What fixes/additions would you most like to see in OS 10.2?

[cdhostage]

Topic says it all. I'm not that familiar with OS X, but this topic has not yet been started, so here it is.

[Sinewave]

I think the Finder should be Dock aware.

[Logan Cale]

• Option-Double Click to have Windowshade
• Spring-loaded folders!
• Real Theme support
• A bunch of other stuff I can't remember but they were really good ideas.

[ColorClassicG4]

USB Printer Sharing.

That's the *only* thing missing for me. I'm even satisfied with the speed.

[Belle]

Multi-session burning.

[ColorClassicG4]

Oh, and the Font/DA Mover.

[kaboom]

- Labels
- Spring Loaded Folders
- Fix Column view. The Column that you are on should be completely in view. When you click on a column that is partially hidden, it doesn't slide into full view. If you arrow through, however, it does. Inconsistency. I hate it. Also, the default behavior of the resize tab in column view should be to resize ONE column, not all. Option-clicking should resize all.
- Make the "pinning" for the dock an option. Hacking it is not acceptable!
- Option for small/sizeable icons in the Finder toolbar.
- Windowshade option. Minimizing to the dock is fine but I want the option to window shade as well. (Yes, I have bought windowshade x but that doesn't excuse apple from leaving it out.)
- Fix the List view. Put the shading of columns back. Option clicking on triangles doesn't open all subfolders.
- Italicize alias names. The alias arrow is all but invisible in column view. Also, it's easier to distinguish aliases with italicized names.

Just gimmie a little while, I think of some more.

[Sinewave]

Windowshade probably wont ever get implemented.

[Strider]

Spring loaded folders and usb printer sharing.

Strider

[owenc]

[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
<strong>Windowshade probably wont ever get implemented.</strong><hr></blockquote>

WindowShade when the Dock is hidden seems like a good compromise...

[Sinewave]

[quote]Originally posted by owenc:
<strong>

WindowShade when the Dock is hidden seems like a good compromise...</strong><hr></blockquote>

But you forget Steve doesn't compromise. ;)

[Logan Cale]

No, I want an option key trigger or something. Seriously, how hard would that be?

[gordy]

Scheduled wakeup and sleep

[King Chung Huang]

Option to auto-hide dock when in Classic applications (like the way iMovie does it).

[Moogs]

Spring-loaded folders are coming...aside from that, Labels and additional Finder Toolbar icons would be nice (delete, dupilicate, a real find function, etc.).

[Scott_H]

fscking Rage Pro drivers!

[Chicken Tastes Good]

An option (to set a default) to have every finder window that always opens in a specific view [column] with the window a specific size [rather wide] and a specific column width.

I hate opening new finder windows, or switching from icon to column view and having these skinny columns and a small window that barely shows two columns. Maybe it should be something like:

Default view: column
Default column width: 100
Default visible columns: 3

Small item that would increase productivity through consistency.

And I don't quite enjoy minimizing windows to the dock, and I'm not a big fan of windowshade. (And I can't suggest an alternative)... The perfect solution has not been found in my mind.

I would also like a way for things downloaded to the "Desktop" NOT to appear on the desktop but still to reside in the desktop folder. Perhaps I can change where IE and Omniweb deposit their downloads. I want to see drives on the desktop, but not the assortment of downloads that clutter the desktop.

And I don't think I like how in 10.1.1 all the desktop icons slide to the left by a large margin when I have the Dock on the right...

[Chicken Tastes Good]

oh, and rage pro drivers

[corvette]

Ability to uuse all smartmedia adapters.

And a theme panel.

[chromos]

-Finder Labels
-fix navigation behavior using arrow keys in Open/Save dialogs
-make the columns in the first Finder window actually be the size you've set them
-fix 'Keep Arranged By' behavior on desktop
-make every Finder window be the 'Global' setting by default, unless you've changed it to something else (not the other way 'round, as it is now)
-addendum: once you've changed a Finder window to something else, make it remember that setting!
UGH, some of these things just seem so obvious...

[Brad]

*Working* classic window buffering fix this bug (Cocoa apps):
http://homepage.mac.com/starfleet/.Pictures/WindowWidgetProblem001.gif and fix this bug (Carbon apps):
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/starfleet/.Movies/WidgetBugCarbon001.mov" target="_blank">32 KB movie clip</a> (yes, 32 kilobytes) redesign the standard open/save dialogs so they are actually usable and don't glitch out with a keyboard (bring back Navigation Services?) thread Sherlock so you can stop searches without having to force-quit the app QuickTime... ugh... 'nuf said. improve Finder's network code ability to close windows minimized in the dock bring the terminal back up to 10.0.x speeds (WTF happened?) improved text-to-speech (low priority) faster/improved "help" system replace the pax format in the installer packages with tar or some other type "smart" icon names color in the finder (if in a dark Finder window, make names a lighter color so they are visible) grey out the "back" in the Finder toolbar when you can't go back (it's already disabled, but there's no visual cue!) sound input options in Sys Prefs abitlity to disable specific monitor resolutions/refresh rates in Sys Prefs (some apps don't play nice with the monitor when changing the screen res) more info when emptying the trash (again, WTF?) fix the "invisible bar cursor" when editing names in the Finder and when typing in other certain apps more contexual menu support unify/clean up the HIToolbox for cyring out loud! much less reliance on file name extensions!! ARRGG!! tix the "resetting clock" bug that was introduced with 10.1 to SCSI users (may be fixed in 10.1.1 but I haven't gotten that yet-- long story) and, of course, a 64-bit clean version for the G5 ;)

:mad: <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

By the way, I do not support Apple including the ability to "theme" Mac OS X. This should be left to the hackers and experienced users. We all know themes were axed from 8.5 for two very good reasons: brand recognition and tech support. I do, however, wish Apple would fix the obviously very inefficient HIToolbox framework so Carbon and Cocoa apps share the same resources. One last time everybody... WTF? ;)

[edit] I keep adding stuff!!

[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: starfleetX ]

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[Brad]

[quote]Originally posted by ColorClassicG4:
<strong>Oh, and the Font/DA Mover.</strong><hr></blockquote>
:D :D I can't believe I'm so old that I actually know what you're talking about!! I bet none of these newbies have a clue...

[Amorph]

Still better USB and FW support: Bus scanning, and the ability to wake up from sleep just long enough to acknowledge a plug or unplug.

More speed. There are signs of just how fast OS X can fly: If Think Secret is correct, FCP 2 won't need the services of the $999 RTMac PCI card, because it can do real-time video editing in software. :eek:

Rage Pro support.

I like the idea of the Dock autohiding when a Classic app is in the foreground.

Finder still needs lots of polishing to get rid of inconsistent and unintuitive behavior. Networking needs to be optimized. Filesystem is fast, but it can be faster.

Hardware acceleration for Quartz (I don't expect that to appear until 10.5 or even 11, but I can dream).

Mirror every app's Window menu in the Dock, and allow the user to select a window and have that one come to the foreground.

Allow drag and drop to navigate the menus of Docked folders.

Implement something like spring-loaded folders, if only in column view (analogous to the drag-and-drop functionality above).

Make the navigation widget in the Open/Save dialogs a mini-Finder, with the same functionality as the full-blown Finder windows. Nothing is more confusing than two column view that look the same but behave differently.

