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Fellowship
07-12-2006, 10:56 AM
I welcome discussion concerning the issue of health and in particular the subject of cholesterol management and the harm it poses to patients as managed by doctors and drug companies via application of their standard protocol.

A few key points:

Statin drugs such as crestor, lipitor and zocor inhibit / reduce the production of coenzyme Q10.

Without this enzyme which is needed by every cell in the body for ATP energy production we see problems set in namely muscle atrophy.

Drug company Merck patents (4,933,165) is to add CoQ10 to statin drugs in order to overcome statin induced myopathy:

1. A pharmaceutical composition comprising a pharmaceutical carrier and an effective antihypercholesterolemic amount of an HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor and an amount of Coenzyme Q.sub.10 effective to counteract HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor-associated skeletal muscle myopathy.

HOWEVER:

This invention has never been implemented, probably because the entire world supply of CoQ10 is limited and current production would only supply one-sixth of the world’s statin users.

Statin Drugs are the best selling drugs in the world.

Tens of Billions of $$$ captured from this statin market each year.

Read This Link (http://www.thecureforheartdisease.com/owen/coq10.htm)

Read it top to bottom and tell me with all due intellectual honesty that our corporate leaders in the Big Pharma industry and their tools "doctors" have the patient's best interests in mind concerning cholesterol management.

Following my retirement from Home Building I now work in the field of Health via natural approaches and what I have seen via first hand experience with actual people is alarming in my humble view. The more I research the data the more it becomes clear that the corporate world in some cases is at odds with the well being of our population.

More information regarding coenzyme Q10 and how it supports host health HERE (http://faculty.washington.edu/~ely/coenzq10.html)


Please respond with your thoughts.

My real concern is the scale of this fraud.

The worlds best selling pharmaceuticals are what we are talking about here.

Fellows

occam whisker
07-12-2006, 11:51 AM
Don\'t take cholesterol management drugs. Problem solved. ;)

Better yet, move to Europe. They have a great health care system. :)

hardeeharhar
07-12-2006, 12:17 PM
Eat ascorbic acid for dinner.

e1618978
07-12-2006, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Eat ascorbic acid for dinner.

But don't do it if you have too much iron, it will aid absorbtion of iron from your meat.

MarcUK
07-12-2006, 01:19 PM
Just wondered if you know fellows being in the industry now, why is CoA so expensive to buy? Is it really worth the money, or is there some ridiculous markup on it?

Are the purported benefits really as they say, or is it just a sham?

hardeeharhar
07-12-2006, 02:04 PM
Q10 is produced via fermentation. It is easy to scale up production, the problem is extraction and reducing the toxic components that come along with it...

shetline
07-12-2006, 06:48 PM
All I know is that somehow, somewhere, a bunch of people have to be making out like bandits.

I was just pricing health insurance -- full cost including employer contribution. Now, I know cheaper insurance can be found, but a pretty reasonable individual plan would cost me nearly $650/month, or $7800 per year.

If a $5.15/hour minimum-wage employee costs $10/hour to pay, I'd pay out, per year, enough money to hire such a person to work for me, and just for me, for 4 and 1/2 months out of that year. Just so I can have health insurance.

Am I really getting that much value out of the coverage -- on average, considering average usage of that coverage by all insured people, and not counting all that I still might end up paying out-of-pocket? If we figure the equivalent labor of a guy who makes 20 times minimum wage, do I get the equivalent of having a highly paid professional devoting a full 40-hour work week to me every year?

I know there's liability, cost of medical supplies, clerical costs, building costs -- lots of things that go into the total cost of health care. Nevertheless, there's got to be something wrong here. Someone, somewhere, is getting an awful lot of money and putting in very little time to earn it compared to the time it takes everyone else to earn the money it takes to pay for their insurance and out-of-pocket medical costs. There's got to be a mountain of waste, fraud, and well-protected-from-market-pressure greed behind the health care costs we're seeing these days.

Fellowship
07-13-2006, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by MarcUK
Just wondered if you know fellows being in the industry now, why is CoA so expensive to buy? Is it really worth the money, or is there some ridiculous markup on it?

Are the purported benefits really as they say, or is it just a sham?

Supply and demand dynamics drive the cost higher due to high demand.

It can be bought for less than suggested retail price online from discounter merchants who make thin profit margins.

One company in the US who for years has been less expensive in pricing for the most part is www.swansonvitamins.com

They have their label and they sell the other brands as well for less.

I believe coQ10 is not a sham and is indeed very crucial to good health in many regards.

I take 30 mg of coQ10 a day now that I am in my 30's.

I may adjust the amount upward as I get older.


Fellowship

Fellowship
07-13-2006, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by shetline
All I know is that somehow, somewhere, a bunch of people have to be making out like bandits.

I was just pricing health insurance -- full cost including employer contribution. Now, I know cheaper insurance can be found, but a pretty reasonable individual plan would cost me nearly $650/month, or $7800 per year.

If a $5.15/hour minimum-wage employee costs $10/hour to pay, I'd pay out, per year, enough money to hire such a person to work for me, and just for me, for 4 and 1/2 months out of that year. Just so I can have health insurance.

Am I really getting that much value out of the coverage -- on average, considering average usage of that coverage by all insured people, and not counting all that I still might end up paying out-of-pocket? If we figure the equivalent labor of a guy who makes 20 times minimum wage, do I get the equivalent of having a highly paid professional devoting a full 40-hour work week to me every year?

I know there's liability, cost of medical supplies, clerical costs, building costs -- lots of things that go into the total cost of health care. Nevertheless, there's got to be something wrong here. Someone, somewhere, is getting an awful lot of money and putting in very little time to earn it compared to the time it takes everyone else to earn the money it takes to pay for their insurance and out-of-pocket medical costs. There's got to be a mountain of waste, fraud, and well-protected-from-market-pressure greed behind the health care costs we're seeing these days.


You raise valid points and I agree with you that health costs must come down or more Americans will simply have to do without.

Fellows

MarcUK
07-13-2006, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by Fellowship
Supply and demand dynamics drive the cost higher due to high demand.

It can be bought for less than suggested retail price online from discounter merchants who make thin profit margins.

One company in the US who for years has been less expensive in pricing for the most part is www.swansonvitamins.com

They have their label and they sell the other brands as well for less.

I believe coQ10 is not a sham and is indeed very crucial to good health in many regards.

I take 30 mg of coQ10 a day now that I am in my 30's.

I may adjust the amount upward as I get older.


Fellowship

Thanks, I was looking into CoA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_A

i guess this is a bit different from coQ10, and it is exceedingly difficult to come by.