Apple cancels Apple Expo keynote address

[superted]

Macworld is reporting from Apple that there will be no formal presentation at the Paris Mac Expo. The executives from Apple including Steve Jobs will be attending but there will be no Keynote presentation.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/09/04/pariskeynote/index.php?lsrc=mwrss

[PB]

Originally posted by superted
Macworld is reporting from Apple that there will be no formal presentation at the Paris Mac Expo. The executives from Apple including Steve Jobs will be attending but there will be no Keynote presentation.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/09/04/pariskeynote/index.php?lsrc=mwrss
What we expected at Paris was a Powerbook update with the new 7448 cpu. This would be a substantial boost to keep the line alive until the switch starts.

Now it seems that this update was postponed. Or cancelled. Or Jobs does not want to face the public (non-developers) in view of the Intel transition. Whatever.

[sunilraman]

looks like september will be interestin, huh? in a few days, sep 7th announcment and then sep 20th (my birthday! i'll be 27 !!) paris.

well, also, sep 11th, 4th year anniversary. yup, 4 years on.

anyway i have a friend from malaysistan going to visit his in-laws in the bay area for a whole month from this weekend. if apple comes up with anything good, and i beg my dad hard enough , he just might be flying back with a new ipod or powerbook dualcore 7448.... :???: wow. the grey side clouds this upcoming moon cycle.....

[paulerskine]

so no keynote, maybe not such a big deal, who thinks they'll update the towers anyway, say tomorrow or next tuesday, steve wouldn't want to make a big deal of the IBM dual core anyway... why shout about technology you're about to ditch, might as well roll them out and just be at the expo to talk up the future of apple...

[sunilraman]

maybe because he had to "set the RDF to 11" for wwdc he has to regenerate his RDF reserves... macworld sf 2006, RDF back on full charge. hopefully :\ :lol:

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman
...he just might be flying back with a new ipod or powerbook dualcore 7448.... :???
Stop dreaming, there is no such thing like dual core 7448 (http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MPC7448FACT.pdf) :p . 8641D (http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MPC8641DFACT.pdf) is the dual core gold, but I don't see it in a Powerbook.

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by PB
Stop dreaming, there is no such thing like dual core 7448 (http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MPC7448FACT.pdf) :p . 8641D (http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MPC8641DFACT.pdf) is the dual core gold, but I don't see it in a Powerbook.

whatevs :(
maybe i should wish for a girlfriend for my birthday...!! :lol:

[sunilraman]

8641D. nice.
dual-core "g4"
up to 1.5ghz
up to 667mhz bus
2mb L2 cache (1mb each core)
DDR2 ram
up to 8x PCIexpress
90nm

simply not profitable for apple though at this stage. i suspect intel can give them similar pentium M goodies for half the price?

btw,
where are the "great powerPC products?" :rolleyes:
steve lied. if there were really "great PowerPC products" in the pipeline he would get his ass on stage and be announcing them in a few weeks :mad:

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman
maybe i should wish for a girlfriend for my birthday...!! :lol:
A far more realistic wish ;) .

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman
8641D. nice.
dual-core "g4"
up to 1.5ghz


Why my eyes see at least 1.5 GHz per e600 core?




simply not profitable for apple though at this stage. i suspect intel can give them similar pentium M goodies for half the price?


I cannot see where you draw your question/conclusion from, but the problem is that the 8641D would require a complete motherboard overhaul, which has probability zero to happen in view of the transition.



btw,
where are the "great powerPC products?" :rolleyes:
steve lied. if there were really "great PowerPC products" in the pipeline he would get his ass on stage and be announcing them in a few weeks :mad:
It seems that his ass got recently... something from Freescale :\ .

[PB]

Well, this must be a first for quite some time in Apple's history. People have already received (http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=185002915731&r=346003915731) their keynote badges, for an already cancelled keynote.

[Jimzip]

Dear lord am I meant to understand this...

"The L2 cache is fully pipelined for two-cycle throughput in the MPC7448. It responds with an 11-cycle load latency for an L1 miss that hits in L2 with ECC disabled and 12 cycles when ECC is enabled. In the MPC7448, as many as six outstanding cache misses are allowed between the L1 data cache and L2 bus. In addition, the MPC7448 supports a second cacheable store miss. The processors also provide cache locking to the L1 caches so that key performance algorithms and code can be locked in the L1 cache."

Zoiks.. I thought I was geeky but that just blew my mind apart..
It uh.. it does sound cool though!

On the note of the Keynote though.. Dang it! I love watching those.. Especially when there's new products to announce!

Jimzip :D

[aplnub]

Originally posted by sunilraman
btw,
where are the "great powerPC products?" :rolleyes:
steve lied. if there were really "great PowerPC products" in the pipeline he would get his ass on stage and be announcing them in a few weeks :mad:

I don't know why more people are not pissed off over this. He lied to the point he can't get on stage and confront anyone because it was such a big fat lie.

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by PB

"Why my eyes see at least 1.5 GHz per e600 core?"
ah because my mind automatically computed, freescale = crap so i subconsciously changed the at least to a at most :lol:
damn.... at least 1.5ghz per core. nice...!

"I cannot see where you draw your question/conclusion from...."
the word 'ass' has been used a lot in this thread already, so i shan't ramble on :p

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by aplnub
I don't know why more people are not pissed off over this. He lied to the point he can't get on stage and confront anyone because it was such a big fat lie.

indeed, i am somewhat disturbed by this turn of events but i'm giving it the whole month to see what turns out and why he may have chosen to do so. the fact that people have paid good money to see the keynote (if i am not wrong), a bit tragic, really... i think someone fucked up a product release that he wanted to announce on the 20th and thought, better pull the keynote now rather than a few days before or worse, announce something
"un-shippable" on the 20th.

you know, given this quarter is perhaps apple's "riskiest" in the past few years, something must have fucked up big for steve to say, okay, let's "cut our losses" (just a figure of speech, not saying they are going to lose money this quarter) and 86 the keynote.

[sunilraman]

(meh... my third post in a row, deleted it.. nothing to see here, move on) :embarrass

[jwdawso]

My guess is that this is very bad news. My hunch is that Jobs was going to announce either/both PowerMac MPs and 7448 PowerBooks, and IBM/FreeScale cannot deliver. The expected "great powerPC products" are not showing up on schedule. This looks like FreeScale's fingerprints, so I think no more PB updates until Intel, and the IBM MPs are still on the way.

[JLL]

Originally posted by aplnub
I don't know why more people are not pissed off over this. He lied to the point he can't get on stage and confront anyone because it was such a big fat lie.

When did he say that they were supposed to be released three months later?

[snipe]

OTOH perhaps the incredible buzz for Sept 7 caused SJ to rethink any Paris announcement(s) and move it (them) up to this Wednesday

[gar]

Originally posted by PB
A far more realistic wish ;) .
hmm...
almost 27, living in feudal nearbytsunamistan and having his dad to pay for his hightechtoys.

it's far more realistic to hope for a dualcore powerbook at parisexpo than someone of the opposite sex committing an act of passion to sunil in the same timeframe.
:p

i googled a picture of sunilraman @myMUG... can't you ditch the grandprix of malaysia and get a girlfriend instead...

