Off-topic chatter

[jimmac]

Now you dunnit, you got artman banned.


Yes. One of the most talented and knowledgeable persons here.

That's too bad.

[Harald]

Artman banned?

Banned?

BANNED?

Say it's temporary.

[screener]

Artman banned?

Banned?

BANNED?

Say it's temporary.
10 days, permanent if continued infractions.
Because some here have thin skins.
Democracy in action.

[screener]

No, because he violated the revised forums rules established not 2 weeks ago specifically dealing with interactions among forum participants (hopefully discouraging uncivil conduct).

The rule is there to be enforced or it isn't. If it isn't then it's pointless to have it.

It's interesting how many people have taken the stance that the (unjustified...though perhaps not unjustified in their view) name-calling ("troll") is the fault of the callee and not the caller as if to suggest that the caller has no control over his or her actions. Absent from these assumptions is any notion that the caller could have simply ignored the person he was frustrated with, or walked away and come back at a time he was less frustrated, or simply said he wasn't going to answer the questions.




I'm not sure that AI/AO/PO qualifies as a democracy* at all. If it were, the decision would have been put to a vote and the majority would have made the decision.

*I'd be thrilled to see such actions (and others) put to a vote in these forums. I think it would be a wonderful social experiment into what real democracy might look like.
A vote was held here,
http://forums.appleinsider.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=731
in which you voted, remember?
I'd say it had influence on where we are now, attempting to make a political forum an enjoyable experience.
The only forum I've ever trolled that got you banned for calling someone a troll, and another poster, in my opinion, posted something more egregious and the post was deleted, no ban.

And really, chill out, it wasn't what you did in that thread, it's the new rules, that you helped implement.
Just remember, turn on spell checker, calling you on spelling mistakes is still fair game.

[jimmac]

No, because he violated the revised forums rules established not 2 weeks ago specifically dealing with interactions among forum participants (hopefully discouraging uncivil conduct).

The rule is there to be enforced or it isn't. If it isn't then it's pointless to have it.

It's interesting how many people have taken the stance that the (unjustified...though perhaps not unjustified in their view) name-calling ("troll") is the fault of the callee and not the caller as if to suggest that the caller has no control over his or her actions. Absent from these assumptions is any notion that the caller could have simply ignored the person he was frustrated with, or walked away and come back at a time he was less frustrated, or simply said he wasn't going to answer the questions.




I'm not sure that AI/AO/PO qualifies as a democracy* at all. If it were, the decision would have been put to a vote and the majority would have made the decision.

*I'd be thrilled to see such actions (and others) put to a vote in these forums. I think it would be a wonderful social experiment into what real democracy might look like.

Yes! I've been meaning to thank you for editing the offending sentence in the thread about McCain's homes.

[screener]

Yes! I've been meaning to thank you for editing the offending sentence in the thread about McCain's homes.
I'm being willfully ignorant because I don't want to know what offending sentence sslarson edited to save himself from whatever.

[FormerLurker]

No, because he violated the revised forums rules established not 2 weeks ago specifically dealing with interactions among forum participants (hopefully discouraging uncivil conduct).

The rule is there to be enforced or it isn't. If it isn't then it's pointless to have it.

It's interesting how many people have taken the stance that the (unjustified...though perhaps not unjustified in their view) name-calling ("troll") is the fault of the callee and not the caller as if to suggest that the caller has no control over his or her actions. Absent from these assumptions is any notion that the caller could have simply ignored the person he was frustrated with, or walked away and come back at a time he was less frustrated, or simply said he wasn't going to answer the questions.

I'm not sure that AI/AO/PO qualifies as a democracy* at all. If it were, the decision would have been put to a vote and the majority would have made the decision.

*I'd be thrilled to see such actions (and others) put to a vote in these forums. I think it would be a wonderful social experiment into what real democracy might look like.


Basically, the "new" standards have served to excuse trolling, and penalize any direct response to trolling that calls it out for what it is. "Troll" and "Liar" are now personal insults, instead of objections to the content of anyone's posts.

Most people (myself included) with any experience in Forum Moderation would call this "biased in favor of the persistent forum trolls" - or maybe just provide "stupid"* as a one-word description.