Finish integrating SMB so that it really is transparent.

Ship OS X with a goddamn user's manual already. The dead tree variety.

Finish AirPort apps - I don't know first-hand, but I have heard, that the AirPort Setup Assistant is still iffy under 10.1, and the Software Base Station functionality is missing. Apple can just put a GUI front end on gNAT if they don't want to spend too much manpower on porting SBS.

&lt;dream&gt;Disable WEP security by default, and give Base Stations (hardware and software) the ability to encrypt wireless communications with SSL. Enable that by default.&lt;/dream&gt;

&lt;dream&gt;With the frameworks in place, and a highly dynamic OS nicely refined, work on a component architecture. It can be retrofitted onto older apps via categories. Then, say, make a DVD component so that it can be embedded in a web page.&lt;/dream&gt;

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[Xool]

[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>
:D :D I can't believe I'm so old that I actually know what you're talking about!! I bet none of these newbies have a clue...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Font/DA mover lives in the same class as CrystalQuest, SoundMaster, and the Oscar extension...

I demand OSCAR for OS X!

[crawlingparanoia]

In no particular order:

1)Double-clicking the title bar should windowshade, clicking the yellow widget should minimize. These are two different actions, both of which are useful for different reasons.
2)Spring-loaded folders
3)Fix the column view as kaboom suggested
4)Labels
5)Bring shading back to the list view
6)Italicize alias names
7)Carbon apps should recognize the Dock. This is so fscking annoying... when the dock fills the screen, clicking the green widget in IE... oh the horror
8)When switching apps by clicking a window in the background, all windows from that app should move to the foreground, not just the window you clicked on.
9)Energy Saver - Mac OS X needs to be able to auto-start and auto-shutdown.
10)Graphical implementation of Windows Networking (i.e. through the Finder)

[Brad]

[quote]I demand OSCAR for OS X<hr></blockquote>
"I love it because it's trash..."
"Oh I looooove trash!"

:snif: It brings a tear to me eye.

But back to the subject at hand, I've thought of some further possible additions.
fix iTunes to use standard widgets a customizable Apple menu-- not like the Classic Apple menu, though. Customizable for System Prefernces. For example, why the heck are Dock and Location options in the Apple menu? I never use them and I suspect that not many people do. Of course, there could be some overlap here between Apple items and *.menu things like the sound and monitors. I'll make a mockup of what I'm trying to describe. remove the debug code :cool: fix the clock "menu" back so that it shows the date when you click it rather than bringing up that rediculous menu each time (yes, I know the date is in the menu). You might be surprised how often I click that thing for the date-- days and weeks often seem to mesh together for me. Ditto on the OSX forest-clearing paper manual. make standard cmd-shift-H for Hide Others (like OmniWeb) do my laundry include some prettier alert sounds... these are rather old. How about a nice aqua "drip", "swish", "ripple" , or "splash" sound? No, the old System 7 "drip" doesn't count! ;) fix this bug with (PC) DOS formatted Zip disks: sometimes when the disk is inserted I get a message saying it's an unreadable format. By simply ejecting and reinsterting the disk, it works fine. fix sleep for SCSI users... please!! OS9 sleeps a-okay. :( give user a gui option to set the format of screenshots (it can be set in Terminal by changing NSDomain defaults) labels? include a global tool (in Sys Prefs?) that lists all file extension associations and can change them include an extended "CPU monitor" or "Process viewer" type app (GUI, not command line :rolleyes: ) that can monitor stats over a period of time (Windows 9x's "System Monitor" comes to mind) assign cmd-` to "next window" in the Finder, damnit! fix Preview to recognize the arrows keys to scroll the window content allow QuickTime Player to change the screen to 640x480 when you "Present Movie" give QuickTime Player the option to use the "standard" (although far more advanced) movie controls. :mad: when you tell the finder to show extensions, show all extensions including .app! fix the OS and apps so they actually work with Full Keyboard Access

okay, that's enough for now I think. :)

[Sinewave]

Get rid of the stripes.

[NoahJ]

Tear off menus.

And Oscar!

[Brad]

Tear off menus (ala. DP1, 2, and Server 1.x) would be a nice addition, but I'm afraid they would be too big now that Aqua has giganticized the fonts. Ahh there's another request:
System-wide font management like TinkerTool

and to continue from my lists above...
Give TextEdit the speech options that were in SimpleText (yes, I know you can control-click a selection to speak it, but I doubt most people do) fix that ugly text in iMovie so the exported video looks as good as the preview. allow screenshots of DVDs fix the "About Thus Mac" box so it shows the serial number. It worked in the pre-GM 10.1 builds... why not in the final? allow control-click in the Finder toolbar add an "up" button to the Finder toolbar to go up a level in the hierarchy fix the timing on Finder file renaming when you click on the name... in X you have to select the icon and then click the name again. In OS9 you can simply click the name. include a basic defragger/optimizer context-menu for Change Desktop Background like in OS9 fix the resize widget in Finder windows to actually fit the content in icon mode when the window is set to "Keep arranged by" don't recognize clicks in the volume overlay

[ColorClassicG4]

[quote]<strong> fix the "About Thus Mac" box so it shows the serial number. It worked in the pre-GM 10.1 builds... why not in the final?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, it does... click on the version number to show the build number; click again to show the serial number.

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[spooky]

- Speed it up in all areas dramatically - OS X 10.1 is ok but that's not what Steve has been telling us it would be. (kinda reminds me of all the PPC promises)
- hide Unix even further. I've often been told that "you don't have to use Unix if you don't want to" but even if you don't want to you still end up in the terminal now and again to empty the damn trash or change priveliges etc.
- Damn those file extensions to hell
- get on the phone to adobe, macromedia et al and get them to deliver the software
- windowshade
- get rid of all cryptic file names anywhere on the drive
- Quicktime that works rather than feeling like Quicktime 2 on a PC
- Bring back Hot Sauce!!

. . . Oh cr*p, I've just woken up

[Sinewave]

[quote]Originally posted by spooky:
<strong>
- Bring back Hot Sauce!!
</strong><hr></blockquote>


OMG! I thought I was the only one that remembered Hot Sauce! What ever happened to that?

[Amorph]

[quote]- get rid of all cryptic file names anywhere on the drive<hr></blockquote>

... and there goes any hope of UNIX compatibility. Sorry, that stuff stays. Apple's done a pretty good job of keeping it under the covers, but there's room for improvement.

[quote]- Bring back Hot Sauce!!<hr></blockquote>

Ahhh, another great, orphaned Apple technology. I remember when Apple was hyping that. I even made my (crappy) web page Hot Sauce ready and posted the little graphic advertizing that fact.

Another cool idea with no place to go. :( 3D interfaces in general have not taken. I wonder how well the technology would work with the Web as it is now.

[pscates]

1. Spring-loaded folders, for digging deep down.

2. Separate iSub volume control in the Sound preference panel, like the Sound Control panel in OS 9.x

[Brad]

[quote]Originally posted by ColorClassicG4:
<strong>Actually, it does... click on the version number to show the build number; click again to show the serial number.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, it doesn't.

"Version 10.1.1"
"Build 5M28"
"Serial Number "

It's just blank, and I know I'm not the only one because I've read others with this issue.

