The Next President of France?

[Fellowship]

Segolene Royal,

Here is a woman who is hard to classify as any particular political frame according to strict "party" platform.

She is sort of from what I take her own "self" with her own views and ideas.

What are your views of her? Powerdoc etc??


Link 01 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13392194/site/newsweek/)


Fellowship

[Gene Clean]

The racist, bigot, fundie known as Sarkozy.

[Northgate]

You want analytical commentary about French politics? LOL!

Freedom Fries baby!!!!

[Powerdoc]

I have nothing against Segolene, she is rather original for a socialist.
BTW I am not OK with the french socialist program. France have a huge debt, and Segolene signed the official political program of the socialist party. This program will lead to more taxes, more debt, and more troubles for my profession (I have read her husband comments about medecine).

So in my case, I don't want her as president, even is she is better than many others socialists, like Fabius, Jospin and others.

For Gene Clean : Sarkosy is far more complex than this simplistic image carried by the left. For example he is for the positive discrimination. There is many french people with maghrebian origins, who don't find a job, just because of their name : this is totally unacceptable. His suggestion that there will be a quota of those people in every administration at every level. It worked great in USA.
I should add that Segolene is not so far from Sarkosy when it comes to politic about security education and all even if she say that she is far better and human than him (although she made strange suggestion such as military camp for juvenile criminal ...).

For bigot I am a bit surprised : I don't know even if he believes in god. I never heared any racist comment made by him.

The huge contreversy about him is related to :
- immigration
- security



These points worth debating.

[Immanuel Goldstein]

I am afraid that once again, we shall see Mr. Le Pen in second elections round, furthermore I'm afraid Le Pen might get the most votes in the first round.

Other than that, “Madame le président Royal” sounds wrong and irrépublicain.
Then again, they do have Mr. Chirac now.

[Powerdoc]

Originally posted by Immanuel Goldstein
I am afraid that once again, we shall see Mr. Le Pen in second elections round, furthermore I'm afraid Le Pen might get the most votes in the first round.

Other than that, “Madame le président Royal” sounds wrong and irrépublicain.
Then again, they do have Mr. Chirac now.

I don't think so, because both candidates Sarkosy and Royal build their campaign about security, cutting the grass under the feets of Le Pen.

Personnaly I will prefer a campaign focused about economy, but it's not already the case.

There is also a second point to consider : people of the left, will think twice before sharing their votes to small leaders : they are not ready to vote for the second time, for a candidate belonging to the right.

At least I sincerely hope, that I am right.

And yes Chirac is a shame, and a powerless president.
I think it's the end of the 5 th republic in France. I don't want anymore of prime minister : the president should engage himself directly as it's the case in US.

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by Powerdoc
And yes Chirac is a shame, and a powerless president.
I think it's the end of the 5 th republic in France. I don't want anymore of prime minister : the president should engage himself directly as it's the case in US.

Believe me, you don't want that. What you need is for the President to become some type of a ceremonial post, kinda like in Italy, and the Prime Minister to assume almost all the political power, like in Britain.

Then you can have more policy-focused politics and less fighting among factions trying to control different parts of the government.

[Immanuel Goldstein]

Originally posted by Powerdoc
Originally posted by Immanuel Goldstein
I am afraid that once again, we shall see Mr. Le Pen in second elections round, furthermore I'm afraid Le Pen might get the most votes in the first round.
I don't think so, because both candidates Sarkosy and Royal build their campaign about security, cutting the grass under the feets of Le Pen.
I certainly hope to be proven wrong in this case.

Personnaly I will prefer a campaign focused about economy, but it's not already the case.
People are too afraid that any change would put their acquis at risk, rather than hope that change would bring new advantages. So every timid tentative at reform (never mind that some reform might be ill-advised) ends in a fiasco.

[Powerdoc]

Originally posted by Immanuel Goldstein

People are too afraid that any change would put their acquis at risk, rather than hope that change would bring new advantages. So every timid tentative at reform (never mind that some reform might be ill-advised) ends in a fiasco. [/B]

You know to much France and french people : D

BTW as it's true, french politician tend to hide their reform, and to become more hypocrite. People have lost their confidence in politics, and this is a bad thing.

[Powerdoc]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
Believe me, you don't want that. What you need is for the President to become some type of a ceremonial post, kinda like in Italy, and the Prime Minister to assume almost all the political power, like in Britain.

Then you can have more policy-focused politics and less fighting among factions trying to control different parts of the government.

Why not ? (the british system)

What I don't want is President, who hide himself behind a Prime minister that he nominate personally (with the parliement approval). When people are unhappy with his politic, he change of prime minister ...
He make himself above politic, like a king.
Funny for a countrie who beheaded his king two centuries ago ...

[segovius]

This is the problem with 'democracy': when you get a country whose population is mostly racist - France for example - you get a massive problem when they exercise their 'rights'.

Immanuel is right - stand by for Le Pen.

Again.

[Immanuel Goldstein]

Originally posted by Powerdoc
You know to much France and french people

Thank you. It's probably because I have many relatives and friends in France and I can still manage with the language.