Well, it's time: E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!

[SDW2001]

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OK, so you guys knew it was coming. What can I say, I'm an Eagles maniac. Over the years, I have been very critical of Reid's performance (many of you will recall me calling for him to be fired).

But then last year happened. They turned it around in some tough circumstances. In any case, one thing remains constant: I love the Eagles, win or lose. I've been to one pre-season game and I'm going to the last one Thursday. Then I'll be at the home opener for Monday night, 9/17. SDW gets there a little early....as in 9:00 a.m. for a 8:30 p.m. game.

Anyway, a lot of commentators are picking the Eagles to go to the dance this year. On paper I have to agree. No one in the NFC is as complete as they are. New Orleans will probably be good, but other than them there is nobody. Dallas will be half decent, but they will be a distant second in the NFC East. Washington and New York suck ass, as will Atlanta (hmm...maybe getting rid of Matt Shaub wasn't such a good idea, guys). The Bears have no QB (actually, it's worse because neither Grossman nor his coach know how much he sucks) and have lost offensive power, and Seattle has a lot of question marks. I hear St. Louis might be good. My thinking is Eagles v. New Orleans or Chicago for the title game.

The problem is going to be the AFC. New England scares a lot of people (yeah, I hate them and Bill Belichick...have I mentioned?) and the Chargers look to be very good. Then there are the Colts, though I don't see them getting past the Baltimore, San Diego or New England.

Anyway, if al goes well this should my boys' year, at least to go to the 'bowl. McNabb looks great, and they're getting Kearse back. Then there is Tony Hunt, who they needed at RB. As much as I liked Trotter, he was done and it was his time (check out his post-release PC by the way...VERY classy guy...no bitterness at all).

So....Let the beer drinking, wing eating and yelling begin. E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!

[Flounder]

I wouldn't count on Kearse for all that much. He's simply nowhere near the player he once was. As a packer fan, I'd love to see Green Bay pull the upset in week 1 :)

I'm not counting on it though.

I just don't see GB doing to well against the Eagle's defense. It's at home though, and the revenge factor for the whippings the last couple years will be present. The GB front seven does have the potential to be pretty dang good this year, and I'm hopeful this year they'll be able to stop McNabb and Westbrook from going apeshit.

[iPoster]

A fellow Eagles maniac, I see! :D

The Eagles winning it all this year? Hmmm, that would be great, but Seattle and N'Orleans are no pushovers. Barring key injuries, I can definitely see them back in the title game, as long as they don't let Reid call the offense...:\

Passing 70% of the time is bad, m'kay...

[trick fall]

J-E-T-S...Jets, Jets, Jets :)

[SDW2001]

I wouldn't count on Kearse for all that much. He's simply nowhere near the player he once was. As a packer fan, I'd love to see Green Bay pull the upset in week 1 :)

I'm not counting on it though.

I just don't see GB doing to well against the Eagle's defense. It's at home though, and the revenge factor for the whippings the last couple years will be present. The GB front seven does have the potential to be pretty dang good this year, and I'm hopeful this year they'll be able to stop McNabb and Westbrook from going apeshit.

What are you talking about with Kearse? He was having a great year until he got injured last year. There's nothing to suggest he won't be back up to speed.

Gren Bay will be better but no match for the Eagles offense or defense.
A fellow Eagles maniac, I see! :D

The Eagles winning it all this year? Hmmm, that would be great, but Seattle and N'Orleans are no pushovers. Barring key injuries, I can definitely see them back in the title game, as long as they don't let Reid call the offense...:\

Passing 70% of the time is bad, m'kay...

I don't think Seattle is going to do anything this year. Too many questions. New Orleans might be a different story, I agree. In fact, revising my original prediction, I see New Orleans v. Eagles for the title.

J-E-T-S...Jets, Jets, Jets :)

:lol: I'll be at the game Thursday. I like Man-Genius, but sorry....it's going to be painful for you. Even in the pre-season.

[Cake]

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While it won't be the season that the Cowboys get their sixth Super Bowl win - it won't be the Eagles turn to get their first either.

I think Philly may win the division, but I'm guessing that that it'll be New England versus New Orleans in Super Bowl XLII.

You never know what can happen though. February 03, 2008 is a long way off.

[Flounder]

What are you talking about with Kearse? He was having a great year until he got injured last year. There's nothing to suggest he won't be back up to speed.

He's 31 and coming off his second season-ending injury. There's plenty of reason for doubt.

[a_greer]

Go Clots, Go Packers, Go Steelers in that order.

I predict that If the colts win another Super Bowl, Dungy and Manning will retire and no matter what the outcome, Brett will retire.

[SDW2001]

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While it won't be the season that the Cowboys get their sixth Super Bowl win - it won't be the Eagles turn to get their first either.

I think Philly may win the division, but I'm guessing that that it'll be New England versus New Orleans in Super Bowl XLII.

You never know what can happen though. February 03, 2008 is a long way off.

Cowboys suck. Sorry...I had to. It's in my DNA. Your comment about the Eagles is relatively unsupported. New Orleans will likely be good. However, even last year the Eagles had the ability to beat them. They should have won early in the season, only losing on the last play of the game. The playoff game would have been an Eagles win with McNabb and a better defense. So I don't agree there.

He's 31 and coming off his second season-ending injury. There's plenty of reason for doubt.

31 is still prime for an NFL player. They are still better with him than without.

Go Clots, Go Packers, Go Steelers in that order.

I predict that If the colts win another Super Bowl, Dungy and Manning will retire and no matter what the outcome, Brett will retire.

The Colts will not be as strong without the players they've lost. The Packers will still suck, though not as much as last year. Favre will retire this year. Manning will absolutely NOT retire. He's like 31. Please. Dungy has no intention of retiring, does he? I really think you just made those predictions up dude!

[Cake]

Cowboys suck. Sorry...I had to. It's in my DNA.
You think I have any respect for the Eagles? Ha! I was just trying to keep things positive - we have the whole season to rip on our beloved teams. :)

Your comment about the Eagles is relatively unsupported. New Orleans will likely be good. However, even last year the Eagles had the ability to beat them. They should have won early in the season, only losing on the last play of the game. The playoff game would have been an Eagles win with McNabb and a better defense. So I don't agree there.
Relatively unsupported? It's opinion, just as your "this should my boys' year" claim.
And don't start the "they should have won" bullshit. What happened did, in fact, happen.
A win is a win and a torn ACL is just that.

The Eagles are not a Top 5 team. Top 10 maybe.

Though a team may seem to have everything in place to go to the Super Bowl and win, things usually don't work out that way. That's what's fantastic about this game.

I'm just very happy that it's finally football season. I'm sure we can both agree about that.

[SDW2001]

You think I have any respect for the Eagles? Ha! I was just trying to keep things positive - we have the whole season to rip on our beloved teams. :)


Look, the cowboys will be a decent team. But I hate them. A lot.

Relatively unsupported? It's opinion, just as your "this should my boys' year" claim.

Uh, looking at the team, it should be, yes. Show me a more complete team in the NFC. The Eagles have no major questions other than McNabb's health and possibly their run defense. Dallas? Tony Romo is green. He had 4 good games and then made one of the biggest blunders in playoff history. TO is a major distraction...surprise, surprise. I'm a fan, but I'm being objective here. The Eagles are going to be a very solid team.

And don't start the "they should have won" bullshit. What happened did, in fact, happen.
A win is a win and a torn ACL is just that.[/quote]

I don't disagree. I'm merely saying that the Eagles of LAST YEAR were close to New Orleans, if not better by the end. That was without Donovan and with a depleted defense, no power back, etc. This year the Eagles are way better. New Orleans looks to be about the same.


The Eagles are not a Top 5 team. Top 10 maybe.

Uh, then who is? I count New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Indianapolis and Philadelphia. Who else is there? Dallas is no top 5 team. San Francisco isn't, though they'll be top 10. Seattle won't be either. So really, tell me. I'm listening.



Though a team may seem to have everything in place to go to the Super Bowl and win, things usually don't work out that way. That's what's fantastic about this game.

I'm just very happy that it's finally football season. I'm sure we can both agree about that.

I agree with both of those points. I'm sure there will be surprises. I just hope Dallas and New England sucking more are two of them. ;)

[Flounder]

31 is still prime for an NFL player. They are still better with him than without.

I'll agree with the second sentence, but not the first. At 31, he's 2-3 years off the peak, especially for a pass-rusher.

[SDW2001]

I'll agree with the second sentence, but not the first. At 31, he's 2-3 years off the peak, especially for a pass-rusher.

I don't think you can say that and base it solely on age. Last year he looked great and was having a career best year early on. We'll see how he does. Haven't seen him tonight so far...not sure if he's in.

[Bageljoey]

I don't think you can say that and base it solely on age. Last year he looked great and was having a career best year early on. We'll see how he does. Haven't seen him tonight so far...not sure if he's in.

Hey I passed on my green blood to my son, but it would be a miracle if Kerse played through the season. He is a monster when healthy, but his body has taken a beating over the years. He may be 31, but his knees are in their 40s. I only noticed him on one play tonight ("Kerse getting up slowly--he was shaken up on that one...").

Hope springs eternal, but I see no reason to be extra optimistic. There are just too many questions on defense. And there is no reason to expect the offense to be extrodinary. The eagles may well dominate the NFC East, but I think it is a weak conference this year.

Maybe I have been a Philly fan too long...

[Flounder]

I don't think you can say that and base it solely on age. Last year he looked great and was having a career best year early on. We'll see how he does. Haven't seen him tonight so far...not sure if he's in.

I'm not saying it's guaranteed. Statistically, however, that's when players peak (I wish I could find the research, because I know I've read it. Sadly it's eluding me).

Besides, two games is not enough to designate "career year, if only"

[SDW2001]

Hey I passed on my green blood to my son, but it would be a miracle if Kerse played through the season. He is a monster when healthy, but his body has taken a beating over the years. He may be 31, but his knees are in their 40s. I only noticed him on one play tonight ("Kerse getting up slowly--he was shaken up on that one...").

Hope springs eternal, but I see no reason to be extra optimistic. There are just too many questions on defense. And there is no reason to expect the offense to be extrodinary. The eagles may well dominate the NFC East, but I think it is a weak conference this year.

Maybe I have been a Philly fan too long...

Well, they didn't look great tonight. Then again, B-West and Hunt weren't really in. The defense concerned me, I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not saying it's guaranteed. Statistically, however, that's when players peak (I wish I could find the research, because I know I've read it. Sadly it's eluding me).