[Ender]

Wow. Lots of excellent suggestions here. I hope Apple looks at threads like these to get some feedback from its most hardcore users.

I feel most strongly about the windowshade and I agree that the yellow '-' widget should minimize to the dock and a double click on the title bar should windowshade.

One thing that was mentioned in passing is dock recognition when using the '+' widget. ALL apps need to not put their windows beyond the dock, wherever the dock is located. It is a real pain in the neck to get your window back...

... which leads to my next suggestion: the ability to grab a window on any side was one of the best innovations of OS 8. Sometimes one of my windows opens off the top of the screen (download manager in IE 5.1, for one) and I cannot get it back. I need a place to grab the window on every side.

I do really like that OS X won't let you move windows through the menubar, however I think that should also be applied to 2nd and 3rd monitors so that you cannot move windows off the top of the monitor (no menubar though, so use the first row of pixels as the highest point).

Allow for folders to be put in the finder toolbar. Going to the favorites and then to a folder and then to a file is too much work.

Um, I can't remember exactly what my problem was with favorites, but it was something about not being able to have aliases or programs or something in the favorites. I've been stuck in 9 for a week and CRS must be setting in ;)

Nitpick: I don't like the heart icon for favorites.

Add support for 802.3 TCP/IP headers. Some routers (especially wireless), etc. aren't compatible with the new ones.

I'm sure there are other things, but as I said I've been away from X for too long. D@mn Adobe for not bringing us Photoshop/ImageReady sooner! And Baldur's Gate II performance suxors in X (I'm on a G4 500 DP with loads of RAM/HD performance). Gotta love the free dev tools though. Java 2 rocks!

-Ender

[MemeTransport]

* fix the clock "menu" back so that it shows the date when you click it rather than bringing up that rediculous menu each time (yes, I know the date is in the menu). You might be surprised how often I click that thing for the date-- days and weeks often seem to mesh together for me.


* I'm inclined to go the other way. I want the calendar that's shown by the preference panel to show up in the clock drop-menu. Even better would be if we could look "forward" or "back" with scroll buttons.

* A font menu that displays a selected word (or a default word) in the font the curser is hovering over. The display would appear beside the menu. I used to use a Windows machine that did this (is it standard?) and I really liked it (blasphemy I know).

* Allow Flash and SVG movies as desktop backgrounds. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

* Find out what happened to that ultra cool tile matching game that used to run on NeXTSTEP and bring it back as a goody. Beats the cruft out of solitaire!

* include a universal dictionary that any app can use. It should allow user dictionaries. It should be defined in XML so other companies/groups can create specialist dictionaries. It should also link in to any one of several online dictionaries--which include definitions. Apple could even start their own server via iTools. If it was multilingual with an easy interface they would have a big win in academic/world markets.
* a good XML browser/interpreter included with every system install.

* a port of Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) and especially the SWT libraries for making interfaces with Java.

* a basic media organiser, similar to Portfolio but more basic.

[chromos]

What a great thread. I've thought of some more:

- be able to copy text clipping contents
- when Mail needs your attention (like it can't connect to a mailhost), it SHOULD NOT bring itself to the front!! I don't know how many times my work has been rudely interrupted by this nasty behavior.
- faster WebDAV for iSnail, I mean iDisk.
- text should be selectable in Help Viewer pages.

[Brad]

[quote]* I'm inclined to go the other way. I want the calendar that's shown by the preference panel to show up in the clock drop-menu. Even better would be if we could look "forward" or "back" with scroll buttons.<hr></blockquote>Well, that would definitely be favorable to what we've got now.

[quote]* include a universal dictionary that any app can use.<hr></blockquote>It's already there! TextEdit uses it, OmniWeb uses it, any program can use it (assuming it's coded to). Okay, it's more of a word bank than a dictionary, but it is there. The problem, however, is that there doesn't appear to be support for separate difctionary files... in fact, I still can't figure out where the words are stored.

[akalbay]

1-command tab thru open files in the dock, not just apps
2-Mail.app dock icon show new message for any mailbox
3-modem sound for DUSB iBook

[eVo]

- Option to minimize every open window to the dock for quick access to the entire desktop

- Grey list backgrounds separated with white lines (it's easier on the eyes)

- On the dock, application name should be above the window's title when mousing over minimized windows

- Maxmize button should never, ever put the bottom edge of a window behind the dock

- Aqua buttons should be a little flatter looking, not complete gelcaps

- Put the ... of long file names at the end of the filename, not the middle

[Sinewave]

Did someone mention labels yet? :)

How about fixing all the GUI bugs. That would make me happy.

[Bothan]

Some may say this isn't very "Mac-like" but I'd like to see a way to make windows zoom to full screen. Perhaps an Alt-click of the zoom button. It would replace the menu bar with the title bar of the zoomed window (conveniently the same shape) and it would auto-hide the dock. Clicking the zoom button again would return the window to it's previous state. I'd like to see a web browser do this.

[ 11-17-2001: Message edited by: Bothan ]</p>

[AppleMaster]

•*Give the user the OPTION of having a classic-style Apple menu.

•*Give the user the OPTION to turn the dock off.

• Give the user the OPTION of putting the trash on the desktop.

• Speed up the Finder even more, make it more responsive, and have it refresh contents quicker.

• Bring back encryption

• Speed up classic startup

• Allow the user to change system font sizes/font.

[Sinewave]

I doubt there will be a way to turn the dock off, And the Classic menu will probably be up to 3rd part developers.

[SYN]

Multiple Desktops!!! With a Dock per desktop implementation.

Tear-Off menus would be good. This was a great feature of NEXTSTEP.

Spring-loaded folders

Bring soft-updates to HFS+, and take advantage of its extensible attributes as well as its database like structure. Labels were one implementation, bring them back, but much more powerful than ever before.

Major overhaul to Sherlock. File searches should be instant, as in BeOS. Indexing on the fly. Sherlock in OSX is IMHO an insult to the idea behind it in Copland

Make the Finder more responsive. Thread it more, whatever, but fix the spinning cursor.

Allow log outs that don't quit your apps, ala WinXP

Allow seperate restarts of system components, such as networking, Quartz etc.

[Brad]

[quote]Originally posted by Bothan:
<strong>Some may say this isn't very "Mac-like" but I'd like to see a way to make windows zoom to full screen.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, that's been available in Mac OS 8.x-9.x, maybe even earlier than that. If an app was written correctly, option-clicking the maximize button filled the screen. It even worked in the old Finder. Sadly, a lot of OS X apps no longer have this behavior. In OmniWeb, you can shift-click the max button to fill the screen.

[Ender]

I would like to see something (Apple or 3rd Party) that allows a user to duplicate the dock and put another copy somewhere else. Most of you are thinking "WTF?", but it would be incredibly useful for those of us with 2 or more large monitors.

I keep my dock on the right side of my right monitor, and it's a long way to go from the left monitor (where my web browser and FTP stuff resides) to the dock. I would like another dock on the left side of my left monitor that mirrored the other.

Maybe I'm way out there, but it seems useful.

-Ender

[imacFP]

Faster overall (10.1 is great but we all know it can be faster)
Faster and Smarter finder
When toolbar icons, other than Home, are pressed only show that folder in column view.
When you press the clock icon (if you use that) have the clock.app appear in place of the menu.

