News from my home town hits CNN: Police: Bullied boy, 14, arrested for weapons cache

[@_@ Artman]

When I clicked on this link..

Police: Bullied boy, 14, arrested for weapons cache (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/11/student.arsenal.ap/index.html)

and saw PLYMOUTH MEETING, Pennsylvania :wow:

I went to Plymouth Whitemarsh High School. Imagine my shock that a bullied student would be arrested for a weapons cache consisting of


30 air-powered guns, plus swords, knives, hand grenades, a bomb-making book, videos of the 1999 Columbine attack in Colorado and violence-filled notebooks, Castor said. The weapons were plainly visible in the boy's bedroom

My how the neighborhood's changed. I was bullied myself in school, but I learned to avoid or ignore the taunts. It must be much worse these days...:\


HOLY SHIT... (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20071011_High_school_open__teen_in_custody_as_thre at_investigated.html)

http://media.philly.com/images/student_weapons_da_300.jpg

Plymouth Whitemarsh High School conducted classes as usual this morning after a possible "Columbine-type" attack by a non-student was thwarted, officials said.

Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor said the 14-year-old youth, who had a 9mm semi-automatic handgun purchased by his mother, did not have any ammunition for the weapon.

Castor said he did not believe an attack was imminent. :wow::no::err::mad:

[Jubelum]

A lot of those guns are not real firearms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft)- they shoot plastic BBs. Hardly a "collection of weapons."
These are about as much "weapons" as this assault pencil here on my desk. Fsck these liars at CNN. So typical of the willfully ignorant.

District Attorney to Mrs. Brady, Feinstein, and Mr. Schumer: Your photo-op is ready. :rolleyes:

[@_@ Artman]

A lot of those guns are not real firearms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft)- they shoot plastic BBs. They rarely leave a mark.

District Attorney to Mrs. Brady, Feinstein, and Mr. Schumer: Your photo-op is ready. :rolleyes:

Jubelum, with your expertise...point out the ones that look authentic. The one on the tripod? The 9mm is in the front there...is that a Klingon Bat'leth there? A Katana?

By the way, the mother is being charged with purchasing the 9mm.

My childhood innocence was been ruined years ago...this settles it.

[Jubelum]

Jubelum, with your expertise...point out the ones that look authentic. The one on the tripod? The 9mm is in the front there...is that a Klingon Bat'leth there? A Katana?

By the way, the mother is being charged with purchasing the 9mm.

Good. She should be charged.

As far as the "horrific realism", so what? They are made to look authentic- but, in violation of federal law, the orange tips have been removed to make them indistinguishable from the real thing. This kid should be prosecuted for removing the orange inserts, and the DA should be prosecuted for Orwellian misleading of the sheeple. There are a number of ways that experienced shooters (presumably properly-educated law enforcement as well) can easily distinguish AirSoft from the real thing. The dead giveaway usually is the barrel diameter and the cheap plastic furniture that is almost never used in the real thing. On a table of ten AK-47s, I can find the AirSoft in a matter of 2-3 seconds.

These guns shoot soft plastic BBs, and do not pose much more than an eyeball threat to anyone.
And everyone in that photo and at CNN knows that.
They are available in any Wal-Mart.

This whole photo-op is a farce, tailor-made for people that hate the 2nd Amendment. They will stop at nothing to achieve their ends, obviously- and that includes trotting out a table of plastic AirSoft guns like it's the private "cache" (idiotic term) of Muhammad Adid. This may be the first time in history such an idiotic thing has been done to mislead people regarding guns. This whole episode and the accompanying lies are meant for one thing- emotional impact and manipulation of public opinion.

[@_@ Artman]

Good. She should be charged.

As far as the "horrific realism", so what? They are made to look authentic- but, in violation of federal law, the orange tips have been removed to make them indistinguishable from the real thing. This kid should be prosecuted for removing the orange inserts, and the DA should be prosecuted for Orwellian misleading of the sheeple. There are a number of ways that experienced shooters (presumably properly-educated law enforcement as well) can easily distinguish AirSoft from the real thing. The dead giveaway usually is the barrel diameter and the cheap plastic furniture that is almost never used in the real thing. On a table of ten AK-47s, I can find the AirSoft in a matter of 2-3 seconds.

