Barak Hussein Obama is an admitted cocaine abuser

[Bacillus]

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/


I guess the best questions for Barak Hussain Obama are…

1. Did you smoke/freebase the cocaine or inject it?
2. If you injected the cocaine, where and how did you hide the needle marks. Was it between your toes or what and are the needle marks still there?
3. While using the cocaine – how many times did you ‘touch the sky’


I could see past a little pot - but geez, cocaine, freakin' cocaine - that is some hard stuff brother.

Barak Hussain Obama --> :smokey: :wow: :smokey: :wow:

[segovius]

Maybe he was basing it up with Dubya....

I agree though....this is an outrage...why didn't he just wait till Afghanistan went Fubar and the opium warlords put back on the throne?

Then he could have got Smack instead for a far cheaper price.......

Just stupid...this is the pathetic quality of politicians these days.

[mydo]

It's better for it to come out not rather than later. At least no repug' can spring it on in with and October Surprise.

The real crime is his bad writing.

"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. . . . I got high [to] push questions of who I was out of my mind."


Who gets high to "push questions of who I was out of my mind." What nonsense! I'm going to guess that plain old peer pressure and partying and trying to have a blast were what induced him to try drugs.

Forgivable

[Splinemodel]

While ultimately I don't care that much, I really don't see why so many Liberals are so enamored with the guy. Really, just another run-of-the-mill politician with a racial gimmick.

[spindler]

To add to Splinemodel's post, what exactly is it that makes him or anyone else become the "hot" politician? Now people will be talking about him since he is the hot politician, which will therefore further make him the hot politician. How did all this start? Is it all a creation of the press? I could see that America is tired of boring old white guys arguing with each other, but other than that, what has he done that is so special?

[jimmac]

This is really a nonissue. Especially since our current president was a drug abuser also!

Obamba represents a new direction in democratic politics. With new ideas. Something we desperately need. That's what makes him special!

Yes he's black. I'd like to see a black president. Even just to see how much our high sounding words mean if nothing else.

I imagine the GOP will try to attack him with this but given their current leader had a similar problem ( and more ) I doubt that they'll be able to make it stick.

[Mac on a Mac]

This is really a nonissue. Especially since our current president was a drug abuser also!

Obamba represents a new direction in democratic politics. With new ideas. Something we desperately need. That's what makes him special!

Yes he's black. I'd like to see a black president. Even just to see how much our high sounding words mean if nothing else.

I imagine the GOP will try to attack him with this but given their current leader had a similar problem ( and more ) I doubt that they'll be able to make it stick.


It should be a non-issue, but it won't be.

[Bacillus]

I’m a republican and I really what Barak Hussein Obama to be the candidate. Barak Hussein Obama, A black cocaine/drug user (for an extended time no less), who comes from a long line of Muslims…cannot get much worse than that politically speaking.

For swing voters, this will be GOLD. It will give voters an excuse not to vote for, Barak Hussein Obama, a black candidate to be frank. Most people don't like saying "I'm not voting for that black Muslim for president", but the decision to do so becomes more palatable when they can justify it by saying "I'm not voting for that coke head... Barak Hussein Obama" - when in the back of their mind they are really thinking that black-Muslim.

I cannot wait for 08 if he, Barak Hussein Obama, is the candidate - we will DESTROY HIM:D .


(I know he claims not to be a Muslim....but with a name like Barak Hussein Obama, he might as well be for political purpuses)


Notice the number of times I refer to him as " Barak Hussein Obama" - that is no accident and is a preview of things to come should he, Barak Hussein Obama, somehow find his way onto the ticket:lol:

Oh, and we will be saying "Osama" (just that part of the name) a lot as well in the coming days. Will not call Barak Hussein Obama as “Osama” directly, but mention them enough close by and by conflation, we will link them in the minds of others.

[hardeeharhar]

Craw back into the cyst from whence you came, Bacillus... You are an intolerably ignorant bacterium.

[Bacillus]

Craw back into the cyst from whence you came, Bacillus... You are an intolerably ignorant bacteria.

I have enough respect for everyone here to be upfront, and say what I think. Does not mean that I’m right…but at least I’m being honest.

Oh, and what exactly did I say that was “intolerably ignorant”

Oh, and its bacterium (not bacteria) it should read "intolerably ignorant bacterium"

[hardeeharhar]

Oh, and what exactly did I say that was “intolerably ignorant”

Oh, and its bacterium (not bacteria) it should read "intolerably ignorant bacterium"
Support for a political party above all else... And while I agree Obama's chances of winning are close to nil because of his race, your apparent joy in this fact disgusts me. It amounts to an intentional schadenfreude due to racism...

And you are right about the tense of the word bacteria... I have fixed it, thank you. <-- Never good with the latin... to this day I screw up spectra/um when describing data I have collected...

[Bacillus]

Support for a political party above all else... And while I agree Obama's chances of winning are close to nil because of his race, your apparent joy in this fact disgusts me. It amounts to an intentional schadenfreude due to racism...

And you are right about the tense of the word bacteria... I have fixed it, thank you. <-- Never good with the latin... to this day I screw up spectra/um when describing data I have collected...

His race, to me has noting to do with it for me. I have several key differences with the Democratic party, and a win for them is a loss for me.

We can dance around the issue of race all day long – but this is how I see it; disagree if you like…

Many voters do not want to admit it, but they feel uneasy voting for someone who is black…or in his case a half mix of white and black (which is seen as a greater sin by many people).Now, most don’t want to admit to this, and might even vote for him as a result. However, the trick to preventing them from voting for him is to give them something to hang their hat on – like his name, his parental heritage, or this cocaine use. Many voters will be better able to rationalize their decision not to vote for a black man…if said black man is an admitted cocaine user or his father was Muslim or playing up the fact that his name shares a striking phonetic similarity to two of the most vilified Muslims in modern history.

This is politics – and the Democrats would do the same thing if positions were revered.

BTW – I was joking about the bacteria vs. bacterium thing, I was adding a joking ending, not critiquing what your typed.

[hardeeharhar]

His race, to me has noting to do with it for me. I have several key differences with the Democratic party, and a win for them is a loss for me.

