Illegal aliens and the Communist Party

[southside grabowski]

Am I the only one here who sees the link between all of these illegal alien actions and the communist party? The communists are clearly behind this movement of protests and walk outs. May 1 walkout? Mayday? Pure communism. They want to devide America. They use confusion, disinformation, rewriting of history and pure lies to try to win their battle against America and capitalism. Noone should walk out of work May1. Those who do are useful idiots to the communist party.

[audiopollution]

Yes, it's just you.

[Gene Clean]

OMG they're deviding America!11eleventybillion

[southside grabowski]

These are the same communist agitators we see in the anti-war rallies, environmental rallies and the like. They attach themselves to causes and then manipulate simple-minded people. This is very dangerous stuff.

[Alex London]

Southside, I think you admitting that you've been manipulated is the first step to your recovery. I salute you.

[addabox]

Odd. I seem to remember another member who used to post things so cartoonishly "right wing" as to appear to be a joke.

Coincidence, probably.

[audiopollution]

Originally posted by addabox
Odd. I seem to remember another member who used to post things so cartoonishly "right wing" as to appear to be a joke.

Coincidence, probably.

That's a common mistake. Southside is his own man.

Most likely he's from a southern state. Possibly Texas.

[MarcUK]

Originally posted by addabox
Odd. I seem to remember another member who used to post things so cartoonishly "right wing" as to appear to be a joke.

Coincidence, probably.

It would be more funny if he was genuine.

[hardeeharhar]

May Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day) is more American than apple pie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_pie).

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by audiopollution
That's a common mistake. Southside is his own man.

Most likely he's from a southern state. Possibly Texas.

Are we to understand from your words that southside is a Common Man that hails from Texas?

[audiopollution]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
Are we to understand from your words that southside is a Common Man that hails from Texas?

Moest certainly.

[Placebo]

I think he's kidding.

[ShawnJ]

If so, I wouldn't want to play this guy in poker. At least three different names and he hasn't flinched yet.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Originally posted by audiopollution
Moest certainly.
Funniest post currently on any forum on the internet.

[addabox]

Well, you know my theory: Moeside Tex from Grabass has been raised in an isolated cabin by unreconstructed John Birchers to be an entirely uncontaminated creature of mid-fifties right wing rhetoric.

Sort of like the Brendan Fraser character in "Blast From the Past".

[hardeeharhar]

Adda, I think you mean Encino Man (http://imdb.com/title/tt0104187/).

(I personally think it is sad that they tried the same movie plot with the same actor and failed twice).

[Placebo]

Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Funniest post currently on any forum on the internet.
You broke its spell by acknowledging the fact.

[bergz]

(I personally think it is sad that they tried the same movie plot with the same actor and failed twice).

thrice.

http://www.markdroberts.com/images/george-jungle-3.jpg

--B

[addabox]

Yep.

Brendan Fraser, good hearted clueless hunky dork guy, the movies just spring up around him.

Blast From the Past (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124298/)
has Brendon growing up in a fallout shelter (Dad thought WWIII had started and squirreled the family away) and emerging into modern LA with a head full of 50s ideology.

But, surprise! Girls really go for that old fashioned real man with genteel ways stuff, which he has miraculously acquired while living his entire life in a tiny room underground with his parents.

I guess the "Crazy motherfucker pops out of his hole in the ground and goes on a killing spree until the first time he sees a girl whereupon his head explodes" version didn't test that well.

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by bergz
thrice.

http://www.markdroberts.com/images/george-jungle-3.jpg

--B

Touche.

[Placebo]

Originally posted by addabox

I guess the "Crazy motherfucker pops out of his hole in the ground and goes on a killing spree until the first time he sees a girl whereupon his head explodes" version didn't test that well.

I woulda watched.

[thuh Freak]

Originally posted by southside grabowski
Am I the only one here who sees the link between all of these illegal alien actions and the communist party? The communists are clearly behind this movement of protests and walk outs. May 1 walkout? Mayday? Pure communism. They want to devide America. They use confusion, disinformation, rewriting of history and pure lies to try to win their battle against America and capitalism. Noone should walk out of work May1. Those who do are useful idiots to the communist party.
duh? the communists have been on the rise for over a decade and a half. the ussr never really fell, they just went into hiding. i think its important for all freedom loving americans to walk out of work, march down to the protests, and throw molotovs. that'll learn em. damn red bastards.