This whole photo-op is a farce, tailor-made for people that hate the 2nd Amendment. They will stop at nothing to achieve their ends, obviously- and that includes trotting out a table of plastic AirSoft guns like it the private "cache" (idiotic term) of Muhammad Adid. This may be the first time in history such an idiotic thing has been done to mislead people regarding guns.

Good points Jube...if you digged deeper and checked the second, less impressive photo...

http://media.philly.com/images/student_weapons_300.jpg

Orange tips. Both reports state that the majority of the "weapons" were air guns and Star Trek/Kill Bill Ebay items...but the grenades (reported as one "active" and two "being built") and the 9mm..."no ammo"...but still, this kid was a ticking time-bomb. Add a nut-job mother and you get a disaster waiting to happen.

I have a nephew who bought my parent's home in Plymouth Meeting and he's married and has two kids. :\

Whatever. I'm just saddened that my hometown has been sucked into this social/cultural cesspool that this whole country's become. :mad:

[Jubelum]

Good points Jube...if you digged deeper and checked the second, less impressive photo...

I get that, Artman... the issue here is that the "Table of Death" photo with the "weapons cache" headline will be what is on the wires and on the evening news, getting the same heavily-spun load of bullshit that the DA in this case has hand-crafted for manipulating opinion. Notice that there is not ONE SINGLE orange tip on the table.. no way. It would expose the farce on sight.

You see, few people are going to go beyond "weapons cache, 14 year old, HOLY SHIT photo" - Then, they are going to vote accordingly, based on one lie after another. Kind of like I feel about Dubya. And guess what? At the end of these lies, our freedoms have left the building.

[@_@ Artman]

I get that, Artman... the issue here is that the "Table of Death" photo with the "weapons cache" headline will be what is on the wires and on the evening news, getting the same heavily-spun load of bullshit that the DA in this case has hand-crafted for manipulating opinion. Notice that there is not ONE SINGLE orange tip on the table.. no way. It would expose the farce on sight.

You see, few people are going to go beyond "weapons cache, 14 year old, HOLY SHIT photo" - Then, they are going to vote accordingly, based on one lie after another. Kind of like I feel about Dubya. And guess what? At the end of these lies, our freedoms have left the building.

Well lets get to the fact that the kid was bat-shit angry. Let's get to the fact that the behaviors of these teenagers are ignored and brushed aside until it's too late. It happens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre). It happened yesterday (http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=14541426).

Whether this cache of weapons would be available at Toys R Us or not...the motivation of unbridled revenge is there.

Jebus, I had friends in high school who were beer drinking, meth snorting gun owners. None of them went bat-shit crazy mentally about school, girlfriends or anything else to resort to guns.

[Jubelum]

Well lets get to the fact that the kid was bat-shit angry. Let's get to the fact that the behaviors of these teenagers are ignored and brushed aside until it's too late. It happens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre). It happened yesterday (http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=14541426).

Whether this cache of weapons would be available at Toys R Us or not...the motivation of unbridled revenge is there.

Jebus, I had friends in high school who were beer drinking, meth snorting gun owners. None of them went bat-shit crazy mentally about school, girlfriends or anything else to resort to guns.

My apologies for the mini-rant... it's just one of those things for me. This story is a hit piece.

Now, regarding mental health and young people... I completely agree with you that things are getting/have gotten WAY out of control in our schools and with our young people. I believe one major reason for this is the utter breakdown in discipline both at home and at school. Schools cannot properly discipline children out of fear of lawyers, and parents are too afraid of the PC nazis at CPS to create any sort of discomfort in their cherlin.

I have family that are in the classroom in public schools here in Texas. You are not allowed to create any sort of order based in right and wrong. All you can do is enforce a narrow group of explicit rules which have rather minimal consequences when broken. Teachers are now more afraid of the parents, their attorneys, and outcome-based apologists than of turning out kids that are socially and intellectually inept in dealing with life's problems.

