Kitchen sink tactics

[Fellowship]

You all know I voted for Barack Obama in the Texas Primary and Caucus. One reason is that Barack Obama does not resort to cheap and less than admirable tactics such as a "Kitchen sink strategy" to win an election. He runs on the idea of a "New politics" for the country as the country is sick of the old style politics. I agree with him and would suggest that Hillary is "more of the same" old politics where Obama is change indeed from the old less than admirable kinds of ways to do politics.

Hillary seems to be getting off on and and getting mileage from "her supporters" as they respond to her dirty tricks.

She has her surrogates out there questioning the "race factor" of Barack Obama (Geraldine Ferraro) What a hack she is.. To divide people over race and to dismiss Barack Obama because of his skin color is so last century, wrong and tasteless. I do not consider her a "progressive". She makes the party look bad.

We have had the emails that scare people into thinking Barack Obama is a muslim and then Hillary herself while being interviewed about the subject says she does not believe he is "that she knows of"

"That she knows of"....... Geeesh... Hillary you are no better than George Bush using fear to your advantage.

If that is not enough there is of course the photo of Barack Obama while on travel that Matt Drudge has disclosed was given to him from the Clinton campaign.

No not this one:
http://www.nationalclergycouncil.org/images/Barack%20Obama%20Official%20small.jpg

This one:http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/080225/080224-obamaphoto-vmed-11a.widec.jpg

Hillary has these folks out there like James Carville and the more I compare and contrast these kinds of people she uses as her foot soldiers and compare that to how Barack Obama conducts himself I see a stark contrast in style and character.

It is clear to me Barack Obama represents the future of the Democratic Party.

Hillary represents the old way of doing things including throwing the kitchen sink at her opponent.

I invite those who support Hillary here to share your thoughts about her tactics.

Do any of you all believe as I do that the country needs to move beyond scare tactics and questioning a person based on their skin color etc. ?

Your thoughts are welcome

I think the following is right on the mark:

"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."-- Martin Luther King, Jr.

Fellows

[Bergermeister]

The country needs to get past a lot of things.

[@_@ Artman]

Obama scored a 60-38 victory over Hillary last night in Mississippi. Would you like to guess what the AP headline is? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080312/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_exit_poll)


Obama gets scant white support in MS

Whites largely shunned Barack Obama in Mississippi's Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday as the Deep South showed once again its reluctance to embrace him across racial lines.

Obama drew 28% of white voters, while Hillary drew 9% of blacks. He did three times as well "reaching across racial lines" as she did.

The headline could be: Hillary gets scant black support in MS.

The first line could read: Blacks largely shunned Hillary Clinton in Mississippi's Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday as the Deep South showed once again its reluctance to embrace her across racial lines.

Honestly, I think its time we stop whining. The reason the media is doing this (lets put all conspiracy theories to the side for a second) is that Obama is clearly now the presumptive Democratic nominee for President of the United States. He's won. We've won.

Barring an attempt at ritual suicide by the democratic party, this thing is over. And so the media is focusing on Obama's shortcomings for the national election. And 28% of the white vote is a shortcoming.

[Fellowship]

Obama scored a 60-38 victory over Hillary last night in Mississippi.
Honestly, I think its time we stop whining.

I think you are right Artman!

I have faith that Obama will win the democratic nomination and the White House this fall.

I would argue that this will be in large part due to his gifted ability to unite the country and his abstinence from dirty kitchen sink tactics.

Fellows

[@_@ Artman]

What's fit to print the day after Obama wins Mississippi 60-37? (http://obamav.com/fit-to-print.html)

I watched Manufacturing Consent (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5631882395226827730) a few years ago and thought it was interesting but had a hard time believing Chomsky when he claimed that New York Times actively hide news that goes against the will of their allies. But today it's clear that Chomsky is right. Let's have a look at today's headlines and keep in mind that New York Times help their friends not by emphasizing information, but by hiding it

Update 9am : They have changed the home page and given the Mississippi results a more prominent place now.

Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_The_Political_Economy_of_th e_Mass_Media)

As far as I'm concerned all we (the viewers and readers) are to the media are "whiners", sheep being led on a distorted path of truth and lies. We aren't readers or viewers, just consumers and customers.

* Do not be deluded into believing that the titular heads of the networks control what appears on their networks. They all have better taste. All are responsible to stockholders, and in my experience all are honorable men. But they must schedule what they can sell in the public market.

* The sponsor of an hour's television program is not buying merely the six minutes devoted to commercial message. He is determining, within broad limits, the sum total of the impact of the entire hour. If he always, invariably, reaches for the largest possible audience, then this process of insulation, of escape from reality, will continue to be massively financed, and its apologist will continue to make winsome speeches about giving the public what it wants, or "letting the public decide."