Besides, two games is not enough to designate "career year, if only"

Now hold on...obviously if he injured, that's different. But we were talking about him healthy, or so I assumed. Anyway...I'm simply saying they are better with him than without...much better.

[theapplegenius]

SDW: Re: bears

Are you out of your goddamn mind? Grossman is much better then he was last year. You forget that last year was his first complete year of his career. How many rookies lead their teams to the Super Bowl?

J-E-T-S...Jets, Jets, Jets :)

Amen brother.

[SDW2001]

SDW: Re: bears

Are you out of your goddamn mind? Grossman is much better then he was last year. You forget that last year was his first complete year of his career. How many rookies lead their teams to the Super Bowl?



Amen brother.


Grossman fucking sucks. He proves it every week. He's certainly not "better" than last year..not from what I've seen. I love his excuse for last year's New Year's Eve game. He said he was thinking about the evening and that's why he was distracted. haha. He is one of the worse QB's in the NFL right now. But his coach is too stupid to get rid of him.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

I'm not sure if I should join this discussion or not. I've waited 5 years for my team to be decent and this might be the year they get over the hump. For the first time ever, Sean Salisbury even said something positive about us.

Don't wanna jinx 'em.

Just please don't get hurt Frank. PLEASE.

[ronaldo]

Grossman fucking sucks. He proves it every week. He's certainly not "better" than last year..not from what I've seen. I love his excuse for last year's New Year's Eve game. He said he was thinking about the evening and that's why he was distracted. haha. He is one of the worse QB's in the NFL right now. But his coach is too stupid to get rid of him.

Go Bears.

[SDW2001]

Go Bears.

:lol::lol::lol:

I really don't dislike the Bears as a team, believe it or not. I just think Grossman sucks and Smith is really stupid not to replace him.

[SDW2001]

I'm not sure if I should join this discussion or not. I've waited 5 years for my team to be decent and this might be the year they get over the hump. For the first time ever, Sean Salisbury even said something positive about us.

Don't wanna jinx 'em.

Just please don't get hurt Frank. PLEASE.

They will probably be good. I see them as a playoff team this year, probably losing in the first round.

[ronaldo]

:lol::lol::lol:

I really don't dislike the Bears as a team, believe it or not. I just think Grossman sucks and Smith is really stupid not to replace him.

Yes, if the Bears had a good quarterback I think they would very good.

[trick fall]

:lol: I'll be at the game Thursday. I like Man-Genius, but sorry....it's going to be painful for you. Even in the pre-season.[/QUOTE]


I am not afraid. Have fun at the game.

[Flounder]

I've got to agree with SDW on the Grossman point. It's not because I'm a GB fan either. He just straight-up sucks. He's fine, and can even be pretty spectacular, against bad, to sometimes mediocre defenses.

When he faces a good defense however, rather than raise his game he folds like a house of cards.

[SactoMan01]

Eagles fans are generally great but their passionate support for the team tends to scare a lot of outsiders. I do want to see the Eagles win a Super Bowl soon, though. By the way, I blame the Eagles' coaching staff for losing the Super Bowl to the Patriots--what were they thinking by NOT running a no-huddle offense in the fourth quarter? :no:

[SDW2001]

Eagles fans are generally great but their passionate support for the team tends to scare a lot of outsiders. I do want to see the Eagles win a Super Bowl soon, though. By the way, I blame the Eagles' coaching staff for losing the Super Bowl to the Patriots--what were they thinking by NOT running a no-huddle offense in the fourth quarter? :no:

I blame the coaches and McNabb personally. I'm a McNabb fan, but he has his flaws. Personally I think they really didn't think they could win. I knew they would lose when I saw them get off the bus, and Donny had a video camera, shooting the scenes. I kind of feel like a lot of them were happy just to be there. As for the game, McNabb had TO open multiple times and missed him...didn't even make the throw. He could have shredded the Patriots defense. And then the hurry up offense or the lack thereof, that was atrocious.

And yes, be afraid. Be very afraid. Wait 'til the home opener on Monday 9/17. We are going to tear that place apart after drinking for 12 hours.

[@_@ Artman]

And yes, be afraid. Be very afraid. Wait 'til the home opener on Monday 9/17. We are going to tear that place apart after drinking for 12 hours.

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[Cake]

Eagles fans are generally great but their passionate support for the team tends to scare a lot of outsiders.
WTF are you talking about?
Eagles fans are second only to Raiders fans as the worst behaved fans in the NFL.

And yes, be afraid. Be very afraid. Wait 'til the home opener on Monday 9/17. We are going to tear that place apart after drinking for 12 hours.
See, that's what I'm talking about.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

I'd have to say the San Diego Raider fans are the worst behaved fans in the NFL.

[SDW2001]

WTF are you talking about?
Eagles fans are second only to Raiders fans as the worst behaved fans in the NFL.


See, that's what I'm talking about.


I don't think that's true actually. We're crazy, but the days of Eagles Court are gone.

[SDW2001]

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:lol::lol::lol: Fucking McNabb. He's lighter now, so hopefully the puking days are over.

[Cake]

I don't think that's true actually. We're crazy, but the days of Eagles Court are gone.

I doubt those days are gone.
Like Veterans Stadium, The Linc has a courtroom right there in the stadium. You won't see Judge Seamus McCaffrey anymore, but they know their fans and they incorporated a jail/courtroom into the design because of it.

[Bageljoey]

Forget the 4th preseason game--The Phillies are starting to make Baseball interesting again!;)

Course this glimmer of hope will surely be gone by the first real game Sept 9th...:mad:

[SDW2001]

I doubt those days are gone.
Like Veterans Stadium, The Linc has a courtroom right there in the stadium. You won't see Judge Seamus McCaffrey anymore, but they know their fans and they incorporated a jail/courtroom into the design because of it.

I don't think that's true actually. I haven't heard it before.

[SactoMan01]

WTF are you talking about?
Eagles fans are second only to Raiders fans as the worst behaved fans in the NFL.


Eagles fans were horrible-behaving back in the old Veterans Stadium days because that now-demolished stadium was a dump that contributed to bad attitude of the fans. I think the vastly more modern Lincoln Financial Field (the "Linc") has actually calmed down some of the fans there.

By the way, ESPN did a story some years ago about the day Eagles fans booed a man in a Santa Claus suit; the real story was that between the team having a seriously bad losing season and losing out on getting O.J. Simpson as the first player in the NFL draft, the fans of the team was woefully frustrated and it didn't take much to cause a riotous situation.

[iPoster]

So, what's your opinion so far on the Eagles' draft picks. I know it's early yet, but based on the pre-season so far:

Kolb - Kinda questionable taking him when McNabb has at least 5-8 good years left in him, but he looks like the real deal. Definitely be starting for someone before too long.

Hunt - Hasn't had much playing time, but seems to be starter quality material.

Celek - If he's not the starting TE by week 2 at the latest, the coaching staff is nuts.

The rest I haven't seen enough of, though Ilaoa may have some potential.

[SDW2001]

So, what's your opinion so far on the Eagles' draft picks. I know it's early yet, but based on the pre-season so far:

Kolb - Kinda questionable taking him when McNabb has at least 5-8 good years left in him, but he looks like the real deal. Definitely be starting for someone before too long.

Hunt - Hasn't had much playing time, but seems to be starter quality material.

Celek - If he's not the starting TE by week 2 at the latest, the coaching staff is nuts.

The rest I haven't seen enough of, though Ilaoa may have some potential.

Kolb: Agree, but Andy liked him for at least 4 years....saw him play as a college frosh. He's very good. And McNabb, well they're covering their bets. I'd say 8 years is a stretch...I'd go with maybe 5-6. That would make him 37 at retirement...about right. And that's if he's healthy. He could go downhill or get reinjured. The Eagles have signed Kolb to a 4 year deal, which seems about right. 4 years learning from McNabb could make Kolb the next Steve Young.

Hunt: Looks good. He's not fast and not huge, but he runs downhill and has power. I think they really need him....in fact I think they should can Buck, who I've never liked.

Celek: He's great.

Illoa: Who knows. Maybe I'll see him tomorrow as the starters won't be in much. Right now I don't hear anything great. Oh...never mind. I plant o be pretty drunk tomorrow, so who knows!

My real questions for the team at this point are the passing D....and just behind that, the running D. The latter has looked better, but they got mauled on Sunday night in the air. That is unacceptable.

[iPoster]

He's not fast and not huge

I understand the reasoning behind the NFL's obsession with certain sizes at certain positions, but look at the top 3 all time rushing leaders:

Emmitt Smith - 5'9" 207Lbs
Barry Sanders - 5'8" 203Lbs
Walter Payton - 5'10" 200Lbs

Brian Westbrook - 5'10" 203Lbs
Tony Hunt - 6'1" 233Lbs
Buckhalter - 6'0" 217Lbs

Size wise he reminds me allot of Herschel Walker (6'1", 225), though so far he doesn't look quite as powerful, or nearly as fast. (Herschel being one of those players with 'rare speed' in his prime) Should be a nice between the tackles, 'North South' runner, and the closest thing to a power back the Eagles have. Not sure about his pass catching from what games I have seen on TV so far.

I agree with you on the D, what used to be the Eagle's best area is looking like it might be mediocre this year. Hopefully Johnson has been playing a vanilla defense for the pre-season, or else the players are taking longer than usual to gel together. If they keep playing the way they are, it might be a long season...:rolleyes:

[iPoster]

...the Indianapolis Colts! :wow:

Just got done watching them take the Saints (easily in the top 3 of the NFC) to school. Barring a major injury bug, if the Colts don't repeat as champs they'd better fire Dungy!

[Flounder]

...the Indianapolis Colts! :wow:

Just got done watching them take the Saints (easily in the top 3 of the NFC) to school. Barring a major injury bug, if the Colts don't repeat as champs they'd better fire Dungy!

Don't be so hasty. It was merely the first game. Plus, once you get behind the colts by more than one score, it's REALLY easy for it to snowball into a blowout (especially when the game's in Indy), and it's been that way for the last five years.

Clearly the Colt's are a good team capable of winning a superbowl, but it's best not to go overboard.


On another note, Reggie Wayne, despite the fumble, equal :) for my fantasy team.

Marques Colston, on the other hand, equals :grumble: for my fantasy team.

