View Full Version : Are sundays and religious holidays constitional?
jamac
12-17-2006, 02:35 PM
As I am getting into the spirit, I was just wondering???
This year I will simply celebrate my ability to have sex!
Happy screw days :):D
BRussell
12-17-2006, 02:40 PM
Yes I believe Sunday is unconstitutional.
OBJRA10
12-17-2006, 03:44 PM
I've always thought that Monday was unconstitutional.... goes against that whole pursuit of happiness thing. Oh wait, that's not the constitution.
AsLan^
12-17-2006, 04:15 PM
I've always thought we should get rid of Monday and divide the hours up amongst the other days.
Say, add an extra 3 hours to each remaining week day, and add six hours each to Saturday and Sunday :)
Alternatively, a flat four hours added to each remaining day wouldn't be bad either.
Slewis
12-17-2006, 04:59 PM
As much as I despise every form or Religeon, in the Constitution, you have the Freedom or Religeon so no, technically they are not Unconstitutional.
Sebastian
OBJRA10
12-17-2006, 06:04 PM
I don't even understand the OP's question. I suppose it's possible to make some kind of argument about the validity of federally sanctioned holidays based on religious belief - however you can also make the argument that they have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with tradition.
I don't see why you would even ask if Sunday's are unconstitutional. That's like saying that 3 O'Clock is unconstitutional, or that October is unconstitutional.
hardeeharhar
12-17-2006, 06:09 PM
I am not of a christian ethos, but I understand that making christmas a federal holiday has nothing to do with forcing others to celebrate it... This compared to requiring everyone to attend church on sundays, as an example that I don't believe exists...
MarcUK
12-17-2006, 06:23 PM
Id suggest, that on Sundays you go out and do something under the Sun and contemplate just how wonderful your existance is, and its all made possible by the fact that there is a star in our close vicinity that provides all the energy we need for life.
Thats wonderful! - and its traditionally what we have been doing since we first became conscious.
I think if Sunday is unconstitutional, the concept of the 7-day week would be to.
midwinter
12-17-2006, 08:05 PM
its traditionally what we have been doing since we first became conscious.
Bah! Everyone knows that when humanity first became conscious, it was preceded by a kind of semi-conscious state in which it snoozed the alarm for about 15 minutes and then grumpily got out of bed. Then it hopped in the shower, tried to become fully conscious, then went into the kitchen and had a cup of coffee.
It wasn't until AFTER it had had its coffee that humanity became truly conscious.
Bah! Everyone knows that when humanity first became conscious, it was preceded by a kind of semi-conscious state in which it snoozed the alarm for about 15 minutes and then grumpily got out of bed. Then it hopped in the shower, tried to become fully conscious, then went into the kitchen and had a cup of coffee.
It wasn't until AFTER it had had its coffee that humanity became truly conscious.
Could there be a connection between espresso and the Renaissance, then?
MarcUK
12-17-2006, 08:10 PM
Bah! Everyone knows that when humanity first became conscious, it was preceded by a kind of semi-conscious state in which it snoozed the alarm for about 15 minutes and then grumpily got out of bed. Then it hopped in the shower, tried to become fully conscious, then went into the kitchen and had a cup of coffee.
It wasn't until AFTER it had had its coffee that humanity became truly conscious.
so true, i wonder how long that routine predates into prehistory?
midwinter
12-17-2006, 08:13 PM
Could there be a connection between espresso and the Renaissance, then?
Only the late Renaissance, I suspect. But I'm just going off Robert Browning.
Slewis
12-17-2006, 08:30 PM
Bah! Everyone knows that when humanity first became conscious, it was preceded by a kind of semi-conscious state in which it snoozed the alarm for about 15 minutes and then grumpily got out of bed. Then it hopped in the shower, tried to become fully conscious, then went into the kitchen and had a cup of coffee.
It wasn't until AFTER it had had its coffee that humanity became truly conscious.
Sounds a lot like me :err:
:lol:
Sebastian
Only the late Renaissance, I suspect. But I'm just going off Robert Browning.
Speaking of writers, I have come into a set of Library of America vols -- Fitzgerald, Stienbeck, Hawthorne, Twain, etc.
Who should be read first? And why?
midwinter
12-17-2006, 08:55 PM
Speaking of writers, I have come into a set of Library of America vols -- Fitzgerald, Stienbeck, Hawthorne, Twain, etc.
Who should be read first? And why?
I'm not an Americanist by any stretch of the imagination and actually know very little about the ins and outs of it all, but I'd suggest beginning with Twain, and for a couple of reasons.
First, he's the touchstone American writer of the c19 in many ways, and his critiques of both past and present are stunning.
Second, he's pretty accessible.
Then I'd read Moby Dick. Then I'd read it again. Then I'd read is a couple more times.
