CNN GOP Debate 6/5

[SDW2001]

Another week, another debate. Man, this is going to get old:

1. Can we please just get rid of Paul, Brownback, T. Thompson, Gilmore and Tancredo already? They have no shot. They're unelectable. I don't want to hear them anymore.

2. The questions sucked, and they didn't give the candidates enough time to answer.

3. Andersen Cooper is fucking tool. After the debate he actually said "in much of our next two hours we are going to discuss how in many ways the Republican Party is in disarray. You or I may agree with that (I actually do) but it's not appropriate for an "impartial" anchor.

3. Larry King is a big fake. And man, when he scowls, he looks like the crankiest old man I've ever seen. See the report on Drudge about him complaining about his time allotment, and then listen to him talk about "his friend" Cooper and "the best team in politics."

4. How about another Guiliani abortion question guys? We haven't had enough of those.

5. Romney came off as a cheap Reagan imitator. I didn't think he did that well. He was too polished, something that's hurt him considerably.

6. I thought McCain was good.

7. I like Duncan Hunter, but he was just kind of "there" this time around.

8. My feeling is Guilani won. I know many here can't stand him, but I am becoming more and more impressed with his stance on the issues and the way he communicates with the audience. I said before he "wasn't my guy" and I think that when F. Thompson enters, I will likely support him based on what I've heard thus far. But Rudy sounds better and better to me, both with what he says, and how he says it.

9. Ron Paul is becoming a caricature of himself. I know many (read: basically all) here like him, but he seems to have one point and that's non-interference in world affairs.

10. I like Huckabee...I just don't think he's electable. I thought he generally did well.


That's all for now. Your thoughts....

[trumptman]

I think that if CNN were smart, they would combine the debates with an American Idol like format and vote someone off each week. The winner gets 90 minutes of free air time.

Nick

[@_@ Artman]

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Wolf Blitzer for the win!!! Sigh.........:no:


Corporate Media Has Decided The 2008 Election For Us (http://www.thinkmoderate.com/2007/06/corporate-media-has-decided-2008.html)

Connie Rice: Top 10 Secrets They Don't Want You to Know About the Debates (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4052162)

Here's a boiled down version on how debates/elections work... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=TNjkiT-7vd0)

[groverat]

Raise your hand if you like the debates!

[SpamSandwich]

Better too many candidates at this stage than not enough, but they need to extend the Q&A.

[southside grabowski]

I agree that Guiliani looked the best. I felt that he and McCain came across as sincere. The more I hear Guiliani, the more I like him.

Cooper is a whiny pin head. Can't tolerate him.

[@_@ Artman]

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[jamac]

Which of the candidates said that multi lingual countries do not work?
I would like to point out Switzerland: 4 official languages and simply one of the best countries on the planet.

[spindler]

I am on the liberal side so most of it nauseated me. However I have to say that McCain does come off as a guy saying his own thoughts and not talking through a filter. I love Giuliani's relaxed but charismatic personality but I don't know how midwesterners or southerners would see him. The minor candidates do suck besides Brownback. I thought he was pretty good.

I could see how the average non-thinking American would be more entertained by this debate than the Democrats recent debate. All of the Republicans were good speakers whereas Mike Gravel sounded like an old fool and Joe Biden was overexcited in his talking. This is more proof of how Republicans are just better politicians than Democrats. Of course, they can afford to be since they are on the take from everyone. Even the camerawork from CNN seemed much tighter in the angles that they used.

And also Romney looks like a super hero. There is something too ridiculous about his face from all the plastic surgery. He looks like he could fly into the air. I think after Bush even brain dead Republicans are looking for someone who they can actually trust and who seems to have some thought processes going on. It's either going to be McCain or Giuliani. Romney just appears too fake and deliberate in his intensity.

[SpamSandwich]

I am on the liberal side so most of it nauseated me.

Then you should have nothing but warm feelings for Ron Paul. :D

[SpamSandwich]

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Where can we get these shirts? :smokey:

[jamac]

Dear Mr Romney:UN and Saddam (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/16/iraq.un.letter/) we went to war why exactly?

[SDW2001]

I am on the liberal side so most of it nauseated me. However I have to say that McCain does come off as a guy saying his own thoughts and not talking through a filter. I love Giuliani's relaxed but charismatic personality but I don't know how midwesterners or southerners would see him. The minor candidates do suck besides Brownback. I thought he was pretty good.

I could see how the average non-thinking American would be more entertained by this debate than the Democrats recent debate. All of the Republicans were good speakers whereas Mike Gravel sounded like an old fool and Joe Biden was overexcited in his talking. This is more proof of how Republicans are just better politicians than Democrats. Of course, they can afford to be since they are on the take from everyone. Even the camerawork from CNN seemed much tighter in the angles that they used.