That being said, there needs to be ZERO tolerance for bullying and teasing. The schools I went to were just becoming afraid of bullies and their lawyers when I was leaving. Today, my niece reports daily of the 4th and 5th grade kids who are bullying her fellow 3rd graders, often in plain sight of the paralyzed teachers and administrators.

In my view, when a kid makes a truly terroristic threat, he/she needs to be sent to alternative education. Do not pass go, do not collect a civil judgement. Not happening. To exacerbate the problem, we're putting kids under the pressing stone of standardized testing, and failing to teach any interpersonal and life skills whatsoever. I volunteer in a job training program in my home town, and I am amazed at how many high school graduates just cannot handle conflict, failure, and disappointment in a responsible way. Kids have quickly adapted to use the victimhood and excuse-making dogma they have learned in school.

There was a day not all that long ago where kids had loaded shotguns in their pickups in the school parking lot- guns that were never used for evil. Hell, my older brother used to carry his 22 target rifle to and from school on the bus. :rolleyes:

This all starts with parenting. Schools cannot do it all, or even half of it. Parenting, or lack thereof, is the problem here. Parents think by shielding their kids from the effects of their behaviour that they are helping. They are filling the world with maladjusted, angry, socially inept fools. Schools permit Marilyn Manson (tied to multiple school shootings) but are hostile to the Bible. Go figure.

Regarding guns... the guns have always been there, and in the past they have been there in MUCH greater quantity than they are today. Hell, even our ROTC kids are not allowed to shoot real guns, and that's the ROTC. The educational environment has changed, the kids are being force-fed violence from birth, and their overall socialization is not be accomplished in front of an Xbox or the Internets. Kids are learning from their boomer and genX parents that not winning is grounds to get outraged, get violent, and sue, not "do better next time."

[Jubelum]

Whether this cache of weapons

Please, this was not a cache of weapons. That's perpetuating the buzz-word headline that I nearly derailed your thread debunking.

[@_@ Artman]

Please, this was not a cache of weapons. That's perpetuating the buzz-word headline that I nearly derailed your thread debunking.

Sorry. Cache of plastic stuff. :D

LOOK AT CNN'S HOMEPAGE... (http://www.cnn.com/)

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/10/11/student.arsenal/t1home.arsenal.wpvi.jpg

Police: Boy planned 'Columbine' event :rolleyes::no::err:

[Jubelum]

Sorry. Cache of plastic stuff. :D

LOOK AT CNN'S HOMEPAGE... (http://www.cnn.com/)


CNN's homepage- I don't care about their homepage, I've already explained in detail what they are doing here, and what the goal is.

I agree.. this kid was screwed up. Bad. And his mother should be strung up for providing him the 9mm. By the way, that is ALREADY against the law... installed during the 1993 gun-ban frenzy. Failing to properly secure is a felony in many areas, a crime aggravated by her knowledge or assumed knowledge of his mental state. This is a negligent mother who should experience the full wrath of the judicial system.

What law, short of a full ban, would have made this impossible? THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT- make all the laws you want, criminals will break them.

[SpamSandwich]

If police and politicians can make it sound all the more ominous, they will. Just means bigger budgets and taxes to support them and their departments.

Loosen up the gun laws and you'll have a well armed instant response available anywhere anytime. Better than waiting for the police to get there too late.

[iPoster]

Anarchist's Cookbook...good choice! ;) :D

Yes, the kid was a nutter, and it's good that they caught him before anything serious could happen; but I also agree with Jebelum that the facts of the 'arms cache' are being blown out of proportion. :rolleyes:

[@_@ Artman]

CNN's homepage- I don't care about their homepage, I've already explained in detail what they are doing here, and what the goal is.