[iPoster]

A bit premature maybe, but the Colts are definitely the team to beat for now. Their offense has been a powerhouse for a while, but they are finally putting together a decent defense to go with it. Scary! :devil:

(no, I'm not an Indy fan :))

[Flounder]

They looked good to be sure, but in the immortal words of Denny Green, I don't think it's time to "crown their ass"

[Flounder]

GO PACK GO!!!!

Seriously, they were very fortunate to win the game, and were saved by Philly's incredibly poor special teams play.

The O-Line is awful, and Favre is seriously loosing it, but the defense looked great.

[iPoster]

Wow, what happened to the Eagles special teams, they used to be reliable? Now they're special in a whole different way...:rolleyes:

Time for Harbaugh to pull double duty as DB and ST coach...:\

And 33 pass attempts for your QB who's coming off a knee injury?

[SDW2001]

GO PACK GO!!!!

Seriously, they were very fortunate to win the game, and were saved by Philly's incredibly poor special teams play.

The O-Line is awful, and Favre is seriously loosing it, but the defense looked great.

Well, after I pulled the remote out of the TV screen....

First, Green Bay didn't win. The Eagles lost. They beat themselves. TWO PR fumbles? Losing the game despite the opposing team not scoring an offensive touchdown? Pathetic. The special teams coach should be fired on the spot. I'm deadly serious. That second fumble was straight up amateurish. Totally unacceptable.

I was much more upset during the game. Afterwards, I see it this way:

-McNabb had kind of a bad game. I'l give him the benefit of the doubt since it's his first back. He didn't really lose the game for them though. He just didn't play his best.

-Curtis look really good. He's going to be something.

-For the most part the defense played really well. They pretty much totally stopped the offense. Without the two special teams mistakes, the score would have 13-3 Eagles, probably higher since they would have had two more possessions. This really should have been a 24-3 game. It might well have been. No excuses though.

-The offense was out of sync. That happens, but this is supposed to be a super bowl team?


Overall, a REALLY disappointing loss that makes me question my predictions quite a bit. In the end this was the Packers, who only have the redeeming value of a decent defense. Their offense blows. So if the Eagles can't beat them, I don't know. Then again, in 2002 they started 0-2 and went to the NFC Championship.

I'll be at the home opener Monday. I'm sure I'll be a raving lunatic and will have forgotten about today's loss by then.

[Bageljoey]

First, Green Bay didn't win. The Eagles lost. They beat themselves. TWO PR fumbles? Losing the game despite the opposing team not scoring an offensive touchdown? Pathetic. The special teams coach should be fired on the spot. I'm deadly serious. That second fumble was straight up amateurish. Totally unacceptable.



Yeah. I cannot see any excuse for the punt return mistakes. Lets not forget that they almost muffed another punt. let it bounce twice and then grab it from your knees while 5 defenders are converging? I have to blame the ST coach for this.
This was an unacceptable loss. I have not believed the pre season hype--I don't see the Eagles being that good even in a weak NFC--and they cannot affford stupid losses like this.

SDW, I'm glad you will be at the home opener--I don't know if I will make it to next week!

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Well SDW,

It looks like you've managed to turn your Eagles thread into this years NFL season thread. Damn you...

Just a thought I wanted to post:

I've never been big on watching pro football the entire day. Generally, I'll always watch my Niners and catch up with the rest of the league on Sportscenter later that night.

But recently I switched to DirecTV and decided to try out the Sunday Ticket. I bought the little extra thingamabob that allows you to watch them all in HD, and within 5 minutes of watching it, I had sensory overload. I haven't channel surfed like that since I was seven on Saturday mornings. The price is ridiculous for the package, but after today I'm not sure I regret it. Football in HD is better than any other sport in HD. Period.

Lots of fun stuff happened today. The 108 yard kickoff return, Randy Moss' ridiculous game, the three or four GW FG's...

But I think the one thing that stood out for me was Donovan McNabb's face when Crosby kicked that game winner. I can't count the times I've seen that same expression on his face. Usually I see that face in December.

Anyway, great start to the season. Good luck to those who aren't in the NFC West...

[Flounder]

I think this article offers an excellent summation of the GB/PHI contesnt.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=659147

[PBG4 Dude]

Lots of fun stuff happened today. The 108 yard kickoff return, Randy Moss' ridiculous game, the three or four GW FG's...

After watching yesterday's Pats / Jets game I think we'll be hearing lots of "Brady to Moss!" this season. The Pats were on top of their game. :D Guess we'll have to see who wins the Pats / Colts shootout to go to the big game.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Ugly win.

Mike, Mike, and Mike should never do a football game again.

Patrick Willis is a monster.

That is all.

[iPoster]

Mike, Mike, and Mike should never do a football game again.

Agreed, I had to turn it off because the 'commentary' was stinking up the place!

That, and it was getting late....*shakes fist at the left coasters and their timezone advantage*

:grumble:

[SDW2001]

After watching yesterday's Pats / Jets game I think we'll be hearing lots of "Brady to Moss!" this season. The Pats were on top of their game. :D Guess we'll have to see who wins the Pats / Colts shootout to go to the big game.

What I can't stand, and I know I've posted this before, is how the commentators are so UP NEW ENGLAND'S ASS. It's been like for years.

Point 2: One thing I forgot to my annual bitching about the one black referee who did the GB-PHI game (don't know his name). He is a BIASED PIECE OF SHIT. You can actually see him call against Philly with more enthusiasm. He puts a little delay in the call when calling against them....like this:

(signal) Pass interference.....OFFENSE! (penalty).

When calling against the other team (whomever...it's been going on for at least two years) he doesn't do that and calls the "offense/defense" part with less vigor. I've seen it at least a dozen times and I know I'm not imagining it.

[Flounder]

I know I'm not imagining it.

You're imagining it. You've displayed in multiple Eagles threads I've read here the past two or three seasons that you're not particularly capable of objective analysis of your team, and I simply don't believe you.

That said, the NFL does have an officiating problem.

The offensive pass interference call at the end of the Baltimore game last night is the kind of call that makes you think, "Is that ref on the take?"

Then he follows it up with an almost equally BS make-up call, and you realize, no, he's just incompetent.

[SDW2001]

You're imagining it. You've displayed in multiple Eagles threads I've read here the past two or three seasons that you're not particularly capable of objective analysis of your team, and I simply don't believe you.

That said, the NFL does have an officiating problem.

The offensive pass interference call at the end of the Baltimore game last night is the kind of call that makes you think, "Is that ref on the take?"

Then he follows it up with an almost equally BS make-up call, and you realize, no, he's just incompetent.

So let me get this straight. You're accusing a ref of possibly being on the take, and yet I'm not objective? You sir, are full of horse shit.

I have been clear and candid about the Eagles loss. The loss was squarely on special teams and the tepid play of Donovan McNabb. I'm not making excuses. What exactly is your issue?

As for the ref, I have seen it for at least two years now. Before dismissing me, you should watch him. Do you even KNOW who I mean? I've never, ever felt this way about another ref, even if I think that ref is an ass. I noticed it last year and it continues, sometimes worse than others.

[Flounder]

So let me get this straight. You're accusing a ref of possibly being on the take, and yet I'm not objective? You sir, are full of horse shit.

I have been clear and candid about the Eagles loss. The loss was squarely on special teams and the tepid play of Donovan McNabb. I'm not making excuses. What exactly is your issue?

As for the ref, I have seen it for at least two years now. Before dismissing me, you should watch him. Do you even KNOW who I mean? I've never, ever felt this way about another ref, even if I think that ref is an ass. I noticed it last year and it continues, sometimes worse than others.

Well, you really missed my point. I ultimately am accusing the official that made those two calls at the end of the baltimore/cincy game of incompetence. I had no allegiance in the Monday night game; in fact, that last drive was all I saw of whole game. I'm saying that call was so obviously incorrect, it COULD make the impartial observer wonder if he was on the take. Please note that I never actually thought that, but even the announcers could not hide how ridiculously bad they thought the call was. The make-up call that followed it seemed to confirm that he was just a poor official (or at the least having a very poor game).

Yes, I know exactly what ref you're talking about from the GB/PHI game. I've seen him officiate many times. He always has that same cadence "Holding.... OFFENSE" when there's a pause and then greater emphasis on offense/defense. It becomes more pronounced when it's a big and/or controversial call, and the fans are either very excited or very pissed about the penalty.

Based on your multiple unobjective rants about things relating to the eagles the past couple years, and my own viewing of the referee in question, I feel pretty confident you're imagining things.

Can you site any article from a legitimate sports reporter, or even the crazed blog of an eagles fan (no, you're own blog doesn't count :)) to back yourself up?

[SDW2001]

Well, you really missed my point. I ultimately am accusing the official that made those two calls at the end of the baltimore/cincy game of incompetence. I had no allegiance in the Monday night game; in fact, that last drive was all I saw of whole game. I'm saying that call was so obviously incorrect, it COULD make the impartial observer wonder if he was on the take. Please note that I never actually thought that, but even the announcers could not hide how ridiculously bad they thought the call was. The make-up call that followed it seemed to confirm that he was just a poor official (or at the least having a very poor game).

Well, bad calls happen. What can I say. I saw the one missed call at the SD-CHI game. The defense jumped offsides egregiously, it wasn't called, and it forced a fumble. Possession was awarded to the defense (CHI). Worst of all, "non calls" are not reviewable. Clearly that rule needs to be changed. "Non calls" should, in fact, be reviewable when the missed call results in a change of possession.



Yes, I know exactly what ref you're talking about from the GB/PHI game. I've seen him officiate many times. He always has that same cadence "Holding.... OFFENSE" when there's a pause and then greater emphasis on offense/defense. It becomes more pronounced when it's a big and/or controversial call, and the fans are either very excited or very pissed about the penalty.

He does use that cadence, but it's almost always more excited when he calls against Philly. There is no way I could be imagining it over a two year period. I've watched it carefully.



Based on your multiple unobjective rants about things relating to the eagles the past couple years, and my own viewing of the referee in question, I feel pretty confident you're imagining things.

I don't really know what all of that means. Could you point to some examples? I mean look, I'm a fan. I get pissed off and excited. I have been hard on Reid many times, and even McNabb. But I don't see why that makes me any different than you. I can still objectively look at the refs. You don't have to agree with my statement. In fact, I'm not even saying he makes calls against them wrongly...just that he clearly calls with more enthusiasm against them.


Can you site any article from a legitimate sports reporter, or even the crazed blog of an eagles fan (no, you're own blog doesn't count :)) to back yourself up?

