-2001, (namely, big problems with the cases of Flights 11, 175 and 93, the nature of the tower collapses, the bizarre case of WTC #7, Larry Silverstein's extraordinary statements and the insurance situation, the put-options on UA and AA, the widespread pre-knowledge of the attacks within the FBI, the notion (supported by FBI chief Mueller) that the identities and living/dead status of many of the alleged 'hijackers' is in doubt, the strange behavior of the Secret Service and the president that morning, the unprecedented failure to scramble jets, the four simultaneous war games and military exercises organized by Cheney on the morning of 9-11, the case of the hi-fiving Mossad agents arrested by the FBI, it goes on and on and on an seeming infinitum. Name any aspect of 9-11 and there are huge problems encountered by the official conspiracy theory.

Where am I going with this? Well, it is frustrating in the extreme to read stories every day in the mainstream media that are both inaccurate and even plainly untrue, as regards 9-11; yet because they are published by institutions that command 'respect' with the casual observer, their pronouncements are regarded as infallible and unquestionable. In the weeks after 9-11 happened, I acknowledged the Bush administration's version, and supported the decision to go to war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, to capture OBL, "Al Qaeda" personnel and supporters. (I still wish to see OBL ina US court of law charged with the murder of hundreds of US citizens on two US Embassies in Africa, and the USS Cole, but that is a different matter). However I am just one of hundreds of thousands of people who, over the last few years, are beginning to realize that we have been sold a fraudulent bill of goods. CNN did a recent poll asking the question "did the US government have preknowledge of the attacks"..and 90% replied in the affirmative before CNN hurriedly pulled the poll from the site. (I have the screenshot). Zogby also asked a similar question to residents of NYC and found that almost 50% felt that not only did the US government know beforehand, but also allowed it to happen.

One person, like myself, cannot do much singlehandedly, in trying to expose alternative explanations. But when so many ask the difficult questions (throughout the US and the rest of the world), and don't get satisfactory answers from the powers-that-be, they natural response is to get suspicious. Ask any detective. Results will not happen overnight, due to inertia, but its the trend that counts. 9-11 was the event of a lifetime, and so much in the way world affairs are conducted was as a result of 9-11 and and the officially sanctioned explanation/perception.''

I have to add, that if it was incompetence that caused so many failures on so many levels, how is it that not a single person has even been jailed, fired, demoted, or even reprimanded as a result of 9-11?

Que? WTF?

[segovius]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
'...wealthy Jewish Bankers...'

that line shows how clearly this 'reporter' should be taken...

Got to disagree there.

When you have a subject which is swept under the carpet then as a matter of course, it fonds itself living alongside all sorts of rubbish and dirt which naturally lives there.

The subject in question does not naturally live 'under the carpet' but has been placed there precisely because it can then be disregarded out of hand by people who judge things by a 'box' they are perceived to be in or a 'label'.

But this is for non-thinkers, you're much better than that.

An issue needs judging purely on its data - not on whether a racist happens to believe it.

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar

The fundamental difference between a profession and terrorism is that terrorism comes with an agenda: an Islamic agenda, a Christian agenda, an Irish agenda.

Never a Jewish agenda, huh? ;)

[sammi jo]

And now, even more significantly, another conservative Republican, a former member has come out of the closet.

Two weeks ago, the former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush’s first term told the world he thought the WTC fell from a controlled demolition, indicating 9/11 was "an inside government job."

Reynolds, a respected economist and former Republican conservative, made his claims after researching many aspects of 9/11, including scientific and engineering data for and against the government story.

See whole article here: more damning material

http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=105580

How much longer is ot going to take before the whole thing unravels, and Cheney and crew find themselves in front of a judge charged with treason and mass murder?

:mad:

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by segovius
Got to disagree there.

When you have a subject which is swept under the carpet then as a matter of course, it fonds itself living alongside all sorts of rubbish and dirt which naturally lives there.

The subject in question does not naturally live 'under the carpet' but has been placed there precisely because it can then be disregarded out of hand by people who judge things by a 'box' they are perceived to be in or a 'label'.

But this is for non-thinkers, you're much better than that.