[MarcUK]

I would like

OPTION to turn off Transparency
OTTION to turn off Shadows
OPTION to turn off the dock, which invokes windowshade.
OPTION to have a hotkey to kill/show dock and dock the dock into the right hand of the menubar

OPTION to add Applications to the Applemenu
OPTION to Have an updated Classic theme
OPTION to have trash on the desktop

Spring loaded folder, tabbed windows, etc.

Basically give me OS9 in the Unix framework.

[4fx]

Believe it or not, but the find within a find is the most compelling feature of XP for me. They should definately impliment this is Sherlock.

Also, as far as loging into different users

- Users should be able to have EVERYTHING different, this includes icon sizes, and ALL preferences including application prefs, XP does this X should too!!!
- XPs ablitity to login to multiple users at the same time is actually a useful feature, Apple should follow suit
- Faster login to account

Dont know if this got fixed in 10.1, but Sherlock and System Prefs should quit when their windows are closed. Sherlock did in 9 but not it X.(I wrote Apple about this)

And of course faster is always nicer ;)

[rrabu]

- The multi-user log in that were previously mentionned (ala XP)
- Ability to log out saving the state. Next time you log in (even after a shutdown) all apps would be back to how they were.
- Windowshade when double-clicking is sooo needed.
- Commanb-tab should not cycle in order from left to right in the dock!!! It really should go from topmost to bottom-most window (after all, they are all stacked so the OS does know the order they are in for drawing). I'm thinking something like liteswitch for classic MacOS but at the window level rather than simply the "application level". (Of course, this could be set via a preference...)
- Window views, screen-resolution, sound, icon-positions, etc. should all be stored per-user.
- Defaults for non-admin users needs tweaking. Such things as software update for example, should be set to never update by default. Annoying for other users to have to dismiss software update telling them there is new software (since they don't have the admin password anyway to install it). Also annoying to have to go set this each time you set up an account on the machine.
- The "dock appears on more than one side" idea is a great one. Expecially for multiple monitors.
- Windows should be draggable from any side.
- More than one resize box. I actually like how I can resize a window from any edge in Windows.

[bradbower]

Rage Pro support
Labels
Ability to put Trash on the desktop
Spring loaded folders
Adding the "cut" ability to that of being able to "copy" files via keyboard commands in the finder
Adjustable icon sizes in the finder toolbar
Cursor change on window edges that allows you to resize a window from any edge (a la Windows)
No more dumb Application menus (I doubt this would happen, but I just don't like them).
More games (dinky stuff, like Solitaire, maybe Pac Man or something--Apple's got connections, they could license something fun. and when are Carbon versions of Nanosaur and that bug game coming? those were kinda cool!)

[MacWorld]

1- Put an option in the System Preferences to give the user more configurations options. New options would be like my #2, 3 and 4. This would be a great feature to get Linux users coming on Macintosh and allow advanced user not to get stuck on restrictions.

2- There should be an option in the Login screen to restart on os 9 WITHOUT having to log on a user. A admin name and password would need to be entered.

3- Have the possibility of having 2 rows of file browsing on the same windows on the Finder's browser when in Columns mode. This would make file copying, moving or drag'n'drop (ie with Stuffit expander) much easyer.

4- To be able of using Root commands when logged with a admin account while providing the super-user's password like in command line using the command "su". This would allow System Administrators to do stuff like deleting file with wrong Privileges set by mistake.

5- Give the option to logged user of locking their station (like in WinBlows NT) even if their screen saver is set not to ask a password. Would be great for educational and comercial market. It can find it's usefulness for personnal use too.

6- Be able to log as root easyer (I never found how to)

[Brad]

[quote]Originally posted by MacWorld:
<strong>6- Be able to log as root easyer (I never found how to)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Now that must be the dumbest request I've seen. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> There is no reason you need to run as root!!! Apple has good reason for having root disabled by default. If you always have root privs, the added security of OSX is worthless.

Here is how you enable root. It's really very simple:

1. open NetInfo Manager.
2. go to menu Domian-&gt;Security-&gt;Authenticate...
3. go to menu Domain-&gt;Security-&gt;Enable Root User

Done. :rolleyes:

[ 11-20-2001: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>

[bradbower]

MacWorld: What is the point of #3? Why do you want multiple windows, in one window? Why can't you just open another window, it would be almost exactly the same besides it being in a different window, and being less confusing.

starfleetX: I've found a few reasons for logging in as root. For example, my mom uses another one of the Macs in the house, and I added a separate user on the machine for myself, so there are two users--her and I, both admins. Once I logged in as myself and moved a file in the root directory of the startup volume (/), and then logged out, and even though she is an admin and it was a pretty much public space which the file was moved into, she couldn't move it. I was too lazy to guess at the password, and I didn't want to tell her anyway, so I told her to log out, and log in as root with her same password (I had enabled root log in via NetInfo Manager long before), and then delete it, which she did. Strange situation, but it was helpful. This seems to be the case, even if you're an admin, that you can't mess with any other users' home directory, even if they are deleted, you have to log in as root, via actually logging in, or su root, to do so.

[Morte]

Agreed on the softupdates, but is it possible to do in HFS+? At the very least, OS X's implementation of UFS needs softupdates and partitioning that doesn't require wiping the whole bloody drive.

Hmm....the Finder needs to have its preview function in a drawer, available to every view. Column view would be much more usable if one didn't have to click on a file, wait for it to slide to the left, and the double click on the file to open it.

Apple needs to give Thursby two middle fingers and implement SMB share browsing in the bloody Finder.

Ditching pax for dpkg, APT, and apt-get would be nice. Imagine, package management that won't blow up your computer.

Encryption features in Mail and in iTools.

Beef Carbon. None of the major players, including Apple themselves, are going to port their apps to Cocoa anytime soon, so give Carbon access to Services. Then Services might actually be a worthwhile feature.

A new theme called Obsidian. Ditch the candy and the stripes and gimmie sexy glossy hard bloody black.

Fix the damnable dial-up bug of doom.

Give Preview some basic image editing features, such as cropping, text entry, optimization, and so on.

Sloppy focus, for god's sake.

[ZO]

support for:
-Arabic
-Hebrew
-Cyrillic


and other languages... both as default fonts as well as OS.

Hopefully for 10.2 or next retail release

[neutrino23]

1. Spring loaded folders
2. Popup windows
3. Command-N should create a new folder, option-command-N can create a new finder window.
4. USB printer sharing - quickly.
5. Scheduled wakeup and sleep as in OS 9 or better.
6. Option to require password after waking from sleep
7. Column view should behave like Action Files in OS 9.
8. New Dock option - Dock slides down vertically from top right side of screen, names are attached to all icons.
9. Add ability to read VCD disks.
10. Fix the use of Type and Creator codes. Abandon those devil-spawned file extensions.
11. Optionally put the trash on the desktop.

I know some of these are available with shareware programs but they should be available on any Mac I walk up to without my having to install third party software.

[Pegges]

[quote]Originally posted by neutrino23:
<strong>
3. Command-N should create a new folder, option-command-N can create a new finder window.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
How many times a day do you create a folder versus spawn a new Finder window? I say use the easiest shortcut for the most commonly used actions, i e the latter.

