Bye bye Classic

[hekal]

After having Classic installed (and not using it) for six months I finally blew away all indications of OS9 from my Mac. :) Is anyone else NOT running Classic?

[EmAn]

If I didn't use Aimster in Classic then I would. Until there's a good file sharing software for OS X (so I can steal music) I won't get rid of Classic.

[hekal]

I don't steal so it's moot.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>If I didn't use Aimster in Classic then I would. Until there's a good file sharing software for OS X (so I can steal music) I won't get rid of Classic.</strong><hr></blockquote>

[norfa]

Not any time soon, CU-seeme will probably never have an OSX version and Diablo II and Photoshop aren't released yet. Plus I have a fortune in software that I don't want to buy again. I haven't really found much of interest that runs on X. iPhoto, what else is ther that would make X worth using?

[Aries 1B]

When it comes to real software, I'm like a baby first learning to walk.

Are you saying that you've deleted OS 9 completely from your Mac and OS X still works? (thud! fell on my ass again!)

I was under the impression that OS X needed OS 9 to work? (WHAM! GODDAMNED COFFEE TABLE!)

Aries 1B
(Someone please come over here and pick me up, hmmm?) :o

[crawlingparanoia]

Nope. OS X works fine without OS 9 (Classic) installed. You only need Classic if you want to run any OS 9 apps. But OS X works perfectly fine without it.

[dividend]

i will probably run os 9 (classic) for ever - until there are replacements for framemaker and some good statistical software such as statview. luckily framemaker 5.5 and statview work perfectly so only a 1 min wait for classic to start up and some colourless interface....

[Addison]

HOW did you install X without classic. I don't remember seeing an option?

[ColorClassicG4]

[quote]Originally posted by Aries 1B:
<strong>I was under the impression that OS X needed OS 9 to work? (WHAM! GODDAMNED COFFEE TABLE!)</strong><hr></blockquote>

OS X isn't a patch over the older stuff like, say, Windows 95 was. It's an entirely separate operating system. OS 9 is also an entirely separate operating system. What the "Classic" application does is launch OS 9 within its own confines (like Virtual PC does), so that you can run old applications with it.

Don't have any old software? Throw out your OS 9 system folder like so much deadwood, and never run the "Classic" application. Voila.

[EmAn]

[quote]Originally posted by JW Pepper:
<strong>HOW did you install X without classic. I don't remember seeing an option?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You just get rid of OS 9 on the drive and install OS X.

[NoahJ]

I have been considering this. Especially since it is very annoying to have classic launch when I hit a file that is associated with an OS 9 program. But, until my games work in X (Deus EX especially) I have to have Classic around. Oh well, guess I will never get rid of OS 9. :( sigh

[dividend]

you can install x without os 9 being there. some programmes though require os 9 to install, like appleworks...

[Paul]

[quote]Originally posted by norfa:
<strong>iPhoto, what else is ther that would make X worth using?</strong><hr></blockquote>

watson. iPhoto and watson are the 2 apps that are going to make me switch as soon as 10.2 comes out. I am going to buy it retail so i can just install and get right to 10.2 and not have to muck with updates....

[norfa]

Just an example, tonight, I'm setting up iMovie on OX. It tokk me a number of hours over two days to get my movies in the right place and my third party plug-ins working. I realised when finishing up that I didn't have access to the sound effects cd's i use. I wanted to try a bacth conversion because one of the CD's is a system sound format. I needed sound app for batch conversion. Despite at least a hlf hour searching the internet I couldn't find a piece of software, free or commercial, that would do my sound files a in batches. SO, there I was , back in OS9. I'm tempetd to say, the more different things you do with your computer, the more likely you are to need OS9. And whether the guy who wrote sound app, which is free ware will ever make it run native in OS X is anybodies guess. What would be in it for him? It's freeware.

[norfa]

In reply to Aries 1B's patronizing signature, gun violence in Britain and Canada where there are stricter gun control laws is so much lower than it is in the US, it could have a 40% increase for years and still not catch up. Stick with the facts guy. The facts are, that with the highest concentration of guns in the world, the US leads in per capita gun related deaths and injuries. To imply that there is some other important reality out there is just the la la land of the anti-gun control fanatics.