[midwinter]

Originally posted by addabox

I guess the "Crazy motherfucker pops out of his hole in the ground and goes on a killing spree until the first time he sees a girl whereupon his head explodes" version didn't test that well.

Actually, that Brendan Frasier movie was called The Passion of Darkly Noon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114099/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9ZGFya2 x5IG5vb258ZnQ9MXxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8Y289MXxodG1sPTF8 bm09MQ__;fc=1;ft=23), and it is pretty friggin' creepy. The cast isn't too shabby, either.

[southside grabowski]

Hold the knee jerk responses and pay attention. Communism is alive and well and wants to destroy capitalism. Think not for a moment that communist organizations don't jump into ever controversy they find with the goal of dividing Americans and pushing their left agenda. You will find them at anti-war rallies, green rallies and at these immigration rallies. You will find the communist finger in every pie with potential to poison the American way. Don’t be so naive! Please!


http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/domestic-terrorist-group-behind-immigrant-rallies/


And let it be known that I am Moe Luby. I decided to return because there are so many important issues. I use Southside when I post at Lonestartimes.com so I decided to use it here too. Lonestartimes gets boring because evryone agrees.

[midwinter]

Jesus, I'm confused. Are we back in the 50s again?

[southside grabowski]

Originally posted by midwinter
Jesus, I'm confused. Are we back in the 50s again?

No. Look at leadership changes in Latin America. Communism and Socialism are on the rise.

http://www.stoptheftaa.org/artman/publish/article_155.shtml

[addabox]

Originally posted by midwinter
Actually, that Brendan Frasier movie was called The Passion of Darkly Noon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114099/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9ZGFya2 x5IG5vb258ZnQ9MXxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8Y289MXxodG1sPTF8 bm09MQ__;fc=1;ft=23), and it is pretty friggin' creepy. The cast isn't too shabby, either.

Holy shit.

[midwinter]

Originally posted by addabox
Holy shit.

It's worth watching, IIRC. That is, I liked it when I saw it a bazillion years ago.

As an aside: I'm actually quite a fan of Frasier's. He makes interesting little movies like Darkly Noon or Gods and Monsters (fantastic!) and campy action movies like the Mummy movies and family movies like all those others. I like it when actors make a range of films.

[addabox]

Originally posted by midwinter
It's worth watching, IIRC. That is, I liked it when I saw it a bazillion years ago.

As an aside: I'm actually quite a fan of Frasier's. He makes interesting little movies like Darkly Noon or Gods and Monsters (fantastic!) and campy action movies like the Mummy movies and family movies like all those others. I like it when actors make a range of films.

I'm with you there, Gods and Monsters was excellent.

Also liked his work in "The Quiet American" and "Crash".

Now that you mention it, I can't think of another actor whose parts swing so radically between really really silly and pretty heavy duty. Maybe it's his quality of slightly inscrutable earnestness that lends itself to both "Dudley Do-Right" and "guy in over his head and not really dealing very well".

Hopefully there are more substantial roles in his future and he won't get ghettoized as "guy who works well with cartoons or in cartoons".

[addabox]

Hmmmm......

Internet Movie Database shows upcoming for Brendan: voice work for the animated feature "Big Bug Man", as well as the lead in "Journey to the End of the NIght", wherein " a son and his father are separately plotting to escape the desolation of their lives in the lurid underworld of Brazil's sex industry..."

So business as usual for Brendan, then.

[midwinter]

Originally posted by addabox
Maybe it's his quality of slightly inscrutable earnestness

If you watch Darkly Noon, make sure you keep this comment in mind. ;)

[trick fall]

While it is incredibly difficult to take this thread at all seriously, with the exception of the excellent discussion of Brendan Fraser's film career, perhaps Southside could spend some time ruminating on how the complete failure of right wing republican policies is helping to bring socialism back into fashion. ;)

[addabox]

Maybe it would be interesting to consider what socialism signifies in a post Soviet world.