[ 11-25-2001: Message edited by: Pegges ]</p>

[Fluffy]

[quote]Originally posted by Pegges:
<strong>
How many times a day do you create a folder versus spawn a new Finder window? I say use the easiest shortcut for the most commonly used actions, i e the latter.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have never spawned a new Finder window. Ever. However, I agree that "New Window" needs to remain cmd-N, if for no other reason then every other app uses cmd-N to create a new window. Consistency.

[neutrino23]

[quote]Originally posted by Pegges:
<strong>
How many times a day do you create a folder versus spawn a new Finder window? I say use the easiest shortcut for the most commonly used actions, i e the latter.

[ 11-25-2001: Message edited by: Pegges ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Only by accident when trying to create a new folder.

Here is my technique for creating new folders:
1. Press cmnd-N
(If I am running OS 9, 8, 7, 6,... then stop here.)
2. Stare dumbly at the screen searching for my new folder.
3. Slap forehead when I realize my error.
4. Close the window
5. Make the new folder with shift-cmnd-N

[eobiont]

I agree with being able to cut and paste files in addition to copy files in the finder. This is one of the things I always liked better about Windows. Could Apple also implement it throughout the finder and not just in icon view? I can right click when viewing in icon view but not in columns?

QuickTime crashes like the dickens.

[dhunter]

Nextstep/OpenStep style menus on the left hand side of the screen - Perfeect for Photoshop and other graphics apps. Also having a doc that is like Linux/Openstep.

[curmi]

1) File extensions!! My god, what have you done Apple. Don't get rid of them, but don't rely on them for everything either (feels like I'm using Windows)

2) Logout without closing apps (ala XP). The only thing Windows has ever done right.

3) A dictionary that actually has non-US-English in it (ie British/Australian). Apple - you have customers outside of the US and Japan you know.

[steve666]

Get rid of the colored widgets and bring back icons for enlarging, closing the window, minimizing to the dock, AND bring back windowshade. The green, yellow, red, and white buttons are completely unintuitive and very unlike Apple. This is my largest complaint about OSX.

Secondly, make the dock an option. Do this by putting favorites back in the Apple Menu (where it can be seen while in other applications), being able to move the trash back to the desktop, putting the old finder back on the top right corner, and bringing back windowshade.
Apple can call it the Classic Finder or something like that for those who don't like the Dock.

The menus on top could use some tweaking but getting rid of the colored widgets, bringing back windowshade, and making the Dock an option are my three biggest wishes and would make me one happy camper............................................ .............

[fantastic happy dinner man]

I'd like OS X to install the language kit stuff. As it is, unless you've installed the language script you want via OS 9, they're not there in OS X

[NeoMac]

My pet peeve is the 'graphical' multi-user and file permission system of OSX.

-- We need a simpler/friendlier way than NetInfo to manage groups. A 'groups' panel in System Prefs would be nice.

-- We need authenticated dialogs, like 'Saves' and 'Deletes'. This way, if it says we don't have permission to do something, it will prompt us to authenticate for admin authority

-- the File Info panel needs to have a 'groups' field that can be edited directly or changed via a pull down list of groups

OS 10.1 is 'okay', but the system still has a long way to go before it becomes the greased-lightning GUI that OS9 is. I figure OSX will be ready by rev 10.3, 10.4.
:)

[SDW2001]

Fonts, windowshading, bringing back 10 year old options, WTF. How about---

1) Fixing the hidden dock bug that onlt brings the dock up about an eighth of an inch when the pointer is moved over it....occurs 1 out of maybe 10 times.

2) Energy Saver....how about some of the old options like the ability to control processor cycling....maybe we could even have three different cycling options to choose from.

3) I for one actually like the dock. It functions as does the windows start bar, which is the only feature I felt the MacOS was lacking compared to windows. I also like the windows minimization. I would suggest (as I have read) that all running apps are grouped together and the active one has a blue arrow under it.

Again though I think OSX is a triumph.

[kaboom]

Shade the current application icon in the dock.
That stupid blue triangle is way too small.

[ZO]

[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>
Now that must be the dumbest request I've seen. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> There is no reason you need to run as root!!! Apple has good reason for having root disabled by default. If you always have root privs, the added security of OSX is worthless.

Here is how you enable root. It's really very simple:

1. open NetInfo Manager.
2. go to menu Domian-&gt;Security-&gt;Authenticate...
3. go to menu Domain-&gt;Security-&gt;Enable Root User

Done. :rolleyes:

[ 11-20-2001: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

This ranks up with Windows usability. This is the most illogical crap I have ever had to endure. Sure, you dont want to make it easy for joe-shmo to enable root... but who in the right minds would think of NetInfo fer chrissake???

Its these kinds of qwirks that piss me off about OS X.

While in the requets mood: Easier way to move the swap disk.

[I think, therefore iBook.]

Spring Loaded Bloody Folders.
And a fix to the problem of installers which require an admin account to run (I think that they then sudo to root) placing things in YOUR trash, which you can then only delete from the command line. Until this is done, I will not replace MacOS 9 on the rest of the family's iMac. I'll always run X when/if I suffer the swings and arrows...

[Kate]

Since I had the great limbo of going through 10.03&gt;10.1&gt;SecurityUpdate&gt;InstallerUpdate&gt;10.1.1 for four times and still getting errors, unstable behaviour, hanging apps and the kind, I would VERY much appreciate a means of BACKUP please! :rolleyes:

(This OS scrambled my user settings and especially my login settings for the fifth time out of the blue, I won't install again until this gets fixed. What a nerve it takes to be unable to remedy this by writing the correct values to com.apple.preference.login via terminal. Arrrgh! If only I had a backup of ALL PREFERENCES and a mechanism to get them into the correct places! Unix in this respect is a real stone age regression set back. :mad:

There is no backup solution yet. I know of no way to get a copy of all those hidden files and .FILE and .ETC and .USR hotchpotch somewhere. A copy from the X side is useless as it omits all invisible and hidden items, and a copy from the classical side omits all hidden directories.

So basically:

-Backup feature please!
-everything mentioned by my fellow AIs above as an option
;)
It's that easy. :)

BTW. A little more stability and consistency would do no harm.
:rolleyes:

[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Kate ]

[ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: Kate ]</p>

[The Toolboi]

Automatic desktop refreshing. I dont know if they have that in 10.1, but it wouldbe realllllly nice if you could put something on the desktop and not have to click back to the desktop to see it.

[pioneer]

• Make the applemenu customizable.
ie) the ability to add applications and folders. "User favourites" or something could be added underneath "recent items"

•Command N sprouts a new folder NOT a new window.

•The ability to add any folder you want (as well as it's icon) into the finder toolbar.

•Column shading in list/column view.

•Window information in finder windows. ie) #of files, etc.. like os9 windows.

•Theme's, mainly classic. Some apps look better in classic. Ie) excel. Perhaps even the option to choose a seperate theme for each application. (from the application menu?)

•Put the application menu back over on the right hand side of the menu bar where it belongs, re-add the ability to select your open applications from the application menu . I hate having "File" as the second menu. "File" always moves slightly whenever you switch into another application.

•"Soft classic" mode where the menu bar does not revert to classic styling whenever your using a classic app.

•Notepad!

