Al Qaeda "website"

[sammi jo]

How many times have we all been subjected to the blazing headlines in the US media re. Osama bin Laden (or some other "al qaeda official") making a statement, or releasing a video/audio tape, or appointing a new leader in Iraq, or etc etc.?

What are the URLs of these supposed "al qaeda websites" so we can read this material, see the tapes, or find out where the servers are, (or send them insulting emails)? Can't the media ever inform us where these messages are coming from, so they can be verified as genuine?

In these days of raging doublespeak and daily government fearmongering, it is more than likely, in the absence of proof, that these "al qaeda websites" are either non-existent, or shortlived phantoms manufactured by the defense department or intel agencies? Has anyone ever sucessfully logged onto any of these famous "al qaeda websites"? Can the absence of evidence be constituted as "evidence of absence"?

Why does the US government and its puppet media seem to regard the public as "part of the enemy"?

:(

[occam whisker]

Originally posted by sammi jo
How many times have we all been subjected to the blazing headlines in the US media re. Osama bin Laden (or some other \"al qaeda official\") making a statement, or releasing a video/audio tape, or appointing a new leader in Iraq, or etc etc.?

What are the URLs of these supposed \"al qaeda websites\" so we can read this material, see the tapes, or find out where the servers are, (or send them insulting emails)? Can\'t the media ever inform us where these messages are coming from, so they can be verified as genuine?

In these days of raging doublespeak and daily government fearmongering, it is more than likely, in the absence of proof, that these \"al qaeda websites\" are either non-existent, or shortlived phantoms manufactured by the defense department or intel agencies? Has anyone ever sucessfully logged onto any of these famous \"al qaeda websites\"? Can the absence of evidence be constituted as \"evidence of absence\"?

Why does the US government and its puppet media seem to regard the public as \"part of the enemy\"?

:(



You speak arabic?

[shetline]

Originally posted by occam whisker
You speak arabic?
I actually do read and speak and incredibly tiny amount of Arabic -- just enough for some very minimal social pleasantries and to be able to recognize a few simple written words and to occasionally work out phonetically a few place names and proper names. (The typical lack of vowel marks makes it difficult for me, with such rudimentary knowledge of the langues, to get very far trying to read phonetically.)

[Gene Clean]

Originally posted by shetline
I actually do read and speak and incredibly tiny amount of Arabic -- just enough for some very minimal social pleasantries and to be able to recognize a few simple written words and to occasionally work out phonetically a few place names and proper names. (The typical lack of vowel marks makes it difficult for me, with such rudimentary knowledge of the langues, to get very far trying to read phonetically.)

Why do you hate America?

[Placebo]

Haha, gold.

[Chucker]

Originally posted by Gene Clean
Why do you hate America?

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/spitdrink.gif

[sammi jo]

Originally posted by occam whisker
You speak arabic?

I don't, no. But lots of people in the US Muslim community do.. and it is possible to translate Arabic into English, by the way. I am just curious as to why the URLs of these websites, you know... the ones which seem to be regarded with such gravity by both government and media, that no source ever seems to be able to tell us something as simple and fundamental as the frigging URL!

Do these websites really exist or are they just another stock way of pushing the public's fear buttons?

Oh.. and btw... it looks as if the CIA has stopped actively looking for Osama bin Laden. Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?ex=1152676800&en=2576b5ef6af849cc&ei=5070&emc=eta1)
As if they ever were... he's been one of their guys for 2 decades now, and if he's not dead already, then they know exactly where he is: probably in a safe house in Pakistan.

[occam whisker]

Originally posted by sammi jo

Oh.. and btw... it looks as if the CIA has stopped actively looking for Osama bin Laden.


The bin Laden family and the Bu$hitler\'s family are great friends. This does not surprise me in the least.

[hardeeharhar]

Originally posted by occam whisker
The bin Laden family and the Bu$hitler\'s family are great friends. This does not surprise me in the least.

If by Bu$hitler you mean the president of the United States, and by great friends you mean business associates, this statement is bordering on being truthful.