A Red Menace without Russia and a cold war isn't really the same thing, is it?

Is it possible that systems of economic organization aside from laissez faire capitalism might have a chance to stand or fall on their merits, now that everything doesn't have to be filtered through domino theories?

Or do we just, ala Venezuela, start calling states that don't do our monetary bidding "terrorist", and replicate the logistics of the Cold War under new terminology?

And how did "Capitalism" get so utterly bound up, in the American imagination, with "moral" and "good", anyway? Why do states with different approaches always have to be relegated to some kind of sinister shadow world of dark motivations and totalitarian impulses?

[Chucker]

Two of the main factors of why "communism" (itself a very ambiguous term anyway, not to mention usually used incorrectly, at least per Marx*) is perceived by so many people as "inherently bad":
1) By Marx's ideas, it promotes atheism. As such, promoters of communistic ideas are considered 'Godless' and, perhaps on a broader level, 'severely lacking in ethics'.
2) Pretty much all examples of attempts at a socialistic / nearly* communistic structure so far sadly involve(d) more or less severe forms of despotism, with Stalinism as the extreme example. This has little to do whatsoever with the ideals Marx was trying to promote, yet you cannot blame people to make the association. This is further strengthened by 1).

*) Marx's idea of communism involves the lack of government, i.e. an anarchy in political context; communism in that sense is completely self-governed by the people for the people. Therefore, per Marx, what people call 'communism' is usually 'socialism'.

[Gene Clean]

A stateless social organization that's based upon common ownership is in no way similar to anarchy. Even Marx himself argued that the capitalist society could not be transformed to a society based on the communist common ownership of the means of production, which is why he suggested that the state serve as a transitional body. He called that, 'the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat'.

Anarchy, on the other hand, is mostly limited to the international scene, rather than the local one, and it stipulates that there should be no supranational actors in the international scene, the obvious goal being the supression of the creation of so-called superpowers, or in general terms, anarchy is the lack of an international sovereign government, one that could coerce others into doing what it wanted to do.

[Chucker]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
A stateless social organization that's based upon common ownership is in no way similar to anarchy.

An anarchy is a completely government-less society. No more, no less.

Communism would have rules, but it wouldn't have anyone enforcing that rules, so it could easily collapse into chaos (much like anarchy), but it could also work by everyone respecting each other. Trouble is, you can't trust all humans to do the right thing.

Even Marx himself argued that the capitalist society could not be transformed to a society based on the communist common ownership of the means of production, which is why he suggested that the state serve as a transitional body. He called that, 'the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat'.

Exactly, and that's socialism. You have a government, but it's essentially there to slowly transform the country into a government-less society.

Anarchy, on the other hand, is mostly limited to the international scene,

Not in my book. I don't see anything in the term "anarchy" that is international. To me, it's very much national.

[southside grabowski]

We hate communism because it takes away a man’s will to excel. Capitalism inspires a man to better himself because there is no limit to how much a man can accomplish. Why do you think so many people want to come to the US? Most don't come for handouts; they come for a chance to use our capitalistic system to build something for themselves and their families. Neither communism nor socialism gives a man such opportunity. A man with a shovel can get a job in America and then he can start his own company. This is what makes America and capitalism so great.

From what I have heard, the local rally organizers in Houston through the communists out of the rally park. Good for them.

[midwinter]

I'm curious, Moe. What other organizations are either a front for or are in league with the Communists?

[hardeeharhar]

What about women, Moe?

I know (http://www.missouritrailertrash.com/page1.htm) you (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0385296/) are (http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3518560) wrong (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/thegeocodingproject/webpage/pdfs/05_krieger%20et%20al%20_truer%20picture_feb_ajph.p df).

[southside grabowski]

Originally posted by midwinter
I'm curious, Moe. What other organizations are either a front for or are in league with the Communists?

Where else do you find them?

Strikes, green rallies, anti military rallies, homosexual agenda rallies and on and on.


The folks who are sincere about these causes are not communists. The communists take advanage of these issues as an opportunity to spread their agenda. The communists don't give a rat's behind about Mexicans. They are just using them for their agenda.