•A reworked chooser, one of the BEST features of the mac os. A place where appletalk servers and printers could be selected from the same utility.

•Springloaded folders, it'd be neat to be able to spring load them off the side of you screen instead of only from the bottom. That way they wouldn't conflict with the dock if you like the dock on the bottom.


That's shooting pretty high though, I'd be happy if they just moved the application menu and let you put whatever you want in to the finder window toolbars.

[BuonRotto]

Originally posted by pioneer:
• Make the applemenu customizable.
ie) the ability to add applications and folders. "User favourites" or something could be added underneath "recent items"

Yeah, the Favorites folder at least. I had about four or five things in my old Apple menu, and I mostly used it to access various "favorites" in that folder.

•The ability to add any folder you want (as well as it's icon) into the finder toolbar.

I think you can. You mean just drag it up there and let go, yes?

•Column shading in list/column view.

YES.

•Window information in finder windows. ie) #of files, etc.. like os9 windows.

Do you mean like the status bar in the OS X Finder or something else?

•Put the application menu back over on the right hand side of the menu bar where it belongs, re-add the ability to select your open applications from the application menu . I hate having "File" as the second menu. "File" always moves slightly whenever you switch into another application.

I have to say I really really like the sytem they made for OS X. It's just so logical!

•A reworked chooser, one of the BEST features of the mac os. A place where appletalk servers and printers could be selected from the same utility.

Oh, God, no! death to the chooser! However, a more intuitive graphic network connection/neighborhood thing would be nice (as opposed to typing in your SMB server manually).

•Springloaded folders, it'd be neat to be able to spring load them off the side of you screen instead of only from the bottom. That way they wouldn't conflict with the dock if you like the dock on the bottom.

You're talking about pop-up folders, yes?

[corvette]

Again, Energy Saver.


10.1.1's is crap compaired to OS9's.

[pioneer]

BuonRotto - My god I had no idea you could stick whatever you wanted in the finder toolbars. You're absolutly right it is as simple as that! Don't I feel stupid.. ;)

Do you mean like the status bar in the OS X Finder or something else?

Um, yup. that'd be it.. :D I've only had my pbg4 for about 2 weeks so I'm kinda new at osx. Ya learn something new everyday, or in this case several things.

I have to say I really really like the sytem they made for OS X. It's just so logical!

I can see where your comming from there but I just hate the fact that I have to deal with a shifting menu bar all the time. I'd like FILE, EDIT and VIEW to sit still while switching through apps. I find it distracting. Also I can't tell you the number of times I've clicked on the clock looking for one app or another.

a more intuitive graphic network connection/neighborhood thing would be nice (as opposed to typing in your SMB server manually).

Yeah exactly, just something more inuitive than what they have now. I had to go into help to figure out how to select a networked printer.

You're talking about pop-up folders, yes?

Yeah I guess I got the two confused. I'm not sure what you guys mean by "spring loaded".


A couple of things I forgot..

• The option to stick the trash, or at least an alias of it, on the desktop.

•The ability to hide apps by option clicking their icon in the dock. The ability to hide ALL by cnrl-option clicking the Finder icon in the dock (or some key sequence).

•Multiple desktops would be really cool.

•Re-add the control strip or a variation of it.

•Put some of the key "little" apps like stickies, notepad, applesysprofiler, keyboard, puzzle ;) .. etc somewhere more accesible than the application folder. This would be solved by making the apple menu customizable.

•Now that I know about that staus bar trick, double clicking on the status bar hides/reveals the tool bar.

•I don't know how well received this will be but I'd like to see every open window to be in the dock as well a la windows task bar. I find I never remember to minimize my windows and I'm left hunting through layers or using the window menu from within each app. This is annoying as you have to switch into the app your looking for inorder to bring up the proper window menu. I realize you can do this by cntrl-clicking each icon in the dock but I think it'd be better for each open, as well as hidden, window to be in the dock. Shrunken or minimized windows could be half translucent or something.

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: pioneer ]</p>

[Ender]

For the most part, all of the "quirks" of OS X that we complain about are because of our mental baggage from "Classic Mac OS". After we have adapted to not clicking on the clock for applications (for example), I think that we will find OS X to behave more logically than any previous Mac OSs.

As for your last suggestion Pioneer, I think that would make things very confusing very quickly. I usually have somewhere between 10 and 20 windows open on my system. Some are minimized to the dock, some are visible, and some are hidden.

Sometimes the hidden ones can be a pain to find, but is usually quickly fixed by just clicking on the application icon in the dock (which brings the application's "layer" of windows to the front). Sometimes it is neccessary to option-click the application icon to select the window itself.

If *every* window was shown in the dock, the dock would quickly squish itself into oblivion. Just containing my Applications and a couple browser windows takes the entire bottom of my screen (1280 x 1024) and I still need magnification to see exactly what window I'm clicking on. Magnification of the dock is one solution to the little icons, but I've found that magnifying small icons is disorienting, so I only magnify a little bit. To each his own, I suppose.

All in all, unless you have so many windows open that management is impossible, I don't think that all windows should be displayed in the dock. And if you have that many open, it's time for a dual/triple monitor setup (I have two 17" Apple monitors on my system, works wonderfully).

I would like to hear what others think about this...

-Ender

[Amorph]

[quote]Originally posted by pioneer:
<strong>
I have to say I really really like the sytem they made for OS X. It's just so logical!

I can see where your comming from there but I just hate the fact that I have to deal with a shifting menu bar all the time.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You can set the application menu to only display the icon, which of course has a fixed size.

[quote]<strong>Also I can't tell you the number of times I've clicked on the clock looking for one app or another.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, but you'll grow out of that. There's an important difference between interface flaws and interface features that you aren't accustomed to. Should OS X have the close box on the other side to accomodate new Windows users?

[quote]<strong>I'm not sure what you guys mean by "spring loaded".</strong><hr></blockquote>

Spring loaded folders are so called because they spring open when you hold a file over them for a second or so. They're part of OS 9's drag-and-drop file manipulation that allows you to drill down through nested folders. They all spring shut when you drop the file, too, to reduce clutter.

A nice feature, which I'd like to see adapted for the new Column View (hold a file over a folder, and CV auto-opens the next column to that folder).

[quote]<strong>The option to stick the trash, or at least an alias of it, on the desktop.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I believe there are third-party utilities to do that. I don't understand why people want it, though, since I've always hated having to move a bunch of windows around just to trash something. Also, the old trash wasn't in a fixed place. I had OS 9 tuck it in the upper left hand corner of the desktop once after I told it to Clean Up. That was confusing. :)

[quote]<strong>Multiple desktops would be really cool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If done right. I'd look for a third party tool to do that.

[quote]<strong>Re-add the control strip or a variation of it. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Enh. That's just more clutter. The little utility menus take care of some of that functionality, and the Dock handles the rest.

[quote]<strong>Put some of the key "little" apps like stickies, notepad, applesysprofiler, keyboard, puzzle ;) .. etc somewhere more accesible than the application folder. This would be solved by making the apple menu customizable.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's more easily solved by putting the Utilities folder (and/or the Applications folder) in the Dock.


