Armenian Genocide: Rampant Bush Hypocrisy

[segovius]

Please believe me; I do not want to post another thread about Bush. Not ever. I don't want to hear about him, talk about him or - God help us all - think about him.

BUT he just won't let me leave him alone. Just when you think you are home dry there's another piece of draw-dropping hypocrisy, stupidity, malevolence or downright insanity - or a quadruple whammy of all four that sends you running for cover faster than a very small nun at a penguin-shoot.

So, reluctantly I am forced to comment.

President George W Bush has urged US legislators not to pass a resolution declaring the killing of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire to be genocide.

"This resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings," he said hours before a vote by the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

Historic mass killings? :err:

No! it was a fucking genocide you moron!!!!!

Why can't he call it like it is? He blathers on about the Holocaust often enough - I guess 'Never Again' only really applies to you know who.

This was genocide and this President has reached new lows of moral depravity by refusing to name it as such - all because he needs the Turks to do a bit of genocide of their own on his behalf.

He should try denying that the German killing of Jews was genocide and then we'll see 'democracy in action'.... people get locked up for mentioning it and if you are the leader of a country who is falsely accused of saying it then you get threatened to have your population murdered. If you Armenian though you're shit out of luck. No-one cares buddy.

No expensive museums. No reparation. No freedom from ongoing persecution and now - the President of the US will deny that you suffered any trouble at all.

Sick. There are really no depths this man cannot plumb now. I am convinced of that.

:mad::mad:

Full sorry tale. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7038095.stm)

[MarcUK]

is it not even stranger that this happened nearly 100 years ago? Surely by now, everyone would realise that it was a genocide.

We realise that similar events 10 years ago were genocidal, ie Bosnia, Crotia and even today in Darfur, we realise genocide is taking place.

So why has it taken nearly 100 years for this to become an issue? Why was it not declared genocide, while/ shortly after it was taking place, as we would do today?

Why does it even matter if an ally is judged to habe committed genocide 100 years ago. Surely all those people are dead - the perpertrators of the genocide. We cannot offend them.

What it does show though, is that whomever you are pandering too at the time, decides how the event will be judged by history. This is why 'history' is often a load of crap - and should be investigated properly.

Our enemies commit genocide or terrorism, while our allies do 'mass killing' or 'installing freedom'

[segovius]

Exactly.

And of course 'Genocide' is a label a bit like the DOC wine system - once you have awarded it to someone it gives them certain rights and legitimacy.

And only certain people can have that....

[sammi jo]

It's not just Bush... its those behind his administration who decided that the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians wasn't worthy of the term genocide; such emotional terminology is reserved for more favored groups. Bush probably couldn't locate Armenia on a map before this issue came to his attention, anyway.

[southside grabowski]

Diplomacy is often very fragile. Sometimes it is smarter to hold your tongue.

[@_@ Artman]

This explains it all segovius, explains the last 7 f*cking years. (http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20071010_daily_show_mission_described/)

[screener]

Diplomacy is often very fragile. Sometimes it is smarter to hold your tongue.

Like you should do.

[Jubelum]

Like you should do.

:lol: Wow. (Expletive)(Nationality)

[Jubelum]

BUT he just won't let me leave him alone.

Tune out the noise, sego. Your brain is much too valuable to the board to be slammed repeatedly against the Wall of Bush. The outrages will never end, trust me. Not until 2009.

[segovius]

Tune out the noise, sego. Your brain is much too valuable to the board to be slammed repeatedly against the Wall of Bush. The outrages will never end, trust me. Not until 2009.

You're probably right...wise words.

Looks like the Bill is going through regardless though which is a good thing.

Russia and France have already accepted it as genocide - really it just looks like the US and UK (what a surprise) that refuse.

Why cannot some States and 'Leaders' actually stand up for what is right regardless of how much 'benefit' there is in it for them?

Wonder how Turkey will take it...

[@_@ Artman]

Defense Secretary Gates' take on this is clear... (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/10/us.turkey.armenians/index.html)

Gates said good relations with Turkey are vital because 70 percent of the air cargo intended for U.S. forces in Iraq and 30 percent of the fuel consumed by those forces flies through Turkey.

U.S. commanders, Gates said, "believe clearly that access to airfields and roads and so on in Turkey would very much be put at risk if this resolution passes and the Turks react as strongly as we believe they will."

"Our heavy dependence on the Turks for access is really the reason the commanders raised this and why we're so concerned about the resolution," Gates said.

