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Fellowship

09-10-2007, 02:06 PM

sammi jo

09-10-2007, 03:53 PM

It is ok to dissent.

Fellows

Damned right. It's more than just OK to dissent. It's essential for a healthy democratic republic, and when used judiciously, can remove corrupt, cancerous elements in power. Dissent is part and parcel of a free society. It is an act of patriotism to express dissent.

It was dissent that got the United States up and running. The recent clampdown on dissent, which has accelerated out of all proportion under BushCorp, might be part of its undoing. Leonid Brezhnev would be so proud.. looks like the old Soviet Union is winning the Cold War without even taking part.

Freedom fries? Freedom's fried.

Taskiss

09-10-2007, 04:04 PM

America needs some healing in a bad way. It is ok to dissent.

FellowsThings are better today than when I was young, and they'll be that much better when my kids are my age.

Healing takes time and the process is gradual. Since it is better, I'd expect it to continue.

southside grabowski

09-10-2007, 04:25 PM

@_@ Artman

09-10-2007, 04:57 PM

Jubelum

09-10-2007, 05:06 PM

betrayus

... a surprising Fellows echo from MoveOn... :rolleyes:

dmz

09-10-2007, 05:17 PM

Again, I tried to watch FoxNews (and television in general) over the weekend at my Mom's place and was dumbfounded. It was like watching the newscasts Paul Verhoeven inserted in his RoboCop (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9063730402457863094) and Starship Troopers (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5243584105967554663) movies. Bat-shit crazy propaganda and stupidity.

Honestly, CNN and MSNBC aren't any better. Thank the Spaghetti Monster I got rid of cable and television in general. :err:
I really hear you on that one.

Not just singling out Fox -- the longer I go without watching network television, it -- the comercials, news, the promos, everything -- seems absolutely right out of Robocop, or very nearly, Idiocracy.

Absolute blunt-trauma, blipvert central. Crazy. Kill your television!

Fellowship

09-10-2007, 05:18 PM

... a surprising Fellows echo from MoveOn... :rolleyes:

LOL you might be right but I am no fan of MoveOn. They are one of the two endcaps of extreme being the left in this case. I am no fan of the War is good for you BushCo either.

There must be a possible third vantage point or even 20 more vantage points than just the left or right model.

Ehh?

Fellows

Jubelum

09-10-2007, 06:13 PM

LOL you might be right but I am no fan of MoveOn. They are one of the two endcaps of extreme being the left in this case. I am no fan of the War is good for you BushCo either.

There must be a possible third vantage point or even 20 more vantage points than just the left or right model.

Ehh?

Fellows

Sure... I was just a bit surprised, thats all. :smokey:

You still have mad respect from the peeps. 8-)

FormerLurker

09-10-2007, 06:20 PM

It was like watching the newscasts Paul Verhoeven inserted in his RoboCop (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9063730402457863094) and Starship Troopers (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5243584105967554663) movies. Bat-shit crazy propaganda and stupidity.

Honestly, CNN and MSNBC aren't any better. Thank the Spaghetti Monster I got rid of cable and television in general. :err:

I really hear you on that one.

Not just singling out Fox -- the longer I go without watching network television, it -- the comercials, news, the promos, everything -- seems absolutely right out of Robocop, or very nearly, Idiocracy.

Absolute blunt-trauma, blipvert central. Crazy. Kill your television!
I'd buy that for a dollar!

SDW2001

09-10-2007, 08:19 PM

It sure is interesting to watch our "leaders" have people removed for speaking their mind during the betrayus cooked books walk the line testimony session.

Also Alex Jones being arrested last night for speaking his mind in NYC.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/alex/alex_jones_arrested_nyc_update.htm

America needs some healing in a bad way. It is ok to dissent.

Fellows

I see you have officially joined the kooks. That ad for "General Betrayus" was shameful and in my opinion, it makes that Times and Moveon absolute treasonous scumbags. It's also defamatory and slanderous. EVERYONE should condemn such a term, not embrace it.

tonton

09-10-2007, 08:46 PM

I see you have officially joined the kooks. That ad for "General Betrayus" was shameful and in my opinion, it makes that Times and Moveon absolutely treasonous scumbags. It's also defamatory and slanderous. EVERYONE should condemn such a term, not embrace it.