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[ThinkingDifferent]

I have classic installed but I don't use it. :D How would I go about removing it if I didn't want it? Can I just delete the Mac OS folder? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[EmAn]

[quote]Originally posted by ThinkingDifferent:
<strong>I have classic installed but I don't use it. :D How would I go about removing it if I didn't want it? Can I just delete the Mac OS folder? :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Try getting rid of all of the OS 9 files. You'll probably be better off re-initializing the drive.

[fuzz_ball]

I was on the verge of dumping classic but two things happened:

1) F!@#ing MS and their "LAN check" in Office for OS X (why, why, why can't I use Entourage while my wife uses Word--this is a rhetorical question so don't answer it)

2) UT GOTY (I still like to play it now and again *sigh*)

I could probably live without #2 (but I don't want to), but as for #1, I have to use my Office 2001 via Classic so it doesn't conflict when my wife is using Word and give me that lousey "Someone is already using this registration..."

You'd think for $500 bucks that MS would at least allow your license to qualify as a "home license" so when your kid/wife needs to use Word, you don't have to shut your d!@# e-mail client down!

I'm not really that angry :)

[spicoli]

[quote]Originally posted by fuzz_ball:
<strong>I was on the verge of dumping classic but two things happened:

1) F!@#ing MS and their "LAN check" in Office for OS X (why, why, why can't I use Entourage while my wife uses Word--this is a rhetorical question so don't answer it)

2) UT GOTY (I still like to play it now and again *sigh*)

I could probably live without #2 (but I don't want to), but as for #1, I have to use my Office 2001 via Classic so it doesn't conflict when my wife is using Word and give me that lousey "Someone is already using this registration..."

You'd think for $500 bucks that MS would at least allow your license to qualify as a "home license" so when your kid/wife needs to use Word, you don't have to shut your d!@# e-mail client down!

I'm not really that angry :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

You can block the port that it uses to check the LAN. i think the port is 222. You can use a firewall program to block the port. or you can just get a diffrent serial for office.

[Aries 1B]

Norfa:

The signature *was* a bit long. Here's the short version:

Great Britain banned firearms.
Badguys took advantage and attacked defenseless citizens.
Cause and effect.
There. That ought to do it.

Rest easy. Your American neighbor's got a gun. Put an NRA sticker on your door and you'll be safer than you are.
:D

Now can we puh-leze stay on this fascinating topic? I want to thank all you guys for pointing me toward a pure OS X plane of existance; you've given my 3.2 Gig harddrive a new lease on life!
Aries 1B

[pusherman]

ehhhhhhh...just the opposite. tonight, while trying to simply switch between X and 9 so I could work in Quark, my hard drive fucked up and I lost everything. It wouldnt boot, so I tried booting from a CD, but no amount of disk tools or troubleshooting would get the drive to mount, much less boot. I'm so mad still. I'm pretty good about backing up so I didn't lose much, but I did a lot of work on my portfolio web site over the weekend, and it's all gone now. unfortunately every picture i've taken since i got my digital camera is gone, because i neglected to back up my pictures. needless to say, i'm a little sick. so for now anyway, i've vowed not to install OS X until I'll never have to boot into another OS again.

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[hekal]

No you do not need OS9. I hope you were joking. :)

[quote]Originally posted by Aries 1B:
<strong>When it comes to real software, I'm like a baby first learning to walk.

Are you saying that you've deleted OS 9 completely from your Mac and OS X still works? (thud! fell on my ass again!)

I was under the impression that OS X needed OS 9 to work? (WHAM! GODDAMNED COFFEE TABLE!)

Aries 1B
(Someone please come over here and pick me up, hmmm?) :o </strong><hr></blockquote>

[hekal]

Where in the OS X install is there a classic option? You've lost me.. The classic option is always there in the OS, but without an OS9 partition it's useless. :)

[quote]Originally posted by JW Pepper:
<strong>HOW did you install X without classic. I don't remember seeing an option?</strong><hr></blockquote>

[hekal]

Remove the Desktop files too, and you're in the clear. :) My system is happier and cleaner without the devil OS9! :)

[quote]Originally posted by ColorClassicG4:
<strong>

OS X isn't a patch over the older stuff like, say, Windows 95 was. It's an entirely separate operating system. OS 9 is also an entirely separate operating system. What the "Classic" application does is launch OS 9 within its own confines (like Virtual PC does), so that you can run old applications with it.