[BRussell]

Originally posted by PB
What we expected at Paris was a Powerbook update with the new 7448 cpu. This would be a substantial boost to keep the line alive until the switch starts. Who is 'we?' Only if you've been living in a cave would you think Steve would speed-bump the Powerbooks at a keynote. He only introduces all new products. If that's all that's happening, it will come as a press release some Tuesday morning, not at a keynote. I even doubt that he'd introduce dual dual-core PowerMacs at a keynote.

[satchmo]

Originally posted by BRussell
Who is 'we?' Only if you've been living in a cave would you think Steve would speed-bump the Powerbooks at a keynote. He only introduces all new products. If that's all that's happening, it will come as a press release some Tuesday morning, not at a keynote. I even doubt that he'd introduce dual dual-core PowerMacs at a keynote.

Well I know a number of people was hoping he would introduce an all new 13.3 widescreen PB.:p
I guess there goes another rumour flushed down the toilet again.

[Emin]

Originally posted by superted
Macworld is reporting from Apple that there will be no formal presentation at the Paris Mac Expo.

That is bad news, indeed. Here go my hopes for a better PowerBook by the end of the month...

[1984]

Obviously something is very wrong. They pulled out of the Mac mini deal at the last minute. They pulled out of the keynote at the last minute. Why are they having a Q&A session at the expo? The only question I can see being asked is what the hell is going on?

[PB]

Originally posted by BRussell
Who is 'we?' Only if you've been living in a cave would you think Steve would speed-bump the Powerbooks at a keynote.


Sorry for the confusing phrasing. "We" is me and some others here and elsewhere that expected a new 7448 Powerbook this month, probably at the Apple Expo keynote.

An MPC7448 based Powerbook would easily warrant a keynote presentation. This is not a simple speed-bump like the ones we are used to see in the G4 front. Granted, it is not a G5 but the 7448 processor has many nice improvements and would provide a solid update if Freescale was able to supply it at 1.8-2.0 GHz. Lower power, improved FSB, higher clock speed, more L2 cache and I remember having read somewhere that it has OOOE for Altivec instructions (sorry, no link at this moment).

EDIT: doh, it is in the fact sheet above.

[iDave]

Originally posted by sunilraman
btw,
where are the "great powerPC products?" :rolleyes:
steve lied. if there were really "great PowerPC products" in the pipeline he would get his ass on stage and be announcing them in a few weeks :mad:
With two years left before the Intel transition is complete, I'd say there's still plenty of time for more "great PowerPC products."

BTW, "great PPC products" can mean any Mac product Apple is currently selling. :)

Chances are, Apple won't be making such a big deal out of PPC upgrades since they're now focused on Intel. Quiet releases, rather than keynotes, is where we'll probably see them.

[gugy]

well, the situation is bad at Apple.
It seems that this week's announcement is going to be Ipod relate. Now if a canceled keynote in Paris means we might not see anything happening there! I want to cry!
In other words, Maybe not Apple PowerBook or PowerMac until MWSF.

unless Mr. Jobs creates an special event to announce it. It seems that for long time the current line up will be there. Very sad indeed.

PowerBook and PowerMacs need desperately an upgrade. Even with PPC. We all know it will change when Intel comes onboard. but it's too long of a wait.

So, is Steve really lying about amazing PPC products down the pipeline?

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by gar
hmm...
almost 27, living in feudal nearbytsunamistan and having his dad to pay for his hightechtoys.
it's far more realistic to hope for a dualcore powerbook at parisexpo than someone of the opposite sex committing an act of passion to sunil in the same timeframe.
:p i googled a picture of sunilraman @myMUG... can't you ditch the grandprix of malaysia and get a girlfriend instead...


oh bugger my secret hero identity is revealed. oh i think the picture of me is from diforums not mymug? oh but i'm on the mymug homepage**... hmm

ah well okay if y'all must know
well i was into sex drugs and rock and roll and stuff, only using a mac and being an artist/musician/designer and all that... but kind of ran out of money, couldn't hold down a job and stuff. so had to do the "prodigal son returns home" deal and return to geek mode to recover.

*sigh* once again i shall venture forth into the world boldy ...... :D :err:

**edit: was on the homepage, they took off my picture 'coz i was supposed to talk about Keynote but bailed at the very last minute :embarrass

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by 1984
[B]Obviously something is very wrong. They pulled out of the Mac mini deal at the last minute. They pulled out of the keynote at the last minute. Why are they having a Q&A session at the expo? The only question I can see being asked is what the hell is going on?


these moves coupled with having to face investors in October with this quarters results, means that, like i said, steve+gang is taking the safest route, and if this means cancelling mac mini deal and cancelling keynote, well, weird, something IS up. september 7 is probably just iTunesMoto and that's it. lets face it. a crappy looking ROKR you can buy tunes online for your phone, that's it. BIG FUCKING DEAL. FUCK.

man if IBM and/or Freescale was the cause of this latest foofarah... i'm gonna be hella pissed. there's a Freescale office down the road from me (seriously... it's where the 3rd world kids with the little hands make all your g4s) ... i'll..... do something.... and post it back here... GRRR bloody freescale and IBM

see all the stuff you have time to do when you don't have a girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse/etc :lol:

[ibook911]

Originally posted by 1984
Obviously something is very wrong. They pulled out of the Mac mini deal at the last minute. They pulled out of the keynote at the last minute. Why are they having a Q&A session at the expo? The only question I can see being asked is what the hell is going on?

A return to PowerPC in 2008! :)

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by ibook911
A return to PowerPC in 2008! :)

no....!!!!! nah, macintel is on track, for macworld sf2006. we have passed the point of no return, and even at this stage of the game IBM and Freescale have, surprise, :rolleyes: failed to deliver... steve is so pissed he's not even going to bother going up on stage to talk about these "great powerpc products" ~ they are great, they're just late. hey! new slogan

G4 & G5 PowerPC in Macs.
They're always Great. Just a tad Late.

[iDave]

Originally posted by sunilraman
no....!!!!! nah, macintel is on track, for macworld sf2006.
Yeah, right. What makes you think so?

[gugy]

That's right. if Apple nothing is for sure.
I wouldn't be surprise if we don't see mactel at MWSF.
Steve had to swallow his words before. so that could happen again easily.

[iDave]

Apple anticipates having Intel Macs on the market by the time WWDC rolls around next June. When have they ever been early with anything? My guess is that we'll see one line, perhaps the PowerBooks, with Intel processors around late May.