"Hitlery"
"O-Bomb-a"
"Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama"

I guess you're okay with those.

SDW2001

09-10-2007, 09:02 PM

"Hitlery"
"O-Bomb-a"
"Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama"

I guess you're okay with those.

Well, I wouldn't use them in a serious conversation, no. Perhaps in humor or while being facetious, depending on the circumstances. Maybe.

That said, they don't approach the NYT running a full page ad paid for by Moveon, publicly calling the the unanimously confirmed Commander of American Forces in Iraq General "Betrayus." It's positively disgusting. And yes, if the roles were reversed, I'd condemn a right-of-center group for doing the same.

Fellowship

09-10-2007, 09:46 PM

"Hitlery"
"O-Bomb-a"
"Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Barack Hussein Obama"

I guess you're okay with those.

As SDW2001 notes I have joined the "kooks" because I know this stuff goes both ways and for the same reasons.

We need to move beyond party and fake outrage.

We need to demand truth from our leaders and that they do not take away our liberties while bankrupting the country and I don't give a hoot from which party we are talking about here.

Fellows

jimmac

09-10-2007, 09:50 PM

I see you have officially joined the kooks. That ad for "General Betrayus" was shameful and in my opinion, it makes that Times and Moveon absolute treasonous scumbags. It's also defamatory and slanderous. EVERYONE should condemn such a term, not embrace it.

What they should condemn is us still being in Iraq!

Oh wait! They do!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/10/surge.poll/index.html

" Poll: Petraeus recommendations tough sell to Americans "

;)

Fellowship

09-10-2007, 10:16 PM

That was hilarious. Geraldo the charlatan, a few bimbos and a bunch of moonbats!

Modern America is not responsive to the moonbat mentality. This type of display will not change any minds. Worse yet, it has a good chance of increasing support for the Republicans. These are 40 year old tactics. They don't work anymore.

"moonbats"???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbat

moonbats if I am not mistaken refer to liberals on the left. Alex Jones and his people are not liberals. They are mostly for Ron Paul for president.

ShawnJ here one of the left leaning members here at AI views Ron Paul as the most conservative guy in the race for president if I am not mistaken so...

moonbat? I think you are mistaken to view either Alex Jones or those who follow his work moonbats.

sure some of them could be left wingers but I promise you there are just as many conservatives within the Alex Jones audience. The thing is that the conservatives who agree with Alex Jones are NOT the NEOCON sort of so-called "conservative"

There is a difference. I used to be a conservative but I am not a neocon supporter in the least. I was a fiscal conservative back in the day.

Now I am a hybrid and I view Alex Jones as NO liberal.

You are just completely mistaken to call these people moonbats.

Fellows

mydo

09-11-2007, 08:09 AM

I fear that the Repugs will make the 2008 election a referendum on Code Pink, MoveOn and Sheehan. I don't know why liberals and pregressives have to give them so much ammunition. :???:

@_@ Artman

09-11-2007, 09:05 AM

I see you have officially joined the kooks. That ad for "General Betrayus" was shameful and in my opinion, it makes that Times and Moveon absolute treasonous scumbags. It's also defamatory and slanderous. EVERYONE should condemn such a term, not embrace it.

For some reason now, whenever I read SDW's posts I hear Bill O'Reilly's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7JPvbVsDdY) voice.

shudder

southside grabowski

09-11-2007, 10:51 AM

I fear that the Repugs will make the 2008 election a referendum on Code Pink, MoveOn and Sheehan. I don't know why liberals and pregressives have to give them so much ammunition. :???:

This is the point Fellows, regardless of terminology. Our society is no longer receptive to the "take it to the street" approach. It is my opinion that those who use this approach hurt their causes and the candidates supporting these causes. This is bulletin board material for your dreaded "Neocons".

Fellowship

09-11-2007, 11:12 AM

This is the point Fellows, regardless of terminology. Our society is no longer receptive to the "take it to the street" approach. It is my opinion that those who use this approach hurt their causes and the candidates supporting these causes. This is bulletin board material for your dreaded "Neocons".