[hardeeharhar]

Oh come on Moe, wouldn't they also infiltrate wealthy conservative groups to push to head their classist issues?

If I were a communist, I would ask some of my communist brethren to make certain that the toppling of the classed society occurs not only from the bottom but also from the top..

[Chucker]

Originally posted by southside grabowski
homosexual agenda rallies

I think we can end the discussion right there. Linking communism and homosexuality; that's a new one. :no:

[hardeeharhar]

http://www.northlandposter.com/img/p141.gif

[southside grabowski]

Originally posted by Chucker
I think we can end the discussion right there. Linking communism and homosexuality; that's a new one. :no:

No, that is not what I said. Why must the left always twist the truth?

[midwinter]

Originally posted by southside grabowski
Where else do you find them?

Strikes, green rallies, anti military rallies, homosexual agenda rallies and on and on.


The folks who are sincere about these causes are not communists. The communists take advanage of these issues as an opportunity to spread their agenda. The communists don't give a rat's behind about Mexicans. They are just using them for their agenda.

I'm really more interested in specifics. If ANSWER, for instance, is a commie front group, who else is?

[southside grabowski]

Spend a little time on the World Workers PArty site and it will get clearer. Again. I don't consider those who fight for the rights of immigrants, workers, homosexuals or trees to be communists. The communists show up whenever there is a rally to promote THEIR anti-American capitalism agenda.The communists USE the people.




http://www.workers.org/

[midwinter]

Originally posted by southside grabowski
The communists USE the people.

Clearly they're quite successful at it. ;)

I'd still like to see a list of groups that are fronts for communist organizations.

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by Chucker
An anarchy is a completely government-less society. No more, no less.

Not in the political sennse. In the philosophical sense, yes, it is the lack of a government, but in politics and political economy (two domains Marx loved) anarchy is not the lack of a government, it is the lack of a centralized, supranational government (i.e. UN, to some degree).


Communism would have rules, but it wouldn't have anyone enforcing that rules, so it could easily collapse into chaos (much like anarchy), but it could also work by everyone respecting each other. Trouble is, you can't trust all humans to do the right thing.

In theory, but someone would have to enforce the equal distribution of wealth according to common ownership.


Exactly, and that's socialism. You have a government, but it's essentially there to slowly transform the country into a government-less society.

Right, but it's important to know that socialism is not a deviation of Marx's theory; rather, it's his theory that there should be a transitional body (a dictatorship) because he thought humans were not able to just transform from capitalism to communism without some supervision.


Not in my book. I don't see anything in the term "anarchy" that is international. To me, it's very much national.

In politics, anarchy is the lack of a central government. The lack of a central government (superpower) does not mean that there's no room for local/national governments.

[curiousuburb]

Originally posted by southside grabowski
Spend a little time on the World Workers PArty site and it will get clearer. Again. I don't consider those who fight for the rights of immigrants, workers, homosexuals or trees to be communists. The communists show up whenever there is a rally to promote THEIR anti-American capitalism agenda.The communists USE the people.

http://www.workers.org/

For a second I thought you might be... a McCarthyite. Oh wait.

Beware the bogeyman. Teh communist-in-disguise sky might fall. (Red twice a day) :rolleyes:

[addabox]

Originally posted by southside grabowski
Spend a little time on the World Workers PArty site and it will get clearer. Again. I don't consider those who fight for the rights of immigrants, workers, homosexuals or trees to be communists. The communists show up whenever there is a rally to promote THEIR anti-American capitalism agenda.The communists USE the people.

http://www.workers.org/

So, again: sans the Cold War dynamic of a large aggressor state embodying "communism", why should I care who or what the World Workers Party chooses to throw their lot in with?

When I link to your scary workers.org site I see rhetoric about supporting workers and oppressed peoples against the depredations of unbridled capitalism via political action. Last time I checked, the American political system allows for people to work together for change via political action. I couldn't find anything on the site about blowing up the Washington Monument, and I can't find any laws making it illegal to be a communist.