[cubist]

Originally posted by sunilraman
Originally posted by ibook911
A return to PowerPC in 2008! :)

no....!!!!! nah, macintel is on track, for macworld sf2006. we have passed the point of no return, and even at this stage of the game IBM and Freescale have, surprise, :rolleyes: failed to deliver...[/i][/B]

I'd be surprised to see a MacIntel at MWSF'06. However, I also think we've seen the last new PPC products. My guess is that the 7448s didn't show up. I doubt IBM will produce the 970MP at all. Do they need it for their blade servers? It looks to me like IBM is moving to the Opteron for their own products.

Someday we'll hear the true story behind the Intel transition, and it will have several surprises in it.

[DHagan4755]

OK, so it looks as though the Paris Expo Keynote has been cancelled. We don't know if there was ever one scheduled in the first place. Clearly updates are needed most in the XServe and PowerBook line. Despite the fact that some of you say that Apple will wait for Intel, I cannot fathom them allowing some of their products to linger for a year or more without some sort of update.

Apple's Product Line Updates

(Oldest to Most Recent)

Xserve - January 4, 2005
PowerBook - January 31, 2005
Power Mac - April 27, 2005
eMac - May 3, 2005
iMac G5 - May 3, 2005
iPod - June 28, 2005
iBook - July 26, 2005
Mac Mini - July 26, 2005

This either means:

A.) Intel PowerBooks will be introduced at MWSF in January 2006.
B.) PowerBooks and Xserves will be updated in the new few weeks.

[PB]

Originally posted by cubist
My guess is that the 7448s didn't show up.


The MPC7448 is already in the hands of certain manufacturers for some months now, I guess in very limited quantities.




I doubt IBM will produce the 970MP at all. Do they need it for their blade servers?


No one knows for sure. All depends from their contractual obligations to Apple.




Someday we'll hear the true story behind the Intel transition, and it will have several surprises in it.
Indeed, there is too much of evidence to believe so.

[PB]

Originally posted by DHagan4755
We don't know if there was ever one scheduled in the first place.
Did you check the Ars thread which I linked to above? There are precise reports that people have already received their keynote access badges. Why Apple send these badges without a keynote planned?

No, for me it is quite clear that there was a keynote in the cards and for some reason that keynote has been cancelled.

[Powerdoc]

Since SJ has nothing really new to announce (no fantastic power pc products around), and don't want to face the public about the Intel transition thing, SJ has decided to cancel the keynote.

Good move, imagine, that he has to face insults and sarcasms ...

[gugy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DHagan4755
[(Oldest to Most Recent)

Xserve - January 4, 2005
PowerBook - January 31, 2005
Power Mac - April 27, 2005
eMac - May 3, 2005
iMac G5 - May 3, 2005
iPod - June 28, 2005
iBook - July 26, 2005
Mac Mini - July 26, 2005

To add to your post. The Powermac and Powerbook upgrades were ridiculous as well as the Mac Mini and Ibook. So, my feeling is that we are going to see updates to any possible machine in the current line up at any time. except the Imac that seems to had a more solid update.
What's makes me sad is the fact Apple is putting to much emphasis on the Ipod. I know is a cash cow, but as far as I remember Apple is called Apple Computer. so please put your focus back on the Computer.

[vinney57]

Surely this means Apple is doomed :lol: :lol: :lol:

[1984]

Originally posted by vinney57
Surely this means Apple is doomed :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, it's certainly not looking very good. I wouldn't invest in Apple at this point. They have pulled out of a lot of things at the last minute recently. The new switch campaign, the Mac mini promotion and now the keynote. There must be something major going on to cause all these distruptions.

[Emin]

Originally posted by DHagan4755
OK, so it looks as though the Paris Expo Keynote has been cancelled. We don't know if there was ever one scheduled in the first place.

That we know for sure. One of my friends did receive his keynote ticket just today in his mail.

[ThinkDifferent]

Originally posted by PB
Well, this must be a first for quite some time in Apple's history. People have already received (http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=185002915731&r=346003915731) their keynote badges, for an already cancelled keynote.

This is a good point, is there any truth to this?? Cause I don't see it posted on the usual copy cat sites?? Could it just be a mistake?

[ThinkDifferent]

Sorry looks pretty official, didn't see it on alll the other sites, but hey i can always dream that it is still on...

[ShadowX]

This could be a nice little psychological ploy by Apple to help tone down the pre-show hype/speculation/rumor by all of the fan sites and so called "insiders." Jobs is still going to be there, apparently. Who says he needs to have a formal keynote to introduce a new product or two?? ;)

[gugy]

wishful thinking!

Steve loves the buzz creates by keynotes. if is not going to have one means just one thing: no product announcements.

[iDave]

Originally posted by gugy
Steve loves the buzz creates by keynotes. if is not going to have one means just one thing: no product announcements.
That's true, to some extent. However, if PowerBooks go from a 1.67Ghz 7447 to a 1.7Ghz 7448, I'd guess Apple would prefer to introduce that with a simple press release and update to the Apple Store. And personally, I think that would be a nice upgrade since the bus speed would be a little faster and they would run cooler.

[vinney57]

Originally posted by 1984
Well, it's certainly not looking very good. I wouldn't invest in Apple at this point. They have pulled out of a lot of things at the last minute recently. The new switch campaign, the Mac mini promotion and now the keynote. There must be something major going on to cause all these distruptions.

Oh for goodness sake.... :no:

[gugy]

Originally posted by iDave
That's true, to some extent. However, if PowerBooks go from a 1.67Ghz 7447 to a 1.7Ghz 7448, I'd guess Apple would prefer to introduce that with a simple press release and update to the Apple Store. And personally, I think that would be a nice upgrade since the bus speed would be a little faster and they would run cooler.

Well, if you mean small updates, then yes we might see that. I agree with you. We probably might see even before Paris such small updates IMHO.
But Steve not going to stage means no MAJOR or NEW products updates or announcements. So forget the "amazing PPC products down the pipeline" at Paris.

[iDave]

Originally posted by gugy
Well, if you mean small updates, then yes we might see that. I agree with you. We probably might see even before Paris such small updates IMHO.
But Steve not going to stage means no MAJOR or NEW products updates or announcements. So forget the "amazing PPC products down the pipeline" at Paris.
At WWDC 2005 Steve Jobs said "we've got some great PowerPC products still yet to come." Lots of people read way too much into that statement; i.e. "we're gonna knock your socks off." He could have been referring to the recently updated iBook and mini for all we know. Steve is after all, a salesman on stage. What he refers to as "great PowerPC products yet to come" simply means more Macs with PowerPC processors. Whether or not we think they're amazing has nothing to do with it.

BTW, gugy, I'm not arguing with you. Just want to point out that people set themselves up for disappointment. Take another statement from Jobs: "This is the year of HD." He said that in January because he had just introduced a bunch of HD software. Yet people are expecting amazing new HD hardware as well.

Go figure.

[gugy]

I agree with you.
I don't get disappointed anymore. After WWDC and the last lame Powermac and Powerbooks updates, I have not expecting much at all from Apple anymore. Maybe when Intel comes in things might change. Till then don't see much.
Apple seems to be putting too much effort on the Ipod and forgot about their computer hardware.
I hope this will change.