Dude, are you kidding me? Because I must tell you, that is a crock of shit request if I've ever seen one. I'm talking about MY perception of this referee over a few years time. You don't have to agree, and neither does anyone else. I don't need to go dig up a link for me to feel better about my perception. I am confident in it because I have eyes and ears.

[Flounder]

Nope, I'm not kidding at all. If this ref was really more excited about making calls against PHI, SOMEONE other than you would be talking about it. The internet's a big place....

[Guybrush Threepwood]

On a more serious note,

The doctors say Kevin Everett is going to walk again. I can't explain how relieved I am, even though I hardly know anything about him.

Kudos to the doctors and medical staff who treated him immediately after the incident.

[Thorin]

New Orleans will likely be good. However, even last year the Eagles had the ability to beat them. They should have won early in the season, only losing on the last play of the game. The playoff game would have been an Eagles win with McNabb and a better defense. So I don't agree there.


Hi, I come here every day, but very rarely post anything. But to the above I have to say: woulda', shoulda', coulda'. Excuses are useless, earn it. GEAUX SAINTS;)

[SDW2001]

Hi, I come here every day, but very rarely post anything. But to the above I have to say: woulda', shoulda', coulda'. Excuses are useless, earn it. GEAUX SAINTS;)

Well, that much is clear. Why?

1. You took my statement utterly out of context.
2. You have 2 posts.
3. You're not adding anything meaningful to the discussion.

[SDW2001]

Nope, I'm not kidding at all. If this ref was really more excited about making calls against PHI, SOMEONE other than you would be talking about it. The internet's a big place....

Funny, because I've talked to several people in person that agree with me. Whatever.

Now, on to a more serious note: The Patriots Cheating! Have you been following this?
Word is Bellichick may get suspended, the team will be fined, and they'll lose draft picks (multiple picks).

A decent opinion piece from sportsline:

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/10347994

Now, let me say I have never liked Bellichick. I really always thought the guy was a classless schmuck. The way he treated the media, other coaches and players was disgusting. He looks disheveled and doesn't take pride in his appearance. Anyone see how he pushed the camera guy and blew off Peyton Manning's overture at the end of the AFC Championship last year?

But putting that aside, I did respect his raw abilities as a coach. At this point though, I am wondering what everyone else is: How good were the Patriots the last 5 years or so. Did they deserve to win all those games, including the Super Bowl against the Eagles in 2004? Or at San Diego last year? Many, many Eagles fans felt that the PAts knew what was coming in the second half and were bewildered. I don't think anyone actually believed they were cheating though.

So..my thinking is this: Bellichick must be suspended for 8 games. The team should be fined at least $100,000 (I prefer $500,000) and lose their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft picks entirely...AND the money that goes with them (meaning they can't spend it elsewhere). It's severe, but what they've done is severe. They may very well be a fraudulent team in terms if championships. They may have cheated the Eagles and Rams out of Super Bowls. They probably did the same for the Chargers at the playoff game last year, which cost Marty Shottenheimer his goddamned job. And God only knows how many times they cheater the Colts. The amount of damage they have done the to league and it's fans is simply unreal.

And if it happens again? Bellichick gets kicked out the league. Period.

[iPoster]

The whole Pats thing is incredible. Even if the charges end up getting dropped (unlikely from what I've read) they are always going to have a

*

next to their record during the Bellichick years. Bellichick may be an ass, but it's unfortunate for the players, since they had an excellent organization from a personnel point of view. Many skilled, team players on that squad.

[Flounder]

I don't think I'd go quite as far as that editorial.

I'd go with a first and fourth round pick, and a two game suspension for the coach (without pay). If one team is doing this, it's pretty likely other teams are as well. The punishment would be harsh enough make other teams who may be doing similar things reconsider, yet recognize that this has probably been going on in nudge nudge wink wink fashion on other teams.

It'd also be good if they could shrink their salary cap by a million or two, but the players association would never stand for that.

There's also rumors going around about putting microphones on defensive players so they could record audibles, and having a defensive player with a radio in his helmet (something that's been proposed but hasn't had enough teams vote for it to happen). If that stuff was true, I'd suspend Bellichick for the rest of the season. That all seems to be wild speculation at this point, so you have to take those rumors with a big grain of salf.

[SDW2001]

I don't think I'd go quite as far as that editorial.

Well, the language was definitely heated, but why would you not go that far specifically?



I'd go with a first and fourth round pick, and a two game suspension for the coach (without pay).

I disagree. That's nowhere near severe enough. Allow me to repost a few sentences from my last post. See if it changes your mind:

SDW2001:
They may have cheated the Eagles and Rams out of Super Bowls. They probably did the same for the Chargers at the playoff game last year, which cost Marty Shottenheimer his goddamned job. And God only knows how many times they [cheated] the Colts. The amount of damage they have done the to league and it's fans is simply unreal.

Consider that. For me, that's a half season suspension, multiple top draft picks and a huge ass fine. Think about it: They may have cheated their way into winning the Super Bowl three times. It's not just those teams that suffered either. Think about the playoff teams they beat. Football is big business too...imagine the money Philly lost by not winning the Superbowl. Imagine the potential damage to revenue for the Chargers. And as I said...Shottenheimer might not have lost his job were it not for his first round loss. I mean...it just keeps getting worse the more one things about it. They hurt literally thousands of people, AND the image of the league.



if one team is doing this, it's pretty likely other teams are as well. The punishment would be harsh enough make other teams who may be doing similar things reconsider, yet recognize that this has probably been going on in nudge nudge wink wink fashion on other teams.

I don't know as I believe that. I guess we'll never know, 'cause they're going to stop now!



It'd also be good if they could shrink their salary cap by a million or two, but the players association would never stand for that.

Fuck the players association. In fact, the opinions I've heard state that if they lose picks, they lose the cap room with them. That's what should happen.



There's also rumors going around about putting microphones on defensive players so they could record audibles, and having a defensive player with a radio in his helmet (something that's been proposed but hasn't had enough teams vote for it to happen). If that stuff was true, I'd suspend Bellichick for the rest of the season. That all seems to be wild speculation at this point, so you have to take those rumors with a big grain of salf.

I didn't hear that, though I knew there had been proposals for radios in the defensive player's helmets for the purposes of play calling. It will almost certainly pass now, or so I'd think.

[iPoster]

Think about it: They may have cheated their way into winning the Super Bowl three times. It's not just those teams that suffered either. Think about the playoff teams they beat. Football is big business too...imagine the money Philly lost by not winning the Superbowl.

Eagles question methods used by Pats winning the SB (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-nflspying&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Sheldon Brown and the Eagles hoped a blitz would rattle Tom Brady.

One problem: Every time the Eagles rushed Brady in the Super Bowl, the Patriots nullified the defensive attack with screen passes. Lots of them. On almost every play defensive coordinator Jim Johnson called for a blitz, the Patriots used the short pass to confuse the Eagles.

After the Patriots beat the Eagles 24-21 in 2005 to win the Lombardi Trophy, Brown thought the Patriots beat them with nothing but sharp offensive playcalling. Now, he's not so sure.

****
Some Eagles said occasional signal-stealing is an accepted part of the game. But they believe what the Patriots are accused of doing crosses the football morality line because it threatens the integrity of the game.

:grumble:

[Flounder]

Well, it's all academic now that the penalty has been handed down. It seems fair enough to me. I don't think you can penalize for infractions you think maybe happened.

[SDW2001]

Well, it's all academic now that the penalty has been handed down. It seems fair enough to me. I don't think you can penalize for infractions you think maybe happened.

Not specifically, no. But it should be taken into consideration. I am actually pretty happy with the decision. The fine is huge...way more than I thought it would be. I still think he should have suspended for half the season. Goodell presented a false dilemma of the suspension not being as long lasting as the draft pick and the fine. But it really should have been all three.

[PBG4 Dude]

Not specifically, no. But it should be taken into consideration. I am actually pretty happy with the decision. The fine is huge...way more than I thought it would be. I still think he should have suspended for half the season. Goodell presented a false dilemma of the suspension not being as long lasting as the draft pick and the fine. But it really should have been all three.

All 3? For using a camcorder? You gotta remember, stealing opposing teams' signals wasn't the rule-breaking part. Only using the camcorder was. If a team has a guy on the sideline with binoculars and a sketch pad, it's OK. It was only the fact this Pats guy was using a camcorder that made it a violation.

Even though I'm a Pats fan (and have been since the 80s), I'm glad they were fined and lost a draft pick. They could've even suspended Belichick a game as well, but 1/2 the season is going a bit overboard IMO.

[Flounder]

I like The Onion (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/eagles_fans_give_mcnabb_three_week)

Really, you could write a similar article for almost any team, but I'll be darned if those Eagles fans aren't just fun to pick on. ;)

This one (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/peyton_manning_shows_his_backup) is also hilarious.

[SDW2001]

I like The Onion (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/eagles_fans_give_mcnabb_three_week)

Really, you could write a similar article for almost any team, but I'll be darned if those Eagles fans aren't just fun to pick on. ;)

This one (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/peyton_manning_shows_his_backup) is also hilarious.

Dude...that Philly/McNabb article is AWESOME. hahaha.

"This organization expects a lot from Donovan," Reid told a group of angry fans Wednesday. "After all, we did use the second overall draft pick on him eight years ago, and while he's done really well considering we made him run the offense for years with bargain- basement wide receivers and running backs that couldn't stay healthy, I agree that now is the time to finally get something back on our investment."
:lol::lol:

[SDW2001]

All 3? For using a camcorder? You gotta remember, stealing opposing teams' signals wasn't the rule-breaking part. Only using the camcorder was. If a team has a guy on the sideline with binoculars and a sketch pad, it's OK. It was only the fact this Pats guy was using a camcorder that made it a violation.

Even though I'm a Pats fan (and have been since the 80s), I'm glad they were fined and lost a draft pick. They could've even suspended Belichick a game as well, but 1/2 the season is going a bit overboard IMO.

Dude...it was a BLATANT violation. They cheated. It's not anywhere near the same as sitting down with a clipboard and pencil. What's worse is they've been caught doing it before. You have to be kidding.

I think the decision is a good one, but I still think Belichick should have been suspended for 8 games. I want you to think abut it like this: A head coach in the NFL knowingly cheated.

