iPhone reception; Australian Mac sales boom; 30% off Office 2008

[AppleInsider]

AT&T is investigating reports from iPhone 3G users who claim their new phones can't maintain a solid 3G signal. Meanwhile, new figures show a huge jump in Apple's share of the Australian PC market. And Microsoft is offering students up to 30% off Office 2008 with the purchase of a new Mac.

iPhone 3G reception

Are some iPhone 3G's plagued by reception problems? Apple and its US wireless partner AT&T don't think so. However, those with a less than stellar experience have been congregating on Apple's discussion forums for over a month now, demanding the company take notice.

Among the various issues are an unusual number of dropped 3G voice calls, calls that don't properly downgrade from a 3G signal to an EDGE signal when 3G reception weakens, and poor overall 3G reception in areas where other 3G phones reflect good reception.

In a research note to clients Tuesday, Nomura analyst Richard Windsor speculated that an "immature" chipset solution from Infineon may be to blame for the sporadic issues.

"We believe that these issues are typical of an immature chipset and radio protocol stack where we are almost certain Infineon is the 3G supplier," he wrote.

Windsor added that since he believes the problem to be embedded within the chipset itself, it's unlikely that Apple can rectify the issue through software updates.

While Apple has remained relatively mum on the subject, AT&T spokesman Mark Siegel said his firm is working with the iPhone maker to ensure that users have a great experience with the iPhone 3G, which he said has not been a source of tremendous complaints.

Siegel added the two companies are indeed investigating all customer complaints, but said it remains unclear whether the complaints are indicative of a widespread problem or the product of individual circumstances.

"How a device performs in individual situations depends on circumstances like where you are in the 3G coverage, how close you are to a cell site," he said. "Things like terrain and buildings all come into play. I'm not denying that people are having a less than satisfactory experience, but overall, the phone is doing great."

Australian Mac sales on the rise

Meanwhile, there's more good news for Apple's personal computer business coming out of Australia this week.

According to new figures released by market research firm Gartner, Apple's share of the local PC market rose to 5.3 percent in the second quarter of 2008, up from to 3.8 percent during the same period last year.

The firm estimate that Australians purchased approximately 1.2 million computers during the three months ended June, which would indicate sales of nearly 65,000 Macs -- an increase of 20,000 units from the year-ago quarter. That suggests Mac sales grew at over 50 percent in the region compared to just 9 percent growth achieved by the rest of the industry.

Rival market research firm IDC also released its own results this week, which largely corroborated those from Gartner. It placed Apple's share of the Australian PC market even higher, however, at 6.2 percent.

Student savings on Office 2008 through Sept. 8th

Finally, Microsoft said Tuesday it has teamed with a select few Apple authorized resellers like Amazon.com to offer students up to 30 percent off its various Office 2008 productivity suites when they're purchased alongside a new Mac before September 8th.

The offer translates into $15 off Office 2008 Home and Student Edition, $80 off Office 2008 Standard Edition, and $150 off Office 2008 Special Media Edition..

Amazon is also offering between $50 and $200 rebates on Apple's entire Mac line through August 25th.

AppleInsider last year published its Road to Mac Office 2008 series covering the new suite and its roots in great detail.[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ] (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=4481)

[sapporobaby]

Apple better pray that it is not a chip problem, and related to software. You can almost taste the class action lawsuits, and return for repair costs that Apple will have to absorb.

[zunx]

The day Mac gets 25% market share, Windows will be history in three years. Windows is maintained mainly because of inertia and user ignorance. Somebody may be nervous at Redmond...

[teckstud]

Apple better pray that it is not a chip problem, and related to software. You can almost taste the class action lawsuits, and return for repair costs that Apple will have to absorb.

It's probably AT&T- they suck. The original iPhone's reception in NYC was never great either.

[TenoBell]

It's probably AT&T- they suck. The original iPhone's reception in NYC was never great either.

On EDGE I mostly always get full bars in NYC.

[teckstud]

On EDGE I mostly always get full bars in NYC.

"Mostly always"- in one of the largest cities in the world? :lol:

[solipsism]

"Mostly always"- in one of the largest cities in the world? :lol:

There are a lot large buildings in NY that aren't friendly to RF.

[ascii]

As a potential buyer, I have been following the various iPhone reception threads.

I have become convinced there is an issue with the iPhone. I know there are many variables in the equation so I was initially skeptical too. But what finally convinced me was those people with two phones. They report that with the same carrier, in the same geographic location, with the same sim, the 3rd party phone works fine but the iPhone drops calls and does not ring when called.