We can dance around the issue of race all day long – but this is how I see it; disagree if you like…

Many voters do not want to admit it, but they feel uneasy voting for someone who is black…or in his case a half mix of white and black (which is seen as a greater sin by many people).Now, most don’t want to admit to this, and might even vote for him as a result. However, the trick to preventing them from voting for him is to give them something to hang their hat on – like his name, his parental heritage, or this cocaine use. Many voters will be better able to rationalize their decision not to vote for a black man…if said black man is an admitted cocaine user or his father was Muslim or playing up the fact that his name shares a striking phonetic similarity to two of the most vilified Muslims in modern history.

This is politics – and the Democrats would do the same thing if positions were revered.

BTW – I was joking about the bacteria vs. bacterium thing, I was adding a joking ending, not critiquing what your typed.
Fair enough...

I actually think it will be merely sufficient for them to realize that he is black... I have found that most people who harbor actual ill will towards people of some difference are fine with it when they realize it -- it might not go so far as admitting they are a xxxists but they won't have a problem with their feelings.

[thuh Freak]

1. Did you smoke/freebase the cocaine or inject it?
2. If you injected the cocaine, where and how did you hide the needle marks. Was it between your toes or what and are the needle marks still there?
3. While using the cocaine – how many times did you ‘touch the sky’

I may have missed it, but do they imply its anything other than intranasal use? Cocaine is one of the most popular drugs. I believe its the second most popular illicit drug in America (following marijuana). If the republican machine can keep W's nose from being a poli issue, there is hope for the new Dem party to hide Obama's.

Oh, and we will be saying "Osama" (just that part of the name) a lot as well in the coming days. Will not call Barak Hussein Obama as “Osama” directly, but mention them enough close by and by conflation, we will link them in the minds of others.
your honesty is nice, but it reveals what you may not want. You're intentionally encouraging the deception of your brethren. And it looks like you want a metal or something for being a dishonest prick.

[sammi jo]

Good for him he freely admitted it, rather than being outed in the middle of a presidential campaign.

Obama...another bought politician/weasel.

Sigh :(

[BR]

I’m a republican and I really what Barak Hussein Obama to be the candidate. Barak Hussein Obama, A black cocaine/drug user (for an extended time no less), who comes from a long line of Muslims…cannot get much worse than that politically speaking.

For swing voters, this will be GOLD. It will give voters an excuse not to vote for, Barak Hussein Obama, a black candidate to be frank. Most people don't like saying "I'm not voting for that black Muslim for president", but the decision to do so becomes more palatable when they can justify it by saying "I'm not voting for that coke head... Barak Hussein Obama" - when in the back of their mind they are really thinking that black-Muslim.

I cannot wait for 08 if he, Barak Hussein Obama, is the candidate - we will DESTROY HIM:D .


(I know he claims not to be a Muslim....but with a name like Barak Hussein Obama, he might as well be for political purpuses)


Notice the number of times I refer to him as " Barak Hussein Obama" - that is no accident and is a preview of things to come should he, Barak Hussein Obama, somehow find his way onto the ticket:lol:

Oh, and we will be saying "Osama" (just that part of the name) a lot as well in the coming days. Will not call Barak Hussein Obama as “Osama” directly, but mention them enough close by and by conflation, we will link them in the minds of others.
So basically you don't give a shit about the country. You would use racism and intentional subterfuge to advance your own party's agenda. You are what is wrong with this country. If all of you got up and left tomorrow, I would not miss you.

[trumptman]

Bacillus sounds like a made-up troll.

Nick

[rageous]

It's clearly an act.



A poorly executed one at that.

[mmcgann11]

Trolling can be fun, I guess.

But I do think it's an issue — but more of a "how well do we know this guy?" is he something more than a: flavor of the month, or b: the anti-Hillary so many in the Democratic Party are seeking.

I miss having Al Gore to kick around.

[Splinemodel]

Obamba represents a new direction in democratic politics. With new ideas. Something we desperately need. That's what makes him special!
Which is??? It's just like when Hillary (or her aides) are asked to describe her positions: they avoid the topic. Now, most of us realize that Hillary's position is pure Lady MacBeth, but I don't know much about Obama.

As far as I can tell, the only thing "new" in this "new direction" is that he's not white and comes from an Islamic background. To me, these aren't the big issues. Nor is cocaine use. Frankly, I know plenty of people who have used cocaine, then stopped. Hell, most of them probably run your mutual funds, and I'd a lot sooner vote for one of them for president than I would almost any career politician, drug free or not. The question I have for you is entirely political: what has Obama done that indicates he is some kind of bold, free-thinking dude?

[Bacillus]

It's clearly an act.



A poorly executed one at that.

Believe what you will. Don’t really care. This is what and how I think.

I’m not trying to get a rise out of anyone, I’m just laying down the facts as I see them. Politics is a hard game, and sometimes you need to play hardball. Democrats play even harder ball – recall the complete fabrication of Nation Guard documents aganist President Bush, then using them as the basis for a broad set of allegations on one of the highest ranked shows on TV. Oh, and lets not forget how the dems use the fact that 'bush' can also refer to a female body part or call the whole Bush --> ‘shrub’ play on the name.

Personally, I will think its completely fair to use all tools at your disposal short of out right lying or infliction of physical harm, to prevent someone who you vehemently disagree with from being elected. Its been this way for years guys…grow up.

[MarcUK]

Believe what you will. Don’t really care. This is what and how I think.

I’m not trying to get a rise out of anyone, I’m just laying down the facts as I see them. Politics is a hard game, and sometimes you need to play hardball. Democrats play even harder ball – recall the complete fabrication of Nation Guard documents aganist President Bush, then using them as the basis for a broad set of allegations on one of the highest ranked shows on TV. Oh, and lets not forget how the dems use the fact that 'bush' can also refer to a female body part or call the whole Bush --> ‘shrub’ play on the name.

Personally, I will think its completely fair to use all tools at your disposal short of out right lying or infliction of physical harm, to prevent someone who you vehemently disagree with from being elected. Its been this way for years guys…grow up.

thats probably why politics, politicians and their focus groups or 5-27's or whatever they're called are making the world a sick joke.

[thuh Freak]

Well, I can see if the ignore feature i've been reading about really works.

(how do i set that up btw?)

[rufusswan]

I’m not trying to get a rise out of anyone, I’m just laying down the facts as I see them.

Its been this way for years guys…grow up.

Bullshit, sheer, bullshit. Well, unless spin, purposeful misinterpretation, and illogical rush to judgement is somehow to be considered 'fact'.

Admission of use of pot/cocaine/anything else is no admission of ABUSE.

Apparently you do not have the "cojones" to honestly discuss a potential up and coming candidate in any civil fashion. This is probly not the best place to apply for Rush Lembaugh's radio post.

Case Closed.

Paz. {no I take that back}

[Gilsch]

Big deal. I don't like the guy either way.

[100mph]

The best questions for Abama are:


Will you preserve our environment or just continue destroying everything insight?

Do you guaranty that a fair trial for our warlords will take place in the first 100 days of your nomination?

Will you stand for interests of people of this country or for corporate pockets?


;)

[SDW2001]

The best questions for Abama are:


Will you preserve our environment or just continue destroying everything insight?

Do you guaranty that a fair trial for our warlords will take place in the first 100 days of your nomination?

Will you stand for interests of people of this country or for corporate pockets?


;)

No, those aren't the questions. The first one is "What in this world qualifies you to be President?"

I don't really care if he once did drugs. I really don't.

[100mph]

... "What in this world qualifies you to be President?" ...

:err:

Correct answers to the questions above.

[spindler]

I don't really see anything wrong with Bacillus post. He is just stating unpleasant facts. Let's look at it from the other side. I'm a Democrat. I'd be happy if Republicans ran a female candidate who was really unattractive. I'd point out that I am happy that an unattractive female will not do as well as someone who is naturally likable. People are so weak minded today in that they must attack a person merely for stating facts that are unpleasant.

I'd like to point out that Barack Obama is NOT black, for practical purposes. He looks foreign rather than African American. He doesn't seem militant in any way or seem like he has any connection with American blacks. He talks entirely like a white person. He doesn't talk like say, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. He also doesn't talk like a black person who is trying to be white, like say, Alan Keyes. Seeing him talk doesn't really make you feel like he has any connection to black culture. He's even less black than Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice.

I don't think Americans will see ANY novelty about him, or think twice. The real rednecks will, but they would be voting Republican anyway.

[tonton]

Personally, I will think its completely fair to use all tools at your disposal short of out right lying...

Then you have better morals than the people who got George reelected. Or those who convinced people to support the war.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16443180/


I guess the best questions for Barak Hussain Obama are…

1. Did you smoke/freebase the cocaine or inject it?
2. If you injected the cocaine, where and how did you hide the needle marks. Was it between your toes or what and are the needle marks still there?
3. While using the cocaine – how many times did you ‘touch the sky’
:
1) No-one injects cocaine. You smoke it or snort it. That's the advantage,
2) You don't inject coke.
3) Grow the fuck up.

[Splinemodel]

Excuse me?

He doesn't "talk like a black person?"

Perhaps he doesn't talk in the urban vernacular . . .

Chill. First off, there's a different timbre to the black voice than there is to the white voice. Likewise, the same goes for most wide-sense ethnicities. If you hear a white man, black man, and oriental man over the phone -- all naturalized americans -- you can probably guess accurately which one is which just based on voice.

Second off, in a general sense, cultures are different, and if you can't realize that there are differences you're either really stupid or are repressing yourself. Even educated blacks carry themselves a little bit differently than do educated whites. Big deal.

[jimmac]

I’m a republican and I really what Barak Hussein Obama to be the candidate. Barak Hussein Obama, A black cocaine/drug user (for an extended time no less), who comes from a long line of Muslims…cannot get much worse than that politically speaking.

For swing voters, this will be GOLD. It will give voters an excuse not to vote for, Barak Hussein Obama, a black candidate to be frank. Most people don't like saying "I'm not voting for that black Muslim for president", but the decision to do so becomes more palatable when they can justify it by saying "I'm not voting for that coke head... Barak Hussein Obama" - when in the back of their mind they are really thinking that black-Muslim.

I cannot wait for 08 if he, Barak Hussein Obama, is the candidate - we will DESTROY HIM:D .


(I know he claims not to be a Muslim....but with a name like Barak Hussein Obama, he might as well be for political purpuses)


Notice the number of times I refer to him as " Barak Hussein Obama" - that is no accident and is a preview of things to come should he, Barak Hussein Obama, somehow find his way onto the ticket:lol:

Oh, and we will be saying "Osama" (just that part of the name) a lot as well in the coming days. Will not call Barak Hussein Obama as “Osama” directly, but mention them enough close by and by conflation, we will link them in the minds of others.

Not only do I find your statement tacidly racist you don't have a grasp of what's been going on here. Our fearless leader has done such a good job of destroying the image of the republican party ( and is still at it ) that whoever is on the democratic side is almost a shoe in.

[thuh Freak]

1) No-one injects cocaine. You smoke it or snort it. That's the advantage,
2) You don't inject coke.
3) Grow the fuck up.

Actually, one of the first local anesthetics was injected cocaine. But I don't think anyone's done that again since. Anesthesia certainly aint the same as gettin high.

[Bacillus]

Not only do I find your statement tacidly racist you don't have a grasp of what's been going on here. Our fearless leader has done such a good job of destroying the image of the republican party ( and is still at it ) that whoever is on the democratic side is almost a shoe in.

Please justify or retract the statement “tacidly racist”. I would really like to know exactly what you find racist.

I’m just giving the general perceptions of American society, as I see them, where the idea of a black male who is/was a cocaine user and a has a connection to Islam is not the most politically advantageous position to be in when running for President ot Vice President in the United States. You might not like the it or you may even disagree with it, but that does not make the statement racist, even tacitly so.

Do you disagree? If so, how?

[SDW2001]

Excuse me?

He doesn't "talk like a black person?"

Perhaps he doesn't talk in the urban vernacular or with the cadence of black preachers-- but that doesn't mean any educated style of speaking is necessarily "white." And to assume he speaks like "white people" is to give them too much credit, as midwinter can attest for rednecks and I can speak of for ineloquent local buffoons. "Yous guys wanna cawfee wit dat? Heina or no? A couple, two, tree creams?"


Well, I see your point there, but honestly...there are millions of blacks that would disagree with you. You'd be surprised what some parts of the Afro-American community consider "white."

[SDW2001]

:err:

Correct answers to the questions above.


You have to be kidding. Answering those questions would amount to nothing other than campaign promises. Any moron can make those. Secondly, what about experience. What...he was in the Senate for a few years? That's crazy. He's held no leadership roles, he has no executive experience, etc.

Now, your "questions." First, we're not "destroying everything insight." [sic] You're just blathering. Second..."fair trial for our warlords?" Huh? Are you actually suggesting that we should put administration officials on trial for the Iraq war? I'm sorry...anyone that believes that cannot be taken seriously. I should have known when you started talking about the Reichstag that you were a wack-a-doo.

Finally..what is your last comment supposed to mean? It's just more rhetorical crap. Fight the power! Rock 'n Roll..Freedom of Speech, Man!"

[hardeeharhar]

Chill. First off, there's a different timbre to the black voice than there is to the white voice. Likewise, the same goes for most wide-sense ethnicities. If you hear a white man, black man, and oriental man over the phone -- all naturalized americans -- you can probably guess accurately which one is which just based on voice.

Second off, in a general sense, cultures are different, and if you can't realize that there are differences you're either really stupid or are repressing yourself. Even educated blacks carry themselves a little bit differently than do educated whites. Big deal.
Do black americans actually have a different culture than white americans?

Serious question.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

You have to be kidding. Answering those questions would amount to nothing other than campaign promises. Any moron can make those. Secondly, what about experience. What...he was in the Senate for a few years? That's crazy. He's held no leadership roles, he has no executive experience, etc.


Your hero George had been no further than Mexico when he became President. Inexperience wasn't a deciding factor then. :)

[rageous]

Your hero George had been further than Mexico when he became President. Inexperience wasn't a deciding factor then.

No need to be antagonistic, and it didn't really address his point. Bush did have governing experience, at the very least, when he ran for office.

[SDW2001]

Your hero George had been no further than Mexico when he became President. Inexperience wasn't a deciding factor then. :)

Uh, he had been twice elected to govern the second biggest state in the nation. But let me guess, you'll throw out the next thing on your list of talking points...maybe "the governor of Texas doesn't really have that much authority?" That's always a good one.

[jimmac]

Please justify or retract the statement “tacidly racist”. I would really like to know exactly what you find racist.

I’m just giving the general perceptions of American society, as I see them, where the idea of a black male who is/was a cocaine user and a has a connection to Islam is not the most politically advantageous position to be in when running for President ot Vice President in the United States. You might not like the it or you may even disagree with it, but that does not make the statement racist, even tacitly so.

Do you disagree? If so, how?

" For swing voters, this will be GOLD. It will give voters an excuse not to vote for, Barak Hussein Obama, a black candidate to be frank. Most people don't like saying "I'm not voting for that black Muslim for president", but the decision to do so becomes more palatable when they can justify it by saying "I'm not voting for that coke head... Barak Hussein Obama" - when in the back of their mind they are really thinking that black-Muslim. "


Trust me bucko. Your words will eat you alive here.;)

[Northgate]

Then I guess Lieutenant Governors have more experience that actual Governors do. So why don't we elect more Lt. Governors to the White House than simple statesmen?

[jimmac]

Which is??? It's just like when Hillary (or her aides) are asked to describe her positions: they avoid the topic. Now, most of us realize that Hillary's position is pure Lady MacBeth, but I don't know much about Obama.

As far as I can tell, the only thing "new" in this "new direction" is that he's not white and comes from an Islamic background. To me, these aren't the big issues. Nor is cocaine use. Frankly, I know plenty of people who have used cocaine, then stopped. Hell, most of them probably run your mutual funds, and I'd a lot sooner vote for one of them for president than I would almost any career politician, drug free or not. The question I have for you is entirely political: what has Obama done that indicates he is some kind of bold, free-thinking dude?


http://www.barackobama.com/main.php

[Splinemodel]

Do black americans actually have a different culture than white americans?

Serious question.

Of course. There are many subcultures as well, although it may be more appropriate to consider "black" as the subculture and the environment (north, south, urban, rural, etc) as the main culture.

So, for example, middle-class-west-coast-black-american is probably a pretty decent way to group a couple million people, and it's probably different than both middle-class-west-coast-white-american as well as lower-class-urban-northeastern-black-american.

But the bottom line is that there are definitely cultural divisions between most ethnicities, with all else equal.

http://www.barackobama.com/main.php

Thank you, captain obvious. Been there, and there's not much substance -- if there were, I wouldn't have asked for info. From his website, the only information I could glean is that he's a consummate politician: kissing babies, making promises, and otherwise attempting to do safe things. He seems like a fine guy, but the only real consistent talking point he seems to have is a long-running stand against government corruption. This is admirable, but at the end of the day we should expect our politicians to be honest, and not the other way around.

The only thing edgy about Barack Obama is his name, which is, in other words, a gimmick. I feel like a lot of white dems latch onto him because they think by supporting him, they are somehow defying the wishes of the republicans, who are often labeled as stodgy whites. If you really want to piss off Republicans, support John Edwards or Hillary (who are, strangely enough, both very stodgy whites).

[hardeeharhar]

Of course. There are many subcultures as well, although it may be more appropriate to consider "black" as the subculture and the environment (north, south, urban, rural, etc) as the main culture.

So, for example, middle-class-west-coast-black-american is probably a pretty decent way to group a couple million people, and it's probably different than both middle-class-west-coast-white-american as well as lower-class-urban-northeastern-black-american.

But the bottom line is that there are definitely cultural divisions between most ethnicities, with all else equal.

Those aren't legitimate comparisons... meaning the proper control to compare it to is people of the same social class in the locality. Poor urban whites on the west coast have the same 'culture' as poor urban blacks on the west coast. It isn't divided racially at all. Ethnicity also has nothing directly to do with race. For instance, Latin American Culture is race transparent...

[jimmac]

Of course. There are many subcultures as well, although it may be more appropriate to consider "black" as the subculture and the environment (north, south, urban, rural, etc) as the main culture.

So, for example, middle-class-west-coast-black-american is probably a pretty decent way to group a couple million people, and it's probably different than both middle-class-west-coast-white-american as well as lower-class-urban-northeastern-black-american.

But the bottom line is that there are definitely cultural divisions between most ethnicities, with all else equal.



Thank you, captain obvious. Been there, and there's not much substance -- if there were, I wouldn't have asked for info. From his website, the only information I could glean is that he's a consummate politician: kissing babies, making promises, and otherwise attempting to do safe things. He seems like a fine guy, but the only real consistent talking point he seems to have is a long-running stand against government corruption. This is admirable, but at the end of the day we should expect our politicians to be honest, and not the other way around.

The only thing edgy about Barack Obama is his name, which is, in other words, a gimmick. I feel like a lot of white dems latch onto him because they think by supporting him, they are somehow defying the wishes of the republicans, who are often labeled as stodgy whites. If you really want to piss off Republicans, support John Edwards or Hillary (who are, strangely enough, both very stodgy whites).


Well I'll tell you one thing unlike so many candidates he's only 45 so he won't be applying for medicare anytime soon.

That's not a slam against older people ( I'm 53 myself ). I just think we need some younger blood in there.

[icfireball]

Having smoked pot once in your life does not make you a bad person. EVERYBODY makes mistakes. Everybody has lapses of judgment. People shouldn't be scrutinized for errors they made prior that are unrelated to what they are doing now. If Obama was still smoking pot, that would be a problem. He was able to get past his childhood troubles and excel in college and his career. You've got to respect that.

[SDW2001]

Having smoked pot once in your life does not make you a bad person. EVERYBODY makes mistakes. Everybody has lapses of judgment. People shouldn't be scrutinized for errors they made prior that are unrelated to what they are doing now. If Obama was still smoking pot, that would be a problem. He was able to get past his childhood troubles and excel in college and his career. You've got to respect that.


Well again, I really don't care. You're right. I don't know that everything (hypothetically) could be excused, but when it comes to some drug use or alcohol or what not 20 years ago, it shouldn't be an issue. My problem is the stupid media and their creation of this guy. He has no business even being considered as a candidate. He has practically no experience whatsoever. He's a great speaker from what I understand, and he's a decent looking guy. That's really it.

[Splinemodel]

Those aren't legitimate comparisons... meaning the proper control to compare it to is people of the same social class in the locality. Poor urban whites on the west coast have the same 'culture' as poor urban blacks on the west coast. It isn't divided racially at all. Ethnicity also has nothing directly to do with race. For instance, Latin American Culture is race transparent...

1) Cultural dissimilaties are definitely passed along familial and geographic lines.

2) Black people don't have white children (and vice versa)

3) ethnic groups often live in within localities. This is primarily due to self-segregation, and it perpetuates cultures. If this weren't the case, there wouldn't be naturalized hispanic Americans who are well past primary school age, yet don't know English.

[hardeeharhar]

Sorry, but for all practical purposes black americans have the exact same culture as white americans. Just because a mechanism exists for reducing convergence of culture, doesn't mean that that convergence hasn't already happened... The children of those non-english speaking hispanic-american children will speak english, wear jeans, eat at pizza hut, worry about paris hilton's successor and practice catholicism like other catholic americans...

A single culture is neither homogenous nor so tenuously attached to people that it disappears in a generation... but it does become assimilated... and the assimilating culture may become a bit less homogenous, but the formerly independent groups cannot justifiably be called different cultures...

Edit: This is written by someone who is a member of a perpetual cultural minority (except in one silly silly nation), though my family may have traditions that vary from most americans, no one would be justified in saying that 'my people' have a different culture...

[SDW2001]

Sorry, but for all practical purposes black americans have the exact same culture as white americans. Just because a mechanism exists for reducing convergence of culture, doesn't mean that that convergence hasn't already happened... The children of those non-english speaking hispanic-american children will speak english, wear jeans, eat at pizza hut, worry about paris hilton's successor and practice catholicism like other catholic americans...

A single culture is neither homogenous nor so tenuously attached to people that it disappears in a generation... but it does become assimilated... and the assimilating culture may become a bit less homogenous, but the formerly independent groups cannot justifiably be called different cultures...

Edit: This is written by someone who is a member of a perpetual cultural minority (except in one silly silly nation), though my family may have traditions that vary from most americans, no one would be justified in saying that 'my people' have a different culture...

How do I say this? You're totally wrong. Yeah, that's it.

Black culture in general is completely different in many respects. Ever heard of Black Standard Time? I can tell you that it exists in large numbers, far more than I once believed (that's right..I grew up believing that notion was crap, and was convinced otherwise). There are many exceptions to be sure, but that can be said of any statement about any ethnic group. I don't want to get into a laundry list here, but eating at Pizza Hut and wearing jeans hardly proves anything about "culture."

[Flounder]

What the heck is black standard time?

[FormerLurker]

What the heck is black standard time?Google doesn't seem to know anything about it.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Black+Standard+Time%22

[Outsider]

BST is the stereotype that black people are always late for work/meetings/dates/school/whatever.

[JupiterOne]

BST is the stereotype that black people are always late for work/meetings/dates/school/whatever.

Really? Down here in south Florida, we call that Cuban time. (And incidentally, so do the Cubans) :lol:

[hardeeharhar]

How do I say this? You're totally wrong. Yeah, that's it.

Black culture in general is completely different in many respects. Ever heard of Black Standard Time? I can tell you that it exists in large numbers, far more than I once believed (that's right..I grew up believing that notion was crap, and was convinced otherwise). There are many exceptions to be sure, but that can be said of any statement about any ethnic group. I don't want to get into a laundry list here, but eating at Pizza Hut and wearing jeans hardly proves anything about "culture."
Again... Why do you even try?

How do stereotypes, which I have personally never witnessed which is odd given that I grew up in an area that was 40% black, define a 'culture'?

[SDW2001]

BST is the stereotype that black people are always late for work/meetings/dates/school/whatever.

I agree its a stereotype, but there is a lot of truth to it from what I've witnessed. I've also talked with people who have had a lot of experience with this...particularly in the south.

[Outsider]

I agree its a stereotype, but there is a lot of truth to it from what I've witnessed. I've also talked with people who have had a lot of experience with this...particularly in the south.

Speaking as a north easterner that moved to the south, EVERYONE down here is late going ANYWHERE. I'm the first getting to work, never late for a dinner date even if I think I am, and am much more aggressive on the road than those around me because I want to get where I'm going. It's not a black thing. It's either a southern thing or a Baptist thing ;)

[FormerLurker]

Really? Down here in south Florida, we call that Cuban time. (And incidentally, so do the Cubans) :lol:
I've heard it referred to as "Bahamas time"

[icfireball]

Well again, I really don't care. You're right. I don't know that everything (hypothetically) could be excused, but when it comes to some drug use or alcohol or what not 20 years ago, it shouldn't be an issue. My problem is the stupid media and their creation of this guy. He has no business even being considered as a candidate. He has practically no experience whatsoever. He's a great speaker from what I understand, and he's a decent looking guy. That's really it.

It's hard to qualify anybody you don't know unless the Media qualifies them for you. In my opinion, Barak Obama would be a fairly good candidate because of his power to unite people. When people are united, things get done.

Personally however, I think Gore would be much better for President 2008. He has a clear focus and a lot of initiative. He would be a strong president.

[ronaldo]

Well again, I really don't care. You're right. I don't know that everything (hypothetically) could be excused, but when it comes to some drug use or alcohol or what not 20 years ago, it shouldn't be an issue. My problem is the stupid media and their creation of this guy. He has no business even being considered as a candidate. He has practically no experience whatsoever. He's a great speaker from what I understand, and he's a decent looking guy. That's really it.

Why does he need more experience? It seems to me the more experience they get, the more crooked they become.;)

[SDW2001]

Why does he need more experience? It seems to me the more experience they get, the more crooked they become.;)


Disagree. Governors tend to get elected President because, for one thing, they have executive experience. The last Senator we had as President was JFK. That's no fluke. Of course, there's always McCain I suppose. But at least he has years in the Senate and has been a strong candidate before.

[groverat]

I am freebasing cocaine RIGHT NOW.

Obama is my man!

[trumptman]

I found the real reason not to vote for him. Apparently Obama is a smoker as well.:grumble: :lol:

Nick

[midwinter]

I found the real reason not to vote for him. Apparently Obama is a smoker as well.:grumble: :lol:

Nick


I heard that this morning on Diane Rehm.

Can we get back to talking about why BR's post was utterly, utterly brilliant?

[jimmac]

Disagree. Governors tend to get elected President because, for one thing, they have executive experience. The last Senator we had as President was JFK. That's no fluke. Of course, there's always McCain I suppose. But at least he has years in the Senate and has been a strong candidate before.


Well McCain thinks more troops in Iraq is the answer. That makes him a bad choice in my book. It's kind of like saying " Well I've been pouring gasoline on this fire for an hour and it's still going . So I think the answer is to add a bit more. "

Besides McCain has white hair! We need someone young in there who still can think in a bad situation. Like JFK or like Obama. It's time for something new not the same old crap.

[trumptman]

I heard that this morning on Diane Rehm.

Can we get back to talking about why BR's post was utterly, utterly brilliant?

You start and I'll follow. My ADD has kicked in and I don't recall what was brilliant about his post wherever it was in here.

Nick

[midwinter]

You start and I'll follow. My ADD has kicked in and I don't recall what was brilliant about his post wherever it was in here.

Nick

BR said this to the thread-starter:


So basically you don't give a shit about the country. You would use racism and intentional subterfuge to advance your own party's agenda. You are what is wrong with this country. If all of you got up and left tomorrow, I would not miss you.

[jimmac]

You start and I'll follow. My ADD has kicked in and I don't recall what was brilliant about his post wherever it was in here.

Nick

Well let me remind you. He basically hit the racist nail on the head by pointing out some people will use anything to support their party. That kind of thinking has worked for most of the Bush Jr. presidency but times ( as I've said are changing ) and that kind thinking will sink anyone nowadays. It's basically part of why the republicans lost the midterms.

[trumptman]

Ah yes that... well I do believe I said he sounded like a troll and I haven't seen anything posted since then that would make me think any differently.

Let me put something forward for you and Mid to think about though. This sort of approach that is being put forward by Bacillus. It is clear that it is heavy-handed and pretty clumsy in its implementation.

Perhaps I've had to play politics a little too often in my lifetime but in a instance such as this, sometimes you have to look at who benefits instead of who is doing the hurting.

Let's pretend the general election is here and you had some retard wannabe Republican like Bacillus putting foward the notions that have been aired here. Obviously that would make Republicans look bad. You have an upstart candidate like Mr. Obama who is made to look bad. So who benefits?

Perhaps an old guard, voted for the war and now that doesn't seem so smart, has a crap load of money but no charisma/freshness factor candidate like... Hillary Clinton?

It can be awful fun to get our panties in a bunch. It is fun to point at someone and note that their position is stupid, backward, etc. But instead of just noting who is hurt, perhaps we should also note who is helped. We've watched Republicans and Democrats for example battle to keep Green party candidates on or off the ballot in past elections. There's more than one side to this and I would bet that come general election time if there is some fringe rightist element that wants to note that Barak is black, Muslim, not raised with an American Black experience versus foreign black experience, did cocaine, whatever..... I'm sure they will probably be heard.

However I'm also absolutely sure it won't be mainstream Republicans that are trying to let these voices be heard. I'm sure they will be like those nice Democrats who wanted Nader off the ballot. They will be doing everything in their power to shut guys like Bacillus the hell up because it reflects very badly on them and doesn't even reflect their views. Instead it plays to a caricature or stereotype. Who will be making sure guys like Bacillus are probably heard loud and clear? DLC-Hillary Clinton types who have something to gain and also something to fear.

I think this important to think about because it isn't Republicans who made a Howard Dean or Bill Bradley disappear in the primaries.

Nick

[jimmac]

Well the times we live in now are quite simply these. Politicians need to perfom be they democrat or republican. The democrats will see trouble if they show lack of motivation to carry out the will of the voters just like their predecessors. I know some will scoff at this but I think the voting public is tired of rhetoric, inaction, and mudslinging to further the party agenda. Politicians and ad campaigners beware.

These are different times.

[Bacillus]

Ah yes that... well I do believe I said he sounded like a troll and I haven't seen anything posted since then that would make me think any differently.

Let me put something forward for you and Mid to think about though. This sort of approach that is being put forward by Bacillus. It is clear that it is heavy-handed and pretty clumsy in its implementation.

Perhaps I've had to play politics a little too often in my lifetime but in a instance such as this, sometimes you have to look at who benefits instead of who is doing the hurting.

Let's pretend the general election is here and you had some retard wannabe Republican like Bacillus putting foward the notions that have been aired here. Obviously that would make Republicans look bad. You have an upstart candidate like Mr. Obama who is made to look bad. So who benefits?

Perhaps an old guard, voted for the war and now that doesn't seem so smart, has a crap load of money but no charisma/freshness factor candidate like... Hillary Clinton?

It can be awful fun to get our panties in a bunch. It is fun to point at someone and note that their position is stupid, backward, etc. But instead of just noting who is hurt, perhaps we should also note who is helped. We've watched Republicans and Democrats for example battle to keep Green party candidates on or off the ballot in past elections. There's more than one side to this and I would bet that come general election time if there is some fringe rightist element that wants to note that Barak is black, Muslim, not raised with an American Black experience versus foreign black experience, did cocaine, whatever..... I'm sure they will probably be heard.

However I'm also absolutely sure it won't be mainstream Republicans that are trying to let these voices be heard. I'm sure they will be like those nice Democrats who wanted Nader off the ballot. They will be doing everything in their power to shut guys like Bacillus the hell up because it reflects very badly on them and doesn't even reflect their views. Instead it plays to a caricature or stereotype. Who will be making sure guys like Bacillus are probably heard loud and clear? DLC-Hillary Clinton types who have something to gain and also something to fear.

I think this important to think about because it isn't Republicans who made a Howard Dean or Bill Bradley disappear in the primaries.

Nick

You just don’t get it do you… I’ll hold off any attacks toward you.

Its about controlling the message – every news report about Barak Hussein Osama use of cocaine is one less about his plan to reform healthcare or some other nonsense he is pushing. I’ll freely admit it – I think this is a great thing to throw him off message and to use a fodder to attack him. If the positions were reversed, the democrats would do the same exact thing.

Also, as I have said - I think it’s the perfect nail in the wall for many to hang their hat on as an excuse not to vote for him. In polite company, we tend not to say what is on our minds; but many in this country have a problem voting for a man, such as Barak Hussein Obama, who has a strong link to Islam and to be frank about it, is black. However, the use of cocaine is the mental justification that many will need to not to vote for him. I promise you – this will be a nagging issue for him and will lead to questions, and any answer given will lead to even more questions, and more and more. Politicians want to control the message – and this will remove that control from Barak Hussein Obama and his handlers.

I’ll admit it – I’m an extreme right wing guy who will say what is on his mind. Likewise, there are extreme Democrats, whose views are equally or more unpalatable to the greater populous. Head on over to the Democratic Underground and see, news flash: both parties have them.

[midwinter]

You just don’t get it do you… I’ll hold off any attacks toward you.

Hooo boy. This'll be interesting.

In polite company, we tend not to say what is on our minds; but many in this country have a problem voting for a man, such as Barak Hussein Obama, who has a strong link to Islam and to be frank about it, is black. However, the use of cocaine is the mental justification that many will need to not to vote for him.

So it's not really about the cocaine. It's that he's black and has Muslim roots. Say it loud, say it proud! Come on, Bacillus!

I’ll admit it – I’m an extreme right wing guy who will say what is on his mind.

And I, for one, think you should say more about this kind of thing. Publicly. More loudly. Make posters. Call into the radio shows. Try to get on TV. Post in discussion forums.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

many in this country have a problem voting for a man, such as Barak Hussein Obama, who has a strong link to Islam and to be frank about it, is black. .
This 'strong link to Islam' being... his name.

OK.

And there's no need to be 'frank' about him being black. He is black. We can tell. Just by looking at his little negro face.

In this way, he's a bit like that nice Will Smith guy, or what's his name, Prince. And that weird robo-harpie named after an oil tanker, Condoleeza Rice. And that other black guy, played the trumpet, Martin 'Luther' King. No, the communist general, Colin Powell, I forget. Or was he a boxer?

Anyway. I'm with you on this. Fucking black people with their electability and weird pork and beans.

[trumptman]

You just don’t get it do you… I’ll hold off any attacks toward you.

You don't get it do you. Your ignorance and the very fact that it might even be associated with me is an attack of the worst kind.

Its about controlling the message – every news report about Barak Hussein Osama use of cocaine is one less about his plan to reform healthcare or some other nonsense he is pushing. I’ll freely admit it – I think this is a great thing to throw him off message and to use a fodder to attack him. If the positions were reversed, the democrats would do the same exact thing.

What you have put forward is not about controlling the message. Good ideas control the message much more effectively than any of this nonsense you have put forward. If his plan for health care reform or some other nonsense is bad, then you hit it head on. You expose it for what it is and what it will do.

Republicans do promote self interest. They do not promote stupid and hateful interests. So you want to defeat socialized medicine. You say here is how many MRI machines Canada has per capita and here are how many the United States has per capita. You note how long the line is for hip replacements in Canada and how many YEARS you'll be waiting on the list. You note that the Canadian Supreme Court has ruled against the national health care system as depriving people of their basic rights.

You do that and the plan is defeated without any of the nonsense you have put forward here. What you have put forward here requires no thought and plenty of hate be it implicit or explicit. I do not want people who have that as a default state of being in my party. It isn't healthy for the future of the party nor will it build any sort of long term gains.

Also, as I have said - I think it’s the perfect nail in the wall for many to hang their hat on as an excuse not to vote for him. In polite company, we tend not to say what is on our minds; but many in this country have a problem voting for a man, such as Barak Hussein Obama, who has a strong link to Islam and to be frank about it, is black. However, the use of cocaine is the mental justification that many will need to not to vote for him. I promise you – this will be a nagging issue for him and will lead to questions, and any answer given will lead to even more questions, and more and more. Politicians want to control the message – and this will remove that control from Barak Hussein Obama and his handlers.

I have no problem voting for him at all. I'll examine his ideals and as the election approaches I'll compare them to the other candidates. If his are best by my criteria, he gets the vote. The criteria doesn't include being white, being perfect, or even being Christian. Many Democrats won seats this last cycle in part because of a return to economic populism and more specifically a fair trade stance. I've stated in the past and I'll state now that I would have had no problem voting for such candidates.

The most damning thing about your views is that those on the left become enabled to promote economic nationalism and populism and it is seen as a good thing. Someone like Pat Buchanan promotes it on the right and suddenly we are all racists while a Sherrod Brown isn't. Why is this so, because of folks like yourself.