It's simply not possible for ONE person to moderate a political sub-fourm without letting their personal biases show.

I don't see any way to fairly "moderate" this forum without empowering a panel consisting of equal numbers of liberals, conservatives, and moderates (I consider myself a "moderate", if anyone was wondering).




*[/expecting a 10-day ban for indirectly calling lundy "stupid"]
;)

[screener]

I'd reconsider thinking about only 10 days, that seems like a permanent thing.
Just saying.

[FormerLurker]

Is AI a governmental organization now, or something?

;)

I hope you do a few years as a government lawyer of some form after graduation.... just so we can hear your take on it!
:p

[FormerLurker]

Oh boy.

I have a few already. This summer it took my fellow intern two months just to get an ID badge. I got mine in the first few weeks. In the elevator one morning, I joked to the Executive Director about getting an ID badge so soon: "Who says government moves slowly?" He laughed and replied, "well it still moves slowly."

Obviously, they wanted you fully ID'd as soon as possible, since you looked so much like a troublemaker.

Maybe the Gov't isn't as incompetent as we like to think.....

:lol:

[addabox]

(flash of blue light, crackling sounds, smell of ozone)

What the hell? Where are we? What happened? Wait....... that sign over there says.....looks like..... "Off....Topic...........Chattel"? That can't be right......no, wait, it's Chatter. Off Topic Chatter.

Dear lord, the mods have transported us to some kind of limbo. Funny, it doesn't look that different.

Oh well. Hey, anyone hear about that plot to kill Obama?

[vinea]

The rule is there to be enforced or it isn't. If it isn't then it's pointless to have it.

Alas, there haven't been enough bannings...

[sammi jo]

(flash of blue light, crackling sounds, smell of ozone)

What the hell? Where are we? What happened? Wait....... that sign over there says.....looks like..... "Off....Topic...........Chattel"? That can't be right......no, wait, it's Chatter. Off Topic Chatter.

Dear lord, the mods have transported us to some kind of limbo. Funny, it doesn't look that different.

Oh well. Hey, anyone hear about that plot to kill Obama?

?

Why would they kill one of their own?

It's usually the good guys who get assassinated....

[giant]

The rule is there to be enforced or it isn't. If it isn't then it's pointless to have it.
Wrong. The important question is: can the boundary be crossed, and if so, what happens then? This is the problem of "boundary conditions''. One approach to induction is to develop a decision tree from a set of examples. When used with noisy rather than deterministic data, the method involve-three main stages—creating a complete tree able to classify all the examples, pruning this tree to give statistical reliability, and processing the pruned tree to improve understandability. After removing the variation attributable to three precipitation variables, the residual variation in the morphological variables is exposed to canonical correlation analysis with a set of 10 environmental and geographic variables. The subsequent modelling can then incorporate this information and obviate the need to carry out special adjustment procedures, which are built into the analysis model directly.

[backtomac]

Wrong. The important question is: can the boundary be crossed, and if so, what happens then? This is the problem of "boundary conditions''. One approach to induction is to develop a decision tree from a set of examples. When used with noisy rather than deterministic data, the method involve-three main stages—creating a complete tree able to classify all the examples, pruning this tree to give statistical reliability, and processing the pruned tree to improve understandability. After removing the variation attributable to three precipitation variables, the residual variation in the morphological variables is exposed to canonical correlation analysis with a set of 10 environmental and geographic variables. The subsequent modelling can then incorporate this information and obviate the need to carry out special adjustment procedures, which are built into the analysis model directly.

Um... maybe they could get a warning before getting banned.:D

[addabox]

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Why would they kill one of their own?

It's usually the good guys who get assassinated....

I think the finer points of "who's really a liberal" may have been lost on the meth crazed white supremacists.

[mydo]

It's not so bad. You get to stay up in your room and play with legos all day.

[addabox]

It's not so bad. You get to stay up in your room and play with legos all day.

When you're a meth crazed white supremacist? Apparently they've done a poor job of talking up the percs.

[screener]

When your a meth crazed white supremacist? Apparently they've done a poor job of talking up the percs.
I thought mydo was talking about his punishment.

[jimmac]

By the way guys as long as we're off topic. In case you were wondering I didn't start this thread.

But someone put my name on it as if I had.