[TenoBell]

"Mostly always"- in one of the largest cities in the world? :lol:

What does that matter, no phone maintains full bars 100% of the time.

[teckstud]

What does that matter, no phone maintains full bars 100% of the time.

And nobody lives forever- right?
Lisaten- I hear up in Harlem the iPhone barely works at all. Even David Pogue of NY Times kept droppping calls on the West side of Manhattan in his intial review of the 3G!
It does matter.

[ascii]

Re: iphone reception, another interesting thing is this Australian thread.
http://forums.mactalk.com.au/47/53900-merged-3g-iphone-reception-problems-worldwide-24.html

It's interesting because there are multiple carriers selling the iPhone over there. One of the carriers (known as Telstra) uses the 850MHz spectrum and all the others use the 2100MHz spectrum.

The customers on the 850 carrier report no problems while the others are getting the dropouts.

[TenoBell]

And nobody lives forever- right?
Lisaten- I hear up in Harlem the iPhone barely works at all. Even David Pogue of NY Times kept droppping calls on the West side of Manhattan in his intial review of the 3G!
It does matter.

I was responding to your comment about the previous phone on EDGE. Now you move on to tests of 3G. It was Walt Mossberg who complained of dropped calls in Manhattan.

[teckstud]

There are a lot large buildings in NY that aren't friendly to RF.

That must be a GSM problem because no CDMA problems wirth Verizon in Manhatan. I guess that's why its so popular here.

[sapporobaby]

What does that matter, no phone maintains full bars 100% of the time.

For the sake of clarity, do you mean that no phone gets 100% reception for 100% of the time or that the strength indicator does not indicate full strength 100% of the time? Because my Nokia's get full strength where the iPhone is down a bar or two.

[sapporobaby]

Re: iphone reception, another interesting thing is this Australian thread.
http://forums.mactalk.com.au/47/53900-merged-3g-iphone-reception-problems-worldwide-24.html

It's interesting because there are multiple carriers selling the iPhone over there. One of the carriers (known as Telstra) uses the 850MHz spectrum and all the others use the 2100MHz spectrum.

The customers on the 850 carrier report no problems while the others are getting the dropouts.

The customers on 850 are not on a 3G network, thus they are probably getting better coverage. 2100 MHZ is a totally different game.

[bwik]

On Office 2008:

Don't most colleges and universities have free Office for their students? So this would be tricking students into buying something they already have free access to?


Furthermore, isn't it fraudulent to call Office 2008 "Microsoft Office" when it has no VBR, no Solver, no Macros, no Microsoft Access, and crashes all the time?

Isn't it time Microsoft introduced Office for the Mac and not the watered-down trojan horse they are presenting passing off as "Office?"

If Word couldn't write any words, would it still be called Word for the Mac? Or would that be misrepresentation? They did the same with Excel. It's missing many critical features. Do students know that, and if so, why do they want Office? What possible value does it offer them?
:???::???::???::???:

[sapporobaby]

That must be a GSM problem because no CDMA problems wirth Verizon in Manhatan. I guess that's why its so popular here.

One reason it is popular is because the normal GSM bands 900 MHZ, 1800 MHZ are used for something else in the US. The rest of the world uses 900 MHZ/1800 MHZ. Not to mention Qualcomm lobbying for its technology over GSM.

[teckstud]

I was responding to your comment about the previous phone on EDGE. Now you move on to tests of 3G. It was Walt Mossberg who complained of dropped calls in Manhattan.


My point was that dropped calls are dropped calls- and both versions have bad AT&T reception. And Walt Mossberg was not complaining- his calls actually dropped!:no:

[justflybob]

I just want to know what the heck "ongregating" means! :lol:

Sounds fun (and dirty)...

[teckstud]

On Office 2008:

Don't most colleges and universities have free Office for their students? So this would be tricking students into buying something they already have free access to?


Furthermore, isn't it fraudulent to call Office 2008 "Microsoft Office" when it has no VBR, no Solver, no Macros, no Microsoft Access, and crashes all the time?

Isn't it time Microsoft introduced Office for the Mac and not the watered-down trojan horse they are presenting passing off as "Office?"