Again, consider the damage:



Possible fraudulent championships

Possible fraudulent playoff wins

Loss of confidence in league's integrity

Impact to Patriot's ticket sales and/or merchandising

Damage to Philadelphia Eagles, Carolina Panthers, and St. Louis
Rams. All three may have won without the Pats cheating.

The loss of Marty Shottenheimer's JOB.

Possible fraudulent win streak against Colts. Subsequent financial impacts.

Inflating of Tom Brady's stats in QB rating, passing yards, interceptions, sacks, et al.



The list goes on. Worst of all, it's irreversible damage. So don't tell me a half season suspension of that sleaze bag would have been "over the top." He did it on purpose. Jesus.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

"The Cowboys are 2-0; the 49ers are 2-0; the Packers are 2-0; O.J. is in jail; it's like it's the mid 90's again."

[iPoster]

"The Cowboys are 2-0; the 49ers are 2-0; the Packers are 2-0; O.J. is in jail; it's like it's the mid 90's again."

That was pretty funny. :D

As for the Eagles....ugh...:mad::mad::mad:

NO, absolutely NO game plan adjustments by Reid, AGAIN. :rolleyes:

Westbrook is tearing up the 'Skins D? Throw 3 passes in a row every time you get inside the 20. :no:

Another year without a single wide-out that scares the defense. :grumble: All opponents for the rest of the year are going to follow the Skins blueprint and man 2 man with bump on the WR/TE, and put 7 in the box to contain Westbrook. There will be absolutely nothing the Eagles will be able to do about it, since Reid has used the same game plan for the last 8 seasons.


Shameful, just shameful.

Too soon to start a petition for Reid's dismissal? :devil:

[SDW2001]

That was pretty funny. :D

As for the Eagles....ugh...:mad::mad::mad:

NO, absolutely NO game plan adjustments by Reid, AGAIN. :rolleyes:

Westbrook is tearing up the 'Skins D? Throw 3 passes in a row every time you get inside the 20. :no:

Another year without a single wide-out that scares the defense. :grumble: All opponents for the rest of the year are going to follow the Skins blueprint and man 2 man with bump on the WR/TE, and put 7 in the box to contain Westbrook. There will be absolutely nothing the Eagles will be able to do about it, since Reid has used the same game plan for the last 8 seasons.


Shameful, just shameful.

Too soon to start a petition for Reid's dismissal? :devil:

Obviously I have been critical of him and called for him to go before. It's a very tough call. We've been to the NFC Championship game 4 years in a row, going to the Super Bowl once. We've been in the playoffs consistently.

That said, my problem with Reid has been three-fold:

1. He doesn't emotionally/mentally prepare and motivate the team. They often come out flat. Only the team seems to be able to turn itself around. In that same vein, we often notice a lack of urgency because Reid doesn't DEMAND it.

2. He makes poor, amateurish coaching decisions and mistakes at times...or at least lets them happen.

3. He doesn't show loyalty consistently. Take McNabb vs. Trotter. Trotter slows down a bit and he gets the boot despite being a morale leader. McNabb, Mr. Captain of the Ship (TM) makes rookie mistakes, but unquestionably stays on board (not that he should go...I'm just saying).

As for the loss and the team this year:

1. McNabb is not throwing well. His running is improving, but he's still not confident.
2. The defense has been soft. Missed tackles, lack of big plays, etc.
3. The offense has been soft. Where is that explosiveness we had? Consistency was always a problem, but now the big plays seen to be gone too.
4. Kickoff and return teams are a joke.
5. McNabb, with Reid, has created too much of a laid back atmosphere and thinks too much about his team and not enough about his own play. He's always talking about he needs to get the team back to such and such a point and how he is going to lead. Dude, just shut up and play. You'd play better and more success. And let's fact it Donny...you're not the head coach. Your job is to execute, which you are not doing. Lead more by example.

Also, I don't see any goal setting. One thing the oft criticized T.O. brought was that sentiment that "We won't be happy until we win the Super Bowl." I don't want to hear how "this is super bowl team" and "well it's a long season and were gonna go make some plays <insert dumb grin> and maybe this, maybe that...blah, blah. Set the goal and work like bitches until you reach it. I don't want to hear about how much "fun" football is. You all need to have your asses kicked a bit since my $200 tickets are paying your gazillion dollar salaries. Fuckers. Win or go home.

[iPoster]

PHI: D. McNabb 21-26, 381 yds, 4 TDs

:wow::wow::wow:

I'd love to see similar numbers the rest of the year!

:D

[SDW2001]

PHI: D. McNabb 21-26, 381 yds, 4 TDs

:wow::wow::wow:

I'd love to see similar numbers the rest of the year!

:D


Dude...what a fucking game! Biggest point total for the Eagles since the 50s. 56-21. I just don't get this team. What was it, the uniforms? McNabb looked like his old self, Westbrook was great...the D played well against a hot offense. And, all this without Dawkins or Sheppard.

I guess we just wait and see at this point. This is the team I thought they had from the start. Time will tell.

[Cake]

...I just don't get this team. What was it, the uniforms?...

No, they played the Lions. Detroit is no powerhouse. In fact, their defense is ranked at the bottom of the NFL.

While McNabb and the Eagles looked sharp, lets see how they do against a team that is actually good.

[SDW2001]

No, they played the Lions. Detroit is no powerhouse. In fact, their defense is ranked at the bottom of the NFL.

While McNabb and the Eagles looked sharp, lets see how they do against a team that is actually good.

Uh, the Lions were 2-0 and are NOT the team they were in the last....uh, 20 years. They are a decent team. Fine, they're not the Patriots. But they're decent. It was a quality win.

[Cake]

Uh, the Lions were 2-0 and are NOT the team they were in the last....uh, 20 years. They are a decent team. Fine, they're not the Patriots. But they're decent. It was a quality win.
Yeah, they beat the Raiders and the Vikings - both crap teams.

Detroit's defense is ranked at the bottom of the league:
http://homepage.mac.com/drew1/.Pictures/Detroit_Defense.jpg

Look, a win is a win in my book, no matter how ugly.
Today, the Eagles shined. I'm just saying that this was not a true test of who the Eagles are.
This one was easy.

[Flounder]

Uh, the Lions were 2-0 and are NOT the team they were in the last....uh, 20 years. They are a decent team. Fine, they're not the Patriots. But they're decent. It was a quality win.

I give Detroit 6 wins, tops. Really, their defense is truly awful. Some talent on the defensive line, but pretty awful otherwise, especially the secondary. A fine win for the Eagles, regardless. McNabb was hitting receivers perfectly in stride. I still expect them to win the NFC East.

[SDW2001]

Yeah, they beat the Raiders and the Vikings - both crap teams.

Detroit's defense is ranked at the bottom of the league:
http://homepage.mac.com/drew1/.Pictures/Detroit_Defense.jpg

Look, a win is a win in my book, no matter how ugly.
Today, the Eagles shined. I'm just saying that this was not a true test of who the Eagles are.
This one was easy.

I give Detroit 6 wins, tops. Really, their defense is truly awful. Some talent on the defensive line, but pretty awful otherwise, especially the secondary. A fine win for the Eagles, regardless. McNabb was hitting receivers perfectly in stride. I still expect to win the NFC East.

Well, fair enough guys. I think Detroit is probably better than 6 wins. I agree their defense is bad, but 56 points bad? Anyway...

I do think this secures McNabb's job....that and the fact that Kolb was a bag of shit on the few plays he was in there. He's got to feel good. Hopefully he's got is confidence back...it seems like it.

[iPoster]

My wife's opinion is that the Lions were to busy laughing at the Eagle's throwbacks to play right! :lol:

[SDW2001]

My wife's opinion is that the Lions were to busy laughing at the Eagle's throwbacks to play right! :lol:

There might be something there, though the other way around. I think it's possible that the Eagles could see each other better (mainly, McNabb) because they didn't blend into the field anymore. Thoughts?

[Tinkerer]

Thoughts? Green hasn't effected them negatively for decades, but if we want to use that to explain their poor start... :-P

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Kevin Curtis.

Greatest. Receiver. Ever.

[Flounder]

So what's the latest on Westbrook's status for tonight SDW?

Inquiring fantasy football minds want to know!

[SDW2001]

So what's the latest on Westbrook's status for tonight SDW?

Inquiring fantasy football minds want to know!

Looks like he's still a game time "questionable" decision. My money is on him playing. They have a bye week next week, and it's the Giants. A win would be big for them.

Eagles 24, Giants 14.

[iPoster]

Westbrook playing would be a definite plus, but I wouldn't mind getting so see what Tony Hunt can do with the rock. (Hopefully good things!! :lol: )

[iPoster]

Utterly embarrassing! Has Andy Reid ever heard of making adjustments? Never mind all the Pro Bowlers hurt, Reid lost this game all by himself, by not giving Justice any help, ALL GAME LONG.

FYI Any, if your LT is getting raped by the defense, YOU PUT A TE OR RB ON THAT SIDE TO HELP OUT!

EVEN HIGH SCHOOL COACHES KNOW THIS!

Good effort by the Eagles' defense, Buckhalter and McNabb played OK, WHEN HE HAD TIME TO THROW!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Cake]

Anyway, a lot of commentators are picking the Eagles to go to the dance this year. On paper I have to agree. No one in the NFC is as complete as they are.
Funny how things change once the season starts.

[iPoster]

Funny how things change once the season starts.

True, true. Though I didn't seriously expect the SB from the Eagles this year. He was talking about on paper, they don't include inept coaching staffs on paper rankings.

BTW, those lowly Lions put up 37 on the Bears' defense today.

Not that it matters much after Winston Justice got assploded by the Giants tonight...:rolleyes:

[southside grabowski]

The Eagles are an embarrassment.

Sincerely

The Chargers

[SDW2001]

Funny how things change once the season starts.

Utterly embarrassing! Has Andy Reid ever heard of making adjustments? Never mind all the Pro Bowlers hurt, Reid lost this game all by himself, by not giving Justice any help, ALL GAME LONG.

FYI Any, if your LT is getting raped by the defense, YOU PUT A TE OR RB ON THAT SIDE TO HELP OUT!

EVEN HIGH SCHOOL COACHES KNOW THIS!

Good effort by the Eagles' defense, Buckhalter and McNabb played OK, WHEN HE HAD TIME TO THROW!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

True, true. Though I didn't seriously expect the SB from the Eagles this year. He was talking about on paper, they don't include inept coaching staffs on paper rankings.

BTW, those lowly Lions put up 37 on the Bears' defense today.

