Family Security Matters removes this article advocating Bush becoming a dictator.

[@_@ Artman]

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If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.

So, who is Family Security Matters? From Source watch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Family_Security_Matters):

Family Security Matters is a conservative front group that claims to represent "security moms" and supports President George W. Bush.

Following an appearance on Fox News, Media Matters for America noted that "Family Security Matters (FSM) is a front group for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a conservative Washington think tank "committed to the time-tested philosophy of promoting international peace through American strength."

Their Mission:

"Our mission is to inform all Americans, men and women, about the issues surrounding national security; to address their fears about safety and security on a personal, family, community, national and international level; to highlight the connection between individual safety and a strong national defense; to increase civic participation and political responsibility; and to empower all Americans to become proactive defenders of our national security and community safety."

Dick Cheney was on the board of the parent organization.

Also:

FSM is a front group for the Center for Security Policy (CSP) which is linked to a Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000 (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Study_Group_on_a_New_Israeli_Strat egy_Toward_2000).

In 1996, the Study Group produced the report "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm". [edit] On Iraq

1996 report - "Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right"

I'd dig deeper (a lot of good source links on Source Watch) but I'd be afraid I'd never come back to reality.

This site is fucking scary shit. There's no way to sidestep it...it just openly advocates flat out fascism. Not just this article, but the whole site (http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/). I've never seen anything like it outside the lunatic-lunatic-fringe. The fact that this site has money behind it and comes from very well-connected and powerful people is terrifying.

We are in very real and serious danger here folks. We are in Germany in the 1930s. We are one terrorist attack away from the loss of our constitution.

[segovius]

:no: Utter scum. Lying scum too.

I'm very much afraid another 'terror attack' will not be necessary.

It's reaching terminal velocity and no sheep or ostrich will be able to stop it even if they wake up now...

[dmz]

The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead.

:wow:

I doubt the loss of the constitution, but certainly a catastrophic failure of editorial control.

[Bacillus]

We are in very real and serious danger here folks. We are in Germany in the 1930s. We are one terrorist attack away from the loss of our constitution.

We are not 'Germany in the 1930' - what tripe.

The last time I checked, the opposition party in control of the Congress, there is a liberal-slanted media out there, and elections happen as scheduled.

As for our constitution, there has been a steady erosion almost since its creation.

[Jubelum]

A link to a group that is linked to a group that is fronting for a group that is linked to a group. Snazzy.

"I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate."

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/4/4b/Darkhelmet.jpg/180px-Darkhelmet.jpg

Fascism? Mmkay. Not buying there. Where is all that "valid voice in American politics" stuff I am always getting bombarded with from the loony left?

[Jubelum]

As for our constitution, there has been a steady erosion almost since its creation.

True dat, bro. Tru Dat.

[@_@ Artman]

A link to a group that is linked to a group that is fronting for a group that is linked to a group. Snazzy.

"I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate."

Fascism? Mmkay. Not buying there. Where is all that "valid voice in American politics" stuff I am always getting bombarded with from the loony left?

Just read the page about the board and who's on it. Seriously, those people scare me more than the terrorists. Barbara Comstock, pundit and TV advocate for the Bush administration as well as a big "Save Scooter" mover. Take note of everyone attached to this site and become aware of what they do in the future. These are some dangerous people.

[Jubelum]

Just read the page about the board and who's on it. Seriously, those people scare me more than the terrorists. Barbara Comstock, pundit and TV advocate for the Bush administration as well as a big "Save Scooter" mover. Take note of everyone attached to this site and become aware of what they do in the future. These are some dangerous people.

I would say that, taken together, the group has about as much real power as any other group populated by power-elites and tinfoil-hat-wearing sheep. There should be no surprise that people who see the world a certain way (American exceptionalism and support Israel's perspective) should gather together to have their voices heard, and try to make a difference in the outcome. This is no different from what any other PAC or PAC-type group does in 21st Century America. It just so happens that this is one that upsets you as much as DailyKOS and CodePink upset me.

Yes, there are disturbing things happening in our government... just as there have been for at least 80 years. It's just getting a little more public and a whole lot more scary as they are just now knocking on the door of many core liberties. I appreciate your perspective, Artman, I truly do- but there has to be something between this group that alarms you and the 180 degree opposite that is just as bad on the left wing.

[@_@ Artman]

We are not 'Germany in the 1930' - what tripe.