Don't have any old software? Throw out your OS 9 system folder like so much deadwood, and never run the "Classic" application. Voila.</strong><hr></blockquote>

[hekal]

Noo don't need to.
Remove the OS9 System Folder
Remove the Desktop DB and Desktop DF files
Remove the Applications (OS 9) folder

Clear out any Classic apps you have have scattered about.

All done.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>

Try getting rid of all of the OS 9 files. You'll probably be better off re-initializing the drive.</strong><hr></blockquote>

[Horned_Frog]

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>If I didn't use Aimster in Classic then I would. Until there's a good file sharing software for OS X (so I can steal music) I won't get rid of Classic.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why not just use AudioGalaxy? You know, there is a way to easily download blocked songs. The only bad part is that you cannot choose a bit rate, but most of them come back at 128 which is OK since it is gratis anyway.

And yes, I DO still buy music...just bought Led Zeppelin: The Complete Studio Recordings. :)

[jimmac]

Well, I'm almost at that point. Classic is feeling a bit like an appendix now. I'm only waiting for Norton Utilities ( got the beta already ) and Unreal Tournament and I really won't have much reason to go there. Since Office and Quicken came out for X Classic has been a place I just don't go. Well, there is Game Ranger which seems to be taking forever. Since most of the games I have work in X it's a moot point. But, things will really be back to normal when that app. comes out for X. :D

[Macintosh]

Classic is not on my G$ Cube. I am all OS X now and have been since 10.1.

[applenut]

[quote]Originally posted by Macintosh:
<strong>Classic is not on my G$ Cube. I am all OS X now and have been since 10.1.</strong><hr></blockquote>

interesting typo, fits well with the product :D

[Amorph]

Ironically enough, the only tether I have to OS 9 is AppleWorks: Specifically, the installer. It seems to be a problem with InstallerVISE, so it has affected the installation of other apps as well (including the Canvas 8 beta, but fortunately not the final). Has anyone tried booting into OS 9 from a CD and running the AppleWorks installer to patch the OS X version?

Unfortunately, all of the installers for OS X have serious problems. :( That's something that I hope will be fixed soon.

[BRussell]

I was installing 10.1 on an iMac in a computer lab, and set the option to wipe the disk first.

Then it installed 10.1, but of course 9 is on another CD, which I never installed. So that's one way to do install X without 9.

[serrano]

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>If I didn't use Aimster in Classic then I would. Until there's a good file sharing software for OS X (so I can steal music) I won't get rid of Classic.</strong><hr></blockquote>

read me sig

[thentro]

I only need photoshop for OSX and 9 will never be used again...

ps UT for X is out I hear

[thentro]

Aquisition looks great but I cant DL a thing :(

[glurx]

Have you tried <a href="http://www.xlife.org/aquisition.php" target="_blank">Aquisition</a>?

[norfa]

Aries 1B
you're still wrong guy

Many cops aren't armed in Britain, Britain has a much lower incidence of gun related crimes thatn the US does.

Canada has way sticter gun laws than the United States, Canada has a much lower incedence of gun related crimes than the US does.

Be happy, you can leave your gun laden hell hole of a country , can come to a nice country where you are much less likely to get shot, your neighbor Canada. I left it 43 years ago, and never looked back.

[Amorph]

Until Mac OS X comes with a Peacemaker and a box of ammo, guns are not relevant in this forum. Feel free to continue the discussion in AppleOutsider.

Thanks. :)

[Gambit]

[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>Until Mac OS X comes with a Peacemaker and a box of ammo, guns are not relevant in this forum. Feel free to continue the discussion in AppleOutsider.

Thanks. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

You mean, OS X wasn't SUPPOSED to come with a gun and a box of ammo? Then why did mine come.....? What the? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[ColorClassicG4]

Mine came bundled with an OEM copy of "3D Dogcow Hunter".

[KidRed]

[quote]Originally posted by glurx:
<strong>Have you tried <a href="http://www.xlife.org/aquisition.php" target="_blank">Aquisition</a>?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep, and trashed it after it wouldn't do anything.

[chuckster]

Music software has been very slow in coming for OS X. I am still waiting for Sibelius 2.0 (a music notation progrram) so I can run it in X. It's annoying now because I have to reboot into 9 to use the current version Sib. 1.4 (Classic mode doesn't work because it doesn't support OMS).
Once Sib 2 comes out I won't need Classic anymore. I should mention that my MIDI interface (Midiman) already has OSX drivers.