If Word couldn't write any words, would it still be called Word for the Mac? Or would that be misrepresentation? They did the same with Excel. It's missing many critical features. Do students know that, and if so, why do they want Office? What possible value does it offer them?
:???::???::???::???:
????? Microsoft owns Office and can't use its own name? What planet are you from?:lol:
Is it not Adobe Photshop, Lotus Notes, etc, etc??

[calguy]

That must be a GSM problem because no CDMA problems wirth Verizon in Manhatan. I guess that's why its so popular here.

"Can you hear me now?" I have read David Pogue and the test he did in Manhattan and more stories about the poor reception with AT&T compared to Verizon in Manhattan and on some college campuses. But, to make an accurate and realistic diagnosis of what is going on, is there a third party that actually does signal reception tests? Do they have comparisons between the major carriers?

I have had Verizon for many years and I will wait until the contract with AT&T is over and iPhone starts selling with CDMA chips! :D And on a side note, I am an avid Mac user and even that enthusiasm can't bring me over to AT&T if Verizon has been proven to be better for me so far. I have done quite a bit of traveling in the US on the road and it's rare that I didn't get any signal at all.

[sapporobaby]

Just for a mutual understanding, we are talking about cell phones here and not hard lines. Dropped calls, botched handovers, ghost signals, multi-path, etc... are all par for the course with cell phones. From my own experience here in Finland which is arguably one the most advance countries when it comes to cell technology has network dropouts from time to time or poor reception. No network can guarantee 100% call completion or a 100% rate. It is what it is.

[ascii]

The customers on 850 are not on a 3G network [...]

They are in fact on a 3G network, see details below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra#Telstra_Mobile

"Next G, Telstra's primary 3G UMTS mobile network, built between November 2005 and September 2006, opened in October 2006. [...]

The NextG network operating on the 850MHz band was built to replace Telstra's CDMA network which operated from 1999 until April 28, 2008. The 850 MHz band was chosen over the more common 2100 MHz band as it can cover much greater geographic distances for a lower overall investment"

[TenoBell]

For the sake of clarity, do you mean that no phone gets 100% reception for 100% of the time or that the strength indicator does not indicate full strength 100% of the time? Because my Nokia's get full strength where the iPhone is down a bar or two.

Phone indicates full signal strength 100% of the time.

[Mr. H]

The day Mac gets 25% market share, Windows will be history in three years.

:lol: good joke!

[sapporobaby]

They are in fact on a 3G network, see details below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra#Telstra_Mobile

"Next G, Telstra's primary 3G UMTS mobile network, built between November 2005 and September 2006, opened in October 2006. [...]

The NextG network operating on the 850MHz band was built to replace Telstra's CDMA network which operated from 1999 until April 28, 2008. The 850 MHz band was chosen over the more common 2100 MHz band as it can cover much greater geographic distances for a lower overall investment"

Nice catch. Didn't know that. Now I do.

[TenoBell]

"Can you hear me now?" I have read David Pogue and the test he did in Manhattan and more stories about the poor reception with AT&T compared to Verizon in Manhattan and on some college campuses. But, to make an accurate and realistic diagnosis of what is going on, is there a third party that actually does signal reception tests? Do they have comparisons between the major carriers?

I have had Verizon for many years and I will wait until the contract with AT&T is over and iPhone starts selling with CDMA chips! :D And on a side note, I am an avid Mac user and even that enthusiasm can't bring me over to AT&T if Verizon has been proven to be better for me so far. I have done quite a bit of traveling in the US on the road and it's rare that I didn't get any signal at all.

Yes its been well documented that Verizon has better network coverage than AT&T. How good or bad coverage is within any given city really is more conjecture and opinion.

Its highly unlikely the iPhone will ever use CDMA chips. You will have to wait until Verizon switches to an LTE network.

[sapporobaby]

No phone indicates full signal strength 100% of the time.

Well, yeah. That is a given. If I am in a basement, I might get some reception but not 100%.

[Mr. H]

Just for a mutual understanding, we are talking about cell phones here and not hard lines. Dropped calls, botched handovers, ghost signals, multi-path, etc... are all par for the course with cell phones. From my own experience here in Finland which is arguably one the most advance countries when it comes to cell technology has network dropouts from time to time or poor reception. No network can guarantee 100% call completion or a 100% rate. It is what it is.

I think the problem here is that other phones on the same network are dropping calls a lot less often.

However, it's impossible from our perspective, with only anecdotal evidence to go on, to tell if that allegation (iPhone 3G is worse than other phones) is true.