The author is writing tripe. German fascism? Maybe not. This is very clearly a domestic fascist organization though. "Freedom Fascism".

The last time I checked, the opposition party in control of the Congress, there is a liberal-slanted media out there, and elections happen as scheduled.

Coming from you, that makes me so much more safe and secure...:rolleyes:

As for our constitution, there has been a steady erosion almost since its creation.

The problem with erosion is that if you don't stop it, it becomes a flood or a dry wasteland. So let's keep that cynicism going, you know these nut-jobs need it.

[sammi jo]

We are not 'Germany in the 1930' - what tripe.

The similarities are more than striking. Bush Corp is NOT real conservatism by any stretch. True conservatism is more about individual responsibility and non-interference by central government. In contrast, BushCorp is about squashing dissent, they are obsessed with surveillance and security, using "terrorism" as an excuse, trashing the constitution, infusing their preferred religion with government, and merging corporate and state power, while influencing/controlling the people by fear tactics. These are the classic hallmarks of that other F-word, FASCISM. Some people agree with the concept of fascism: perhaps you are one of those, but they are in the minority. I don't actually know anyone who would publicly admit they support a fascist agenda.. because of the F-word's gnarly popular associations... but a number of people, privately, for reasons best known to them, really want us all to live "under heavy manners".

The last time I checked, the opposition party in control of the Congress,

What opposition party? The last time I checked, the "Democratic" majority in Congress is a "yes sir, no sir" rubber stamp for BushCorp. I cannot decide if they are wimps, weasels, or just plain cowards and appeasers. Appeasers is probably the most apt term.... reminds me of the case of poor old naive Neville Chamberlain getting hoodwinked by BushCorp's mentors.

there is a liberal-slanted media out there,

If you count Mother Jones, The Nation, perhaps and a few other minor publications as "the media", you may be correct. Of course the major media you're really talking about ... the purveyors of the huge majority of copy and opinion that Americans are exposed to, is owned and directed by a cartel of 5 or 6 very large multinationals, and they have endorsed (or gone along with, without question) pretty much everything that's happened in the last 6.5 years. Of course, to make them appear "fair and balanced", they do employ the odd token dissenter, like Keith Olbermann on MSNBC. (However K.O. is starting to appear a little too passionate and sounds as if he means what he says. (I give him another 6 months at best before he's fired or put out to 'wellpaid pasture' where he can't cause trouble). Then there's Jon Stewart and Paul Colbert... but that's tolerated because they make people laugh, and laughing feels good.

and elections happen as scheduled.

...but are the results accurate, when public elections of public representatives are run and controlled by machines with privately owned, proprietary secret software, which are proven to both unreliable and hackable? Absolutely NOT. Fraudulent elections... another hallmark of FASCISM. Will the scheduled elections of 2008 happen? Probably not of there's another "terrorist" attack.. which is exactly what some of the more outspoken supporters of BushCorp want and need.. and they have said so publicly. Another large scale attack will probably mean a suspension of elections (and the Constitution), and a continuation of the current regime for the foreseeable future.

As for our constitution, there has been a steady erosion almost since its creation.

Imagine a lowpass filter with a cut-off frequency set to, say, 10kHz, and rolloff rate of 30dB/octave. We are on that kind of downslope now, relative to what happened in the decades before BushCorp.

[@_@ Artman]

I would say that, taken together, the group has about as much real power as any other group populated by power-elites and tinfoil-hat-wearing sheep. There should be no surprise that people who see the world a certain way (American exceptionalism and support Israel's perspective) should gather together to have their voices heard, and try to make a difference in the outcome. This is no different from what any other PAC or PAC-type group does in 21st Century America. It just so happens that this is one that upsets you as much as DailyKOS and CodePink upset me.

Yes, there are disturbing things happening in our government... just as there have been for at least 80 years. It's just getting a little more public and a whole lot more scary as they are just now knocking on the door of many core liberties. I appreciate your perspective, Artman, I truly do- but there has to be something between this group that alarms you and the 180 degree opposite that is just as bad on the left wing.

Well, it shouldn't suprise anyone, really. Fascism was fashionable with the wealthy and educated elites in the thirties, it would be more surprising if every single one of their children gave it up entirely. So I never understood why people were called conspiracy theorists just for believing that! You have wackos with neo-nazi websites, what's so unlikely about a couple of wackos smart enough to be discreet about their views?

DailyKOS and CodePink(?) don't:

Advocate Genocide:

"The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead."