[Chucker]

Originally posted by occam whisker
Bu$hitler

It's official: you're out of your mind.

[occam whisker]

Originally posted by Chucker
It\'s official: you\'re out of your mind.

;)

[occam whisker]

Originally posted by Chucker
It\'s official: you\'re out of your mind.

:lol:

[occam whisker]

Originally posted by sammi jo
I am just curious as to why the URLs of these websites, you know... the ones which seem to be regarded with such gravity by both government and media, that no source ever seems to be able to tell us something as simple and fundamental as the frigging URL!

Do these websites really exist or are they just another stock way of pushing the public\'s fear buttons?



Actually, I think the CIA took them down because Osama has probably made a convincing case for Global Warming and the ChimpFuehrer was concerned about the obvious propaganda value.

[segovius]

Originally posted by sammi jo
How many times have we all been subjected to the blazing headlines in the US media re. Osama bin Laden (or some other "al qaeda official") making a statement, or releasing a video/audio tape, or appointing a new leader in Iraq, or etc etc.?

What are the URLs of these supposed "al qaeda websites" so we can read this material, see the tapes, or find out where the servers are, (or send them insulting emails)? Can't the media ever inform us where these messages are coming from, so they can be verified as genuine?

In these days of raging doublespeak and daily government fearmongering, it is more than likely, in the absence of proof, that these "al qaeda websites" are either non-existent, or shortlived phantoms manufactured by the defense department or intel agencies? Has anyone ever sucessfully logged onto any of these famous "al qaeda websites"? Can the absence of evidence be constituted as "evidence of absence"?

Why does the US government and its puppet media seem to regard the public as "part of the enemy"?

:(

I've seen some of them. They aren't up long and at least one of the ones I read was registered to a host in Texas.

The Arabic seemed ok but the phraseology was a bit clumsy. Kind of over the top which seems a bit silly, you'd expect online jihadi stuff to play things down not up.

If I can dig up some links I'll post them here. Actually, maybe not, thinking about it.

Btw - on this note, those interested should check out Muhammad Atta's notorious 'last will'. This is a classic text-book case of semi-literate Arabic making schoolboy errors regarding Islamic theology and mixing in Christian concepts that would be anathema to any self-respecting intending martyr.

Hilarious.

[vinea]

Originally posted by segovius
I've seen some of them. They aren't up long and at least one of the ones I read was registered to a host in Texas.

The Arabic seemed ok but the phraseology was a bit clumsy. Kind of over the top which seems a bit silly, you'd expect online jihadi stuff to play things down not up.

If I can dig up some links I'll post them here. Actually, maybe not, thinking about it.

Btw - on this note, those interested should check out Muhammad Atta's notorious 'last will'. This is a classic text-book case of semi-literate Arabic making schoolboy errors regarding Islamic theology and mixing in Christian concepts that would be anathema to any self-respecting intending martyr.

Hilarious.

I don't get the impression they are playing to the educated demographic on these sites. For that I guess they are using personal contacts and face to face recruitment.

Vinea

[ThinkingDifferent]

Originally posted by sammi jo

What are the URLs of these supposed "al qaeda websites" so we can read this material, see the tapes, or find out where the servers are, (or send them insulting emails)? Can't the media ever inform us where these messages are coming from, so they can be verified as genuine?


I've wondered about this myself. Maybe they feel a need to shield us from the evil sites....

[FormerLurker]

Originally posted by ThinkingDifferent
Maybe they feel a need to shield us from the evil sites.... I'm sure they could pick up some web-shielding pointers from China.

[segovius]

Originally posted by ThinkingDifferent
I've wondered about this myself. Maybe they feel a need to shield us from the evil sites....

Yeah coz everyone speaks fluent Arabic right :rolleyes:

[shetline]

Originally posted by segovius
Yeah coz everyone speaks fluent Arabic right :rolleyes:
Na'am. :D

[sammi jo]

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Btw - on this note, those interested should check out Muhammad Atta's notorious 'last will'. This is a classic text-book case of semi-literate Arabic making schoolboy errors regarding Islamic theology and mixing in Christian concepts that would be anathema to any self-respecting intending martyr.