[1984]

Originally posted by vinney57
Oh for goodness sake.... :no:

What's your problem? Do you actually think it's a good sign when a company continually makes plans, taking them through to the final stages and then backs out of them at the last minute? You don't find that the least bit odd?

They created an all new switch campaign, flew people out to film the commercials and then killed it. Then they created a new Mac mini test drive program, accepting orders through it and then killed it. Now, after mailing out keynote passes to people they are pulling out of this as well. All of this within the last month or so. Obviously something has gone wrong recently to cause all this. You just don't do these things on a whim.

It does not exactly inspire confidence in the marketplace.

[kresh]

hmm... I wonder if it has anything to do with how easy Tiger X86 was broken for generic procs using SSE2 and SSE3? I bet Steve got to looking around at how wicked and talented the hacking crowd was and blew a gasket?

It's kinda funny that some hackers beat Steve to the market with OSX86! I installed it on my son's E-Machine. If it gets a little more stable and the fat binaries pan out, I'm not sure I will ever buy a Mac again. Who cares if Macs have a useful life of 10 years. I'll just buy a cheapo current technology screamer, use it for a year, throw away and repeat.

I'm sure it's got Steve wondering at nights.

[Xool]

My guess is that Apple will pull out all the stops September 7th, and then quietly bump the PPC products sometime through October. This leaves a stable X-Mas season and new whiz-bang gear for the new year.

[JLL]

Originally posted by kresh
hmm... I wonder if it has anything to do with how easy Tiger X86 was broken for generic procs using SSE2 and SSE3? I bet Steve got to looking around at how wicked and talented the hacking crowd was and blew a gasket?

It's kinda funny that some hackers beat Steve to the market with OSX86! I installed it on my son's E-Machine. If it gets a little more stable and the fat binaries pan out, I'm not sure I will ever buy a Mac again. Who cares if Macs have a useful life of 10 years. I'll just buy a cheapo current technology screamer, use it for a year, throw away and repeat.

I'm sure it's got Steve wondering at nights.

You probably can't compare the DTK version with the final one since the DTK machine is just a regular Intel motherboard.

[snipe]

Originally posted by Xool
My guess is that Apple will pull out all the stops September 7th, and then quietly bump the PPC products sometime through October. This leaves a stable X-Mas season and new whiz-bang gear for the new year.

I'm with Xool on this one. Lets assume Apple is not stupid.
1- A public company that sells consumer electronics
2- The best showman/salesman since PT Barnum as its leader
3- With the cancellation of a Paris pitch The CEO/salesman has made it clear that this is his last public appearance till after Christmas
4- 40% of retail profits are allegedly made in the last qtr of the year
5- The market and the public already know about a moto/iTunes phone and are bored with the concept by now
6- The stock price and sales momentum are almost totally dependant on what Steve Jobs has to say on Wednesday. And, sorry to say, most of the market and the great unwashed don't give a damn about Macintosh computers. iPods and music get the ink (buzz). For those expecting a boring Moto manufactured iPhone that plays a few songs on the device I suggest you buy some September puts on Apple computer because you can retire after wednesday as the price of Apple stock drops. Personally I am going the other way. My money is on SJ wowing the press.

[sunilraman]

yeah, i think snipe has got it here. apple is just making sure they ride the iPod and iTunesPhone as hard as possible into early 2006.

there has been a LOT of second guessing (switch canning, mac mini 30day, keynote pullout) which means that they are just being extra cautious and i think trying to channel their energies to the key stuff that Steve + gang feel is most important. we will get to the bottom of this soonish...

we know that this essentially means that whatever PPC remains to be launched for this year, Steve is basically like, "whatevs, let's get it out the door" .... in approx 48hours i could be proven wrong but i strongly feel there will be NO new Mac announcements Sep 7th. iTunesPhone + new iPods is my guess. 50% chance ONLY iTunesPhone is announced

[PB]

Originally posted by Xool
My guess is that Apple will pull out all the stops September 7th...
Excuse me for the eventual misunderstanding, since English is not my mother tongue, but are you an organist by chance?

[sunilraman]

heh. english is like one of the weirdest languages in the world. usually only native english speakers really 'get' how weird it is... usa, uk, australian english, might as well be considered different dialects. my english is weird like this, because of growing up in malaysia, singapore, australia, usa, all the while, keeping "british english" as my ideal english, if only in my mind alone. :D

AFAIK "pull out all the stops" is a common english phrase, meaning, "to bring it on", or "to not hold back"....
i think most people nowadays probably don't realise it possibly came from its original use as related to playing those big (church, concert hall) organs.

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman

AFAIK "pull out all the stops" is a common english phrase, meaning, "to bring it on", or "to not hold back"....
i think most people nowadays probably don't realise it possibly came from its original use as related to playing those big (church, concert hall) organs.
That's what it means for me, pull out all the organ stops to play at full power. Perhaps it means today put all the force you have available to do something.

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by PB
That's what it means for me, pull out all the organ stops to play at full power. Perhaps it means today put all the force you have available to do something.

cool.... yeah, most english speakers nowadays commonly say "pull out all the stops" without ever having seen an actual organ stop.... that's progress for ya

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman
cool.... yeah, most english speakers nowadays commonly say "pull out all the stops" without ever having seen an actual organ stop.... that's progress for ya
For example, and since it is the Apple Expo Paris the event of the month (was anyway), here is the new console in the Notre Dame cathedral:

http://infopuq.uquebec.ca/~uss1010/orgues/france/ndamep8.jpg

Let's hope that Apple will play soon this organ "all stops pulled out" :D .

[dutch pear]

Cool, rumor-based speculatin' edutainment on AI :smokey: ;)

[sunilraman]

is there Intel or PowerPC in that organ? i'm confused, how does it make a sound if there is no computer or Roland chip in there? :p

[vinney57]

Originally posted by snipe
I'm with Xool on this one. Lets assume Apple is not stupid.
1- A public company that sells consumer electronics
2- The best showman/salesman since PT Barnum as its leader
3- With the cancellation of a Paris pitch The CEO/salesman has made it clear that this is his last public appearance till after Christmas
4- 40% of retail profits are allegedly made in the last qtr of the year
5- The market and the public already know about a moto/iTunes phone and are bored with the concept by now
6- The stock price and sales momentum are almost totally dependant on what Steve Jobs has to say on Wednesday. And, sorry to say, most of the market and the great unwashed don't give a damn about Macintosh computers. iPods and music get the ink (buzz). For those expecting a boring Moto manufactured iPhone that plays a few songs on the device I suggest you buy some September puts on Apple computer because you can retire after wednesday as the price of Apple stock drops. Personally I am going the other way. My money is on SJ wowing the press.


Yep! On the button snipester 8)

Now, where does the phrase 'on the button' originate from? Hmm?