Not that it matters much after Winston Justice got assploded by the Giants tonight...:rolleyes:

Well, it was an anal shanking, that's true. The line was truly pathetic. Justice got bitch slapped all night, and Reid did nothing to fix it. They refuses to use the weapons they have, Tony Hunt and Buck, both of who in tandem could at least compensate for Westbrook being out, even if they couldn't replace him.

As you guys know, I get very critical of McNabb, but in this case, it's not his fault. He had nowhere to go. Even the old McNabb couldn't have escaped a lot of those situations.

At this point my feeling is it's time for Andy to go. The list of mistakes and ineptness has just grown too long. We've had:

1. Embarrassing Linc Field Opener in 2003, Eagles unprepared, flat emotionally. Andy Reid takes responsibility, and rightly so.

2. Losing three straight NFC championships, much of it due to poor game planning.

3. Poor managerial decisions such as going hell bent on Jeremy Bloom despite nearly unanimous condemnation of the decsision.

4. Clock management in the Super Bowl.

5. No ability to make adjustments mid-game, as demonstrated last night.

6. Failure to motivate the team in general. My perception is that if the team is fired up, it's the players that cause it to be so. Andy Reid needs to show some emotion...tee off on the guy that made an amateur mistake, get visibly excited about a great play, etc.

7. Failure to explain decisions adequately in press conferences. "Well be fine there" and "we have things to work on" are not acceptable answers, Andy.


Don't get me wrong, again. I like the guy. He's done a lot for the team and for the City. He's a genuinely nice person, and has a great knowledge of the game. But things like this drive me crazy:

Reid said that to change course now would send the wrong message.

"It is what it is. You take it. We all knew (the bye) was going to be here," he said. "You hope your record's better, but it's not. You get yourself right and turn it around."

I understand that thinking, but where is the recognition that this is NOT acceptable, and that you WILL fix it and come out and kick ass after the bye? I don't want "ho-hum" we'll be OK and we're not really happy but we'll be fine there." That's not the "Philly guy" thing to say.

[iPoster]

Heard a rumor on the NFL network today that Andy Reid is considering taking a 'hiatus from coaching for personal/family reasons'. Just an unconfirmed rumor, but my wife came in to see what I was shouting in glee about.
:D

[SDW2001]

Heard a rumor on the NFL network today that Andy Reid is considering taking a 'hiatus from coaching for personal/family reasons'. Just an unconfirmed rumor, but my wife came in to see what I was shouting in glee about.
:D

That would be surprising. But who replaces him?

[iPoster]

That would be surprising. But who replaces him?

Morningwheg (sp?) for the rest of the season, after that...???

Bill Cowher? :lol:

[SDW2001]

Morningwheg (sp?) for the rest of the season, after that...???

Bill Cowher? :lol:

Well the rumor has been denied. Maybe Donovan can be the coach. He thinks he is already.

[ronaldo]

GO BEARS.
BEARS WIN 19-16:lol:

[SDW2001]

GO BEARS.
BEARS WIN 19-16:lol:

I honestly cannot believe what I just witnessed. The Eagles led the entire game. They didn't let the Bears into the end zone the whole game. They moved the ball at will, despite having some trouble in the red zone again.

Then they allowed the Bears to march 97 yards in 11 plays and 1:49 to score a touchdown. Oh, and they didn't even try the Hail Mary at the end.

The loss was pathetic and unacceptable. Fucking pathetic.

[ronaldo]

I honestly cannot believe what I just witnessed. The Eagles led the entire game. They didn't let the Bears into the end zone the whole game. They moved the ball at will, despite having some trouble in the red zone again.

Then they allowed the Bears to march 97 yards in 11 plays and 1:49 to score a touchdown. Oh, and they didn't even try the Hail Mary at the end.

The loss was pathetic and unacceptable. Fucking pathetic.

I couldn't believe it either. I thought sure the Bears were going to lose another one.

[Bageljoey]

I honestly cannot believe what I just witnessed. The Eagles led the entire game. They didn't let the Bears into the end zone the whole game. They moved the ball at will, despite having some trouble in the red zone again.

Then they allowed the Bears to march 97 yards in 11 plays and 1:49 to score a touchdown. Oh, and they didn't even try the Hail Mary at the end.

The loss was pathetic and unacceptable. Fucking pathetic.

Thank god I was drunk by the end. I was in a bar surrounded my Giants fans... You can imagine the horror!

[iPoster]

The loss was pathetic and unacceptable. Fucking pathetic.

Truth. I fortunately didn't get to see the game, but they are rubbing salt in the wound by showing it on NFL Replay this week! :grumble:

On a different subject, has any QB in NFL history had a season like Tom Brady is having? It's like the Pats are playing against high school teams out there. :wow:

Tom Brady's current QB Rating: 128.9

Current NFL Record - Peyton Manning, 2004 - 121.1

[SDW2001]

Truth. I fortunately didn't get to see the game, but they are rubbing salt in the wound by showing it on NFL Replay this week! :grumble:

On a different subject, has any QB in NFL history had a season like Tom Brady is having? It's like the Pats are playing against high school teams out there. :wow:

Tom Brady's current QB Rating: 128.9

Current NFL Record - Peyton Manning, 2004 - 121.1

I am at a loss concerning the Eagles. There is just no excuse for what happened. All they needed to do was make a stop or two. Instead, they thought they could run the clock. They allowed the Bears to control the pace. They should have called time out to stop their momentum.

As for NE, they are scary good. Brady is playing like Joe Montana...probably better. One wonders if they really can go undefeated. Oh, and I hate them. Gotta make sure I mention that.

[iPoster]

Oh, and I hate them. Gotta make sure I mention that.

That goes without saying, naturally! :D

[PBG4 Dude]

Go NE! Tom Brady was rated 158.3 (perfect) against the 'fins. :D

Can't wait to see NE play the Dolts. This will be an awesome game. :)

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Someone explain the Giants/Eagles rivalry please...

It can't just be geographical location.

[SDW2001]

Someone explain the Giants/Eagles rivalry please...

It can't just be geographical location.

I think it might be. Of course, my personal reasons are that Eli is a fag and Shockey is a douche bag.

But I digress. So let's talk about Sunday. It was a fairly decent win. That said, I was really concerned with the number of penalties. FOUR offsides penalties? That's got to be a some kind of record. One might see an off sides penalty once every three games or so per team....but four in a game? There were others too.

I thought McNabb looked better except for a few throws. He's definitely getting more mobile each week. They came back nicely from the 7-0 deficit too. Also, I liked that they called time out at the end of the game to regroup on offense even though they were fighting the clock. It allowed them to at least make sure they had the right package in there.

I'm going to the Dallas game next week. That is a huge game. If they can win, the season may just be getting started. If they lose, it's pretty much over!

[Cake]

I think it might be. Of course, my personal reasons are that Eli is a fag and Shockey is a douche bag.
I totally agree you regarding those two clowns.

I'm going to the Dallas game next week. That is a huge game. If they can win, the season may just be getting started. If they lose, it's pretty much over!
It should be a really good game.
This will be one of those games that I'll have to lock the door, tell my friends to find someone else with NFL Sunday Ticket and turn off the phone. No interruptions allowed!

If my Cowboys implode against the Eagles, I want to be free to yell, scream, sulk and throw things at the TV free from idiots who don't understand my passion for this wonderful game.

[SDW2001]

It's gonna be better than the Super Bowl!

I will pay real $ to see Brady and Bellicheat lose. And I hope the Colts first knock Brady out the game (some sort of not too severe head injury...but enough to have him not be able to wear that faggoty hat of his for a while), then run up the score.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3146/imagescc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Please.

[SDW2001]

Well, I'm going Sunday. I will be there at like 10 a.m. for the night game. Any chance the Eagles win? I don't know. I hope so. I think it's possible, but thet cannt make the kind of mistakes they have made before. We'll see. In the meantime I plan to be well lubricated, so I won't care.

[Bageljoey]

Well, I'm going Sunday. I will be there at like 10 a.m. for the night game. Any chance the Eagles win? I don't know. I hope so. I think it's possible, but thet cannt make the kind of mistakes they have made before. We'll see. In the meantime I plan to be well lubricated, so I won't care.

SDW, Now is not the time for doubt! We will crush the Cowboys (like we always do in Philly).:smokey::smokey:


Actually, I do hold out hope for this game even when I am sober. Not because I have seen signs of greatness in the Eagles play, but because we just seem due for a great, Dallas-crushing surprise performance.

I would be there with you in a heartbeat if I could--have a great game!

[Bageljoey]

Someone explain the Giants/Eagles rivalry please...

It can't just be geographical location.

Here is my take on it:
Location is a big factor. Especially with the NJ fans. When the dividing line falls between state lines things are simpler than when you have a mixed state. There is a fuzzy dividing line that meanders west southwest from Central Jersey where loyalties are divided--people get 2 local FOX stations (NY and Philly) so both teams games are always on. Sure there are some Jets fans here and there, but they don't affect much (not unlike the Jets themselves).

Also, they are in the same division. They see each-other at least twice a year.

There have been some great runs-giants winning six in a row then philly winning 8 in a row.

Then there is the fact that both teams have been good at the same time much of the time. This is the principle difference between this rivalry and the Phillies/Mets so-called rivalry which shares many of the same geographical and divisional interests. Until this season the Phillies and the Mets only had winning seasons together in the same year something like 3 years. The Phillies can take most of the blame for that--hard for the Mets fans to get excited about beating a punching bag! Now, maybe this year's comeback/collapse will get things stirred up...

Anyway, that said, while I love singing "Fly Eagles Fly" in the faces of the hordes of Giants fans at my local establishment--it is the Cowgirls I really hate. That is why I am so pumped up right now...

[Guybrush Threepwood]

It is the Cowgirls I really hate. That is why I am so pumped up right now...

Niner fan here. I know all about hating the Cowboys... ;)

[Bageljoey]

Niner fan here. I know all about hating the Cowboys... ;)

Yeah. And that is the problem with hating the Cowboys--There is a long list of teams with a legitimate reason to despise them. Heck, just the name "America's Team" would do it for me...

[SDW2001]

Yeah. And that is the problem with hating the Cowboys--There is a long list of teams with a legitimate reason to despise them. Heck, just the name "America's Team" would do it for me...