And also Romney looks like a super hero. There is something too ridiculous about his face from all the plastic surgery. He looks like he could fly into the air. I think after Bush even brain dead Republicans are looking for someone who they can actually trust and who seems to have some thought processes going on. It's either going to be McCain or Giuliani. Romney just appears too fake and deliberate in his intensity.

1. So the debate's purpose is entertainment? And only "non-thinkers" would be entertained, and by implication...Republicans are non-thinkers?

2. Republicans are on the take more than Democrats. Gotcha. :no:

3. I thought the camera work was particularly horrible, actually. I'm not saying it was biased one way or the other...just that it sucked.

4. Romney does look like a super hero. Has he had surgery though? I've never heard that he has.

5. McCain didn't do well in the dial-up focus groups. He got slammed.

6. It's going to be F. Thomspon or Giuliani.

[SDW2001]

Which of the candidates said that multi lingual countries do not work?
I would like to point out Switzerland: 4 official languages and simply one of the best countries on the planet.

Good point, though I think he's right in most other instances. I don't like him, I'm just saying...

[@_@ Artman]

Where can we get these shirts? :smokey:

Zazzle.com (http://www.zazzle.com/product/235290785337342162) :smokey:

[thuh Freak]

6. It's going to be F. Thomspon ...

:lol: When will republicans stop sending actors toward the white house? ...damned elitist hollywood types...

[SDW2001]

:lol: When will republicans stop sending actors toward the white house? ...damned elitist hollywood types...

OK, you get a point for that one. That said, I like Thompson thus far. He definitely seems less steeped in BS than any other candidate.

[jamac]

Good point, though I think he's right in most other instances. I don't like him, I'm just saying...

Austrian Empire 1913:
The Monarch Franz Josef decides after 80 years of status quo to demand that every Austrian citizen carry identification in German language. At that time there were a multitude of ethnic groups within the vast very much USA like empire. No, he did not even want everybody to speak German just to have a document in German to ease administrative difficulties. The Serbs were so incensed about this proposal that they decided to assassinate Franz Ferdinand the follower to the throne.....
The rest is history.
Repubes really got to try reading sometime. It can help make better decisions.

[thuh Freak]

OK, you get a point for that one. That said, I like Thompson thus far. He definitely seems less steeped in BS than any other candidate.

I haven't seen much at all of his genuine politics. But I have seen many of his episodes on L&O. His right leaning positions are often comical, imo, for a ny da. he seemed out of place on the show; i presume nbc's reaction to an increasingly vocal conservatism across the nation. L&O does make for a good comedy here and there. i spose he would do better than ol jack mccoy, whom the writers have seen fit to throw on opposite sides of the same issue on differing seasons.

[SDW2001]

Austrian Empire 1913:
The Monarch Franz Josef decides after 80 years of status quo to demand that every Austrian citizen carry identification in German language. At that time there were a multitude of ethnic groups within the vast very much USA like empire. No, he did not even want everybody to speak German just to have a document in German to ease administrative difficulties. The Serbs were so incensed about this proposal that they decided to assassinate Franz Ferdinand the follower to the throne.....
The rest is history.
Repubes really got to try reading sometime. It can help make better decisions.

OK, that's it. You're off the wagon. So WWI started because of that common language document?. Prolly not.

[SDW2001]

I haven't seen much at all of his genuine politics. But I have seen many of his episodes on L&O. His right leaning positions are often comical, imo, for a ny da. he seemed out of place on the show; i presume nbc's reaction to an increasingly vocal conservatism across the nation. L&O does make for a good comedy here and there. i spose he would do better than ol jack mccoy, whom the writers have seen fit to throw on opposite sides of the same issue on differing seasons.

Well..I like what he has to say thus far, his general approach, his Senate experience, etc. No major red flags for me yet. He does have those Clinton eye bags though! GASP!

[@_@ Artman]

OK, you get a point for that one. That said, I like Thompson thus far. He definitely seems less steeped in BS than any other candidate.

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[SDW2001]

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Now THAT I like! :)

[sammi jo]

Whats with Giuliani? Ask him a question that he's not comfortable with and you'll get arrested and charged with "criminal trespass". That is what happened to Matt Lepacek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30) a member of www.infowars.com, who had a valid CNN pass to a public event.

Democracy, freedom of speech and assembly? Forget it. These hallmarks of a civilized society are melting away faster than an icecube in the Sahara.