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman
is there Intel or PowerPC in that organ? i'm confused, how does it make a sound if there is no computer or Roland chip in there? :p
From what the site says this (true pipe) historic organ is controlled by seven computers today, without telling what exactly. See here (http://infopuq.uquebec.ca/~uss1010/orgues/france/ndamep.html) for the history and the electronic system and here (http://infopuq.uquebec.ca/~uss1010/orgues/france/ndamep1.html) for pictures of the cathedral and the pipes.

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by PB
From what the site says this (true pipe) historic organ is controlled by seven computers today, without telling what exactly. See here (http://infopuq.uquebec.ca/~uss1010/orgues/france/ndamep.html) for the history and the electronic system and here (http://infopuq.uquebec.ca/~uss1010/orgues/france/ndamep1.html) for pictures of the cathedral and the pipes.

What? I thought you europeans are all "old skool"... that historic organ should be operating without any electronics or computers!!! :( :D

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman
What? I thought you europeans are all "old skool"...


That's why the pipes are still there in perfect operational condition.



that historic organ should be operating without any electronics or computers!!! :( :D
Why? You have around 7000 pipes, operated by five manuals and one pedal. How the manual touch is transmitted to the pipes as wind is not so relevant, especially when electronics removes many of the annoying machanical sounds and adds some welcome bonus.

But let's leave this organ in peace and look at what organ Apple will play these days :D .

[superted]

Originally posted by vinney57
Yep! On the button snipester 8)

Now, where does the phrase 'on the button' originate from? Hmm?

Hmm.... Curling perhaps? Not quite sure.

[AppleInsider]

Apple has reportedly canceled its opening keynote address at Apple Expo Paris, according to the event's Web site.

Previous reports had indicated that Apple chief executive Steve Jobs would kick-off the show in typical fashion, delivering at least one major product announcement. Several industry figures had also been told to expect to hear from the Apple co-founder at the show.

As recently as last week, the Apple Expo Web site stated that the Apple Expo 2005 Keynote presentation would be held at the Palais des Congrès in Paris, on Tuesday, 20 September at 10:00 am.

Visitors were encouraged to "register for this special event and receive your K-marked entry badge for the Keynote and Apple Expo."

However, this weekend show organizers changed the Web site to read "Apple Expo will not feature a formal keynote presentation at Palais des Congrès."

A representative for Apple Expo told The Mac Observer that show organizers were informed of Jobs' decision to back out of the keynote presentation over the weekend.

No formal explanation for the change in plans has been provided at this time.

According to reliable sources, at one point Apple was planning to introduce as many as three new PowerPC-based Macintosh models at the show, including new PowerBook G4 laptops. The new Macs are slated to include a fresh breed of processors from IBM and Freescale, which have caused, and may continue to cause, delays.

Jobs, along with several members of Apple's executive team, are still expected to attend the expo. [ View this article at AppleInsider.com ] (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1259)

[msantti]

Well, I guess Apple feels like they can milk the iPod for another Christmas. :\

[melgross]

I'm always amused when Jobs is accused of lying. I suppose then that everyone who expects something to occur and says so, but then has to back down because they found out otherwise is also lying.

Powerlogix told me that new 7457 boards would be out in early July. They still aren't here. did they lie because Freescale told them that they would have the chips and then failed to supply them?

What is all this eagerness to accuse someone of lying? It would be stupid for someone in Jobs' position to lie about these matters because they would then be caught out. It's bad enough when your supplier is assuming that everything is going well, but then at the last minute finds out otherwise.

So far the market today doesn't find this to be a problem as the stock is up over two points.

I'm feel sure that Apple will be coming out with new PPC machines. The question is when.

[melgross]

I just read this;

http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/iScVeNqIDa5trF/Jobs-Declines-Keynote-Speech-for-Paris-Expo.xhtml

What is interesting is that they say that they were told that Jobs and other executives would be available to talk to the media.

So we might find out something about what happened after all.

[gugy]

I think many of you guys are setting yourselves to disappointment Sept. 7. I hope to be wrong, but, I don't see too much excitement behind and Itunes Phone or possibly 5th generation Ipod.
The keynote canceling is a proof of how bad things are at Apple. This was a very lame year. With the exception of the Mac Mini that was a good addition to the line up but not one a performance impressive one, we have not seem much at all.
What happened to the year of HD? what happened to the great PPC products down the pipeline?. I see too many empty promises.

Now we have slow Powermacs and Powerbooks and no exciting performance improvements until Intel kicks in. That's not good since we are expecting the transition to finish in 2007. That's a long time.

So what's going to happen?

[melgross]

Originally posted by gugy
I think many of you guys are setting yourselves to disappointment Sept. 7. I hope to be wrong, but, I don't see too much excitement behind and Itunes Phone or possibly 5th generation Ipod.
The keynote canceling is a proof of how bad things are at Apple. This was a very lame year. With the exception of the Mac Mini that was a good addition to the line up but not one a performance impressive one, we have not seem much at all.
What happened to the year of HD? what happened to the great PPC products down the pipeline?. I see too many empty promises.

Now we have slow Powermacs and Powerbooks and no exciting performance improvements until Intel kicks in. That's not good since we are expecting the transition to finish in 2007. That's a long time.

So what's going to happen?

Someone must think something good is happening. My real time trade program tells me that Apple is up 2.5 points right now to $48.80.

[snipe]

Originally posted by melgross
Someone must think something good is happening. My real time trade program tells me that Apple is up 2.5 points right now to $48.80.


and on big volume... 18 million shares in 3 hours

[gugy]

Like I said: I hope to be wrong!

[melgross]

Originally posted by gugy
Like I said: I hope to be wrong!

I certainly hope so!

[melgross]

What happened to the kenaustus post that I just got notification about?

[aplnub]

I apologize, Jobs has never lied. Where would I get such a silly notion.

Regards,

3 GHz G5 chip




Originally posted by melgross
I'm always amused when Jobs is accused of lying. I suppose then that everyone who expects something to occur and says so, but then has to back down because they found out otherwise is also lying.

Powerlogix told me that new 7457 boards would be out in early July. They still aren't here. did they lie because Freescale told them that they would have the chips and then failed to supply them?

What is all this eagerness to accuse someone of lying? It would be stupid for someone in Jobs' position to lie about these matters because they would then be caught out. It's bad enough when your supplier is assuming that everything is going well, but then at the last minute finds out otherwise.

So far the market today doesn't find this to be a problem as the stock is up over two points.

I'm feel sure that Apple will be coming out with new PPC machines. The question is when.

[melgross]

Originally posted by aplnub
I apologize, Jobs has never lied. Where would I get such a silly notion.

Regards,

3 GHz G5 chip

Oh please. Grow up.

[aplnub]

Originally posted by melgross
Oh please. Grow up.

Look, you saying I was quick to accuse him is as bad as me saying he lied. So let's both grow up.

The truth is this, he said he had some great PPC products to come, 3 months later and no more than 9 months to go till Mactel, we have to yet to see any of this. As each day goes by, the chance dwindles that anything "great" will appear.

I guess we will see in 9 months, I will set a calendar reminder to revist this thread and eat crow if need be. ;)

[oberpongo]

Well my guess is that SJ just doesn't want to hold to big Events in one Month.
So he will introduce everything (13.3 PB, DualCore PowerMacs and the iTunes Phone) tomorrow in one huge event.

[melgross]

Originally posted by aplnub
Look, you saying I was quick to accuse him is as bad as me saying he lied. So let's both grow up.

The truth is this, he said he had some great PPC products to come, 3 months later and no more than 9 months to go till Mactel, we have to yet to see any of this. As each day goes by, the chance dwindles that anything "great" will appear.

I guess we will see in 9 months, I will set a calendar reminder to revist this thread and eat crow if need be. ;)

Look, he didn't lie. It's that simple. Don't pretend your putting down 3GHz G5 wasn't meant the way I took it because it was.

I'm getting tired of this childish business of accusing him when something beyond Apple's control happens. Perhaps he should have said "IBM says". But it shouldn't have been required.

He expected it to happen, we expected it to happen. It didn't. Get over it.

Until Apple goes over to x86 entirely, we won't know what they will be coming out with. Just because YOU expect something at a particular time doesn't mean that they have to adhere to your schedule.

If 7448's and G5 fx's and MP's aren't available in sufficient quantities yet, then Apple won't announce. It's that simple. It's happened before.

Remember a year ago Apple discontinued the old iMacs because they were going to announce the new iMac G5's? It didn't happen because IBM didn't have enough chips. What if Jobs had announced them in March? Would he have lied? No. Of course not. He expected them to be available in June. He was lucky that he didn't say anything at that time.

[ThinkDifferent]

THIS JUST IN:
Apple has suddenly cancelled tomorrows special event, with no explanation as to why...

[aplnub]

Yes, it was meant that way and I am not trying to pretend it wasn't. My point was we are both on the extreme sides of this argument.

The fact is, Steve has told a big one, even if it wasn't his fault, and that can't be changed nor does he get a freebie because a supplier was a fault.

As far as "something out of his control" goes, I have to to accountable for my actions at my work and the same applies to Steve. Your giving Steve a get out of jail free card because someone else gave him the screw, I am saying, if you don't know, then don't say.

Expectations are great, when they are given in that context.

So I think we have concluded that Steve has lied in the past and I guess we will see what happens when the dust settles in 9 months...





Originally posted by melgross
Look, he didn't lie. It's that simple. Don't pretend your putting down 3GHz G5 wasn't meant the way I took it because it was.

I'm getting tired of this childish business of accusing him when something beyond Apple's control happens. Perhaps he should have said "IBM says". But it shouldn't have been required.

He expected it to happen, we expected it to happen. It didn't. Get over it.

Until Apple goes over to x86 entirely, we won't know what they will be coming out with. Just because YOU expect something at a particular time doesn't mean that they have to adhere to your schedule.

If 7448's and G5 fx's and MP's aren't available in sufficient quantities yet, then Apple won't announce. It's that simple. It's happened before.

Remember a year ago Apple discontinued the old iMacs because they were going to announce the new iMac G5's? It didn't happen because IBM didn't have enough chips. What if Jobs had announced them in March? Would he have lied? No. Of course not. He expected them to be available in June. He was lucky that he didn't say anything at that time.

[melgross]

Originally posted by aplnub
Yes, it was meant that way and I am not trying to pretend it wasn't. My point was we are both on the extreme sides of this argument.

The fact is, Steve has told a big one, even if it wasn't his fault, and that can't be changed nor does he get a freebie because a supplier was a fault.

As far as "something out of his control" goes, I have to to accountable for my actions at my work and the same applies to Steve. Your giving Steve a get out of jail free card because someone else gave him the screw, I am saying, if you don't know, then don't say.

Expectations are great, when they are given in that context.

So I think we have concluded that Steve has lied in the past and I guess we will see what happens when the dust settles in 9 months...

You're just continuing this silliness. He didn't tell a"big one". That would mean that he KNEW in advance that it wouldn't happen. Is that what you're saying? That he knew that IBM couldn't deliver what they said they would? Because that would have been a lie.

Even though I was a partner in my two business's over the years, that didn't mean that I would have lied if I told a client that my supplier had a new product coming up in a couple of months, and it didn't happen.

We all must rely on information supplied by others. If at all possible independent research must be done. But that isn't always possible. Kodak, Agfa, Fuji and others screwed us at times over the years. That's not my fault. My customers and clients understood that. And yes, they weren't happy about the result.

An incident I can relate; When Kodak discontinued internegative film (to make prints from transparencies), Fuji assured us that they would continue production for the "forseeable future". I told my clients that we wouldn't have a problem for some time, based on that. One month later Fuji discontinued it. We had to try to buy up as much as we could, at the same time everyone else was doing the same. Did I lie? No. did Fuji lie? I don't think so because at the time they said it, they meant it. The situation changed and they re=evaluated their decision.

That's the way it works.

I'm not being extreme. I'm being reasonable. Maybe it's because I've been in business a long time and have seen how it works.

[Gene Clean]

You NEVER promise anything if you are not sure its gonna be available 100% or not.

If you make that promise, not only are you a bad salesmen, but you are also a LIAR.

Wether intentional, or not.

[melgross]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
You NEVER promise anything if you are not sure its gonna be available 100% or not.

If you make that promise, not only are you a bad salesmen, but you are also a LIAR.

Wether intentional, or not.

Oh, here we go. That's just plain stupid. No one EVER knows for certain whether something will or won't happen. It's impossible. You must have "lied" yourself numerous times during your life then.

There seems to be a lack of understanding as to what the word "lie" means. It's the intentional dissemination of information known to be false.

One can be mistaken without being a liar. One can be assured of something, only to find those assurances to be wrong. Who is the liar then? Was it the IBM executives who, no doubt, told him that it would be done? Was it the guys in the plant who thought that everything was up to specs? How about the engineers who designed the chips? Or the researchers who had no idea that there would be such leakage problems?

I'm just going to presume that you guys are joking at this point.

[vinney57]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
You NEVER promise anything if you are not sure its gonna be available 100% or not.

If you make that promise, not only are you a bad salesmen, but you are also a LIAR.

Wether intentional, or not.


Well that's the most stupid post I have seen in a long time. You can never be 100% sure of ANYTHING in this life.. how old are you, 12?

If it is not your intention to decieve then you are not lying.

Moron.

[ouragan]

Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America, in part because Apple is not paying more than 25% of the cost of developping and producing higher frequency G4 and G5 chips. And Apple Computer wouldn't commit to buying more than a 2 weeks supply of chips until it could assess consumer demand for new computer models.