You may have a good point. Most Americans are simply too busy or distracted to even catch the tactics you mention. Americans also have their Beer and Circus (sports)(Television)(movies) etc. But their is I would suggest a growing number of Americans who question the performance of their president and for that matter their congress. A majority of Americans want better performance from their leaders.

Fellows

southside grabowski

09-11-2007, 12:05 PM

You may have a good point. Most Americans are simply too busy or distracted to even catch the tactics you mention. Americans also have their Beer and Circus (sports)(Television)(movies) etc. But their is I would suggest a growing number of Americans who question the performance of their president and for that matter their congress. A majority of Americans want better performance from their leaders.

Fellows

No Fellows. I'm not talking about apathy or beer or football. I'm talking about a general distaste for the 60s style of protest. Dissention is very alive. How do you think your dreaded Neocons came to power? What do you think brought conservative talk radio from a few isolated wingnuts on small stations to what it is today? Dissention!

Conservatives know how to use the system to affect the changes they want. Conservatives know the styles of argument that voters respond to. You don't have to be in the street yelling "911 was an inside job" to show dissention. Direct your message in ways that the people will LISTEN TO YOU and not brush you off as a freak.

Fellowship

09-11-2007, 12:30 PM

No Fellows. I'm not talking about apathy or beer or football. I'm talking about a general distaste for the 60s style of protest. Dissention is very alive. How do you think your dreaded Neocons came to power? What do you think brought conservative talk radio from a few isolated wingnuts on small stations to what it is today? Dissention!

Conservatives know how to use the system to affect the changes they want. Conservatives know the styles of argument that voters respond to. You don't have to be in the street yelling "911 was an inside job" to show dissention. Direct your message in ways that the people will LISTEN TO YOU and not brush you off as a freak.

It takes money to have what you are talking about with Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. Alex Jones is a small fish budget wise. The Republican conservative talking points have shifted over the last 15 years from fiscal conservative ideas like welfare reform and balanced budgets (things I was for in those days as a conservative) to Neocon nationbuilding pro-war, Islam haters. This is not the same thing that drew me to listen to Rush sometimes in the past. Even in his past I did not agree with his rhetoric towards anyone who is Green minded when he dismisses them as "environmentalist whackos" and his fear of women as he calls women "feminazis" Rush has always had his "style" as I see it of being a big fat male chauvinist pig. The difference today is that the groundwork for conservative fiscal talk was laid and this drew a large audience. Today Rush as well as Fox and co. (Hannity, O'Reilly) etc. have pulled a bait and switch from fiscal conservative ideas which do win republicans elections to war mongering and spreading fear on a daily basis. You see in my not so distant past I dissented from the Democratic party ohh say in the early to mid 90's when I would hear Dick Gephardt and Tom Daschle talk down to the people in a condesceding manner like we are kids who need a Nanny to take care of us so "seniors don't have to eat dog food" etc. etc.. Fast forward that to today and now I am completely turned off by the republican Nanny rhetoric that "they and they alone" will protect us "the children in need of a nanny" from the terrrrrrrrrrurists...... The terrrrrrrrruriststsss. More of the same nanny crap just from a party of a different name.

People like Alex Jones and myself don't care for the Nanny crap from either side of the spectrum. Civil liberties are more important to protect than greedy, corrupt, power hungry politicians linked with greedy business deals and cronyism. Be this the Bush, Dick families or the Clinton, Gore families. It is all the same in the end. No what Alex and I want is a leader who has integrity and is not tied to these political donors which tend to corrupt as there is something usually expected in return for campaign donations etc. etc.

Fellows

southside grabowski

09-11-2007, 01:00 PM

Taskiss

09-11-2007, 01:47 PM

Civil liberties are more important to protect than greedy, corrupt, power hungry politicians linked with greedy business deals and cronyism. Most people care as much about civil liberties as libertarians care about most people's security - it's not necessarily unimportant, but it's not the most important thing. They pick security over civil liberties - libertarians pick civil liberties over security.

In the end, most ignore those who claim that civil liberties are more important, and because they are in the majority, their will be done.

libertarians get a bad rap 'cause these facts make them sputter and get red in the face and call people "sheeple" and make obscure Franklin quotes (without realizing Franklin sat the war out in France as the US ambassador).