Hilarious.

Which Mohamed Atta you talking about? We talking about the "Islamic radical" (!) who hung out in strip bars, ate pork chops, snorted coke, drank vodka and wore jewelry that would out the average rapper to shame? :no:

Or the guy who somehow managed to board a plane in Portland Maine to Boston, but parked his rental car in the lot at Boston's Logan Airport? um...... :no:

Or the Mohamed Atta who expressed his disgust for Osama bin Laden to his father regarding the bombing of the Egyptian Embassy in Pakistan? :no:

Or the Mohamed Atta who had attended International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Ala?

etc etc

um... :no:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[segovius]

If you look at SITE (http://www.siteinstitute.org/) (Search for International Terrorist Entities) you will find a list of some of the so called 'terrorist websites'. Ok, so far so good - usual propganda thrown in but we expect no less.

There they listed Hezbollah's website at Nasrollah.org (http://www.nasrollah.org/).

Strangely, that Hezbollah site has gone down in the last few days since the following info was listed on this blog (http://cnw.com/~jasonst/hejailanprojects.html).

For the unfortunate facts are that the Hezbollah site was hosted by al-Hejailan Projects (http://companies.infobasepub.com/detail_pages/17539.html) which is essentially a US Defence Contractor: United Defense Industries operating in partnership with a Saudi defense firm.

[meelash]

Originally posted by segovius
If you look at SITE (http://www.siteinstitute.org/) (Search for International Terrorist Entities) you will find a list of some of the so called 'terrorist websites'. Ok, so far so good - usual propganda thrown in but we expect no less.

There they listed Hezbollah's website at Nasrollah.org (http://www.nasrollah.org/).

Strangely, that Hezbollah site has gone down in the last few days since the following info was listed on this blog (http://cnw.com/~jasonst/hejailanprojects.html).

For the unfortunate facts are that the Hezbollah site was hosted by al-Hejailan Projects (http://companies.infobasepub.com/detail_pages/17539.html) which is essentially a US Defence Contractor: United Defense Industries operating in partnership with a Saudi defense firm.

Ha ha, I've wondered this exact thing many time. Even googled it a few time :lol:. Guess that was naive of me. This is good info segovious. I'd like to see if the next reports match with stuff on these sites, then I can draw conclusions on their reliability.

[segovius]

Originally posted by meelash
Ha ha, I've wondered this exact thing many time. Even googled it a few time :lol:. Guess that was naive of me. This is good info segovious. I'd like to see if the next reports match with stuff on these sites, then I can draw conclusions on their reliability.

Most people go mad if they allow themselves to think like this. They are so conditioned that to imagine a 'Truman Show' scenario (which is pretty much on the nail) would see them over the edge.

If you can entertain it even as a hypothesis you are already free. But also a target of course.

Good luck!

[Tulkas]

Originally posted by segovius
If you look at SITE (http://www.siteinstitute.org/) (Search for International Terrorist Entities) you will find a list of some of the so called 'terrorist websites'. Ok, so far so good - usual propganda thrown in but we expect no less.

There they listed Hezbollah's website at Nasrollah.org (http://www.nasrollah.org/).

Strangely, that Hezbollah site has gone down in the last few days since the following info was listed on this blog (http://cnw.com/~jasonst/hejailanprojects.html).

For the unfortunate facts are that the Hezbollah site was hosted by al-Hejailan Projects (http://companies.infobasepub.com/detail_pages/17539.html) which is essentially a US Defence Contractor: United Defense Industries operating in partnership with a Saudi defense firm.

Except that according to the blog, the US defence contractor sold their stake in the Saudi firm in 2003. But, why let little things like facts get in the way.

[CORRECTION: July 18th & 19th, 2006: UDI sold their stake in Al-Hejailan Group in April 2003.
This would be most accurately described as "a U.S.-Related Saudi Defense Contractor" hosting a Hezbollah website.]

Oh, of course we could just assume some nefarious US involvement (perhaps even Israeli) since the Al-Hejailan Group still have business dealings with the US.