[Mr. H]

????? Microsoft owns Office and can't use its own name? What planet are you from?:lol:
Is it not Adobe Photshop, Lotus Notes, etc, etc??

I think you missed his point.

It wasn't the use of the word Microsoft that he's got a problem with, it's calling the product "Office", when it's so different from the Windows edition of "Office".

I don't agree with that stance though. It's not hard to determine what you're going to get (or not get ;)) before putting your dollars down.

[amac4me]

If the iPhone issue is a quality control problem (ie a production issue), Apple should be able to get it ironed out sooner rather than later.

[sapporobaby]

I think the problem here is that other phones on the same network are dropping calls a lot less often.

However, it's impossible from our perspective, with only anecdotal evidence to go on, to tell if that allegation (iPhone 3G is worse than other phones) is true.

I hear you. I am trying to remain positive but I am a bit worried that it might be a chip issue, and if so, how will Apple fix this.

[sapporobaby]

If the iPhone issue is a quality control problem (ie a production issue), Apple should be able to get it ironed out sooner rather than later.

Great, they fix the next batch of phones but what about the ones that are in the hands of consumers now? They need reparation.

[mdriftmeyer]

"Mostly always"- in one of the largest cities in the world? :lol:

You don't come off being too deeply knowledgeable in RF wave theory and the impedence created by multiple large, dense surface areas requiring a large redundancy of tower nodes just to get a virtual map of continuous coverage.

Now if Apple could not get good 3G Coverage in Eastern WA along the i-90 corridor then you could mock till the cows come home.

[TenoBell]

I hear you. I am trying to remain positive but I am a bit worried that it might be a chip issue, and if so, how will Apple fix this.

If its proven defective hardware, Apple would have to replace the defective phones. Which is why Apple will be in no rush to admit a hardware problem.

[sapporobaby]

If its proven defective hardware, Apple would have to replace the defective phones. Which is why Apple will be in no rush to admit a hardware problem.

While I agree that they would have to fix it, I think it would be best that a third party look into it as I really can not trust Apple to come clean about this. I just don't think they will.

[TenoBell]

While I agree that they would have to fix it, I think it would be best that a third party look into it as I really can not trust Apple to come clean about this. I just don't think they will.

Understandably Apple will look into every option to fix the problem before going to the extreme of replacing a million phones.

But if its proven hardware and Apple fixes it in newer phones, they will have no choice but to replace the older phones or risk a law suit for violating the phones warranty.

[calguy]

Its highly unlikely the iPhone will ever use CDMA chips. You will have to wait until Verizon switches to an LTE network.

Thanks for the info. I just read this article regarding the switch over to LTE. http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8637.html
The technical side of this requires a great deal of testing and so it should. And lets not forget that the extra bandwidths that will be available in 2009 will give the cellular networks more possibilities. They also allow for a greater distance for reception from a cell tower from what I have been reading.

So it may be a longer wait for the 4G network from Verizon and I'll have to wait until 2012. I am very hopefull that by then, Verizon will have the iPhone. It also makes sense that more refinements will have taken place regarding the iPhone, technical and esthetic. I wonder what version of sofware they will be up to then...v6? :lol:

[TenoBell]

Also hopefully by 2012 Verizon will have stopped nickel and dimeing for every service.

[teckstud]

You don't come off being too deeply knowledgeable in RF wave theory and the impedence created by multiple large, dense surface areas requiring a large redundancy of tower nodes just to get a virtual map of continuous coverage.

Now if Apple could not get good 3G Coverage in Eastern WA along the i-90 corridor then you could mock till the cows come home.

You who are so knowledgeable- I happen to live in New York City and have never had a dropped call in 4 years from a CDMA Verizon phone. Mock this.

[teckstud]

Also hopefully by 2012 Verizon will have stopped nickel and dimeing for every service.

I guess you have to pay a premium for great service and lousy phones.;)
And AT&Fee is such a bargain?

[solipsism]

While I agree that they would have to fix it, I think it would be best that a third party look into it as I really can not trust Apple to come clean about this. I just don't think they will.
It's all about the bottom line.

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn't believe.
Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.

[JeffDM]

Just for a mutual understanding, we are talking about cell phones here and not hard lines. Dropped calls, botched handovers, ghost signals, multi-path, etc... are all par for the course with cell phones. From my own experience here in Finland which is arguably one the most advance countries when it comes to cell technology has network dropouts from time to time or poor reception. No network can guarantee 100% call completion or a 100% rate. It is what it is.