Personally, I believe there can be parity between those positions with realization that “He must needs go that the Devil drives.”

@_@ Artman

09-11-2007, 01:47 PM

I have concluded that the only reasons anyone is against something, (especially dealing with money), is that they aren't getting their share of the money.

When they get their share of the money, they shut up and stop complaining about said mis-justice. :\

Fellowship

09-11-2007, 04:43 PM

Today's activists face the huge hurdle of convincing people who live higher than 90% of the world’s people that they are not happy. The need is to draw on a person’s conscious. I don’t know how to do that yet. I do know that you don’t want to give the propaganda machine bulletin board material.

I think there is a difference between if or not Americans are "happy" compared to the other issue of how American policy is viewed both from those here at home in America and from the vantage point of others across the globe.

This is not about if Americans are at the top or bottom or middle of any wealth graph rather this is about the conduct of our leaders in respect to the subject of war, business deals and the selling of fear. The world is more complex than the simpleton reduced version you try to project here. As for "Today's activists" I think you have to understand that differing peoples are "activists" in differing ways. It can just be a conversation at the dinner table at a family gathering for example. It does not have to be a prime time heavily bankrolled production on Fox Television. It does not have to be a few protesters in the street. It can be manifest in quite a few differing ways truthfully.

Fellows

southside grabowski

09-11-2007, 05:03 PM

Fellowship

09-11-2007, 05:14 PM

@_@ Artman

09-11-2007, 05:20 PM

Fellows Fellows Fellows

The task is to get "happy" people with full bellies to listen to you long enough so that they can see that there is a problem. That is not easy Fellows. Neither protesting in the street nor pompous lectures from idealists will get it done. I don't have the answer yet.

Close to one year after the War against Terror was officially flagged off in the ruins of Afghanistan, in country after country freedoms are being curtailed in the name of protecting freedom, civil liberties are being suspended in the name of protecting democracy. All kinds of dissent are being defined as "terrorism". All kinds of laws are being passed to deal with it. Osama bin Laden seems to have vanished into thin air. Mullah Omar is supposed to have made his escape on a motorbike. (They could have sent TinTin after him.) [Laughter] The Taliban may have disappeared but their spirit, and their system of summary justice is surfacing in the unlikeliest of places. In India, in Pakistan, in Nigeria, in America, in all the Central Asian republics run by all manner of despots, and of course in Afghanistan under the U.S.-backed, Northern Alliance.

Meanwhile down at the mall there's a mid-season sale. Everything's discounted - oceans, rivers, oil, gene pools, fig wasps, flowers, childhoods, aluminum factories, phone companies, wisdom, wilderness, civil rights, eco-systems, air - all 4,600 million years of evolution. It's packed, sealed, tagged, valued and available off the rack. (No returns). As for justice - I'm told it's on offer too. You can get the best that money can buy.

Donald Rumsfeld said that his mission in the War Against Terror was to persuade the world that Americans must be allowed to continue their way of life. When the maddened king stamps his foot, slaves tremble in their quarters. So, standing here today, it's hard for me to say this, but "The American Way of Life" is simply not sustainable. Because it doesn't acknowledge that there is a world beyond America.

[Applause]

But fortunately, power has a shelf life. When the time comes, maybe this mighty empire will, like others before it, overreach itself and implode from within. It looks as though structural cracks have already appeared. As the War Against Terror casts its net wider and wider, America's corporate heart is hemorrhaging. For all the endless, empty chatter about democracy, today the world is run by three of the most secretive institutions in the world: The International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization, all three of which, in turn, are dominated by the U.S. Their decisions are made in secret. The people who head them are appointed behind closed doors. Nobody really knows anything about them, their politics, their beliefs, their intentions. Nobody elected them. Nobody said they could make decisions on our behalf. A world run by a handful of greedy bankers and C.E.O.'s whom nobody elected can't possibly last.

Soviet-style communism failed, not because it was intrinsically evil but because it was flawed. It allowed too few people to usurp too much power. Twenty-first century market-capitalism, American style, will fail for the same reasons. Both are edifices constructed by the human intelligence, undone by human nature.