* If we go on as we are, we are protecting the mind of the American public from any real contact with the menacing world that squeezes in upon us. We are engaged in a great experiment to discover whether a free public opinion can devise and direct methods of managing the affairs of the nation. We may fail. But we are handicapping ourselves needlessly.

* Just once in a while let us exalt the importance of ideas and information.

- Edward R. Murrow (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edward_R._Murrow#RTNDA_Convention_Speech_.281958.2 9)


http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2006/feature-photography/works/heisler-04.jpg

[dmz]

Good call on Manufacturing Consent, @_@ Artman. News is therapeutic -- the market makes it so. There's a point in that documentary where they explain why shows like Nightline are inane window dressing -- real topics take longer than the six minutes between commercial breaks to hash out. You go out knowing less than when you went in -- but it felt good in the process.


I will say this though, I brought up the Spitzer thing to my wife yesterday, who remarked: "Spitzer -- is he republican or democrat?" If Spitzer were a republican, she wouldn't have had to ask, that information would have been placed prominently. That same thing is evident in both the coverage of homeschooling and the ethanol issue -- it's interesting what is ignored or avoided, not due conspiracy, but due to collective consciousness issues and a therapeutic approach to damn near everything.

[Fellowship]

Good call on Manufacturing Consent, @_@ Artman. News is therapeutic -- the market makes it so. There's a point in that documentary where they explain why shows like Nightline are inane window dressing -- real topics take longer than the six minutes between commercial breaks to hash out. You go out knowing less than when you went in -- but it felt good in the process.


I will say this though, I brought up the Spitzer thing to my wife yesterday, who remarked: "Spitzer -- is he republican or democrat?" If Spitzer were a republican, she wouldn't have had to ask, that information would have been placed prominently. That same thing is evident in both the coverage of homeschooling and the ethanol issue -- it's interesting what is ignored or avoided, not due conspiracy, but due to issues of collective consciousness issues and a therapeutic approach to damn near everything.

Not to get off topic but have any of you that follow the "content" of the American media noticed how the following headline has been in the news almost every other day for the last 3 months.

"Americans not getting enough sleep" "Lack of sleep bad for your health" "Increased heart attack and stroke risk associated with not enough sleep" This "story" has been in the news day after day for months now.... WHAT GIVES???

Not sure if you all notice as I do that these cable networks like Fox and MSNBC run ads for Lunesta and AmbianCR etc. many times during the day.

The cynic in me smells something here...

But back to the topic Artman raised about the NYT I will submit that in this case CNN seems to have gotten this story "right" ;) as I see it...

"With the wins in Mississippi and Texas, Obama now leads Clinton 1,608 to 1,478 in the total delegate count, CNN estimates. "

"Sen. Barack Obama widen his lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the overall delegate count by picking up delegates in Mississippi and Texas on Tuesday. The Illinois Democrat won handily in the Mississippi Democratic primary Tuesday. Obama beat Clinton 61 percent to 37 percent with 99 percent of the precincts reporting.

With the victory, Obama added 17 delegates to his total while Clinton picked up 11, CNN estimates. The Mississippi win was Obama's second win in a row, having won the Wyoming caucuses Saturday.

CNN Tuesday also projected that Obama was the winner of the Texas Democratic caucuses that occurred March 4. Obama will be awarded 38 of Texas's delegates, while Clinton will win 29 delegates as a result of the caucuses, CNN estimates. Clinton beat Obama 51 percent to 47 percent in the Texas primary that was also held on March 4, but Obama was expected to win a majority of the 228 Texas delegates due to his caucus win.

Two-thirds of the state's 193 delegates were at stake at the primary, while the remaining third were decided by the caucuses.



Taken from this story:

"Obama increases lead in delegate count"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/12/dems.delegates/

Fellows

[BRussell]

Good call on Manufacturing Consent, @_@ Artman. News is therapeutic -- the market makes it so. There's a point in that documentary where they explain why shows like Nightline are inane window dressing -- real topics take longer than the six minutes between commercial breaks to hash out. You go out knowing less than when you went in -- but it felt good in the process.


I will say this though, I brought up the Spitzer thing to my wife yesterday, who remarked: "Spitzer -- is he republican or democrat?" If Spitzer were a republican, she wouldn't have had to ask, that information would have been placed prominently. That same thing is evident in both the coverage of homeschooling and the ethanol issue -- it's interesting what is ignored or avoided, not due conspiracy, but due to collective consciousness issues and a therapeutic approach to damn near everything.

Oh please. When it's a Republican scandal they simply label him a Democrat.

http://www.BradBlog.com/Images/FoxOReilly_MarkFoleyDEM_100306.jpg

[dmz]

Not to get off topic but have any of you that follow the "content" of the American media noticed how the following headline has been in the news almost every other day for the last 3 months.