IIRC, LOA is a novels-only kind of thing, right? Is there any poetry? (no one reads poetry anymore, harumph!) If there is, read Whitman.
Once you're done with Twain and Melville, I'd move into the c20 writers in this order:
1) Sherwood Anderson's Winesburg, Ohio. I'd start with the story "Tandy" and then work from the beginning.
2) Fitzgerald, Gatsby (duh) and Tender is the Night
3) Faulkner. Start with As I Lay Dying then, once you have a feel for it, The Sound and the Fury and Absalom, Absalom. When you're done with that, do Light in August and ask yourself whether any of these are novels. EDIT: ALSO one of the Snopes books...I can't remember which it is, but it's the one with Eck Snopes, who falls in love with a cow. The Village? The Town? The Hamlet?
4) Go back and read Moby Dick again.
5) Hemingway, the standards (For Whom and A Farewell)
6) Then go back and read Moby Dick again.
Sorry I'm not any more help. If you'd come into a set of "Library of Britain" I'd be more help! ;)
I'm not an Americanist by any stretch of the imagination and actually know very little about the ins and outs of it all, but I'd suggest beginning with Twain, and for a couple of reasons.
First, he's the touchstone American writer of the c19 in many ways, and his critiques of both past and present are stunning.
Second, he's pretty accessible.
Then I'd read Moby Dick. Then I'd read it again. Then I'd read is a couple more times.
IIRC, LOA is a novels-only kind of thing, right? Is there any poetry? (no one reads poetry anymore, harumph!) If there is, read Whitman.
Once you're done with Twain and Melville, I'd move into the c20 writers in this order:
1) Sherwood Anderson's Winesburg, Ohio. I'd start with the story "Tandy" and then work from the beginning.
2) Fitzgerald, Gatsby (duh) and Tender is the Night
3) Faulkner. Start with As I Lay Dying then, once you have a feel for it, The Sound and the Fury and Absalom, Absalom. When you're done with that, do Light in August and ask yourself whether any of these are novels. EDIT: ALSO one of the Snopes books...I can't remember which it is, but it's the one with Eck Snopes, who falls in love with a cow. The Village? The Town? The Hamlet?
4) Go back and read Moby Dick again.
5) Hemingway, the standards (For Whom and A Farewell)
6) Then go back and read Moby Dick again.
Sorry I'm not any more help. If you'd come into a set of "Library of Britain" I'd be more help! ;)
It sounds like a good start -- copied and pasted for future reference(!)
jamac
12-18-2006, 11:18 AM
Wouldn't it save millions as well as tremendous energy if goverment and all public services would work 7 days a week?
Adjust the work hours by day light rather than the name of a day? i.e winter time northern hemisphers come after sun up go home before sun daown would save trillions of giga watts and still everybody would have more private time.
Traffic would be eased and so much more. Come to think about it the sunday thing is really an imposition, as we are unable to decide when to rest on our own.
Wouldn't it save millions as well as tremendous energy if goverment and all public services would work 7 days a week?
Adjust the work hours by day light rather than the name of a day? i.e winter time northern hemisphers come after sun up go home before sun daown would save trillions of giga watts and still everybody would have more private time.
Traffic would be eased and so much more. Come to think about it the sunday thing is really an imposition, as we are unable to decide when to rest on our own.
This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_revolutionary_calendar) would seem to be right up your alley.
jamac
12-18-2006, 11:28 AM
This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_revolutionary_calendar) would seem to be right up your alley.
How do the chinese do it? Do they have sundays?
How do the chinese do it? Do they have sundays?
***Judge Joneses "chinese work week" on google***
...looks like 7-days. My sister was over there in February adopting a child, she didn't mention anything; I'll ask her.
midwinter
12-18-2006, 12:35 PM
For anyone who's interested in the history of the calendar, this is a pretty good read (http://www.amazon.com/Calendar-Humanitys-Struggle-Determine-Accurate/dp/0380793245/sr=1-1/qid=1166463275/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9071668-9165641?ie=UTF8&s=books).
SpamSandwich
12-18-2006, 12:40 PM
How do the chinese do it? Do they have sundays?
Of course there is a Chinese calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar), but they are not stupid and use the common calendar of businesses across the world, the same calendar we use here.
SpamSandwich
12-18-2006, 12:46 PM
As I am getting into the spirit, I was just wondering???
This year I will simply celebrate my ability to have sex!
Happy screw days :):D
OK, since no one addressed this earlier... what happened? Did you get a reverse vasectomy?
jamac
12-18-2006, 01:36 PM
OK, since no one addressed this earlier... what happened? Did you get a reverse vasectomy?
Actually I was referring to the nativity scene. Indeed I think that's what this holiday is all about.
mankind rejoyce, you can screw!!
:D :smokey:
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