The time has come, the Walrus said. Perhaps things will become worse and then better. Perhaps there's a small god up in heaven readying herself for us. Another world is not only possible, she's on her way. Maybe many of us won't be here to greet her, but on a quiet day, if I listen very carefully, I can hear her breathing.

Thank you. [Applause] - from Arundhati Roy reading "Come September (http://nmazca.com/verba/roy.htm)"

"We" documentary video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4631324857495646397) 1hr. 4 min.

I posted (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=78727) this in the forums this morning. I hope somebody watches it.

southside grabowski

09-11-2007, 05:30 PM

I agree with that Artman. It follows that change will come only after the "happy" people suffer. I search for a way to bring change before a crash.

southside grabowski

09-11-2007, 05:34 PM

The truth is not always popular. Just a fact of life. No?

Do you have any idea what I am saying Fellows? I'm not arguing against the need for change! I am talking about the difficulty in convincing the population that there is a need for change! How do you get their attention!? That is what I am asking Fellows!

@_@ Artman

09-11-2007, 08:12 PM

Anti-War Minister Is Attacked, Gets Leg Broken for Trying to Enter Petraeus Hearing (http://alternet.org/blogs/peek/62293/)

After waiting in line throughout the morning for the hearing that was scheduled to start at 12:30pm, Rev. Yearwood was stopped from entering the room, while others behind him were allowed to enter. He told the officers blocking his ability to enter the room, that he was waiting in line with everyone else and had the right to enter as well. When they threatened him with arrest he responded with "I will not be arrested today." According to witnesses, six capitol police, without warning, "football tackled him. He was carried off in a wheel chair by DC Fire and Emergency to George Washington Hospital.

Rev. Yearwood was examined for possible head and leg injuries then transferred to Central Processing. He has been charged with "assaulting a police officer."

Rev. Yearwood said as he was being released from the hospital to be taken to central booking, "The officers decided I was not going to get in Gen. Petreaus' hearing when they saw my button, which says 'I LOVE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ.'"

Meanwhile, in the hearing room...

Lawmakers caught losing their cool at Iraq hearing (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/09/11/lawmakers-caught-losing-their-cool-at-iraq-hearing/)

The protesters, seven of whom were arrested or led from the room during the hearing, clearly rankled the chairman. Under the impression that the mic was off, Skelton then told Hunter, “That really pisses me off, Duncan,” followed by a stronger expletive. “And I don’t need a god-damn lecture from Dan Burton."

Another exchange came at the end of the day when Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida, in advance of questioning Petraeus, thanked the chairman, in all seriousness, for “the very calm way in which you’ve conducted this hearing.”

The video (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/09/10/sot.patraeus.intense.cnn).

Your lawmakers (and tax dollars) at work.

mydo

09-11-2007, 08:26 PM

Anti-War Minister Is Attacked, Gets Leg Broken for Trying to Enter Petraeus Hearing (http://alternet.org/blogs/peek/62293/)

That guy did not break his leg.:rolleyes:

@_@ Artman

09-11-2007, 08:30 PM

That guy did not break his leg.:rolleyes:

Scroll down...

(Update: Liz from Hip Hop Caucus is at court and can't get online, but wanted people to know that Rev. Yearwood has a broken leg, he's in a cast and he's being arraigned for assaulting an officer and disorderly conduct. Updates as we get them -- JH)

Sigh, whatever. Go back and watch American Idol or wank off in Second Life. I give up. :\

mydo

09-11-2007, 08:32 PM

Scroll down...

Sigh, whatever. Go back and watch American Idol or wank off in Second Life. I give up. :\

Yea I read it. More importantly I watched the video. I wanna see the X-ray.

@_@ Artman

09-12-2007, 08:55 AM

mydo

09-12-2007, 08:20 PM

I don't know where you are going with this. Broken leg or not he should not have been barred from entering the hearings because of a button. Period.

I think it is ignorance of truth. You think the minister would lie? The doctor would lie? You're lying to yourself.

As Col. Jessep said: You can't handle the truth.