"Americans not getting enough sleep" "Lack of sleep bad for your health" "Increased heart attack and stroke risk associated with not enough sleep" This "story" has been in the news day after day for months now.... WHAT GIVES???

Not sure if you all notice as I do that these cable networks like Fox and MSNBC run ads for Lunesta and AmbianCR etc. many times during the day.

The cynic in me smells something here...


Wow -- I'm working on making a consumer behavior text less U.S. centric. I just ran across references to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_effect

and this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_effect




I think they've got us coming and going -- we're swiming in this stuff.

Kill your television.

[Jubelum]

Oh please. When it's a Republican scandal they simply label him a Democrat.


...or they wait until the 16th paragraph of the Spitzer story to even mention his party, only after mentioning Larry Craig and his, uh, "orientation."

Our media lies to us. Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, you name it. Care to get me started on the outright lies and FUD that are perpetrated re: firearms owners in the United States? I keep a morgue file of them for instructional purposes. ;)

As a nation, I think we are losing whatever last vestige of trust we had in the MSM. The DNC house organ - the NYT - is bleeding staff and readership. Faux News has been seen for the shills they often are... look at the treatment of Ron Paul by FNC. Certainly confirmed with me that Michelle Malkin has a standing reservation to kiss my ass.

Most people have begun to see all of this for what it is: just another front in the culture war. Sad really. But good, in that I believe some people from all political stripes are regularly calling "bullshit" on news outlets they used to trust.

A question for the room... do you think that this distrust is good because it is making us more critical consumers of media and news, or are Americans just not able to "get it" and buy the most appealing emotional argument at face value?

When the Kitchen Sink does get thrown at Obama, do you think most voters think critically about the facts behind the attack, or are we relegated to the "seriousness of the charge" bullshit?

[@_@ Artman]

Wow -- I'm working on making a consumer behavior text less U.S. centric. I just ran across references to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_effect
and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_effect

I think they've got us coming and going -- we're swiming in this stuff.
Kill your television.

Seen Adam Curtis' BBC documentary The Century of Self (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=+the+Century+of+Self&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv)?

To many in both politics and business, the triumph of the self is the ultimate expression of democracy, where power has finally moved to the people. Certainly the people may feel they are in charge, but are they really? The Century of the Self tells the untold and sometimes controversial story of the growth of the mass-consumer society in Britain and the United States. How was the all-consuming self created, by whom, and in whose interests?

"This series is about how those in power have used Freud's theories to try and control the dangerous crowd in an age of mass democracy." - Adam Curtis

Been going on for decades. :\

[dmz]

Seen Adam Curtis' BBC documentary The Century of Self (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=+the+Century+of+Self&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv)?

I hadn't, but Frontline's The Merchants of Cool was pretty interesting.

I get to work on a lot of marketing books -- so it's no surprise, I just don't think we step back and realize how pervasive this stuff is. They're everywhere -- frog blast the vent core!!



No one should read many microbiology or marketing texts -- you'll end up too paranoid and cynical to go out in public! :lol:



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[@_@ Artman]

I hadn't, but Frontline's The Merchants of Cool was pretty interesting.

That primarily focused on teen marketing, true? Well this method of "marketing" started with adults, men firstly, then women and eventually it lead to teens. Now they're indoctrinating the younger set.

We're permeated with bullshit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNv-oDbBZQU) Stop consuming it! There is no "American Dream"! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw&feature=related)

I see it whenever I go home and watch television. That's why I don't have television programmed into my world, I see what a want to see and not let anyone force feed me the commercialized bullshit programming down my throat. My television is for movies, DVDs and the occasional virtual sandbox of a video game. That's it.

The Internet gives me choices for anything else, but sadly that could be at it's end...:\

[dmz]

That primarily focused on teen marketing, true? Well this method of "marketing" started with adults, men firstly, then women and eventually it lead to teens. Now they're indoctrinating the younger set.

We're permeated with bullshit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNv-oDbBZQU) Stop consuming it! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw&feature=related)

I see it whenever I go home and watch television. That's why I don't have television programmed into my world, I see what a want to see and not let anyone force feed me the commercialized bullshit programming down my throat. My television is for movies, DVDs and the occasional virtual sandbox of a video game. That's it.

The Internet gives me choices for anything else, but sadly that could be at it's end...:\
Yep, I got rid of my TV years ago -- being able to pull content, commercial free, from iTunes and Netflix is where it's at.







oh, I almost forgot:

http://bigchase.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/obey.jpg



or, in midwinter's case:

http://www.dogweb.nl/bordercolliegfx/obey_border_collie.jpg

[Bergermeister]

Yesterday CNN was running a headline on their web page that read:

"Sex scandal democrat to resign"

Yahoo news, linking to the same story, had the headline:

"Scandal-linked Governor to resign" or something like that.

CNN just had to reenforce the partyship.