Once again advocate genocide and the overthrow of our government for a fascist regime:

"If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies."

"He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court." This is hardly the type of content I expected on "Family Security Matters".

Update...

Seems that the President of Family Security Matters (Carol Taber) took the article down herself after she received a barrage of email from people who read the cached copy from DailyKOS and other websites and blogs. She needs to be a little more editorial in her position, don't you think? Let's hope they understand that commentary of this nature is permitted in this country, but the consequences and reactions of others will certainly send the critics barging in your door.

[Jubelum]

Well, we all know that the current right wing marketing machine is finally catching up to that of the left. Neocons have finally wised up and realized that some good polish can really help sell the shit... terms like "terrorists will win" are finally marching side by side with "for the children" in pop culture rhetoric.

DailyKOS and CodePink(?) don't:
Advocate Genocide:

Yes, but they do sound a lot like the same crowd that killed 100 million people in the 20th century alone in the USSR, China, Cambodia, etc. Never mind the economic enslavement of millions of others. As far a genocide- there were 3500 abortions in America today. :\

Let's hope they understand that commentary of this nature is permitted in this country, but the consequences and reactions of others will certainly send the critics barging in your door.


Which will be a nice warm up for when the government knocks the damn thing down outright for violating some obscure EO or clause in PATRIOT that prohibits opinion outside of a "free speech zone." :no:

[dmz]

Also, if anything America is drifting left, not right.

[@_@ Artman]

Yes, but they do sound a lot like the same crowd that killed 100 million people in the 20th century alone in the USSR, China, Cambodia, etc. Never mind the economic enslavement of millions of others. As far a genocide- there were 3500 abortions in America today. :\

Please expand on this for me. It isn't because I'm stupid or ignorant. It's just that I have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Meanwhile, here's a big number to swallow while I wait...

69,784 Civilian Deaths Estimated in Iraq (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/)

Oh wait! I get it. You mean Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot! What are the other allegations though, still waiting.

[franksargent]

Also, if anything America is drifting left, not right.

Say it ain't so, because I was SO looking forward to our near term jackboot future selves. :\

http://photos4.flickr.com/6612032_ffda2e814b.jpg

[dmz]

Please expand on this for me. It isn't because I'm stupid or ignorant. It's just that I have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
Say it ain't so, because I was SO looking forward to our near term jackboot future selves. :\


Well, in modern political history, the Left's human-rights track record is actually much worse than the Right's.





Wait a minute -- what do we have to look forward to again? If the extreme Right has it's way we're in for the sequel to Dr. Stangelove, and if the Left wins out we get to find out what it's like to live in Cuba. (great healthcare btw) Oh boy.


Unfortunately we are all much more likely to be done in by our own greed long before anything that wild happens. How about some pimped debt to go with that?

[Jubelum]

Wait a minute -- what do we have to look forward to again? If the extreme Right has it's way we're in for the sequel to Dr. Stangelove, and if the Left wins out we get to find out what it's like to live in Cuba. (great healthcare btw) Oh boy.


Well, maybe we should all vote for this guy so we can get the best of both worlds:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/jubelum_ammo/payn070813_cmyk.jpg

[addabox]

I think it's fairly astonishing that anyone would find a thread about a right wing site quite literally advocating a fascist take over, an occasion to brood on how the ethos of the killing fields of Cambodia is embodied by Daily Kos.

[franksargent]

Please expand on this for me. It isn't because I'm stupid or ignorant. It's just that I have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Meanwhile, here's a big number to swallow while I wait...

69,784 Civilian Deaths Estimated in Iraq (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/)

Oh wait! I get it. You mean Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot! What are the other allegations though, still waiting.

Hey Artman, I have a serious question, why does that database stop on June 23, 2007?

Somebody somewhere suggests that the surge is going well??? :\

But I have seen little reporting from Iraq lately from the MSM?

No body counts, etceteras. Kinda expecting some shady stats when Petraeus tells US all is well?

[@_@ Artman]

Hey Artman, I have a serious question, why does that database stop on June 23, 2007?

Somebody somewhere suggests that the surge is going well??? :\

But I have seen little reporting from Iraq lately from the MSM?

No body counts, etceteras. Kinda expecting some shady stats when Petraeus tells US all is well?

Because the wise old men eagerly await the Petraeus Report, but they'll pretend to not notice that it's going to be written by the White House (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pullback15aug15,0,4840766.story?page=1&coll=la-home-center).

Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.

The report will conclude “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” :rolleyes:

[dmz]

Well, maybe we should all vote for this guy so we can get the best of both worlds:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/jubelum_ammo/payn070813_cmyk.jpg

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Jubelum]

I think it's fairly astonishing that anyone would find a thread about a right wing site quite literally advocating a fascist take over, an occasion to brood on how the ethos of the killing fields of Cambodia is embodied by Daily Kos.

embodied? that's your word, not mine.

The delusion is that when we finally get to left-wing fuzzies and bunnies and rainbow land that there is an end to abuse by government, security, happiness, and freedom. The idiotic "utopia" that so many on the left just know that we can get on this planet. It's bullshit. Only those who either just got out of college or public school, or those who took the brown acid and teach in those institutions, are still clinging to that pathetic utopian notion.

History shows clearly that utopia to be a pipe dream, and a lethal one at that. Do you not see the parallels in rhetoric between "shared prosperity" speeches by Shrillary and the "worker's paradise" that Mao promised? Not at all? It's OK, we all know. It is the nature of the left wing. State control, socialism, lack of private property rights and penalties for having wealth or earning profit. This is what the democratic party in the US stands for. And the elephants are right behind them in the death spiral with a whole other set of problems.

If communism and left-wing socialism are so damn great, why, prey tell, was there a need for the Berlin Wall? For an Iron Curtain? For hordes of Cuban defectors? Why, if the world is SOOOOOooooo wonderful under left-wing control, does it have to be maintained at the muzzle of a government gun?

[@_@ Artman]

But I have seen little reporting from Iraq lately from the MSM?


Been pretty comprehensive across the pond...
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44048000/gif/_44048871_security_8_2gra416x498.gif


Iraq violence: monitoring the surge (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6938527.stm)

The struggle for Iraq (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2002/conflict_with_iraq/default.stm)

[dmz]

embodied? that's your word, not mine.

The delusion is that when we finally get to left-wing fuzzies and bunnies and rainbow land that there is an end to abuse by government, security, happiness, and freedom. The idiotic "utopia" that so many on the left just know that we can get on this planet. It's bullshit. Only those who either just got out of college or public school, or those who took the brown acid and teach in those institutions, are still clinging to that pathetic utopian notion.

History shows clearly that utopia to be a pipe dream, and a lethal one at that. Do you not see the parallels in rhetoric between "shared prosperity" speeches by Shrillary and the "worker's paradise" that Mao promised? Not at all? It's OK, we all know. It is the nature of the left wing. State control, socialism, lack of private property rights and penalties for having wealth or earning profit. This is what the democratic party in the US stands for. And the elephants are right behind them in the death spiral with a whole other set of problems.

If communism and left-wing socialism are so damn great, why, prey tell, was there a need for the Berlin Wall? For an Iron Curtain? For hordes of Cuban defectors? Why, if the world is SOOOOOooooo wonderful under left-wing control, does it have to be maintained at the muzzle of a government gun?
Great post.

Things could possibly be different if everyone could learn from past mistakes. But when Hugo Chavez starts nationalizing his economy and, gosh -- what a surprise -- what happened to freedom of the press, and why can't they buy groceries? Venezuela has all the money in the world, and it still counts for nothing.

There's a pattern here guys, wait a year or two and you'll be reading about his death squads. This myth of a political solution to all our problems needs to go away.







(That article about nuking Iraq was still nuts, though.)

[franksargent]

Been pretty comprehensive across the pond...
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44048000/gif/_44048871_security_8_2gra416x498.gif


Iraq violence: monitoring the surge (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6938527.stm)

The struggle for Iraq (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2002/conflict_with_iraq/default.stm)

Appreciate the links/info, thanks.

[jimmac]

Also, if anything America is drifting left, not right.


Gosh I wonder why?:wow::lol:

This sort of thing is why this whole group is the scarriest thing to come along in american government in my lifetime.

[@_@ Artman]

(That article about nuking Iraq was still nuts, though.)

Thanks. That's all I wanted to hear. All Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Left, Right, Up, Down or Human Being aside...this is not the abyss that anyone should look down into.

[dmz]

Thanks. That's all I wanted to hear. All Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Left, Right, Up, Down or Human Being aside...this is not the abyss that anyone should look down into.
You're welcome. I just called the secret police, they should be there any minute.










I guess we should have appreciated Ashcroft while we had him!