[quote]<strong>I don't know how well received this will be but I'd like to see every open window to be in the dock as well a la windows task bar. I find I never remember to minimize my windows and I'm left hunting through layers or using the window menu from within each app.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Gack! A horrible answer to a small problem. That's the worst aspect of the taskbar, because once you have a lot of windows open it becomes all but worthless. I actually hide the taskbar on my Windows box at work for that reason - it only gets in my way. Get used to minimizing windows.

A more elegant solution, which I've seen others propose, is to have the windows accessible from the Dock menus for each app. That would add functionality without cluttering up the interface at the top level.

[quote]<strong>This is annoying as you have to switch into the app your looking for inorder to bring up the proper window menu. I realize you can do this by cntrl-clicking each icon in the dock</strong><hr></blockquote>

Or just clicking.

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Amorph ]

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>

[Buggy]

Networking!!

1) SMB login should look like it is on an Apple computer not a Unix computer

2) Allow classic apps to see an SMB login

or
- allow an AFP login to NOT crash the App when trying to do anything through the classic ap's dialog boxes that connect to the server (ie open, save, link) (NT4 sp6)

3) Improve the AFP login so that it does not crash the finder even if the NT network is not fully set up for OSX. OS9 has no problem with this, why not OSX the supposed better OS.

4) automatically move the "utilities toolkit" out of reach of a non admin User. The toolkit has too manythings in it for a non admin to be playing with. ie the "terminal".

Because of issue #2 OSX is useless to me.

:mad:

[Brad]

[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>You can set the application menu to only display the icon, which of course has a fixed size.</strong><hr></blockquote>You can?? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Last I knew, that feature was killed after the Public Beta because they didn't want another icon next to the Apple menu. Seriously, did I just miss this somewhere?

[Brad]

Also, something like what I'd like to see in 10.2.

<a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9811/images/x-app-colors.gif" target="_blank">http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9811/images/x-app-colors.gif</a>

NO, I don't want platinum (YUCK! :p ) but I would like some more basic variations for Aqua like a built-in ability to change the hue and/or brightness and/or saturation of the "Blue" or "Graphite" themes to something like Ruby or Emerald or Gold or Obsidian. I know, I know, that's just wishful thinking... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

Also, I'd like to reinforce my stance on not enabling the root user by default. Yes, some people have made arguments for having and using root, but that's not my point. Normal users should never have to use root. No one should use root unless they know what they are doing and what the risks are. If you are an administrator and are knowledgeable enough to play safely with root, that's fine. I think it is a Good Thing™ that Apple has root hidden away so the average Joe won't accidentally enable it and fuck up his system.

[imacFP]

I found this picture http://www.deplume.com/thinksecret/archives/osx1012irda.jpg on ThinkSecret. It was part of an article on 10.1.2 but notice the dock. It has what look like tabs, perhaps pop up folders. It's a photoshop job but I thought the concept was interesting. Dock tabs might be a useful thing to have in 10.2

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: imacSE ]</p>

[Jonathan]

Not a photoshop job. <a href="http://www.dragthing.com" target="_blank">DragThing</a>.

[imacFP]

[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>Not a photoshop job. <a href="http://www.dragthing.com" target="_blank">DragThing</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Really? I didn't know that. It's a shame Apple didn't come up with it.

[Tomahawk]

Why waste time with tabs? Just make it so that any folders in the dock pop up when something is dragged over them. It does the same things without adding tabs to the top of the dock. At the same time it allows you to right click on them to pull up a menu of what's in the folder click on it to actually open the folder.

[pioneer]

[quote]You can set the application menu to only display the icon, which of course has a fixed size.<hr></blockquote>

How exactly is this done? I know you can do that in os9 but I haven't seen the option in osX.

[quote]Yeah, but you'll grow out of that. There's an important difference between interface flaws and interface features that you aren't accustomed to. Should OS X have the close box on the other side to accomodate new Windows users?<hr></blockquote>

True but when the interface features of the past were better than the new implementation of the same features then why settle for it? I liked the application menu in os9 and its still there in osX so why not leave it where it was? OsX just has a more stripped down version the application menu. If they're going to use upthe screen realestate for it then why not make it as usable as what it was.

[quote]It's more easily solved by putting the Utilities folder (and/or the Applications folder) in the Dock.<hr></blockquote>

My mom isn't going to know how to do that. Neither will a lot of mac users. That's what I meant by more accesible. You should at least be able to add them in the applemenu and they should be there by default.


As for the open windows in the dock I see your point. Still, I'd like the option. I don' think it'd be that hard for Apple to implement a preference in the dock options that said "Show all windows in the dock". That way both camps could have it the way they liked.

[pfflam]

some repeats just incase apple-folks are peeking in...


1). Background color option in Column view and in List view....

1.a) in list view have underlines an option for the eyes

2). Windowshade (if by that is meant that double clicking on the top opens down the window)

3). Fix the cursor bar in the set up windows such as the TCP_IP.... couldn't find it!!

4). I loved the LAUNCHER : make the dock more like it or bring it back

5). Labels (if by that is meant folder label colors)

6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box

7). More optional Icons. The application, favorites and other default icons are ugly.

8). In views, global should mean system wide unless respecified after the global is set or regional-global is set.

9). Dock should open faster than I can blink


more later... I'm only now starting to use it.

get rid of this "remain connected?" window . . . or can you do that and am I missing out on how.

[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: pfflam ]</p>

[pfflam]

some repeats just incase apple-folks are peeking in...


1). Background color option in Column view and in List view....

1.a) in list view have underlines and option for the eyes

2). Windowshade (if by that is meant that double clicking on the top opens down the window)

3). Fix the cursor bar in the set up windows such as the TCP_IP.... couldn't find it!!

4). I loved the LAUNCHER : make the dock more like it or bring it back

5). Labels (if by that is meant folder label colors)

6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box

7). More optional Icons. The application, favorites and other default icons are ugly.

8). In views, global should mean system wide unless respecified after the global is set or regional-global is set.

9). Dock should open faster than I can blink


more later... I'm only now starting to use it.

get rid of this "remain connected?" window . . . or can you do that and am I missing out on how.

[BuonRotto]

[quote]Originally posted by pioneer:
<strong>My mom isn't going to know how to do that. Neither will a lot of mac users. That's what I meant by more accesible. You should at least be able to add them in the applemenu and they should be there by default.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Frankly, I find adding shortcuts, nee, anything to the Dock to be easier to explain, understand and perform than the old Apple menu system.

To me, aside from the logic of the new menubar hierarchy (System&gt;Application&gt;File), it also sets up a certain logic to the malleability of the UI; that is, some things are constant, others change depending on context (I would like to see more of this particular approach, like how iTunes does this), and others are entirely flexible to your whim. The menubar is fixed. It contains all necessary tools and they do not move out of place, they are always available. Whereas toolbars are somewhat constant (you don't rearrange them too often, mainly just find what you like and stick with it) and follow the specific app and location of windows. Still, I'd like the toolbars to be more contextual in this idea, possibly having a few arrangements depending on the action, selection, etc (though this may be too confusing in practice). Finally, the Dock is absolutely in flux, malleable at any time, changed in any way. I think these three modes of the UI are best kept distinct from one another, but could be more aggressively pursued by the company.

To me, the most important consideration for Apple and what has to mainly be addressed at this point (aside from the occasional aesthetic snafu) is the consistency of its UI, not its heritage or familiarity. The more consistent and logical, the easier it is to adapt to if necessary.