:lol:

I like the niners too. I still think the Eagles hate them WAY more. It is like the Super Bowl when they come here, no matter how much we suck. Last year they were burning T.O. in effigy. It was funny because before the game (I didn't go), I thought "what is the most ridiculous thing they could do...like something that would never, ever happen." The answer? "They could burn T.O. in effigy." Lo and behold, I turn on the TV and the news is on, covering the tailgate. And sumbitch....I see a straw man T.O. on a stick, going up in flames. Jesus.

[Cake]

So far so good!
McNabb isn't throwing too well (except into the ground) and the Cowboys Offensive line is doing its job and giving Romo lots of time.

Second half is make or break for the Eagles.
They could easily lose to New England, Washington, New York (Giants) and New Orleans in the coming weeks.

I hope SDW is drinking heavily at the game. :p

[Cake]

http://homepage.mac.com/drew1/.Pictures/Dallas_vs_Eagles_07.1.jpg

Spank!

[Bageljoey]

I wonder what Buddy Ryan is doing these days...

I hear Richie Kotite is available...:grumble::grumble:

[iPoster]

Dallas @ Eagles - Ugh. Just no words for this one. :mad:

Lions spanking Denver - Hmm, not sure if it's a Cinderella season, or they are for real.

Minnesota - Eagles beat the Vikes, then the Vikes tear up San Diego. Such a strange year in the NFL.

Adrian Peterson - If he can keep this up for 8 or 10 seasons, we'll be saying Emmit who? Barry who? Just amazing ability. :wow: Could be the first rookie to run for 2K also. 8-)

[turtle777]

Minnesota - Eagles beat the Vikes, then the Vikes tear up San Diego. Such a strange year in the NFL.

Adrian Peterson - If he can keep this up for 8 or 10 seasons, we'll be saying Emmit who? Barry who? Just amazing ability. :wow: Could be the first rookie to run for 2K also. 8-)

Yeah, no doubt, Peterson is just amazing.

Should make for a good game next Sunday in Greenbay. I'll be there when the Packers beat the Viqueens :D

-t

[SDW2001]

So far so good!
McNabb isn't throwing too well (except into the ground) and the Cowboys Offensive line is doing its job and giving Romo lots of time.

Second half is make or break for the Eagles.
They could easily lose to New England, Washington, New York (Giants) and New Orleans in the coming weeks.

I hope SDW is drinking heavily at the game. :p

I was, in fact, totally wasted. At this point the season is done. At least I got there and drank for 10 hours before hand. :)

[Guybrush Threepwood]

LOL...

My season was done in Week 6. All I have to look forward is drinking 10 hours before hand...

[Cake]

I was, in fact, totally wasted. At this point the season is done. At least I got there and drank for 10 hours before hand. :)

Well, hell - sounds like you found a way to enjoy the game! Can't beat that.

[SDW2001]

Well, it wasn't pretty but they got the job done today. McNabb at least ran when he needed to. Too bad he fumbled and didn't pass well. Still, I'll take it. And man...Westbrook. Jeez!

[Bageljoey]

Well, it wasn't pretty but they got the job done today. McNabb at least ran when he needed to. Too bad he fumbled and didn't pass well. Still, I'll take it. And man...Westbrook. Jeez!

Second. I liked the 4th quarter...

[SDW2001]

Second. I liked the 4th quarter...

At this point I think we turn to next year. I have been considering the future of Reid and McNabb.

I say there is a 40% chance that Reid resigns all together after the season. I give it 60% chance that he gives up the VP of Football Ops position.

McNabb: If his play continues to improve modestly, stay stagnant, or goes downhill, I say there is a 60% chance they trade McNabb. I think that goes down to 20% or less if he improves significantly throughout the season and they make the playoffs. But if they finish 8-8 or 9-7? I don't think they aare going to keep him around.

[Flounder]

Really, I think McNabb's still a pretty good (or at the very least average) QB, although Westbrook is clearly the most valuable player on the team now. McNabb's only real stinker this season was the first Washington game where he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I think the defense is your teams biggest problem; it has aged rapidly.

This is one of my favorite sites

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/11/13/ramblings/dvoa-ratings/5752/

and by their stats, the Eagle's D is 22nd in the league. If McNabb gets traded and you start a 2nd year guy with a declining defense that leads to playing from behind, well, I think the Eagle's will be in for a much worse season next year than they're having now.

[Bageljoey]

Really, I think McNabb's still a pretty good (or at the very least average) QB, although Westbrook is clearly the most valuable player on the team now. McNabb's only real stinker this season was the first Washington game where he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I think the defense is your teams biggest problem; it has aged rapidly.

This is one of my favorite sites

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/11/13/ramblings/dvoa-ratings/5752/

and by their stats, the Eagle's D is 22nd in the league. If McNabb gets traded and you start a 2nd year guy with a declining defense that leads to playing from behind, well, I think the Eagle's will be in for a much worse season next year than they're having now.

Flounder, I think if I was to look at this with my rational brain, I would come up with much the same conclusion. McNabb isn't what he was in his good areas and he is no better in his weak areas, but he is still better than a Joe Schmo.
To be honest, I have no idea what the prospects of a Kolb are in the NFL--based on the various opinions I have read, I guess no one else really knows either.

But at this point in the season, I cannot begin to give up. We are only 2 games out of the wildcard with 7 yet to play. Hell, that's nothing compared to what the Phillies did!
Of course they don't look like a playoff team now (they have a losing record--I know) but after we win 6 of the last seven we are going to look much better...
2007 ain't over yet!

[SDW2001]

Really, I think McNabb's still a pretty good (or at the very least average) QB, although Westbrook is clearly the most valuable player on the team now. McNabb's only real stinker this season was the first Washington game where he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I think the defense is your teams biggest problem; it has aged rapidly.

This is one of my favorite sites

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/11/13/ramblings/dvoa-ratings/5752/

and by their stats, the Eagle's D is 22nd in the league. If McNabb gets traded and you start a 2nd year guy with a declining defense that leads to playing from behind, well, I think the Eagle's will be in for a much worse season next year than they're having now.

McNabb played poorly until the Vikings game, where he did a nice job. But the last two weeks he's fumbled and not been very accurate. We started to see some of the old McNabb again this week with his mobility and ability to create success out of nothing. What I'm saying is that if he got no better, I still see a good chance that he'll be traded. If he continues to improve at a good pace, then I'd say he'll be OK.

[SDW2001]

Flounder, I think if I was to look at this with my rational brain, I would come up with much the same conclusion. McNabb isn't what he was in his good areas and he is no better in his weak areas, but he is still better than a Joe Schmo.
To be honest, I have no idea what the prospects of a Kolb are in the NFL--based on the various opinions I have read, I guess no one else really knows either.

But at this point in the season, I cannot begin to give up. We are only 2 games out of the wildcard with 7 yet to play. Hell, that's nothing compared to what the Phillies did!
Of course they don't look like a playoff team now (they have a losing record--I know) but after we win 6 of the last seven we are going to look much better...
2007 ain't over yet!

If they win all but the Patriots game they go 10-6, which would be enough for a Wild Card this year. The question is whether or not they can knock off Dallas too. I kind of doubt it. Realistically I see them going 9-7, and MAYBE getting a Wild Card berth. They might even win a round, but as soon as they hit a Dallas or Green bay, they're done.

[Bageljoey]

The question is whether or not they can knock off Dallas too. I kind of doubt it.

Of course, one can't forget that the Dallas game comes late--Dallas may be playing for nothing at that point--especailly if GB stays hot...

It is all part of my master plan...

[iPoster]

What's all this talk about McNabb not playing well? The only seasons he's put up better numbers were last year and the Super Bowl year. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4650/career) As I pointed out on an Eagles board I frequent, he's #9 in the NFL in passer Rating, YPG, and has the fewest INTs of any starter. That puts him above Manning, Palmer and Hasslebeck in Rating. It means there are only 8 QBs in the league putting up better numbers than him, and 3 of them are probable Hall of Famers. Even before the Washington game Donovan was above his career averages in Completion %, Rating and INT %. All that with no real threat at WR/TE, and very poor coaching/game planning. And remember, McNabb's never been a really accurate QB at any point in his career. (Career comp % - 58.5%)

And the most important statistic of all...Donovan doesn't play defense! :grumble:

IMHO if the Eagles get rid of Reid, I'd expect a huge turnaround as soon as the team gets acclimated to the new coach. I hear Bill Cower is available! ;)

[SDW2001]

What's all this talk about McNabb not playing well? The only seasons he's put up better numbers were last year and the Super Bowl year. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4650/career) As I pointed out on an Eagles board I frequent, he's #9 in the NFL in passer Rating, YPG, and has the fewest INTs of any starter. That puts him above Manning, Palmer and Hasslebeck in Rating. It means there are only 8 QBs in the league putting up better numbers than him, and 3 of them are probable Hall of Famers. Even before the Washington game Donovan was above his career averages in Completion %, Rating and INT %. All that with no real threat at WR/TE, and very poor coaching/game planning. And remember, McNabb's never been a really accurate QB at any point in his career. (Career comp % - 58.5%)

And the most important statistic of all...Donovan doesn't play defense! :grumble:

IMHO if the Eagles get rid of Reid, I'd expect a huge turnaround as soon as the team gets acclimated to the new coach. I hear Bill Cower is available! ;)

One of the reasons he doesn't throw interceptions is that if he misses, he usually misses big. He throws passes down and away, making it impossible for anyone to catch them. And really...McNabb not being that accurate is hardly a point FOR him, agreed? The other thing you're not pointing out is fumbles. He seems to do that a lot. He's fumbled twice in two games because he doesn't protect the ball.

But there is also an intangible here: McNabb's attitude...his urgency, his leadership. He's never shown the kind of urgency he's needed to, nor displayed the leadership qualities he needs. He doesn't have that x factor of turning it on when the game is on the line. He can make great plays, and sometimes those plays ARE game winners, but he blows it just as often. He lacks that Tom Brady, Joe Montana, John Elway and Peyton Manning game-winning drive quality.

I still root for him to do well. I WANT him to do well. I really would love to see him turn this thing around and prove people wrong...including me. But I've been saying that since, oh, 1999. And just when it seems he's there...like in the Super Bowl, the old shit-eating grin and tapping himself on the chest when he messes up begins. Did I mention the shit-eating grin? ;)

[Flounder]

As I pointed out on an Eagles board I frequent, he's #9 in the NFL in passer Rating, YPG, and has the fewest INTs of any starter. That puts him above Manning, Palmer and Hasslebeck in Rating.