The WWDC 2005 announcement of a platform move to Intel chips has produced a number of negative impacts:

a) Motorola and IBM will face a huge loss from the cancellation of G4 and G5 chip development;

b) Motorola and IBM will no longer subsidize the salary of "the highest paid CEO in America" by giving away chips below the cost of production;

c) Consumer demand for G4 PowerBooks, even with a new MPC 7448 CPU, is lukewarm at best;

d) Consumer demand for G5 PowerMacs is waining while pro customers wait for PowerPC 970 MP PowerMacs which will not come unless Apple Computer pays IBM the full cost of PowerPC 970 MP chips and commits to buying a substantial number of chips.

The only way Apple Computer could reduce the loss of market share is by making drastic price cuts even though it is facing a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.

Steve Jobs & Co. have decided to minimize the loss of market share by not commenting on it through a keynote address. And they have decided to reduce the financial losses of Apple Computer by not making drastic price cuts and not paying a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.

Apple Computer will not anounce new Intel computer models before MacWorld San Francisco 2006 to be delivered between mid-February and mid-April 2006, following a long tradition of waiting for new models announced at MacWorld SF.

Did you really believe that the change to an all Intel platform would go smoothly? The change was needed and will benefit Mac customers in the long run, but the abrasive and self delusional personality of Steve Jobs made matters worse for Apple Computer's business relationship with its two chip suppliers.

If I were an Apple Computer stockholder, I would sell everything in a New York minute before New York stock analysts realize the precarious financials of Apple Computer for the coming 8-10 months.



Pierre
Gatineau (Quebec)

[wilco]

Originally posted by ouragan

Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America, in part because Apple is not paying more than 25% of the cost of developping and producing higher frequency G4 and G5 chips. And Apple Computer wouldn't commit to buying more than a 2 weeks supply of chips until it could assess consumer demand for new computer models.

The WWDC 2005 announcement of a platform move to Intel chips has produced a number of negative impacts:

a) Motorola and IBM will face a huge loss from the cancellation of G4 and G5 chip development;

b) Motorola and IBM will no longer subsidize the salary of "the highest paid CEO in America" by giving away chips below the cost of production;

c) Consumer demand for G4 PowerBooks, even with a new MPC 7448 CPU, is lukewarm at best;

d) Consumer demand for G5 PowerMacs is waining while pro customers wait for PowerPC 970 MP PowerMacs which will not come unless Apple Computer pays IBM the full cost of PowerPC 970 MP chips and commits to buying a substantial number of chips.

The only way Apple Computer could reduce the loss of market share is by making drastic price cuts even though it is facing a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.

Steve Jobs & Co. have decided to minimize the loss of market share by not commenting on it through a keynote address. And they have decided to reduce the financial losses of Apple Computer by not making drastic price cuts and not paying a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.

Apple Computer will not anounce new Intel computer models before MacWorld San Francisco 2006 to be delivered between mid-February and mid-April 2006, following a long tradition of waiting for new models announced at MacWorld SF.

Did you really believe that the change to an all Intel platform would go smoothly? The change was needed and will benefit Mac customers in the long run, but the abrasive and self delusional personality of Steve Jobs made matters worse for Apple Computer's business relationship with its two chip suppliers.

If I were an Apple Computer stockholder, I would sell everything in a New York minute before New York stock analysts realize the precarious financials of Apple Computer for the coming 8-10 months.



Pierre
Gatineau (Quebec)

I ignored this because you used big type.

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by vinney57
Well that's the most stupid post I have seen in a long time. You can never be 100% sure of ANYTHING in this life.. how old are you, 12?

Moron.

Oh, thanks. Your post stand high up there while mine (according to you) is down there somewhere. I am simply astonished with your eloquence of writing and clear thoughts expressed in the above quoted post. Compared to mine, yours is pure genius.

The point is, you don't make public promises if you're not absolutely sure that you will have what is needed. Why doesn't HP hold a Keynote and claim "We will have 16 Ghz by next year, Intel said so!" ? Why doesn't Dell? Anyone? Because they are smart enough not to promise things of which they are not certain of.

If you failed to see what I said in my 'stupid' post (together with melgross) then I'm afraid that you have a comprehension problem. Or you don't have the necessary 'processing power' (is it 3 Ghz? :lol: ) to 'process' those simple words.


If it is not your intention to decieve then you are not lying.

What part of this did you not see, genius?

Wether intentional, or not.

In any case, fuck off loser.

[esXXI]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
What part of this did you not see, genius?

In any case, fuck off loser.

So someone calls you immature (for your point of view) and what do you do? Flame.

Yeah that really is mature.

The dictionary says a lie is 'an intentionally false statement' - Jobs did not intentional misinform people, hence: he did not lie. Was he right to pre-announce 3GHz? No, but just because he was foolish to do so does not make him a lier.

If you really think so then you're just not using words for their intended purpose.

[melgross]

Originally posted by ouragan

Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America, in part because Apple is not paying more than 25% of the cost of developping and producing higher frequency G4 and G5 chips. And Apple Computer wouldn't commit to buying more than a 2 weeks supply of chips until it could assess consumer demand for new computer models.

The WWDC 2005 announcement of a platform move to Intel chips has produced a number of negative impacts:

a) Motorola and IBM will face a huge loss from the cancellation of G4 and G5 chip development;

b) Motorola and IBM will no longer subsidize the salary of "the highest paid CEO in America" by giving away chips below the cost of production;

c) Consumer demand for G4 PowerBooks, even with a new MPC 7448 CPU, is lukewarm at best;

d) Consumer demand for G5 PowerMacs is waining while pro customers wait for PowerPC 970 MP PowerMacs which will not come unless Apple Computer pays IBM the full cost of PowerPC 970 MP chips and commits to buying a substantial number of chips.

The only way Apple Computer could reduce the loss of market share is by making drastic price cuts even though it is facing a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.

Steve Jobs & Co. have decided to minimize the loss of market share by not commenting on it through a keynote address. And they have decided to reduce the financial losses of Apple Computer by not making drastic price cuts and not paying a huge price increase for new G4 and G5 chips.

Apple Computer will not anounce new Intel computer models before MacWorld San Francisco 2006 to be delivered between mid-February and mid-April 2006, following a long tradition of waiting for new models announced at MacWorld SF.

Did you really believe that the change to an all Intel platform would go smoothly? The change was needed and will benefit Mac customers in the long run, but the abrasive and self delusional personality of Steve Jobs made matters worse for Apple Computer's business relationship with its two chip suppliers.

If I were an Apple Computer stockholder, I would sell everything in a New York minute before New York stock analysts realize the precarious financials of Apple Computer for the coming 8-10 months.



Pierre
Gatineau (Quebec)

What are you talking about? What does Job's salary have to do with PPC development? Apple doesn't pay for any of that. It was suggested that perhaps Apple should, if they wanted IBM to do more. Also I don't know where you've been reading about this 2 week commitment. Perhaps from unhappy readers? It isn't done that way.