You'll notice that in Europe you get to be a communist or a socialist and it's just another part of the political spectrum. The communists in Italy aren't planning to destroy the state or run wild in the streets, they're running for office and trying to get legislation enacted which is commensurate with their beliefs. Terrifying.

In the US, generations of Cold War rhetoric as the primary organizing principle of national purpose has rendered "communists" into cartoon creatures of pure evil who seek only to destroy "our way of life". The Soviet Union lent a certain amount of intensity to that notion (although it was always and only an absurdly reductive reaction), but with the collapse of that entity worrying about the designs of the commies in the woodshed seems a little strange.

Anyway, aren't you all about fighting the terrorist fellow-travelers among us? Why the shift in paranoid fantasies?

Is it that the "WOT" isn't providing much in the way of raw meat for the nuance challenged? Or is it that you're envisioning some grand unification theory of terrorists and commies? Going to be tough to square with the "islamofascist" brand but I'm sure you're up to it.

[jimmac]

Originally posted by midwinter
Jesus, I'm confused. Are we back in the 50s again?

Some people would like to think so. ;)

This sounds so polarized I wonder if this guy is one of those previous over the top conservatives from the past that had a different handle?

[midwinter]

Originally posted by jimmac
Some people would like to think so. ;)

This sounds so polarized I wonder if this guy is one of those previous over the top conservatives from the past that had a different handle?

Well, I'm still waiting for a specific list of groups that are a communist front. I hear this kind of shit all the time here in Utah (where we really are in the 1950s!) and it drives me insane. Some random guy at the ski slopes a couple of years ago matter-of-factly told me that all university professors were communists. I was so flabbergasted that I just couldn't respond. But I'm fed up. It's so friggin' easy to spout off about whatever group you don't like and say they're commies, but when someone asks for specifics? Things get vague. Gays. Unions (both mafia AND commie?!). Illegal immigrants.

I want a list of groups that are commie fronts.

[addabox]

Well, let's see.

There's the Communist Party, USA. (http://www.cpusa.org/)

Totally a communist front.

[hardeeharhar]

So Midwinter wants a list, a list of communist organizations that have infiltrated the US...

Midwinter is our set up guy for McCarthy...

[midwinter]

Originally posted by hardeeharhar
So Midwinter wants a list, a list of communist organizations that have infiltrated the US...

Midwinter is our set up guy for McCarthy...

That's absolutely right. McCarthy-ite lists go over really well these days.

[addabox]

So I guess the question must be asked: Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of Apple Insider?

And yes, responding to an on-line poll in 1998 about Apple special- interest sites certainly does incriminate you.

Save yourself by naming names.

I'll go first: Trumptman. Openly Mac oriented. A school teacher. I was young and naive, but this Trumpt guy-- hardcore.

I feel sick about it, I really do.

[midwinter]

Originally posted by addabox
S
I'll go first: Trumptman. Openly Mac oriented. A school teacher. I was young and naive, but this Trumpt guy-- hardcore.

Clearly a commie.

[addabox]

Originally posted by midwinter
Clearly a commie.

Well, I hate to go there, but I honestly don't see any other explanation.

[midwinter]

Originally posted by addabox
Well, I hate to go there, but I honestly don't see any other explanation.

Well, it all fits. Teachers = unions = commies.

[jimmac]

Originally posted by addabox
So I guess the question must be asked: Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of Apple Insider?

And yes, responding to an on-line poll in 1998 about Apple special- interest sites certainly does incriminate you.

Save yourself by naming names.

I'll go first: Trumptman. Openly Mac oriented. A school teacher. I was young and naive, but this Trumpt guy-- hardcore.

I feel sick about it, I really do.

:lol:

[slughead]

While this thread is almost certainly a joke, I guess I should point out that the biggest anti-Iraq war protest in San Francisco was organized by an openly communist group (I read it in the NYT, not washington times, before you ask :P).

Most of the protesters probably didn't even know that though :)

Yeah, the commies in the US are alive but certainly not 'well'. Plenty of people still driving SUVs out there.

Just because a group of idiots support something doesn't mean the cause in question is any less legitimate.

Neo-nazis are anti-Iraq war (something about zionism--go figure).. doesn't make Howard Dean (or me) a jew-hater though.