[@_@ Artman]

Now THAT I like! :)

Scooter Libby should be pardoned says Fred Thompson (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=sentencing_of_scooter_libby&ns=FredThompson&dt=06/07/2007&page=full&comments=true)

IMO: Fred Thompson has just declared himself unelectable.

Enjoy your t-shirt.

[jamac]

OK, that's it. You're off the wagon. So WWI started because of that common language document?. Prolly not.

SDW I am Austrian a country with a very good school system and history is something they are really picky about.

[@_@ Artman]

Whats with Giuliani? Ask him a question that he's not comfortable with and you'll get arrested and charged with "criminal trespass". That is what happened to Matt Lepacek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30) a member of www.infowars.com, who had a valid CNN pass to a public event.

Democracy, freedom of speech and assembly? Forget it. These hallmarks of a civilized society are melting away faster than an icecube in the Sahara.

Ah yes, the good old days where reporters were free and allowed access to all political functions...oh wait (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRUhIIt-HgE). ;)

That's the 1968 Democratic Convention. Meh. Nothing changes sammi, nothing. :no:

Back to the present...

Criminal Indictments Sought Against Police, Giuliani Staffers Who Had Reporter Arrested For Asking Question (http://infowars.com/articles/us/giuliani_criminal_indictments_sought_against_polic e_for_arresting_reporter.htm)

Eyewitnesses describe how Secret Service were directing arrest, intimidation of group

Matt Lepacek, the reporter who was kicked out of the CNN press room and arrested after asking Rudy Giuliani's staff a question, has now been released on bail. Criminal indictments are now being pursued against the police involved as well as Giuliani's staffers for their flagrant abuse of the First Amendment, assault and wrongful arrest.

[SDW2001]

Whats with Giuliani? Ask him a question that he's not comfortable with and you'll get arrested and charged with "criminal trespass". That is what happened to Matt Lepacek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30) a member of www.infowars.com, who had a valid CNN pass to a public event.

Democracy, freedom of speech and assembly? Forget it. These hallmarks of a civilized society are melting away faster than an icecube in the Sahara.

sammi, your opinion on RG is just not credible. You positively hate the man. Why should we listen to anything you say about him?

[SDW2001]

Scooter Libby should be pardoned says Fred Thompson (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=sentencing_of_scooter_libby&ns=FredThompson&dt=06/07/2007&page=full&comments=true)

IMO: Fred Thompson has just declared himself unelectable.

Enjoy your t-shirt.

Then your opinion is wrong. There is a very good case for Libby being pardoned. There is an even better argument that the sentence was grossly excessive.

[SDW2001]

SDW I am Austrian a country with a very good school system and history is something they are really picky about.

Apparently not so well versed in the written word, though. ;)

[sammi jo]

sammi, your opinion on RG is just not credible. You positively hate the man. Why should we listen to anything you say about him?

What the #$%#ing hell is going on with Giuliani? Why can't he answer a simple question without resorting to police state techniques? It clearly shows that he was bothered by that particular question to such an extent that his henchman had the questioner arrested, despite the fact the questioner had a CNN pass, and was attending a public function? Is it not, in a free society, permissable to be able to question political candidates without ear of arrest? After all, political candidates are running for *public" office. Do you not understand what the word PUBLIC means? Do you believe that our (alleged) representatives should be isolated and filtered, and only be allowed to field softball questions which cause no embarassment, like Bush and Cheney etc.?

And,.. since when have I expressed any hatred for Giuliani as a person? I have no hate for him.. only disgust. He behaved in a manner not befitting his position as mayor, and he should be held fully accountable.

[SpamSandwich]

Then your opinion is wrong. There is a very good case for Libby being pardoned. There is an even better argument that the sentence was grossly excessive.

Yeah, for him and Paris Hilton. :p

[SDW2001]

What the #$%#ing hell is going on with Giuliani? Why can't he answer a simple question without resorting to police state techniques? It clearly shows that he was bothered by that particular question to such an extent that his henchman had the questioner arrested, despite the fact the questioner had a CNN pass, and was attending a public function? Is it not, in a free society, permissable to be able to question political candidates without ear of arrest? After all, political candidates are running for *public" office. Do you not understand what the word PUBLIC means? Do you believe that our (alleged) representatives should be isolated and filtered, and only be allowed to field softball questions which cause no embarassment, like Bush and Cheney etc.?

And,.. since when have I expressed any hatred for Giuliani as a person? I have no hate for him.. only disgust. He behaved in a manner not befitting his position as mayor, and he should be held fully accountable.

:lol:

[SDW2001]

Yeah, for him and Paris Hilton. :p

Uh....

[SpamSandwich]

Uh....

First time I've actually seen you speechless. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[thuh Freak]

sammi, your opinion on RG is just not credible.