How about repeaters? Do you have any experience with repeaters for use inside buildings whose outer walls don't pass the radio signals adequately?

[TenoBell]

I guess you have to pay a premium for great service and lousy phones.;)
And AT&Fee is such a bargain?

Text messaging is the only rip off charge. Otherwise every other function is under a flat rate.

[calguy]

Also hopefully by 2012 Verizon will have stopped nickel and dimeing for every service.

Exactamudo! :D

I am really hoping that the US starts adopting the policy the the world has regarding text messaging. We don't pay for it unless we send it and receiving one is free. Our home phones have had this kind of customer fee for a long time, so why not cellular? Ok, they say they make ton's of $$ with it. It is becoming so great and wide that some land line customers are just giving that up for cellular only. I don't use text now, but I would if they adopted that policy. I don't want to pay for junk text messaging!:no: So I have blocked all text messaging from my phone.

Oh and before I forget.... since I will be waiting for my iPhone for a longer period of time. I will probably pick up an iTouch and use the WiFi. I will tell my friends that they can email detailed information as needed. While on the road (this includes Europe since my phone will not work as much with CDMA), I can find local WiFi networks to get my messages. If the message is important, a phone call is better than a text message anyway.

[stormj]

(1) It must be AT&T's fault.

It might be, but this problem is being reported world-wide by users on Apple's forum alone. That isn't to say that AT&T isn't making it worse, but they are not alone.

(2) Verizon doesn't suffer from these problems because it uses CDMA.

The 3G that AT&T has implemented used Wide CDMA. It's far more likely that hardware and different frequencies make the difference between the two. Old GSM uses TDMA.

[calguy]

As an extra note. I just read that Verizon will be using the new 700mhz spectrum for the new LTE network. They said that at first it will be primarily used for data downloads. Japan has begun testing this with download speeds of up to 400 Mbps. And China is following with adopting LTE.

It looks like I will be able to use my iPhone in more places worldwide by 2012! :)

[bigmc6000]

Yes its been well documented that Verizon has better network coverage than AT&T. How good or bad coverage is within any given city really is more conjecture and opinion.

Its highly unlikely the iPhone will ever use CDMA chips. You will have to wait until Verizon switches to an LTE network.
I'd like to see that documentation because at my old job - not far from downtown Fort Worth - I got absolutely no reception whatsoever with Verizon but got 3-4 bars with AT&T. Call it conjecture and opinion all you want but that's the reality of the situation. It's all about how much the company cares about where you live. AT&T doesn't seem to care enough to become the best service in NYC because, most likely, the cost-benefit analysis doesn't work out in their favor...

[bigmc6000]

I guess you have to pay a premium for great service and lousy phones.;)
And AT&Fee is such a bargain?
Well ya know - Verizon is now charging $2.99 a month for that God-awful implementation of Visual Voicemail so yeah, that counts as both nickel and dimeing. Also, I know this is somewhat beside the point but there are free apps out there on the App Store that are better than any application you can get from the VZStore and their prices are AWFUL.

[onceuponamac]

I've been working in Asia recently - using a 3G iPhone - I haven't been able to get it to jump on to a 3G network in Hong Kong - and could rarely even get an edge data connection in Vietnam and Thailand - even though my Treo worked flawlessly....

I tried to manually set the network in both HK and Thailand and the little wheel just cycles - the phone never shows available networks.... very disappointing... Again - a treo 750 works flawlessly...
:mad::mad::mad: :no:

[iVlad]

Sale before Sept 8? Best buy to start celling iPhone Sept 7? Hmmmm I wonder when Apple will announce the new products???

September 9 anyone?

:)

[jeChe]

I am not sure whose fault it is, but there is an issue with my iphone - the email rarely comes through unless I reboot the thing. I get a full 3g signal here in NY but then sometimes get an error message saying that I'm not on the internet. The first iphone was not like this at all. I'm very unhappy with this thing. So disappointed in Apple.

[sapporobaby]

It's all about the bottom line.

Nice one.

Sorry about the multiple posts. Something hung and posted 3 times.

[sapporobaby]

It's all about the bottom line.

Nice one.

[sapporobaby]

It's all about the bottom line.

Nice one.

[sapporobaby]

How about repeaters? Do you have any experience with repeaters for use inside buildings whose outer walls don't pass the radio signals adequately?