[addabox]

I thought mydo was talking about his punishment.

Maybe. I don't think we can dismiss the possibility that he's letting us in on some of the recreational options available to meth crazed white supremacists.

It's part of the Political Outsider experience, learning about the activities of people from different walks of life.

It's broadening.

[screener]

By the way guys as long as we're off topic. In case you were wondering I didn't start this thread.
It was decided that the McCain=4 more years of G-Dubya thread was being derailed by the question of why Artman was banned and sslarson getting touchy about his part in it so the mod split the thread.

I imagine discussing moderation breaks rule 2 in the guideline, so bite me.

This makes me ask why the thread about who got banned was deleted.
A thread where these questions can be answered and even made fun of is a good idea and questions can be directed to that thread.

So I'm asking, why was that thread deleted?

[screener]

Maybe. I don't think we can dismiss the possibility that he's letting us in on some of the recreational options available to meth crazed white supremacists.

It's part of the Political Outsider experience, learning about the activities of people from different walks of life.

It's broadening.
That almost sounds like a personal attack on mydo.
Wouldn't you have to be an idiot to partake of illegal substances?

[hardeeharhar]

this place feels as divided as the political landscape out there beyond the digital windows. it hardly feels like the community it once was, even when we were hashing it out over the wisdom of iraq and wmds. i don't like this place anymore. i don't like the fact that the political discourse has sunk into an us versus them mentality. i don't like the lack of a meaningful realization that whomever is steering the boat at the end of this year we will all be sunk if it goes wrong.

i don't think it will get better any time soon... and i am not sure i will be around here when it does...

[addabox]

That almost sounds like a personal attack on mydo.
Wouldn't you have to be an idiot to partake of illegal substances?

It all depends. The meth crazed are a can-do peoples, and not to be trifled with.

[screener]

this place feels as divided as the political landscape out there beyond the digital windows. it hardly feels like the community it once was, even when we were hashing it out over the wisdom of iraq and wmds. i don't like this place anymore. i don't like the fact that the political discourse has sunk into an us versus them mentality. i don't like the lack of a meaningful realization that whomever is steering the boat at the end of this year we will all be sunk if it goes wrong.

i don't think it will get better any time soon... and i am not sure i will be around here when it does...
See ya.

[Omega]

Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits.

So what are we doing on Saturday?

[tonton]

Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits.

Some of those sound like good suggestions.

[jimmac]

It was decided that the McCain=4 more years of G-Dubya thread was being derailed by the question of why Artman was banned and sslarson getting touchy about his part in it so the mod split the thread.

I imagine discussing moderation breaks rule 2 in the guideline, so bite me.

This makes me ask why the thread about who got banned was deleted.
A thread where these questions can be answered and even made fun of is a good idea and questions can be directed to that thread.

So I'm asking, why was that thread deleted?

Hum? Well yes I agree with hardeeharhar things have gotten really odd around here.

[screener]

Hum? Well yes I agree with hardeeharhar things have gotten really odd around here.
The question is, in your opinion, when and why did it start getting odd and what to do about it.
Accept, revolt, or like hardeeharhar, delete himself from the forum.

[groverat]

I don't think you have to worry about the guidelines anymore. There is only one rule in PO, no personal attacks against right-wingers.

[groverat]

Basically, the "new" standards have served to excuse trolling, and penalize any direct response to trolling that calls it out for what it is.

I call it "The race to the bottom".

[screener]

I call it "The race to the bottom".
And if you weren't such a horrible, disliked moderator, we wouldn't be here.
Go figure.

[groverat]

My being horrible and disliked has nothing to do with this, thank you very much.

(You seem to think I was pushed out. I wasn't.)

[screener]

My being horrible and disliked has nothing to do with this, thank you very much.

(You seem to think I was pushed out. I wasn't.)
From SDW's lexicon, whatever, here we are.

[jimmac]

The question is, in your opinion, when and why did it start getting odd and what to do about it.
Accept, revolt, or like hardeeharhar, delete himself from the forum.

About the time of trumptman's daily mutiple thread posting I knew something was going to happen. I was hoping for more of a moderate moderation. However given how upset the wingers were with the way things were going ( politically ) this was probably the only likely outcome. The old technique was to derail so much just to get a thread closed. It seems they found a more inclusive method.