Three reasons it won't pass; Iraq (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/08/turkey.kurds/index.html), Turkey (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/10/turkey.kurds.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch) and fear of reparations (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7038095.stm).

[talksense101]

Turkey has warned the US that it will rethink its support for the US in the middle east if they term it a genocide. Who cares about the right thing to do these days? It is all about what is in it for me and how influential the group is. All past presidents of the US have been guilty of this particular issue at least for the past decade or so. GWB hasn't done anything new in this regard.

[segovius]

Turkey has warned the US that it will rethink its support for the US in the middle east if they term it a genocide. Who cares about the right thing to do these days? It is all about what is in it for me and how influential the group is. All past presidents of the US have been guilty of this particular issue at least for the past decade or so. GWB hasn't done anything new in this regard.

No, but the point is - and this is why people hate him worldwide and by extension the US - that he is the only one who has made it a 'crusade' to install Democracy and 'freedom' - and that makes him basically a liar. He is the worst sort of sick psychopath - he feels it is morally ok to dangle 'freedom', 'hope' and 'justice' in front of the faces of the most oppressed people in the world but only to do it for his own benefit with no intention of following through.

I can imagine that story of him torturing frogs as a child and other indications of his being a sadist are all true.....remember how he mocked the woman who asked for mercy before her execution?

I remember after the Afghanistan invasion sitting with an Afghan friend from London listening to Blair (and I think Bush separately) giving a speech. I will try to find it.

The theme of both these liars was the same; they were saying 'we have failed Afghanistan in the past - we say to the Afghan people now - we will not forget you again'.

My friend had tears rolling down his face - he had lost family to the Russians and then the Taleban.... he was saying 'thank God, now they will rebuild, now they will help us - in 10 years we will be a country again.....'.

And I believed the liars too.....911 was such a momentous event it 'wiped the slate' for everyone....anything was possible. Except Bush chose to not grasp the new possibilities but just continue in the old ways.

They say 'the world changed on 911'

No, it did not.

It could have but now everything is exactly the same. Same Taleban. Same drugs. Same wars and corruption and the same liars telling the same lies.

And here we go again - all because the scumbag liars in the US need the help of the scumbag liars in Turkey to start another war in Iran.

[Jubelum]

Turkey Recalls Ambassador (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/11/us.turkey.armenians/index.html)

To: Madame Speaker, the Honorable Nancy Pelosi
From: Jubelum, United States Taxpayer and Eternal Campaigner for Our Children

Regarding Turkey: Excellent, Mrs. Speaker. Since you do not have the will or votes to end the war, why not just piss off our allies? Using a "piss off our allies" page from the Dubya playbook to serve your own political goals is OK, eh?

Maybe we can get a two-fer- the Clean Black and Pakistan, and the House Dems whacking Turkey over something that happened almost 90 years ago. Congrats. You idiots are *really* getting a lot done up there.

1- Have a slumber party over the war, and not deliver on the promise to end it.
2- Assail a private citizen with a radio show, even have some elected Democrat talk about "congressional censure" of a private citizen.
3. Offer a trillion-dollar tax increase- put ole Charlie Rangel on that.
4. Piss off Turkey over really old sh*t.
5. Threaten a pro-western government over the execution of the War on Terror.

Wow. You guys are SHAKING UP Washington. :smokey:

What exactly is this resolution going to do for the American people? For the middle class? For getting health care to America's chillren? Why don't you care more about the children than to waste time making a controversial political statement over something decades and decades in the past... the survivors of which are mostly no longer living? Is THIS the work of the American people? Limbaugh and Turkey? Keep it up guys... those of us on the right LOVE IT when you are too busy with dog-and-pony shows to further fsck up the country. :D

Now, Mrs. Speaker, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to get my shots so that I can go to the NASCAR event this weekend. :rolleyes:

[jamac]

I think we have invaded countries over "killing people is bad" and removed their leaders. Some only killed a few hundred thousand and that was only decades ago. I've heard something that people who deny certain historical events are in the axis of evil.

Some other country has killed several hundred thousand people just recently and their leader is still in office, I guess it's not so bad anyhow.
:wow:

Murder 1: you are cool, murder many you are even cooler and we want to be your friend (if we need you).
:???:

WTF

[Jubelum]

... just wondering what the hell this is really going to accomplish. Is the US Armenian lobby really that powerful?

[@_@ Artman]

I've heard something that people who deny certain historical events are in the axis of evil.

No. Only if they switch from petro-dollars to Euros (http://www.oilempire.us/euro.html). Then they are classified as meat popsicles of the Axis of Evil™.