Try to keep up with developments. Motorola doesn't make PPC chips anymore. This will SAVE Freescale and IBM development money if they decide to discontinue the line of development that Apple needed. Though in Freescales case Apple was(is) just buying embedded CPU's and using them.

Freescale and IBM NEVER sold chips to Apple below cost.

It's true that PB sales are slacking.

The first half of that is true. Powermac sales have slowed, and need an injection. The second half is still untrue.

You may not have noticed but Apple's marketshare has been going up. From 2.8% to 3.7% to 4.5%.

This next paragraph isn't worthy of a rebuttal. It just repeats the same errors.

We don't expect any Mactel models to be announced at SF.

Nothing goes smoothly it the world of computers. We hope for the best.

I have a lot of stock, and I don't agree with that.

[melgross]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
Oh, thanks. Your post stand high up there while mine (according to you) is down there somewhere. I am simply astonished with your eloquence of writing and clear thoughts expressed in the above quoted post. Compared to mine, yours is pure genius.

The point is, you don't make public promises if you're not absolutely sure that you will have what is needed. Why doesn't HP hold a Keynote and claim "We will have 16 Ghz by next year, Intel said so!" ? Why doesn't Dell? Anyone? Because they are smart enough not to promise things of which they are not certain of.

If you failed to see what I said in my 'stupid' post (together with melgross) then I'm afraid that you have a comprehension problem. Or you don't have the necessary 'processing power' (is it 3 Ghz? :lol: ) to 'process' those simple words.




What part of this did you not see, genius?



In any case, fuck off loser.

Just because your grasp of the English language has been deteriorating as of late it doesn't mean that I must go along with it.

You can make up your own definitions, but then you will be the only who understands them. 10.4 has a built-in dictionary. Use it.

[gugy]

Originally posted by esXXI
So someone calls you immature (for your point of view) and what do you do? Flame.

Yeah that really is mature.

The dictionary says a lie is 'an intentionally false statement' - Jobs did not intentional misinform people, hence: he did not lie. Was he right to pre-announce 3GHz? No, but just because he was foolish to do so does not make him a lier.

If you really think so then you're just not using words for their intended purpose.

Thanks for your quote. It explains exactly what happened. Jobs is not a liar. He was just "maybe" immature to make such statement. He should know better by now and hopefully he will be more careful with his words.

And Gene Clean grow up. You are the loser here for using fool language. If you can't prove your point using proper language then keep you mouth or keyboard shut.

[sunilraman]

whoa... chill peoples? what the hell? i wake up today and you all are all over each other like Zergs and Terrans (i wont say which ones are Zergs and which are Terrans) :err:

look, okay, it appears the definition of lying is not as simple as what we learnt growing up.

that said, there's a few clear things going on:
-it is clear that apple has failed to control its supply chain well enough in these past few years
-hence, steve and team had to make tough decisions to drop IBM and Freescale's ass quicksmart
-supply chain is very important, imagine if Dell said tomorrow, oh, sorry, we are running out of hard disks so everyone is stuck at 80gb 4200rpm for the next 3 months. exaggerated, yes, but just to illustrate.

if this turns out to be a Freescale and/or IBM screw up, i'm sure nobody in the world would be more pissed off than stevie J. he does not like being made the fool over and over and over and over again, regardless if one thinks he is a habitual liar or not.

no speaker looks forward to cancelling keynotes at the very last minute unless something seriously jacks up. the event planners aren't too pleased either, i worked for event planning for a few years in SF, i had *never* seen a keynote cancellation like this for Oracle, Cisco, PeopleSoft events of up to 10,000 attendees. something is up.

at least steve and co have the balls/ovaries to show up and face the angry mobs
...................

[vinney57]

Worst thread ever... somebody please kill it.

[sunilraman]

Pierre, i would say that you are right on the money, except for this little thing called the iPod ;) . and also, Apple accounts for a smaller part of Freescale business than you would think.... IBM, if they are so fantastic, then i presume that the xbox and ps3 will come off really well and delivered on time, well, we'll see.

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by vinney57
Worst thread ever... somebody please kill it.

but aren't you glad you learned the origins of the phrase "to pull out all the stops"??? :D :( :(

[gregmightdothat]

Originally posted by ouragan

Steve Jobs was the highest paid CEO in America

Right, his annual $1 salary sets him so far above everyone on this list: http://biz.yahoo.com/special/ceo05.html

[Spork Heidelberg]

The new Macs are slated to include a fresh breed of processors from IBM and Freescale, which have caused, and may continue to cause, delays.

The more I think about it, the happier I am that Apple is kicking IBM and (eventually) Freescale to the curb. IBM's continued delays have cost Apple market share, something IBM seems to have in common with Motorola (now Freescale).

I hated Intel as much as the next Mac loving computer user, but it'll be nice to get supplies of the newest processors at the same time Dell, HP, Gateway, and other PeeCee makers do. Then we'll really see if OS X can beat Windoze Vista running on similar hardware.

[Guartho]

Originally posted by kresh
It's kinda funny that some hackers beat Steve to the market with OSX86! I installed it on my son's E-Machine. If it gets a little more stable and the fat binaries pan out, I'm not sure I will ever buy a Mac again. Who cares if Macs have a useful life of 10 years. I'll just buy a cheapo current technology screamer, use it for a year, throw away and repeat.

I'm sure it's got Steve wondering at nights.

You know what would be even easier on your wallet? When it's time for a new computer, just wait outside you local Apple store after everyone has gone for the night. Then pick up a nice sized rock and chunk it through the window. Run in, grab whichever Mac/Macs you want and run out before the cops show up. This way you can have a new Mac whenever you want and never have to pay for it! I'm not sure you'll ever buy a Mac again. Who cares if a Macs have a useful life of 10 years. Just take what you want, use it for a year, throw away and repeat! I'm sure it'll have Steve wondering at nights. :no:

[melgross]

Responded to wrong post.

[Guartho]

I think he's just talking about genuine Macs with intel being similar hardware to Dell's latest and greatest. I don't think he's talking about running OSX on a generic PC like the guy I quoted a moment ago.

[melgross]

Originally posted by Guartho
I think he's just talking about genuine Macs with intel being similar hardware to Dell's latest and greatest. I don't think he's talking about running OSX on a generic PC like the guy I quoted a moment ago.

Oops, you're right. Wrong post. It's too early for me. I'll have to correct it.

Thanks.

[audiopollution]

Let's keep the vulgarity out of the thread, please.

PM each other insults, if you'd like.

[AquaMac]

Originally posted by audiopollution
Let's keep the vulgarity out of the thread, please.
PM each other insults, if you'd like. Unfortunately these threads at AI are disintegrating into these, 'Sky is Falling' posts buy the uninformed or vulgar pettifoggery, way too often.
On topic — Apple is one of the most innovative comsumer electronics companies on earth. It is no surprise things do not go as planned for them. Things are much better for Apple to make new software and hardware then MS trying to get Visnada out the door.