I've been here for over 9 years. I registered in 1999 before AI went dark for awhile. The waining days of the Clinton era. This has always been a fun place until recently. However there isn't anything you or I can do about it. This is a privately owned website and as I've said to someone else they can moderate anyway they choose.

I do notice how quiet it's gotten here recently though.

As for hardee's decision.......well nothing lasts forever. I'm really glad I've gotten to meet some really interesting and talented people here. It's really opened my eyes to some things.

I still think Macs are the best made computers on the planet. I was Mac only for over 10 years. I just recently bought my friend's daughter ( really she's like my daughter ) a Macbook ( she's going off to college today sniff, sniff ). A few years ago I did buy myself a windows box because I play alot of video games ( yes the child in this 55 year old ) and as you know the Mac game scene is about the only thing that hasn't improved . Next time I'm thinking of a Powermac with the advent of " Bootcamp " as the windows machine has been all the trouble they've had a reputation for.

I do really think the neocons in Washington DC are done for though ( finally ). Especially with McCain's desperate pick as a VP. So perhaps things in the politcal arena have come full circle. It's about time as I don't think the country could take much more.

I guess why I'm saying these things is at some point they may target me and I wanted a chance to say these things rather than just go out like a light. Appleinsider has been a really big part of my life. You can say it's just an internet forum but I think it's really been a special place and alot of fun. I still can't believe all those pictures Artman came up with! I've really enjoyed posts by Artman, groverat, Giant, fellowship, Franksargent, midwinter, addabox, tonton, and of course yourself screener and many others.

I haven't made my decision quite yet however to paraphrase " All good things...."

[screener]

About the time of trumptman's daily mutiple thread posting I knew something was going to happen. I was hoping for more of a moderate moderation. However given how upset the wingers were with the way things were going ( politically ) this was probably the only likely outcome. The old technique was to derail so much just to get a thread closed. It seems they found a more inclusive method.

I've been here for over 9 years. I registered in 1999 before AI went dark for awhile. The waining days of the Clinton era. This has always been a fun place until recently. However there isn't anything you or I can do about it. This is a privately owned website and as I've said to someone else they can moderate anyway they choose.

I do notice how quiet it's gotten here recently though.

As for hardee's decision.......well nothing lasts forever. I'm really glad I've gotten to meet some really interesting and talented people here. It's really opened my eyes to some things.

I still think Macs are the best made computers on the planet. I was Mac only for over 10 years. I just recently bought my friend's daughter ( really she's like my daughter ) a Macbook ( she's going off to college today sniff, sniff ). A few years ago I did buy myself a windows box because I play alot of video games ( yes the child in this 55 year old ) and as you know the Mac game scene is about the only thing that hasn't improved . Next time I'm thinking of a Powermac with the advent of " Bootcamp " as the windows machine has been all the trouble they've had a reputation for.

I do really think the neocons in Washington DC are done for though ( finally ). Especially with McCain's desperate pick as a VP. So perhaps things in the politcal arena have come full circle. It's about time as I don't think the country could take much more.

I guess why I'm saying these things is at somepoint they may target me and I wanted a chance to say these things rather than just go out like a light. Appleinsider has been a really big part of my life. You can say it's just an internet forum but I think it's really been a special place and alot of fun. I still can't believe all those pictures Artman came up with! I've really enjoyed posts by groverat, Giant, fellowship, Franksargent, midwinter, addabox, tonton, and of course yourself screener and many others.

I haven't made my decision quite yet however to paraphrase " All good things...."
Thanks for replying.
Of course we can do something about it, never give up, the only reason it's quiet is the season.
Letting the "wrong " side get the upper hand isn't the left thing to do and the occasional ban is worth it as long as others are there to continue with the truth.

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[jimmac]

Thanks for replying.
Of course we can do something about it, never give up, the only reason it's quiet is the season.
Letting the "wrong " side get the upper hand isn't the left thing to do and the occasional ban is worth it as long as others are there to continue with the truth.

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" Planet Of The Apes " Charlton Heston's character Taylor to young Lucius.

[mydo]

bum bum bum Another one bites the dust bum bum bum Another one bites the dust ...