Look the only two people, that I can tell, that are saying he broke his leg are the minister and his spokesperson. I did a google news search last night and found no ligit' news services covering this story of a broken leg. I would imagine if the police had broken his leg that would be big news.

I'm may be wrong but I'm maintaining my "bullshit" call on this one.

@_@ Artman

09-13-2007, 11:44 AM

Look the only two people, that I can tell, that are saying he broke his leg are the minister and his spokesperson. I did a google news search last night and found no ligit' news services covering this story of a broken leg. I would imagine if the police had broken his leg that would be big news.

I'm may be wrong but I'm maintaining my "bullshit" call on this one.

Local & US Politics: Corkboard: Montague Politics (http://www.montaguema.net/corkboard.cfm?gpt=34&cs=6&ID=16164&g=201)

Today, Rev. Yearwood will be arraigned in court on possibly Felony charges. This carries a possible 5 year prison sentence. The reason? The police need to justify why they used enough force that placed Rev. Yearwood in the hospital. As he was released from the hospital, the police handcuffed him and shoved him into a police crusier. They seemed confused as to what to do with the crutches.

Stop being an ignorant ass.

mydo

09-13-2007, 08:13 PM

Local & US Politics: Corkboard: Montague Politics (http://www.montaguema.net/corkboard.cfm?gpt=34&cs=6&ID=16164&g=201)

Stop being an ignorant ass.

Show me an X-ray. My confidence builds. Much like Denise Rodman, this minister took a flop. Much Rodman he was fouled, he's in the right, but the severity of the foul was a matter acting and not fact. So I'll take a step further a step further and say that it was naive of you to stand on the statement of a spokesperson that this guy in fact broke his leg which he did not.

mydo

09-13-2007, 08:17 PM

I'm not alone (http://election.msn.com/?GT1=10357).

The best thing that could happen to the Democrats is for Ron Paul to run as a third-party candidate.

Yea that's the truth. We need a Perro to land Hillary safely in the White House. History repeats.

@_@ Artman

09-13-2007, 08:42 PM

Show me an X-ray. My confidence builds. Much like Denise Rodman, this minister took a flop. Much Rodman he was fouled, he's in the right, but the severity of the foul was a matter acting and not fact. So I'll take a step further a step further and say that it was naive of you to stand on the statement of a spokesperson that this guy in fact broke his leg which he did not.

I gave you a link to the local newspaper's blog (http://www.montaguema.net/corkboard.cfm?gpt=34&cs=6&ID=16164&g=201). Bookmark it. You'll get all the information you need. The reverend is an activist. Don't get me wrong, he is on a list. Compared to the other ass-hats (looking at you Cindy Sheehan), he was civil and aware of his rights to be allowed in that briefing. His only statement was a button. His love for the Iraqi people. I think what the security did was wrong.

Comparing this to (I think) to a has-been basketball player without a clue doesn't help either. I'm done. Here's the link again (http://www.montaguema.net/corkboard.cfm?gpt=34&cs=6&ID=16164&g=201). It will be up to you to get rid of this pang of doubt you have. Good luck.

mydo

09-14-2007, 07:46 AM

I gave you a link to the local newspaper's blog (http://www.montaguema.net/corkboard.cfm?gpt=34&cs=6&ID=16164&g=201). Bookmark it. You'll get all the information you need. The reverend is an activist. Don't get me wrong, he is on a list. Compared to the other ass-hats (looking at you Cindy Sheehan), he was civil and aware of his rights to be allowed in that briefing. His only statement was a button. His love for the Iraqi people. I think what the security did was wrong.

Comparing this to (I think) to a has-been basketball player without a clue doesn't help either. I'm done. Here's the link again (http://www.montaguema.net/corkboard.cfm?gpt=34&cs=6&ID=16164&g=201). It will be up to you to get rid of this pang of doubt you have. Good luck.

Focus @_@ Artman Focus. Focus on what I'm writing. FOCUS! I called bullshit on the guy breaking his leg. It appears that I am right. He did not break his leg like you said he did. The guy was full of crap when he was on the ground saying his leg was broken. And you are full of crap because you wont admit that you were willingly duped by an eye catching headline.

BTW you link mentions nothing about a leg. Focus. We're talking about the leg, l-e-g.