[fantastic happy dinner man]

hope we don't wait until 10.2, and maybe i don't get the picture, but a thing i don't think is needed in the dock is, if you have a document in the doc/file side of the dock, when you open it, the app icon if not already in the dock on purpose, arises in the app side of the dock.

[Poochie]

Fix the god damn problem in list view with B&W's! No...fix all the god damn problems with B&W's and OSX..geeze.

I am sick of clicking on a column, and then having the whole thing resizes itself!

APPLE! ARE YOU LISTENING? :mad:

"Automatic desktop refreshing. I dont know if they have that in 10.1, but it wouldbe realllllly nice if you could put something on the desktop and not have to click back to the desktop to see it."

OMG SO WOULD I.. :) ))

Guess what? 10.1.2 does it!!!! YAY!

OMFG!

They finally fixed the right clicking in list view!!!
I fin love it..

5 huge stars

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[tonton]

[quote]Originally posted by yablaka:
<strong>hope we don't wait until 10.2, and maybe i don't get the picture, but a thing i don't think is needed in the dock is, if you have a document in the doc/file side of the dock, when you open it, the app icon if not already in the dock on purpose, arises in the app side of the dock.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You don't get it.

There are many reasons it should be this way. One reason is that documents are not application specific. Let's say you have a jpeg document. Sometimes you open it in Photoshop (to edit it) and sometimes you open it in Preview (to look at it). Maybe you want to open it in both at the same time! If the application icon doesn't show up in the dock, how can you distinguish between two applications with the same open document?

[tonton]

My biggest request is spring loaded folders, and it looks like they've got that covered (yay!)

Other than that, a sound set would be nice. It makes the system feel more responsive.

[BuonRotto]

I'd still prefer a drawer in the Finder to SLF (which I realize is a pipe dream considering that they can't get sheets in there -- which are supported in carbon).

To repeat: drawers are non-modal, multiple drops possible, easier to change your mind/direction. SLF is modal, hard to move anywhere but IN, and you have to drop everything in one place.

Sorry for pontificating a bit. :)

PS: I hope the Disk Image thing in the context menu is to move everyone towards them, including for attachments, burning, etc. They can be quite handy IMO.

[fantastic happy dinner man]

[quote]Originally posted by tonton:
<strong>My biggest request is spring loaded folders, and it looks like they've got that covered (yay!)</strong><hr></blockquote>

tonton,
wherabouts? i don't see it in 10.1.2 Finder Prefs, nor General...

[EmAn]

[quote]Originally posted by yablaka:
<strong>

tonton,
wherabouts? i don't see it in 10.1.2 Finder Prefs, nor General...</strong><hr></blockquote>

He means in 10.2. The reports on it say that it has them.

[SYN]

Something I find myself wishing for almost everyday is Mutliple Desktops. I really wish Apple implements authentically new features in the major updates to OSX, and doesn't just keep adding OS9 features back...

[BuonRotto]

I think if Apple goes for multiple desktops, they would hopefully improve on it too. I think there are better ways of accessing them, moving through them. But that's what I was hoping for regarding spring-loaded folders and it looks like they didn't change anything there.

[spockie]

[quote]Originally posted by pfflam:
<strong>6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I will never understand why people want to have the trash on the desktop where it can be covered with windows. Is there a logical explanation why it is an advantage to have the trash sitting on the desktop or is it just because people are used to it? Well, as long as it is just an option, that's ok with me.

What I would want for 10.2 would be a shelf. This would be a slight modification of the toolbar, so that you can drag files and folders down, not only up. It should handle multiple selections as well. With a shelf you will never need a second Finder window in order to copy or move stuff.

[SYN]

I'd also like Mail.app to offer the option of stripping files of their resource forks... My friends have had it with receiving 200k files that they can't use just because I sent them a 20k .jpg, from the world's most advanced OS....

[Kestral]

An SQL-based file system that can handle metadata as well (or even better) than BeOS. See Scott Hacker's comparison of BeOS to OS X to see what I mean.

[BuonRotto]

What advantage does SQL have over the Be system of MIME data, or Apple's HFS+?

[BuonRotto]

so much for flood control. oops.

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[Kestral]

[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>What advantage does SQL have over the Be system of MIME data, or Apple's HFS+?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Read this story comparing BeOS and Mac OS X for what I mean:

<a href="http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=421" target="_blank">http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=421</a>

- Imagine email stored in a universal metadata format that can be read by ANY and ALL email readers without having to translate back and forth. In fact, imagine if you could sort your emails right on the Finder by author, name, time, etc. (you can even make up your own categories in BeOS' filesystem)
- Imagine when you open your mp3 drive/folder, you see not just the filename - in fact, you don't even have to see the filname - you see the song name (in FULL), artist, time, bit rate, etc. and sort among those categories.
- Imagine being able to do find within finds, advanced finding techniques that are as powerful as SQL queries (because they ARE in fact SQL queries)

I think that Scott McNealy got it wrong when it said that the network is the computer. IMO, the DATABASE is the computer. We as users use applications but it is time for the application based model to be replaced by a database driven model imo.

[fantastic happy dinner man]

[quote]Originally posted by SYN:
<strong>I'd also like Mail.app to offer the option of stripping files of their resource forks... My friends have had it with receiving 200k files that they can't use just because I sent them a 20k .jpg, from the world's most advanced OS....</strong><hr></blockquote>
Some Mail preferences could be more logical (e.g. I don't think Saving Sent & Unsent Mail options belong in Composing). Rules could use more conditions (and be more Eudora like); and the current ones don't always work, (for me anyway, any one else experience that)?

[fantastic happy dinner man]

[quote]Originally posted by Ender:
<strong>...I feel most strongly about the windowshade...double click on the title bar should windowshade.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I see some sentiment for it and I liked it at first myself. Maybe i just never learned to manage them. But even as i shrunk and minimized them, they just seemed to litter and crowd the screen for me.

[fantastic happy dinner man]

[quote]Originally posted by yablaka:
<strong>
Some Mail preferences could be more logical (e.g. I don't think Saving Sent & Unsent Mail options belong in Composing). Rules could use more conditions (and be more Eudora like); and the current ones don't always work, (for me anyway, any one else experience that)?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i' d add to that ease of finding sent messages. just sent 3 to the same address and can't find any of them. it's not me, well, that's a remote possibility :) , but not likely

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[spindler]

This might be a little thing but I'd like to see Sherlock added to the Apple menu. Finding files is a universal thing and it's cumbersome to click on the Finder in the dock which may show Finder windows I don't want to see. I could keep Sherlock in the Dock but it's an extra icon and Sherlock seems more like a utility or system function than a program. Put Find in the Apple Menu and have it be in memory all the time. I never understood why it's a separate program rather than part of the OS. It's used constantly.

[tonton]

Hey, people -- <a href="http://www.unsanity.com" target="_blank">Windowshade X</a> works great. Pay your $7 shareware fee, even though they don't seem to notify registered users of updates :rolleyes: . I've been using version 1.0 and 1.5 is out.

Yeah, I know, it's third party and Apple should include this functionality built-in, but at least it works for the time being.

Wonder why it can't be found on version tracker?