They tend to put the repeaters on the outside of buildings. Being that the repeaters can run up to 5 watts or more, you would not want that sucker anywhere near your body unless you want to produce only girls or go completely steril. :)

Still even with repeaters you can get dropped calls, missed handoever..... It is the nature of the beast.

[sapporobaby]

Text messaging is the only rip off charge. Otherwise every other function is under a flat rate.

And text messages are no strain on the network. They are sent in the SS7 protocol which in turn is used for signaling.

[MyopiaRocks]

I *strongly* recommend one of those "in-depth" AppleInsider articles dedicated to explaining how mobile phones work... I don't mean this condescendingly - it would explain, in plain english:
- How a cell tower uses a mathematical calculation (such as an application of a Kalman Filter) to estimate the location of a user from one cycle to the next.
- That the amount of power needed by the tower & phone is optimized to minimize costs & battery drainage (...maybe the whole article should be a colloquial explanation of Kalman Filters...)
- That the quality of reception, especially pertaining to % likelihood of dropped calls, depends heavily on the quality of the equations, the quality/accuracy of the software programming (turning math into programming language), and (last, but not least) the general hardware implementation.

Only then does the specific hardware of an iphone, or whatever, become relevant. AT&T/Cingular's GSM has always sucked compared to Verizon because of the quality of their algorithms. Their 3G code is an improvement (fewer dropped calls and psycho wtf moments in full-coverage areas), but Verizon's implementation of cdma is extremely stable by comparison.

The specific hardware on the iphone might exaggerate the existing limitations of the network, but no hardware can compensate for a cell tower that routinely (too often) guesses wrong about your location and doesn't compensate for bad estimation by upping the juice.

And yes, a mobile phone tutorial is appropriate here because Apple (all computing) is clearly moving toward wireless, and the basic concepts such an article would explain pertain to all wireless signals (cellphones, wifi, tracking ballistic missiles, etc).

Also: My employer gives out VMWare for free with Office 2007, and it works wonderfully in its segregated windows-world (frankly, better than 2008 did), so I strongly suspect office for mac will eventually just die.

[sapporobaby]

Looks like Apple might be to blame according to information here:

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/international-carriers-blame-apple-for-iphone-3g-problems/

[JeffDM]

They tend to put the repeaters on the outside of buildings. Being that the repeaters can run up to 5 watts or more, you would not want that sucker anywhere near your body unless you want to produce only girls or go completely steril. :)

Still even with repeaters you can get dropped calls, missed handoever..... It is the nature of the beast.

I've found some that are meant for somewhat smaller buildings, I don't think they'd be that powerful at least on the inside antenna. The other antenna would be on the roof. I'm more concerned about signal strength. On the top floor, I usually get a good signal, but on the bottom floor, I get nothing or barely enough signal to register.

[sapporobaby]

I've found some that are meant for somewhat smaller buildings, I don't think they'd be that powerful at least on the inside antenna. The other antenna would be on the roof. I'm more concerned about signal strength. On the top floor, I usually get a good signal, but on the bottom floor, I get nothing or barely enough signal to register.

The thing about 3G antenna is that they are placed lower than normal GSM antenna. This could contribute to signal lost and interference.

[papiti]

:lol:This is not a chipset problem, that's bulls%&t. Before i did the 2.0.1 update I had great reception and no dropped calls, so, please don't try to blame it on a chip. Apple, get your act together and please hurry up with the new update!!!!!!:grumble:

[JeffDM]

The thing about 3G antenna is that they are placed lower than normal GSM antenna. This could contribute to signal lost and interference.

On the tower end of the link?

How about EDGE? I really only need a voice signal. I can use WiFi for data, not that I really use much data right now.

[sapporobaby]

On the tower end of the link?

How about EDGE? I really only need a voice signal. I can use WiFi for data, not that I really use much data right now.

3G antenna or towers are placed lower than normal GSM antenna. Being placed lower is supposed to provide for better signal dispersion but lower can also lead to bumping into buildings and such. I notice that here in Finland some areas have outstanding 3G coverage (completely full signal indicator bars) while sometimes the signal will drop down to one or two.

[sapporobaby]

Looks like this is a pretty big problem with the iPhone.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10016483-37.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5

[McDave]

The day Mac gets 25% market share, Windows will be history in three years. Windows is maintained mainly because of inertia and user ignorance. Somebody may be nervous at Redmond...

Actually somebody left Redmond. He left the steaming pile in good hands though(!)

McD