Relax Jube, I understand your stance. I will state one thing that Michael Moore showed in Bowling for Columbine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPBHtjZmSpw) and that is the local news has used their method of instilling fear and dread of the scary black man and their guns. Now after 9-11 it's rampant. All news programs do it. Keep the populous in fear and dread. The only relief is to buy crap and keep buying into what the government tells you what's right for us. To protect us from the black man/boogy man/Bin Laden/Muslim Fascist/gun-toting teens.

Fear=Control The Shock Doctrine is in full swing. (http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine)

[sammi jo]

While we're spending $trillions on the so-called (bogus) "war on terrorism", simultaneously we have this 1800s Wild West attitude about guns. Bizarre. One of the almost comical incidents was when some people, rounded up in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, were disallowed from being questioned by the FBI because such might be "violating their 2nd amendment rights"... on the orders of former Attorney General Ashcroft (!!??!!). How come this administration OKs torturing people (who haven't been proven guilty of anything), but expresses concern about their right to have weapons... :grumble:

That kid's mom should be hauled over the coals for letting a 14 year old have a 9mm.. what was she thinking??? :mad: But the media have once again, blown this waaay out of proportion. Scaring people seems to be the rage these days with the mainstream media. :mad:

(My attitude towards guns is, "after 100s of years of gun culture, there are 10s of millions of them out there, and they are not going away. The Constitution gives us the right to have them, so let us deal with it in the most practical way possible, ie promote gun safety/education, and make sure they stay out of the hands of people with a record of violent crime/gangbangers etc.,.. just my 2c).

[@_@ Artman]

I just checked all the MSM news sites. This is on every front page of them all (MSNBC has a healthcare issue as lead story, but the link to the story is there on the front page). With the headline; "Planned 'Columbine-Style' Attack Averted"

BUT

FoxNews...?

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/101107_arsenal01.jpg

:rolleyes: ...sigh...this is not how I'd want Plymouth Meeting to be viewed...this ain't Kansas anymore Dorothy.

[Jubelum]

:rolleyes: ...sigh...this is not how I'd want Plymouth Meeting to be viewed...this ain't Kansas anymore Dorothy.

Yea, the kind of place where kids are mentally disturbed and amassing air guns. :no:

[iPoster]

...the MSM is going all Michael Moore (blown out of proportion and selectively chosen info) on this now. :mad:

Now the 9mm pistol is an 'assault rifle'. :rolleyes::no:

From AP:

PHILADELPHIA - A home-schooled teenager who felt bullied amassed a cache of guns, knives and explosive devices and tried to recruit another boy for a possible school attack, authorities said Thursday.

The weapons included a 9 mm assault rifle that the teenager's mother had recently bought for him, Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce L. Castor Jr. said. Prosecutors are reviewing her actions.

...

The search did not turn up any ammunition for the most dangerous firearm in the bunch, the assault rifle.

So one pistol is a 'cache', and airsoft weapons are 'firearms' now??

I know reporters are often fast and loose with the facts, but this is just irresponsible. No, I don't think people should be allowed to own true assault weapons, but at least get the facts right. :\

[sandau]

this makes me want to puke. cnn is such a sensationalistic "news" source. yuck.

send them a comment:

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?35

[Jubelum]

when some people, rounded up in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, were disallowed from being questioned by the FBI because such might be "violating their 2nd amendment rights"... on the orders of former Attorney General Ashcroft (!!??!!). How come this administration OKs torturing people (who haven't been proven guilty of anything), but expresses concern about their right to have weapons... :grumble:


I missed that one... links?

[Jubelum]

we have this 1800s Wild West attitude about guns.

That is not entirely true. Shall I cover the gun control laws that have been put in place since 1900?
Tell me more about this "wiild west attitude" as you perceive it. I'm not trying to pick a fight, I really want to hear your perspectives...

[@_@ Artman]

That is not entirely true. Shall I cover the gun control laws that have been put in place since 1900?
Tell me more about this "wiild west attitude" as you perceive it. I'm not trying to pick a fight, I really want to hear your perspectives...

A Brief History of the United States of America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPBHtjZmSpw)

:smokey:

[Jubelum]

A Brief History of the United States of America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPBHtjZmSpw)

:smokey:

So NRA=KKK. Discussion over. No need to go any further. :grumble:

But hey, what else should I expect from that hack of a sensationalist liar.

[@_@ Artman]

So NRA=KKK. Discussion over. No need to go any further. :grumble:

But hey, what else should I expect from that hack of a sensationalist liar.

Actually Moore had nothing to do with the creation of that cartoon.

It was

http://www.jonesreport.com/images/111006_parker_stone.jpg

:smokey:

[screener]

So NRA=KKK. Discussion over. No need to go any further. :grumble:

But hey, what else should I expect from that hack of a sensationalist liar.

I find your indignation against the MSM fascinating, seeing as you continue to spread fud in regards to the Chilean Sea Bass crap in red.
So typical of the willfully ignorant.
That it plays to.

In response to CNN and sensationalism, the kid was turned in by the friend he tried to recruit.

I suppose CNN should have glossed over the number of "Non Lethal" weapons this kid amassed.
I suppose they instigated the news conference.

C'mon, it was a story, at the least, it might get parents interested in their kids and what they're up to.

[Jubelum]

I find your indignation against the MSM fascinating, seeing as you continue to spread fud in regards to the Chilean Sea Bass crap in red.

And there shall it ever be, as a memorial to you and Al Gore chomping down on endangered fish. You seem to be the only one who cares. At all. Not even I care. :D

In response to CNN and sensationalism, the kid was turned in by the friend he tried to recruit.

I suppose CNN should have glossed over the number of "Non Lethal" weapons this kid amassed.
I suppose they instigated the news conference.

C'mon, it was a story, at the least, it might get parents interested in their kids and what they're up to.

What does the sensationalism have to do with who turned him in? Non-sequitur, line 1.

It cracks me up that you, for obvious reasons, talk about "amassing weapons." THESE ARE NOT WEAPONS. Einstein in a paisley bathrobe, are you really this ignorant, or do you just buy into what the gun-haters are selling?

CNN took the story, a non-story created by the DA, and ran with it. Just like Fox News. Just like every other pathetic lair of a news agency that waits until 2/3 of the way through the story to let it slip that these are NOT FIREARMS, and that the whole silly display was mostly illegally-altered TOYS. This is a great example of the symbiotic relationship between "news-making" government officials with agendas, and their willing accomplices in the media who carry water for them.

If you do not get what is really going on here, then I cannot help you at all.

If you want to get parents to pay attention to their kids, then do that- it is not necessary to make up and propagate lie after lie about firearms and kids.

[Jubelum]

http://www.jonesreport.com/images/111006_parker_stone.jpg


Don't get me wrong, I love South Park... and generally these two. I just think that the innuendo concerning the KKK is a little over the top. It demonstrates a lack of understanding re: history and the NRA.

[@_@ Artman]

Don't get me wrong, I love South Park... and generally these two. I just think that the innuendo concerning the KKK is a little over the top. It demonstrates a lack of understanding re: history and the NRA.


Dude, KKK was brought down in 1871 (http://www.answers.com/topic/section-1983?cat=biz-fin). The NRA started in 1871 (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FAQs/Default.aspx?Section=31). Coincidence? Of course not. :rolleyes: ;)

[screener]

And there shall it ever be, as a memorial to you and Al Gore chomping down on endangered fish. You seem to be the only one who cares. At all. Not even I care. :D
.

And there you are, Propagating the lie, you should be proud of keeping it alive among the uninformed.

Long live the lie, F____ the truth.

[Jubelum]

Dude, KKK was brought down in 1871 (http://www.answers.com/topic/section-1983?cat=biz-fin). The NRA started in 1871 (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FAQs/Default.aspx?Section=31). Coincidence? Of course not. :rolleyes: ;)

Bush was born the year that breathalyzer what invented. Coincidence? Of course not. :no:

[@_@ Artman]

Bush Sr. declares a New World Order (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8259800846851144110) ("...and we will be...") on 9-11-90? Coincidence? I think not. :no:

Wheee this is fun! :D