This isn't particularly about McNabb, but I just wanted to say that the passer rating statistic is terrible. It dramatically over-rewards check down passes. 6 yard passes on third and 10 are good for your QB rating, but don't help your team win.

Since I mentioned them before, I'll link to footballoutsiders again

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb.php

Per their statistics, McNabb is rated 13th, which seems about right to me.

[iPoster]

But there is also an intangible here: McNabb's attitude...his urgency, his leadership. He's never shown the kind of urgency he's needed to, nor displayed the leadership qualities he needs. He doesn't have that x factor of turning it on when the game is on the line. He can make great plays, and sometimes those plays ARE game winners, but he blows it just as often. He lacks that Tom Brady, Joe Montana, John Elway and Peyton Manning game-winning drive quality.

I would never compare McNabb to Elway, Montana, etc., I was just pointing out that statistically he's not having as bad a year as many seem to think. The way people are talking, you'd think he was making Ryan Leaf look good. Yes, he's having some problems, but I don't believe he's a major cause of the Eagles being 4-5. He doesn't coach the game plan (or lack thereof); has nobody other than Westbrook who scares a defense to throw to; doesn't play special teams or defense, both of which have lost at least 3 games this year. I think he's a very good, but not quite 'special' QB, not quite able to control a game on his own, but still better than 90% of the QBs out there. I'd compare him favorably to O'Brien, Esiason or Moon.

I do have to agree with you about his intangibles, they have always been iffy at best. But then, if QBs were judged solely on intangibles, Jim McMahon would be the best QB of all time! :D

This isn't particularly about McNabb, but I just wanted to say that the passer rating statistic is terrible. It dramatically over-rewards check down passes. 6 yard passes on third and 10 are good for your QB rating, but don't help your team win.

Agreed, the QB Rating is outdated with today's high percentage passing systems, IIRC it was invented when QBs threw 15-20 passes per game, most of which were long ball attempts. That said, it's still considered to be an important statistical record by the NFL. (most seasons leading league, seasons with >100 QB Rating, etc.)

[SDW2001]

I would never compare McNabb to Elway, Montana, etc., I was just pointing out that statistically he's not having as bad a year as many seem to think. The way people are talking, you'd think he was making Ryan Leaf look good. Yes, he's having some problems, but I don't believe he's a major cause of the Eagles being 4-5. He doesn't coach the game plan (or lack thereof); has nobody other than Westbrook who scares a defense to throw to; doesn't play special teams or defense, both of which have lost at least 3 games this year. I think he's a very good, but not quite 'special' QB, not quite able to control a game on his own, but still better than 90% of the QBs out there. I'd compare him favorably to O'Brien, Esiason or Moon.

I do have to agree with you about his intangibles, they have always been iffy at best. But then, if QBs were judged solely on intangibles, Jim McMahon would be the best QB of all time! :D



I agree with most of that actually. The Eagles would have won the Green Bay game if not for the punt returns (or fumbles, actually). They should have won the bears game. They didn't play well enough in total to win the Giants, Redskins, or Dallas games. Really I think they are probably more a 6-3 team right now, quality wise.

As for McNabb, I think my problem is he seems to portray himself as Montana or Elway. He just seems to think of himself in that light.



Agreed, the QB Rating is outdated with today's high percentage passing systems, IIRC it was invented when QBs threw 15-20 passes per game, most of which were long ball attempts. That said, it's still considered to be an important statistical record by the NFL. (most seasons leading league, seasons with >100 QB Rating, etc.)

I think the passer rating needs to go away. Look...my rating is a perfect 158.3! What the hell? Check this out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating#Perfect_NFL_passer_rating

Check out their formula under "NFL perfect passer rating" <head spins>

[Flounder]

Agreed, the QB Rating is outdated with today's high percentage passing systems, IIRC it was invented when QBs threw 15-20 passes per game, most of which were long ball attempts. That said, it's still considered to be an important statistical record by the NFL. (most seasons leading league, seasons with >100 QB Rating, etc.)

You know, I read an article somewhere that I can't remember, talking about how while the 70's were a very run heavy era, prior to that there was quite a lot of passing. It's just that most of today's football commentators played/grew up watching football in the 70's so that is what is thought of as "old football" today. Granted, there wasn't all the short passing that there is today, but the football of the past wasn't as run oriented as we sometimes think was the general point.

I wish I could remember where I read that.


Here's a good recent rant about the QB rating system

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dr_z/10/25/rating.system/index.html

[SDW2001]

This is not going well. 3 INTS, McNabb in the locker getting X-rays, 7 to 3. At least the D is holding up. Ugh...Is it 2008 yet?


Edit: Well they won, but it wasn't pretty. I will say the defense was really good. That's two consecutive games with 4 down goal line stands. McNabb sucked and I think he used his injury to bail out. Feeley was a little better, but not much. And once again, Westbrook proved he should be considered among the top running backs in the league.

Oh, and....

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9410/500animationum4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Bageljoey]

McNabb sucked and I think he used his injury to bail out.

Well, my conspiracy theory is that they told McNabb: "We're taking you out if you don't get the first down." Thus giving him the opportunity to come out with an "injury." I don't think he would have bailed on his own, but it was either that or get benched.
The question is: what do they do next week?

[SDW2001]

Well, my conspiracy theory is that they told McNabb: "We're taking you out if you don't get the first down." Thus giving him the opportunity to come out with an "injury." I don't think he would have bailed on his own, but it was either that or get benched.
The question is: what do they do next week?

If he's OK they'll keep him. I really don't think they were going to bench him. I think he was slightly injured and they left it up to him, and he called it a day. We'll see.

[iPoster]

...is still a win!

Didn't get to see the game, and haven't caught the highlights yet, but it sounds like McNabb was having a horrible day before he got hurt. Is Miami's defense that good, or was he that bad? I think the injury was real, no coach in his right mind would start Feely on a regular basis if he has a choice. Nice game by Westbrook, hopefully he'll start getting the recognition he deserves.

Nice to see the Eagles finally running the ball like I thought they could, but it took an injury to McNabb to do it. :\

[SDW2001]

...is still a win!

Didn't get to see the game, and haven't caught the highlights yet, but it sounds like McNabb was having a horrible day before he got hurt. Is Miami's defense that good, or was he that bad? I think the injury was real, no coach in his right mind would start Feely on a regular basis if he has a choice. Nice game by Westbrook, hopefully he'll start getting the recognition he deserves.

Nice to see the Eagles finally running the ball like I thought they could, but it took an injury to McNabb to do it. :\

He was pretty bad. He did have a nice throw on the flea flicker that called back (it was a TD). He also ran a few times well. But his accuracy was pathetic. The weather really messed them up, as Feeley through one too. Once it got better, things started moving. And you're right, the run really helped.

I think Donovan will play next week as he was walking yesterday OK. It sounds like they really didn't want him to go in as Andy said he couldn't run on it. I'll take him at his word.

How to beat the Patriots? I think the only chance is to run, run, run and run some more. Consume the clock and keep Brady off the field. And the offense is still going to have to score 35 points to even have a chance. If you couple that with a few big plays on offense and defense (and some luck), they have a shot. But if Brady gets the time he wants, if people make stupid mistakes, blow routes and coverages, that's it. The Eagles need to be at their best. The Patriots need to have a game that's a little off.

But I'll be drunk and eating wings, so I'll feel good either way.

[Bageljoey]

It was pretty much impossible to make a statement by beating the now 0-10 Dolphins and, sure enough, the Eagles didn't.

Primarily, they succeeded in further bloodying the shark-infested waters that surround their quarterback.
:lol::lol:
That was from Les Bowen of the Phila Daily News. I think sums up my thinking...
I don't even know what to hope for now...

"It's a lot better than being 4-6," offered coach Andy Reid, when asked about being 5-5.:err:

[SDW2001]

:lol::lol:
That was from Les Bowen of the Phila Daily News. I think sums up my thinking...
I don't even know what to hope for now...

:err:

Well, in fairness I think the Dolphins are better than their record indicates. If you look at that game, the score could have easily been 27 to 7 with the called back play. The conditions were bad too. No excuses though, McNabb didn't play well when he was in. The positives for me were defense and Westbrook.

Right now I see them going 9-7 on the year and likely missing the playoffs. That said, the rest of the NFC is so bad, they might sneak in.

Biggest concern? Special teams. They would be 7-3 right now with good special teams. The defense is getting old too, and that needs to be addressed. I would also be looking for another star wide receiver. They are not bad, but they need that go-to guy.

Funny enough, I am now more confident that McNabb will be back next year, providing he is healthy. That would give Kolb another year to get ready, learn the system, and maybe get some reps. If McNabb tanks, he could be pulled. Who knows.

[Cake]

Right now I see them going 9-7 on the year and likely missing the playoffs. That said, the rest of the NFC is so bad, they might sneak in.

I predict 7-9. No playoffs this year.

[SDW2001]

I predict 7-9. No playoffs this year.

They won't lose 4 more games, at least I don't think so.

Patriots--L
Seahawks--W
Giants--W
Cowboys--L
Saints--W
Bills --W

Yes, I think we can beat the Seahawks and Giants. Neither is guaranteed and could easily go the other way. But I think they are capable.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Seattle is beginning to warm up. I hope your pass defense is ready...

[SDW2001]

Seattle is beginning to warm up. I hope your pass defense is ready...

Yeah I know. My feeling right now though is that the Eagles can beat all but the Cowboys and Patriots coming up, if they play their best and catch a few breaks. God knows they are due.

[SDW2001]

Predictions for tomorrow?

My best shot: Patriots 41, Eagles 14

If the Eagles play really well and the Pats make some mistakes: Pats 35, Eagles 24

If there is a miracle: Pats 31, Eagles 28

If the sun explodes: Eagles 35, Pats 34

[iPoster]

To quote Han Solo:

"I've got a really bad feeling about this!"

:D

Hopefully this can be the Patsies' 'trap game'...;)

[SDW2001]

To quote Han Solo:

"I've got a really bad feeling about this!"

:D

Hopefully this can be the Patsies' 'trap game'...;)

You and me both, friend.

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[Guybrush Threepwood]

We fuckin' won!

Oh man, it feels good to win after watching your team get manhandled 8 weeks in a row.

Frank Gore is back!

[iPoster]

Frank Gore is back!

A San Francisco fan? Funny how there's so many fewer of you in the 2000's than the 1990's. ;)

Nice to get a top player back, now McNabb is out for the Patriots...ugh.

[Bageljoey]

It's not gonna be pretty tonight.

Then again...