An issue needs judging purely on its data - not on whether a racist happens to believe it.

Fair enough... I think the article does itself in anyway...

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
Never a Jewish agenda, huh? ;)

Oops... I forgot about them...

Terrorist can have a Jewish agenda...

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Oops... I forgot about them...

Terrorist can have a Jewish agenda...

Or some Jews can have a terrorist agenda. Just like others.

[johnq]

Watch the documentary "Checkpoint" anytime you start to feel too warm and cuddly about Israel's policies/military.

[Outsider]

Originally posted by johnq
Watch the documentary "Checkpoint" anytime you start to feel too warm and cuddly about Israel's policies/military. Israel != Jews

[Gene Clean]

Of course not. But its official name is confusing too, don't you think?

'The Jewish State of Israel'

[sammi jo]

Since this thread seems to have gotten sidelined with a red herring about "Israel and Jews", if we insist on continuing in this direction, here's a couple of far more relevant articles as regards the possible Israeli connection with 9-11:

THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.

Whole article here: http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

Yet more material on the Israeli connection here:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=3425

And no, it is not anti-semitic to suggest that Israeli agents had a part to play in 9-11.

[johnq]

Originally posted by Outsider
Israel != Jews


Israel = Jews - as in the Jewish majority in Israel; not including diaspora or non-Jewish minorities (duh!).

But:

Jews != Israel (there are many Jews that are anti-Israel (country/policies) or Zionism (Nationalism).

So I don't know what your point is. I know not all Jews agree with Israeli policy if that's what you meant.

But to the world, Israel's army ='s "Jews" as much as the SS/Wehrmacht ='d "Germans". (hint: not all Germans were Nazis, but try convincing WWII America and Europe of that).

[sammi jo]

Odigo, the instant messaging company also claimed that two of its workers were warned of the attack two hours before it happened. Even the Israeli news service Haaretz has this article up on its website, 3.5 years after the event.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C

And... an Israeli company ZIM Israel Navigation with offices in the WTC pulled out suddenly in early September 2001.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/09/AmericanFreePress0902.html

So much for the attacks taking everyone by surprise.

:rolleyes:

[hardeeharhar]

Great so a company from one country decides not to continue leasing space in an unpopular and expensive office tower, and we have a conspiracy...

And it isn't even confirmed that this event actually occurred...

Idiots, all of them.

[sammi jo]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
[B]Great so a company from one country decides not to continue leasing space in an unpopular and expensive office tower, and we have a conspiracy...

No conspiracy? Do you honestly think that one person organized and executed the attacks with no help or planning by or from anyone else? Sheesh......the perps (perp??) have (has???) already been credited with defying the laws of physics by collapsing the WTC towers at the acceleration of gravity, in that there was no resistance from the eighty or so floors below. Is it really possible that one person could have taken control of all 4 airplanes simultaneously, and crashed them all at different times in different places? That's a tough call, even for a 'talented' muslim.

And it isn't even confirmed that this event actually occurred...

There are a lot of things that many people believe about 9-11 that have *not* been confirmed or are on very shaky ground. One of these is the notion (that has been pushed by this administration from day 1), that it all came as a big surprise. Far from it, as it was known widely throughout the FBI about the nature, date and exact locations of the attacks up to 6 weeks in advance, as well as numerous people and organizations having been warned in various ways. Another of those is the apparent cellphone calls from Flight 93, of which there are no billing or other pertinant records. Similarly, there are no credit card records of any airline ticket purchases by people with 'middle eastern' names on any of the 4 flights. Another, is the identities of the alleged 19 hijackers: FBI director Mueller admitted himself that the true identities of a number of the hijackers is in doubt, after being informed by the BBC that at least *four* of the people named on the FBI's website (this hasn't been changed) were alive and well, several of whom had never even visited the United States(!) If you so wish to hear about another 100 or more things that have *not* been confirmed but so many believe as the 'gospel truth' re. 9-11 because they have been relentlessly pushed by the admin. the Pentagon and the mainstream media, and I will glad to list them.

Idiots, all of them.

Yes, I agree there. 10s of millions of suckers :)

:rolleyes: