moved: Apple becoming as bad as Microsoft with iApps

[trumptman]

I am writing this because I am frustrated with the fact that I cannot do something with my Mac that I can with Windows.

I use iPhoto on my Mac which I consider to be a great program. However I use Outlook Express (via classic) and Mozilla for my email. (I just like them better)

Whenever I ask iPhoto to share my photo's via email, it will only load up Mail. It will do this regardless of what email program is set as preferred in the system preferences.

Thanks Apple, higher cost and more microsoftian everyday.

Nick

[ 12-30-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]</p>

[macanoid™]

Check Mac OS X hints for a work around.

<a href="http://www.macoshints.com" target="_blank">http://www.macoshints.com</a>

[trevorM]

So how are Apples iApps as bad as Microsoft? I'm missing your point?

[Defiant]

this would have been better as a topic in GeniusBar, not as a rant.

[Frank777]

Trevor,

His point is that Apple is now using their "OS monopoly" to allow preferential treatment of Apple iApps, in the way that Microsoft apps instantly activate Explorer.

[Kickaha]

Except that they don't.

System Preferences -&gt; Internet

Click on the Mail tab, set your mail app to whatever you wish... voila. ALL mail triggers(*) will now use the app you select, no matter what app it is.

* Assuming that the app doing the triggering was written according to Apple's guidelines. If, instead, it is hardwired to trigger a specific mailer application, then you're stuck.

This is nothing like what MS does, sorry. This is called playing fairly.

EDIT: Reread the original post... looks like iPhoto *doesn't* use the proper triggering guidelines. (Can't say as I've ever tried this.) My guess is that because of its OS9/Carbon background, this is one of those things they haven't gotten around to updating for X yet. :p Bad, BAD Apple. No biscuit.

Is this the only iApp that does this? If it is, it's a bug. If not, it's a disturbing trend. Right now it looks like a bug.

[ 12-29-2002: Message edited by: Kickaha ]</p>

[BuonRotto]

Well, Mail has a hook to iChat/AIM where you can see whether someone in your mailbox is online. Look under View&gt; Columns&gt; Buddy Availability.

iPhoto feels rushed in many respects. I see this issue as being evidence of that.

[trumptman]

[quote]Originally posted by macanoid™:
<strong>Check Mac OS X hints for a work around.

<a href="http://www.macoshints.com" target="_blank">http://www.macoshints.com</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

I couldn't find a workaround. Could you post a more specific link please?

Nick

[MacLuv]

[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>iPhoto feels rushed in many respects. I see this issue as being evidence of that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think most of the iApps are really bad, but I've been over that a long time ago. I use iView Media Pro instead of iPhoto. (and lately I've just used Photshop's built in browser).

:)

[ 12-29-2002: Message edited by: MacLuv ]</p>

[stunned]

The only iApp that is great is iTunes. The rest are just so so. iCal sucks the most.

[iBrowse]

and iSync...?

[BuonRotto]

iMovie is a good app, it just hasn't been updated in a while.

[MacLuv]

Yeah I think the only few apps Apple has on its side at this time is iTunes, which could use some work, and iMovie, which I have a lot of fun using, although it could be a little more powerful. Unfortunately when I paid over NZ $3000 for my eMac it was a little too much considering I'll never be able to upgrade this paperweight. This may be my last Mac and I knew that when I purchased it.

:(

[sushiism]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA anyone who says apple is getting like microsoft has clearly never really used much from microsoft. Every product apple makes has been an utter joy for me, yet every second i spend on any pc fills me with rage due to some of the horrific crap i have to put up with. A simple bug such as not respecting your email client choice does not mean apple are becoming ms, for **** sake your hard to please its easy to overlook such a small problem especially when most people use mail because its a damn fine email program.

[Spart]

...He complains about an (admittedly, on my side) Microsoft-like bug(?) in iPhoto, but is himself using Outlook Express, a Microsoft product, by choice.

I think he's just looking for something to complain about.

[Paul]

[quote]Originally posted by Kickaha:
<strong>My guess is that because of its OS9/Carbon background, this is one of those things they haven't gotten around to updating for X yet. :p Bad, BAD Apple. No biscuit.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
iPhoto? OS X ONLY
Mail? OS X ONLY
:p ;)
sorry, guess again...
:) <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

[cowerd]

[quote][Laughing] [Laughing]
iPhoto? OS X ONLY
Mail? OS X ONLY<hr></blockquote>
Why bring up Mail--its iPhoto that has the hardwired trigger to Mail?
And iPhoto is a carbon app and technically has an OS9 background, from whence most Carbon APIs came.

[ 12-30-2002: Message edited by: cowerd ]</p>

[Paul]

:( iPhoto was one of the main reasons why i wanted to try OS X...

only after did i find out how much it sucks...

i guess this is why <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

they shoulda made an os 9 version, would have been faster...

[Kickaha]

[quote]Originally posted by cowerd:
<strong>
Why bring up Mail--its iPhoto that has the hardwired trigger to Mail?
And iPhoto is a carbon app and technically has an OS9 background, from whence most Carbon APIs came.

[ 12-30-2002: Message edited by: cowerd ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thank you cowerd. Paul missed the point, apparently.

Although in all fairness I will admit to having a brainfart when writing that and thinking that iPhoto was also an OS9/Carbon capable app, like iTunes. Silly me. I guess I can be forgiven though since I haven't run &lt; X in, er... four years? (Beta tested Rhapsody, I did. :) )

The Carbon libs at the time iPhoto was produced had some serious sharp edges when it came to inter-app workings. (They were trying to replicate Internet Config in Carbon, and clean it up at the same time... almost worked.) Cocoa's support for such is pretty sweet, and Carbon has since been pretty well fleshed out in this arena, but until iPhoto is updated, it can't use the newer Carbon libs. (Silly non-dynamically bound languages.)

So the iPhoto team likely took a shortcut to get around the Carbon problems, and it stuck. Bad Apple. No biscuit.

But of course we've all sent feedback to the bug reporting page... riiiiiiiight?

[trumptman]

[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
<strong>...He complains about an (admittedly, on my side) Microsoft-like bug(?) in iPhoto, but is himself using Outlook Express, a Microsoft product, by choice.

I think he's just looking for something to complain about.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I mean I made it up and all. iPhoto should follow and use whatever has been set in your preferences. If Apple doesn't use their own API's then why should anyone else?

Also when you talk about why I use Outlook Express it is to access my Hotmail account. See when I got free email Microsoft and Yahoo, they didn't turn around and tell me to grab my ankles a year later, Apple did.

Nick

[Spart]

Never said you made it up. Just pointing out that you don't complain about not being able to click on a link in OE and use anything other than Explorer, while you feverishly moan about iPhoto's inability to use anything other than Mail.

[alcimedes]

sounds like a legitimate complaint to me. he has his settings, they don't work in iPhoto. Mail.app is the only option. that sucks if you don't use Mail.

-alcimedes

don't know why you're giving him a hard time. it's the same crap, just a different company.

[Spart]

If you're wondering why I and others are giving him a hard time just read the thread title.

[Brad]

This is a single app with a single design flaw that you found at a mere 1.x version.

You take this to mean that Apple is being like Microsoft in that it is using its gazillion-dollar monopolistic super-powers to bully an entire industry into using certain products? Oh please.

[Spart]

Thank you.

[cowerd]

[quote]don't know why you're giving him a hard time. it's the same crap, just a different company.<hr></blockquote>You mean iPhoto opening the Mail.app is the same as shipping a non-standard java VM and then dropping platform java support, or forcing users to register a PASSPORT account to use IM, or breaking file formats from one version of PC Office to the next. We won't even get into Open Licence v6.0, or the MS-Linux FUD-fest.

If any Apple behavior has been MS-like its the whole theme issue. This is just bad coding.

A legitimate complaint is one thing, a hyperbolic comparison is another. He should have just gone straight to NAZI.

[Brad]

By the way, from the front page:

Digital Hub
Discussion of digital peripherals and the iApps.

So, moving now...