I’ll admit it – I’m an extreme right wing guy who will say what is on his mind. Likewise, there are extreme Democrats, whose views are equally or more unpalatable to the greater populous. Head on over to the Democratic Underground and see, news flash: both parties have them.

You make it sound like I would somehow excuse the hate-mongers at DU while only condemning yourself. Both should be condemned. When you have folks at DU saying antisemitic remarks because Joe Lieberman is winning, they should be condemned. When someone like you is spitting out hateful remarks you ought to be condemned.

The extremes in both cases are those who appeal to hate instead of to intellect. You seem to confuse extreme with something like enthusiasm and likely so do they. Enthusiasm should engage more brain cells, not be justification for turning them off. I hope you figure that out soon.

Nick

[jimmac]

You just don’t get it do you… I’ll hold off any attacks toward you.

Its about controlling the message – every news report about Barak Hussein Osama use of cocaine is one less about his plan to reform healthcare or some other nonsense he is pushing. I’ll freely admit it – I think this is a great thing to throw him off message and to use a fodder to attack him. If the positions were reversed, the democrats would do the same exact thing.

Also, as I have said - I think it’s the perfect nail in the wall for many to hang their hat on as an excuse not to vote for him. In polite company, we tend not to say what is on our minds; but many in this country have a problem voting for a man, such as Barak Hussein Obama, who has a strong link to Islam and to be frank about it, is black. However, the use of cocaine is the mental justification that many will need to not to vote for him. I promise you – this will be a nagging issue for him and will lead to questions, and any answer given will lead to even more questions, and more and more. Politicians want to control the message – and this will remove that control from Barak Hussein Obama and his handlers.

I’ll admit it – I’m an extreme right wing guy who will say what is on his mind. Likewise, there are extreme Democrats, whose views are equally or more unpalatable to the greater populous. Head on over to the Democratic Underground and see, news flash: both parties have them.

No I'm afraid it's you who doesn't get it.:no:

[MacRoughneck]

While ultimately I don't care that much, I really don't see why so many Liberals are so enamored with the guy. Really, just another run-of-the-mill politician with a racial gimmick.


I'm coming late to this discussion, but why is his being black considered a party gimmick to you?

Uh, and fyi...he's he least run of mill politician you'll probably see in the Senate over the next 12 years. You may think his speech is rhetorical, but saying he is run of the mill is simply wrong IMHO. Now, your definition of "run of the mill" will probably differ greatly from my own though.

[MacRoughneck]

I'd like to point out that Barack Obama is NOT black, for practical purposes. He looks foreign rather than African American. He doesn't seem militant in any way or seem like he has any connection with American blacks. He talks entirely like a white person. He doesn't talk like say, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. He also doesn't talk like a black person who is trying to be white, like say, Alan Keyes. Seeing him talk doesn't really make you feel like he has any connection to black culture. He's even less black than Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice.


Oh my. What a lovely forum I've joined today. Let's be insulting to blacks that don't sound "ethnic" by saying they don't sound black.

I'm 7th generation American (grew up in Virginia...living in Los Angeles now) and I just so happen to have spent most of my time with people that weren't black. Does that imply that I'm not?

Oh, I get it. If I walk through a kkk meeting I should simply TALK and then they won't have a problem with me.:rolleyes:

[midwinter]

Oh my. What a lovely forum I've joined today. Let's be insulting to blacks that don't sound "ethnic" by saying they don't sound black.

Oh, but the best part if that if they sound toooo black they're unelectable! It's a win-win for the GOP! It's a postcolonial theorist's dream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postcolonialism)!

And welcome, MacRoughneck. We're not all racist bastards, I promise!

[MacRoughneck]

This 'strong link to Islam' being... his name.

OK.

And there's no need to be 'frank' about him being black. He is black. We can tell. Just by looking at his little negro face.

In this way, he's a bit like that nice Will Smith guy, or what's his name, Prince. And that weird robo-harpie named after an oil tanker, Condoleeza Rice. And that other black guy, played the trumpet, Martin 'Luther' King. No, the communist general, Colin Powell, I forget. Or was he a boxer?

Anyway. I'm with you on this. Fucking black people with their electability and weird pork and beans.

8)

Bravo. We suck.

[pfflam]

It's better for it to come out not rather than later. At least no repug' can spring it on in with and October Surprise.

The real crime is his bad writing.

"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. . . . I got high [to] push questions of who I was out of my mind."


Who gets high to "push questions of who I was out of my mind." What nonsense! I'm going to guess that plain old peer pressure and partying and trying to have a blast were what induced him to try drugs.

Forgivable
Seems reasonable, I think that it is a universal experience for people who despair of themselves or their possibilities, however wrongly, to want to be rid of their identities.

[pfflam]

I’m a republican and I really what Barak Hussein Obama to be the candidate. Barak Hussein Obama, A black cocaine/drug user (for an extended time no less), who comes from a long line of Muslims…cannot get much worse than that politically speaking.

For swing voters, this will be GOLD. It will give voters an excuse not to vote for, Barak Hussein Obama, a black candidate to be frank. Most people don't like saying "I'm not voting for that black Muslim for president", but the decision to do so becomes more palatable when they can justify it by saying "I'm not voting for that coke head... Barak Hussein Obama" - when in the back of their mind they are really thinking that black-Muslim.

I cannot wait for 08 if he, Barak Hussein Obama, is the candidate - we will DESTROY HIM:D .


(I know he claims not to be a Muslim....but with a name like Barak Hussein Obama, he might as well be for political purpuses)


Notice the number of times I refer to him as " Barak Hussein Obama" - that is no accident and is a preview of things to come should he, Barak Hussein Obama, somehow find his way onto the ticket:lol:

Oh, and we will be saying "Osama" (just that part of the name) a lot as well in the coming days. Will not call Barak Hussein Obama as “Osama” directly, but mention them enough close by and by conflation, we will link them in the minds of others.
Wow . . . this place has really reached the gutter!!

[addabox]

Tell me about it. Waning electoral fortunes seem to have taken a toll on the winger psyche, and they've decided to just it all hang loose and go with their strengths: overtly brutal and peddling 50s vintage racial and sexual mores as a refreshing antidote to the horrors of 21st century political correctness.

See also Senator Macaca, the "Call me, Harold" Tennessee political ad, and the current, bizarre "Hillary is a cunt and it's brave to say so" working it's way through the sewers of these very forums.