I can't help but laugh when a water carrier judges someone else's credibility.

[SDW2001]

I can't help but laugh when a water carrier judges someone else's credibility.

Don't be an asshole.

[thuh Freak]

Don't be an asshole.

I'll try. Sammi's story is true though, I've seen it in a local ny paper.

[SDW2001]

I'll try. Sammi's story is true though, I've seen it in a local ny paper.

Well, then it must be true. There can't be another side. Even if true, it doesn't matter because my point remains. Her opinion is not credible. She despises the man and feels he is a corrupt, inhuman bastard who let the poor WTC workers suffer and may have been in on the "plot" to bring down the WTC with explosives. Just read her for a while and you'll see what I mean. We can all agree or disagree with Guilani, like him or dislike him, but she can't be taken seriously on this topic.

[thuh Freak]

Well, then it must be true. There can't be another side. Even if true, it doesn't matter because my point remains. Her opinion is not credible. She despises the man and feels he is a corrupt, inhuman bastard who let the poor WTC workers suffer and may have been in on the "plot" to bring down the WTC with explosives. Just read her for a while and you'll see what I mean. We can all agree or disagree with Guilani, like him or dislike him, but she can't be taken seriously on this topic.

I have read her over the years, and I find it funny that you continue on this. She picks up on some of the outrageous stories, and often the ones that tend toward conspiracy theories. This one, i think, is different. I couldn't be bothered to watch it, but I think they have a video of the incident.

[SDW2001]

I have read her over the years, and I find it funny that you continue on this. She picks up on some of the outrageous stories, and often the ones that tend toward conspiracy theories. This one, i think, is different. I couldn't be bothered to watch it, but I think they have a video of the incident.

The incident is really not the point though. It's a matter of motivation.

[addabox]

The incident is really not the point though. It's a matter of motivation.

Why? We can judge the implications of the incident for ourselves, right? Sammi provided links, beyond just saying "Giuliani did a bad thing, he's a bad man", right?

So what does it matter if she hates the guy, or not? If Senator Clinton kills a guy for sport, and you're the first one here to start a thread about it, do we get to dismiss the killing as an artifact of your animosity?

[Northgate]

Why? We can judge the implications of the incident for ourselves, right? Sammi provided links, beyond just saying "Giuliani did a bad thing, he's a bad man", right?

So what does it matter if she hates the guy, or not? If Senator Clinton kills a guy for sport, and you're the first one here to start a thread about it, do we get to dismiss the killing as an artifact of your animosity?

Why is unbridled animosity toward Clinton constantly justified by those on the right while simultaneously accusing liberals of Bush "hatred"?

[Northgate]

Then your opinion is wrong. There is a very good case for Libby being pardoned. There is an even better argument that the sentence was grossly excessive.

So you think Paris Hilton should be locked up and thrown away the key, but lying to a federal prosecutor about the outing of a CIA operative should be given a pass?

Just wanted to make sure I got your "gut instinct" on how justice should be carried out in this country.

For the record I think Paris should do her time and so should Scooter. Maybe they can share a cell and he can come out with a strange case of a rash too. LOL!

[SDW2001]

Why? We can judge the implications of the incident for ourselves, right? Sammi provided links, beyond just saying "Giuliani did a bad thing, he's a bad man", right?

So what does it matter if she hates the guy, or not? If Senator Clinton kills a guy for sport, and you're the first one here to start a thread about it, do we get to dismiss the killing as an artifact of your animosity?

And let me ask you: What is the perception of me as it pertains to my view of the Senator? The difference is I fully acknowledge that I despise her. I don't claim to be objective about her. Sammi is trying to pawn herself off as impartial.

Why is unbridled animosity toward Clinton constantly justified by those on the right while simultaneously accusing liberals of Bush "hatred"?

I actually agree with that point. Though, I think the animosity towards Bush is more pronounced.

So you think Paris Hilton should be locked up and thrown away the key, but lying to a federal prosecutor about the outing of a CIA operative should be given a pass?

Just wanted to make sure I got your "gut instinct" on how justice should be carried out in this country.

For the record I think Paris should do her time and so should Scooter. Maybe they can share a cell and he can come out with a strange case of a rash too. LOL!

I think it's totally different. As I've stated, the prosecutor in the Libby case did not act in good faith. He knew no underlying crime existed, yet he pushed on. He knew who the leak was, yet he pushed on. And yes, Libby lied. But there's a good case to be made that he was the victim of a kind of entrapment. It's a little like a police officer arresting you without probable cause, then finding a bag of weed in glove box. Yeah, you had the weed. But he had no reason to pull you over or search the car.