Blood and Oil

[100mph]

Future of Iraq: The spoils of war. (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2132569.ece)
Blood and oil. (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2132574.ece)
How the West will make a killing on Iraqi oil riches.

[SDW2001]

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[100mph]

Thank you SDW2001.

Please see my last post here:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=70019

[@_@ Artman]

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Maybe because it's so fucking obvious? We went into Iraq for their oil. Not Hussein , not for WMD, not for democracy and certainly not for 9|11.

Permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq:

http://www.fcnl.org/images/iraq/iraq_noscript.jpg

Refineries and oil fields in Iraq:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2003/03/18/wioil18big.jpeg

Will anyone of your ilk ever wake up? :mad:

[mydo]

I'm not disagreeing with you about the reason why we went in but it's obvious to me that you don't put a military base where there is no one and everyone lives near where the oil is produced. So basically your correlation is meaningless.

[@_@ Artman]

I'm not disagreeing with you about the reason why we went in but it's obvious to me that you don't put a military base where there is no one and everyone lives near where the oil is produced. So basically your correlation is meaningless.

????:wow: :err: :wow: ????

[Bacillus]

Breaking: The sky is blue and the grass is green

Go read a history book if this is upsetting – because the victors in most wars tend to take the spoils from their conquest. The Greeks did it, the Romans did it, the Egyptians did it, so on and so fourth. Hell, look at England – did you take any spoils from your conquest ? Yep. Did the Romans take spoils from England back in the day? Yep.

I can give examples of this all day – but what is the point. Its just how wars are done my friends; the winners take things and the vanquished loose things. Remember…to the victor goes the spoils.

It is beyond me why I should feel one bit of guilt over something that has been done for thousands of years.

[hardeeharhar]

unless your goal was to end war, perhaps?

[mydo]

????:wow: :err: :wow: ????

What don't you understand?

Should they put the bases in the middle of the dessert where no one is? No. So you put them where people are. Where are people? Where the jobs are. Where are the jobs? Where the oil industry is. So where are the military bases? Where the people are. And where are the people? Where the oil is. Therefor the military bases are where the oil fields are.

Like I said, I'm not saying that you are wrong. Just that you haven't proven anything using that evidence.

[groverat]

I agree with mydo. It seems to make sense to put bases near population centers.

- We shouldn't have bases there.
- We are definitely trying to rape them for their natural resources.
- The war is immoral and illegal.

However, the location of the bases makes no case on its own.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

It is beyond me why I should feel one bit of guilt over something that has been done for thousands of years.
I have a subscription to Slavery Monthly. This month, an interesting article on why we shouldn't feel the need to object to trepanning, female circumcision, human sacrifice, ritual scarification, the burning of witches, infanticide, geronticide, droit de seignuer, the mass execution of captured soldiers, Jewish pogroms, crucifixion, stoning and ritual incest. It is tradition.

Popping out to buy some black people. See you laters. x x x

[100mph]

Breaking: The sky is blue and the grass is green

Go read a history book if this is upsetting – because the victors in most wars tend to take the spoils from their conquest. The Greeks did it, the Romans did it, the Egyptians did it, so on and so fourth. Hell, look at England – did you take any spoils from your conquest ? Yep. Did the Romans take spoils from England back in the day? Yep.

I can give examples of this all day – but what is the point. Its just how wars are done my friends; the winners take things and the vanquished loose things. Remember…to the victor goes the spoils.

It is beyond me why I should feel one bit of guilt over something that has been done for thousands of years.

Yeah. It is now officially reconfirmed:

We never had no nobel causes or security concerns in Iraq.
We are just another savage empire robing the world of it's resources.

As far as your personal feelings ... I guess they are in-sync with the state.
(I just hope that's not with the country). :\

[Gon]

I agree with mydo. It seems to make sense to put bases near population centers.

- We shouldn't have bases there.
- We are definitely trying to rape them for their natural resources.
- The war is immoral and illegal.

However, the location of the bases makes no case on its own.Agreed on all counts.

The population density correlates highly with the base distribution as well as the oil fields: http://www.kokhavivpublications.com/help/maps/images/special/iraq_pop.jpg

The only additional place you'd expect to see a base is Basra and that's held by the Brits.

[segovius]

never mind: Hassan beat me to it....

[jimmac]

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[@_@ Artman]

What don't you understand?

Should they put the bases in the middle of the dessert where no one is? No. So you put them where people are. Where are people? Where the jobs are. Where are the jobs? Where the oil industry is. So where are the military bases? Where the people are. And where are the people? Where the oil is. Therefor the military bases are where the oil fields are.

Like I said, I'm not saying that you are wrong. Just that you haven't proven anything using that evidence.


Your clarification is right. Sorry for my confusion. But understand that these are permanent military bases. Whenever someone demands the withdraw of US troops in Iraq it should be a mute subject. We aren't leaving. If one is angered at Bush's proposal to increase troops in Iraq they should understand that the amount of troops to guard and operate these bases could reach 15,000 troops. And for anyone who thinks this is s good thing, think wrong. This will only fuel the anger of the insurgents and the followers of the terrorist networks.

Here is the link (http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm) to that military base map above. Hover over each and you can read it's size, location and purpose. Here is a listing of them all (http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases_text.htm).

"As of mid-2005, the U.S. military had 106 forward operating bases in Iraq, including what the Pentagon calls 14 “enduring” bases (twelve of which are located on the map) – all of which are to be consolidated into four mega-bases."

"Enduring". Sounds so much more romantic than permanent...:rolleyes:

[mydo]

Everyone remember we still have basis in Germany, Japan and Korea.... Here's praying (I don't beleive in god ha ha) that Iraq turns out like those three.

[spindler]

I have a subscription to Slavery Monthly. This month, an interesting article on why we shouldn't feel the need to object to trepanning, female circumcision, human sacrifice, ritual scarification, the burning of witches, infanticide, geronticide, droit de seignuer, the mass execution of captured soldiers, Jewish pogroms, crucifixion, stoning and ritual incest. It is tradition.

Popping out to buy some black people. See you laters. x x x

Ha ha that's funny. The next time someone opposed to gay marriage points out "tradition", I will use that. Basically, if humans believed idea X 500 years ago, most likely idea X is kooky and should be done away with. So the argument about "traditional marriage" should imply that we should get rid of the tradition, not keep it.

[Gilsch]

Everyone remember we still have basis in Germany, Japan and Korea.... Here's praying (I don't beleive in god ha ha) that Iraq turns out like those three.
Yeeeah. I can see Iraq becoming the new Germany.

[@_@ Artman]

Everyone remember we still have basis in Germany, Japan and Korea.... Here's praying (I don't beleive in god ha ha) that Iraq turns out like those three.

You forgot Iceland (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/16/AR2006031601846.html). Well, we did have a military base there. We started pulling out last year, leaving Iceland with no military defenses. I guess when there are no interests, there's no reason to stay. :\

[shetline]

You forgot Iceland (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/16/AR2006031601846.html). Well, we did have a military base there. We started pulling out last year, leaving Iceland with no military defenses. I guess when there are no interests, there's no reason to stay. :\
When Iceland becomes a temperate zone in the next 20-30 years, it's going to be prime farm land and real estate. :)

[rageous]

You forgot Iceland (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/16/AR2006031601846.html). Well, we did have a military base there. We started pulling out last year, leaving Iceland with no military defenses. I guess when there are no interests, there's no reason to stay. :\

Are you kidding?

Firstly, what's the point of being there? There's absolutely no need to blanket the planet with US forces.

Secondly, read your own link:

The United States plans to withdraw four Air Force fighter jets and a rescue helicopter squadron from its military base in Iceland by September, a move that will leave the island nation with virtually no military defenses and that has caused diplomatic tension between the two NATO allies.

That's more or less the sum total of their national defense? I'm not sure what perspective we're looking at this from but on the surface it seems that if that's the extent of their defense they're screwed either way if someone decides to attack or invade.

We can't bludgeon US foreign policy when it comes to their (supposed) goal of creating a safe Iraq and then turn around and bludgeon them for pulling troops out of a different country where they really have no reason to be either. Which way do we want it?

[@_@ Artman]

Are you kidding?

Firstly, what's the point of being there? There's absolutely no need to blanket the planet with US forces.

Secondly, read your own link:
That's more or less the sum total of their national defense? I'm not sure what perspective we're looking at this from but on the surface it seems that if that's the extent of their defense they're screwed either way if someone decides to attack or invade.

We can't bludgeon US foreign policy when it comes to their (supposed) goal of creating a safe Iraq and then turn around and bludgeon them for pulling troops out of a different country where they really have no reason to be either. Which way do we want it?

Ok look, we did leave Iceland for those reasons. No reason to stretch our military resources someplace where the need (commies) isn't there anymore. And Iceland itself is at fault for not having the foresight to create their own military force either. We left and that's the indication that we have other interests in mind.

So the focus of this administration is Iraq and the Middle East in general now. "Communism" is old and busted and "Terrorists" are the new hotness? No, oil is. And the Middle East has it. We built or are building 14 permanent military bases in Iraq for this very reason. Not for democracy. Not for their national defense. Not for the Iraqi people. It's for our "American Interests".

[trumptman]

I have a subscription to Slavery Monthly. This month, an interesting article on why we shouldn't feel the need to object to trepanning, female circumcision, human sacrifice, ritual scarification, the burning of witches, infanticide, geronticide, droit de seignuer, the mass execution of captured soldiers, Jewish pogroms, crucifixion, stoning and ritual incest. It is tradition.

Popping out to buy some black people. See you laters. x x x

This reply makes great sense since western cultures have worked to rid the world of slavery and many African cultures and countries still practice it.

Let me know what country you drop into to purchase them in. I mean if it is good enough for Madonna, it is good enough for Hassan.

Nick

[mydo]

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Let me know what country you drop into to purchase them in. I mean if it is good enough for Madonna, it is good enough for Hassan.

Nick

:lol: Now that's funny.

[franksargent]

You forgot Iceland (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/16/AR2006031601846.html). Well, we did have a military base there. We started pulling out last year, leaving Iceland with no military defenses. I guess when there are no interests, there's no reason to stay. :\

:smokey:

Dons Siberian style camo fatigues, loads BB gun, gets in inflatable boat, and heads down the Mississippi River. I'm off to invade Iceland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland#Military), wish me luck!

:smokey: