No comment. Still not ready.

[tonton]

http://homepage.mac.com/bentonton/ncw1.png

Still not ready to face the press.
Ready to be a candidate?
Ready to be Vice President?
Ready to be President?

http://homepage.mac.com/bentonton/ncw.html

[Outsider]

Hey, maybe they're on to something. If they kept Bush Jr away from the press and giving speeches maybe he would not be such an embarrassment to us as a nation. Although that would only take care one of many issues with this administration...

[groverat]

I was thinking about making a widget to do this, oddly enough.

[trumptman]

HotAir (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/06/and-about-the-palin-bubble/)

Saturday, September 6, 2008
Colorado and New Mexico

10:00am Media Interview
10:30am Satellite into AARP Convention
11:30am Media Interview
12:30pm MT “The Road to Victory Rally”
Colorado Springs, CO
1:45pm MT Depart Colorado
2:50pm MT Arrive NM
3:30pm MT Media Interviews
7:00pm MT “The Road to Victory Rally”
Albuquerque Convention Center

“There’s also this issue that on April 18th, she gave birth to a baby with Down’s Syndrome…. Children with Down’s syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?” John Roberts CNN

“How can a woman run a state and bring up five children at the same time?… I think they have every right to ask that…” Liz Trotta, Media Prof at New School

“Is she prepared for the all-consuming nature of the job? She is the mother of five children, one of them a four-month-old with Down Syndrome. Her first priority has to be her children. When the phone rings at three in the morning and one of her children is really sick what choice will she make?” Sally Quinn, Washington Post

“Adding to the brutality of a national campaign, the Palin family also has an infant with special needs. What leads you, the Senator, and the Governor to believe that one won’t affect the other in the next couple of months?” Bill Weir, Good Morning America

” There is another question though which essentially I’ve heard expressed here many times today and from calls elsewhere, and that is the decision made by Sarah Palin herself, when knowing her daughter’s condition, by accepting John McCain’s offer she guaranteed that her daughter would be known globally as the best known 17-year-old unwed teenager in the world, and that decision many people question… The question of how it affected her daughter is not open to question. It has made her daughter a front-page item for the country.” Mark Shields, PBS

“But there’s also, I think the part of it is the particular dynamic of her family, Megan. Her youngest child, down’s syndrome and now her oldest daughter is pregnant. And there are some moms out there that are angry, that are saying she has put her family unfairly into the spotlight.” Meredith Viera, Today

“Congresswoman, what about the argument that, you know, vice president is a tough job, and that having a four month old baby, who has Down’s Syndrome, that will have special needs, requires extra time, that, that she should be focusing on her four month old, that some people have said that, fairly or unfairly. What do you think of that?’ Norah O’Donnell, MSNBC

Thank goodness all that sexism stuff is just made up.

[groverat]

Where is the sexism in any of that? Everyone one of those questions could be asked of a man. Even so, most of those are the type of meta-questions our media is laziest about.

Regarding those "Media Interviews"... with whom? What was asked? Where are the answers (or the questions for that matter)?


"She has done many interviews."
- "Where are they?"
"Well... she has done many interviews."

[BRussell]

HotAir (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/06/and-about-the-palin-bubble/) Hmm, I looked at that link, and it says that it's Saturday's schedule for McCain and Palin. It's pretty clear that those interviews were of McCain and not Palin - McCain was on Face the Nation on Sunday, for example. On the other hand, if there had been a Palin interview, not only would it have been big news and we'd all have seen it and it would now be on youtube, it would also contradict the stated position of the McCain campaign (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/palin-media-a-2.html) that Palin would not be doing interviews or press conferences.

So why did you post that as if Palin was doing media interviews?

[trumptman]

I think she'll probably agree to the interviews that allow her to wear shoes and don't demand to be shot in her kitchen.

[jimmac]

HotAir (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/06/and-about-the-palin-bubble/)





Thank goodness all that sexism stuff is just made up.

What?:wow:

So I'm not really clear on what you're saying here. That she is too busy to have an interview because of her duties as a mother of a child with Down's syndrome? In which case if she can't do an interview she doesn't have the time to devote to being VP.

Or is it that because she's a mother with a child with special needs it qualifies her for being VP which I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.

Also I don't see any sexism in that quote and how does this address the question of her readiness other than casting doubt.

[groverat]

I think she'll probably agree to the interviews that allow her to wear shoes and don't demand to be shot in her kitchen.

Sarah Palin on "sexism" whining ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Y8FKAsxmk)

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Karen Breslau: When you look at the coverage, when you listen to the conversations, what do you see?

Palin: Well, you know, I think fair or unfair, the...and I do think it is a more concentrated criticism that Hillary gets on so many fronts. I think that's unfortunate, but fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it, really. I mean, you gotta plow through that. You have to know what you're getting into, which...I say this will all due respect to Hillary Clinton and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo also. But when I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or maybe a shaper microscope put on her, I think "man, that doesn't do us any good" - women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country. I don't think it bodes well for her, a statement like that, because again, fair or unfair, it is there. I think that's reality, and I think it's a given. I think people can just accept that she is going to be under that sharper microscope. So be it! I mean, work harder, prove yourself to an even greater degree that you're capable, that you're going to be the best candidate, and that of course is what she wants us to believe at this point. So it bothers me a little bit hearing her bring that attention to herself on that level.

So sexism does exist and Hillary is a victim of it, but if she mentions that fact she's really just whining. She should just work twice as hard to prove herself without ever acknowledging that it is, in fact, unfair. After all, it has never 'done us any good' as women to call out sexism. Just ignore it and it will go away!
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[jimmac]

Hmm, I looked at that link, and it says that it's Saturday's schedule for McCain and Palin. It's pretty clear that those interviews were of McCain and not Palin - McCain was on Face the Nation on Sunday, for example. On the other hand, if there had been a Palin interview, not only would it have been big news and we'd all have seen it and it would now be on youtube, it would also contradict the stated position of the McCain campaign (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/palin-media-a-2.html) that Palin would not be doing interviews or press conferences.

So why did you post that as if Palin was doing media interviews?

After all I just saw Biden on " Meet The Press ". Good interview also.

[trumptman]

What?:wow:

So I'm not really clear on what you're saying here. That she is too busy to have an interview because of her duties as a mother of a child with Down's syndrome? In which case if she can't do an interview she doesn't have the time to devote to being VP.

Or is it that because she's a mother with a child with special needs it qualifies her for being VP which I'm sorry but I don't see the connection.

Also I don't see any sexism in that quote and how does this address the question of her readiness other than casting doubt.

The media currently wants to interview her about sexist topics they are pursuing to tear her down in their liberal interests.

Barack Obama has two young children. Has any newscaster EVER suggested he shouldn't run for the office due to their concerns? Saying a woman shouldn't take the job because she needs to stay home and take care of the kids is about the most sexist assertion one could make.

You don't have to take my word on it. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13129.html)

[BRussell]

I think she'll probably agree to the interviews that allow her to wear shoes and don't demand to be shot in her kitchen. It's great that you, after all the "men's rights" threads you've posted over the years, are now so concerned about sexism against women, but perhaps as a time-out from your heartfelt feminist crusade, do you want to address whether your previous post suggesting that Palin was doing media interviews was accurate or not?

[jimmac]

Sarah Palin on "sexism" whining ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Y8FKAsxmk)

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Karen Breslau: When you look at the coverage, when you listen to the conversations, what do you see?

Palin: Well, you know, I think fair or unfair, the...and I do think it is a more concentrated criticism that Hillary gets on so many fronts. I think that's unfortunate, but fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it, really. I mean, you gotta plow through that. You have to know what you're getting into, which...I say this will all due respect to Hillary Clinton and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo also. But when I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or maybe a shaper microscope put on her, I think "man, that doesn't do us any good" - women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country. I don't think it bodes well for her, a statement like that, because again, fair or unfair, it is there. I think that's reality, and I think it's a given. I think people can just accept that she is going to be under that sharper microscope. So be it! I mean, work harder, prove yourself to an even greater degree that you're capable, that you're going to be the best candidate, and that of course is what she wants us to believe at this point. So it bothers me a little bit hearing her bring that attention to herself on that level.

So sexism does exist and Hillary is a victim of it, but if she mentions that fact she's really just whining. She should just work twice as hard to prove herself without ever acknowledging that it is, in fact, unfair. After all, it has never 'done us any good' as women to call out sexism. Just ignore it and it will go away!
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This is exactly why I think Palin should for the most part be left to the democratic women to counter any idea that it's a guy brow beating a woman. The republicans are desperate it seems and will use any angle at this point.

[trumptman]

After all I just saw Biden on " Meet The Press ". Good interview also.

I saw the first half of that.... (flipped between that and Obama after realizing I missed McCain at 7:30am.)

I have nothing against the guy but he came across as very flat and tired. It seemed he spent half the time almost mumbling.

[groverat]

I have nothing against the guy but he came across as very flat and tired. It seemed he spent half the time almost mumbling.

That's what happens, I suppose, when you actually take questions from reporters trying to grill you and you don't hide from it behind whining about sexism.

[trumptman]

It's great that you, after all the "men's rights" threads you've posted over the years, are now so concerned about sexism against women, but perhaps as a time-out from your heartfelt feminist crusade, do you want to address whether your previous post suggesting that Palin was doing media interviews was accurate or not?

We won't know until those interviews come out. You suggested that the one on Sat was for CBS on Sunday. We don't know what the rest are for and won't until they air.

[groverat]

What interviews?

The Hot Air blog says the schedule was for John McCain and Sarah Palin. How do we know that the interviews weren't just with McCain?

Rick Davis is on record as saying that Palin won't do interviews until she's comfortable.

[jimmac]

The media currently wants to interview her about sexist topics they are pursuing to tear her down in their liberal interests.

Barack Obama has two young children. Has any newscaster EVER suggested he shouldn't run for the office due to their concerns? Saying a woman shouldn't take the job because she needs to stay home and take care of the kids is about the most sexist assertion one could make.

You don't have to take my word on it. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13129.html)


You just cited " Down Syndrome ". That's certainly not a condition every parent faces. It was also used in a question about her ability to do interviews.

I imagine most occupants of the Whitehouse over the years have had children and found a way to deal with both commitments.

So the question remains ( the same questiion Biden was asking this morning on " Meet The Press " ) what are her positions on a number of issues. Practically all we've heard is : We shouldn't vote for Obama because of lack of experience. She's for off shore drilling. She's for staying in Iraq. We should vote for McCain because he's the only on fit to lead.

The rest was a little vague.

Now I'm sorry but rhetoric aside it comes up a little short on the issues.

Hence the need for interviews.

[trumptman]

Exclusive! In his first Sunday morning interview since accepting the Democratic Party's nomination for Vice President, Sen. Joe Biden goes one-on-one with Tom Brokaw live from Wilmington, Delaware. Plus, New York Times columnist Tom Friedman joined us to talk about his new book on climate change and energy, "Hot, Flat, and Crowded." (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608)

Gee you mean Biden didn't go on the first weekend after the convention? He must have been ducking the press.

You know, it's early in the process and the voters are going to make judgments about Sarah Palin and Joe Biden, and--but the truth is they're mostly going to make judgments about Barack Obama and John McCain. Vice presidents are useful, but we're not, we're not determinative.

[trumptman]

You just cited " Down Syndrome ". That's certainly not a condition every parent faces. It was also used in a question about her ability to do interviews.

Huh? I've never heard anyone say Palin couldn't do interviews because she was attending to her infant.

I imagine most occupants of the Whitehouse over the years have had children and found a way to deal with both commitments.

Exactly so why all the questions now? Sexism.

So the question remains ( the same questiion Biden was asking this morning on " Meet The Press " ) what are her positions on a number of issues. Practically all we've heard is : We shouldn't vote for Obama because of lack of experience. She's for off shore drilling. She's for staying in Iraq. We should vote for McCain because he's the only on fit to lead.

The rest was a little vague.

Now I'm sorry but rhetoric aside it comes up a little short on the issues.

Hence the need for interviews

Democratic carping is not the same thing as an interview. Palin's views on many things are already known and will be known to a further degree when the interviewer wants to ask her about issues as opposed to asking her if a woman really should become VP when they really ought to be home raising kids.

[groverat]

Joe Biden was running for president not long ago. He did a ton of interviews and press conferences and took part in many of the 47340 Democratic debates.

And here's Joe's OnTheIssues page (http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/joe_biden.htm), which is full of actual information on his record on many different issues instead of the hilarious fluff that was put on Palin's page so it wouldn't look so empty.

And I greatly encourage everyone to look at this breakdown (http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/issues/vice-presidents/index.html) of Palin vs. Biden on the issues which features... well... some blank spaces for the illustrious governor of Alaska.

Huh? I've never heard anyone say Palin couldn't do interviews because she was attending to her infant.

So why can't she do interviews, then?

[jimmac]

Exclusive! In his first Sunday morning interview since accepting the Democratic Party's nomination for Vice President, Sen. Joe Biden goes one-on-one with Tom Brokaw live from Wilmington, Delaware. Plus, New York Times columnist Tom Friedman joined us to talk about his new book on climate change and energy, "Hot, Flat, and Crowded." (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608)

Gee you mean Biden didn't go on the first weekend after the convention? He must have been ducking the press.

I think he got to it soon enough. At least he got to it and you do know where he stands on a number of issues.

VP are useful and not the main issue. The guy running for the main job is. Which is why I also question this recent idea that Palin is eclipsing McCain. Why because she's a woman? That's kind of sexist! Like Hillary said in her speech. Are you in it for her or the issues?

Where's Palin?

[jimmac]

Huh? I've never heard anyone say Palin couldn't do interviews because she was attending to her infant.



Exactly so why all the questions now? Sexism.



Democratic carping is not the same thing as an interview. Palin's views on many things are already known and will be known to a further degree when the interviewer wants to ask her about issues as opposed to asking her if a woman really should become VP when they really ought to be home raising kids.


Palin's views on many things are already known How does she for intance feel about how Iraq should be handled? Biden was pretty clear in his interview this morning and faced some good questions by Brokaw on the subject. I have yet to see Palin do that.

Do tell? Enquiring minds want to know.

[BRussell]

Exclusive! In his first Sunday morning interview since accepting the Democratic Party's nomination for Vice President, Sen. Joe Biden goes one-on-one with Tom Brokaw live from Wilmington, Delaware. Plus, New York Times columnist Tom Friedman joined us to talk about his new book on climate change and energy, "Hot, Flat, and Crowded." (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608)

Gee you mean Biden didn't go on the first weekend after the convention? He must have been ducking the press.Man, I'm sorry Nick, but this is just dishonest. It was his first "Sunday morning interview?" Yeah, but he was on 60 Minutes last week - you know, Sunday evening. You know him, he'll talk and talk to anyone who will listen.

And it's also dishonest to post a McCain/Palin schedule that includes "media interviews" to suggest that Palin is doing interviews when the McCain campaign has explicitly said she isn't doing interviews.

[trumptman]

I think he got to it soon enough. At least he got to it and you do know where he stands on a number of issues.

VP are useful and not the main issue. The guy running for the main job is. Which is why I also question this recent idea that Palin is eclipsing McCain. Why because she's a woman? That's kind of sexist! Like Hillary said in her speech. Are you in it for her or the issues?

Where's Palin?

The point is that Biden did not interview on the Sunday shows in the same time frame as we are discussing for Palin and you and no one else accused him of ducking the press. We hear about McCain being a zillion years old when Biden is 6 years younger and is a "seasoned citizen" as well. We hear talk about Palin's hair, clothes and glasses and none about Biden's hair plugs and spray tan.

It is ridiculous to complain about not knowing issues when the media, in a frenzy doesn't want to inquire about issues but about crap. Not even good or interesting crap like did you like the pot when you tried it Mrs. Palin? Instead they want to show their rage about their messiah being challenged, toss their principles to the wind and attack Palin about why she isn't June Cleaver. It is nonsense.

George Ste... screw spelling that was interviewing Obama today and they had a very cute exchange about Palin having lead her basketball team to the state championship and whether she or Obama would win in a game of HORSE or other basketball challenge. It wasn't an important issue and Obama was asked several substantive questions before it. However it shows the respect that Obama is accorded that Palin is not. It was cute, nice and very humanizing. Asking if your son is really your grandson, about kids that are off limits by informal rules and also by the demands of both campaigns, etc. means the media just doesn't get it yet. Perhaps a few have and we will see those interviews. I want to see them too.

I have no doubt that this woman will continue to persuade and will bring more voters to the Republican ticket. She has done so in the past and I have no doubt about the future. The media in their bias forgot the ground rules. When they remember them, the interviews will happen.

[trumptman]

Man, I'm sorry Nick, but this is just dishonest. It was his first "Sunday morning interview?" Yeah, but he was on 60 Minutes last week - you know, Sunday evening. You know him, he'll talk and talk to anyone who will listen.

And it's also dishonest to post a McCain/Palin schedule that includes "media interviews" to suggest that Palin is doing interviews when the McCain campaign has explicitly said she isn't doing interviews.

The claim was that she wasn't doing the Sunday morning talk shows while the other three were. If you don't like the characterization, take it up with MTP. It is quoted verbatim from their website.

Can you quote for me the campaign saying she won't do interviews? Hot Air hit on this meme. (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/05/a-palin-cone-of-silence/)

[groverat]

trumptman:

The point is that Biden did not interview on the Sunday shows in the same time frame as we are discussing for Palin and you and no one else accused him of ducking the press.

No one has accused Joe Biden of ducking the press because Joe Biden hasn't been ducking the press. He's been doing in-depth interviews and press conferences on national and international issues since the 1980s.

I am confused by this line of defense.

We hear talk about Palin's hair, clothes and glasses and none about Biden's hair plugs and spray tan.

This sentence is incoherent.

It is ridiculous to complain about not knowing issues when the media, in a frenzy doesn't want to inquire about issues but about crap.

What evidence do you have for your assertion that the media doesn't want to ask her substantive questions?

It is nonsense.

Something here is nonsense, that is certain.

It wasn't an important issue and Obama was asked several substantive questions before it. However it shows the respect that Obama is accorded that Palin is not.

How on earth can you compare Obama interviews to Palin interviews when Palin hasn't done any interviews?

You're claiming the interviews are unfair before she even does them. :lol:

[BRussell]

The claim was that she wasn't doing the Sunday morning talk shows while the other three were. If you don't like the characterization, take it up with MTP. It is quoted verbatim from their website. Their characterization was just fine: The first sunday morning talk show interview with him since his selection. We all know that those 4 sunday morning shows compete with each other, and MTP scored the first one with Biden. What was dishonest was your presentation of it: "Gee you mean Biden didn't go on the first weekend after the convention? He must have been ducking the press." He did go on the first weekend, on 60 minutes, and no one believes he doesn't talk to the press because he needs to be briefed on the issues first.

Can you quote for me the campaign saying she won't do interviews? Hot Air hit on this meme. (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/05/a-palin-cone-of-silence/) I did above, and the appropriately-named Hot Air, where you got this dishonesty about the McCain/Palin schedule of media interviews, also has a McCain campaign response in it.

It's just one dishonest talking point after another, and when one gets shot down, it's right on to the next one.

[groverat]

It's not "right on to the next one", it's "continue with the same one that just got shot down".

[addabox]

The point is that Biden did not interview on the Sunday shows in the same time frame as we are discussing for Palin and you and no one else accused him of ducking the press. We hear about McCain being a zillion years old when Biden is 6 years younger and is a "seasoned citizen" as well. We hear talk about Palin's hair, clothes and glasses and none about Biden's hair plugs and spray tan.

The McCain campaign specifically announced that Palin was embargoed till she was ready. Talking about "time frames" when a Democrat didn't appear on a talk show for a few days is a very obvious attempt at irrelevant distraction.

To the extent that the media talks about Palin's hair, clothes and glasses when they don't talk about a male candidate's looks, it is, in fact, sexist. Are you saying that Palin should get a pass on being questioned on the issues because there is sexism in the media? I guess the pit bull with lip stick isn't such a bad ass after all. Maybe Hillary could give her a few tips.

It is ridiculous to complain about not knowing issues when the media, in a frenzy doesn't want to inquire about issues but about crap. Not even good or interesting crap like did you like the pot when you tried it Mrs. Palin? Instead they want to show their rage about their messiah being challenged, toss their principles to the wind and attack Palin about why she isn't June Cleaver. It is nonsense.

Quite a rant. However, for every passing reference to Plain's glasses or having a special needs child, I see 20 or 30 stories about her abuse of power problems, her mischaracterization of her record, and questions about her qualifications. I understand why you want to pretend like there is a "frenzy" around "sexist" attacks, because that's easier to defend against than the real questions about her track record.

BTW, I seem to recall you being a big proponent of the "fair game" principle, wherein anything foregrounded by the by the candidate becomes legitimate fodder for attack. Are we to assume you no longer believe that, or can we expect you to continue to adopt and shed "values" for strategic purposes or as the mood strikes?

George Ste... screw spelling that was interviewing Obama today and they had a very cute exchange about Palin having lead her basketball team to the state championship and whether she or Obama would win in a game of HORSE or other basketball challenge. It wasn't an important issue and Obama was asked several substantive questions before it. However it shows the respect that Obama is accorded that Palin is not. It was cute, nice and very humanizing. Asking if your son is really your grandson, about kids that are off limits by informal rules and also by the demands of both campaigns, etc. means the media just doesn't get it yet. Perhaps a few have and we will see those interviews. I want to see them too.

How would you know what kind of respect interviewers would afford Palin, given that she hasn't given any?

And if the "press" is so enamored of Obama, why did they spend a good long time grilling him about flag pins and whether or not he puts his hand on his heart when he says the pledge of allegiance and if he truly loves America and if his wife truly loves America?

You have your little theory about press bias, but it requires extensive amounts of amnesia. I guess you have the ability to will away evidence, I don't.

I have no doubt that this woman will continue to persuade and will bring more voters to the Republican ticket. She has done so in the past and I have no doubt about the future. The media in their bias forgot the ground rules. When they remember them, the interviews will happen.

Yeah. And if she becomes vice president she can use the justice department as a political tool, stepping into her Cheney shoes, and if anyone asks any questions she can remind them that they've "forgotten the rules" and have another rally.

[groverat]

Palin will do her first interview about two weeks after she was selected. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/07/palin-offers-first-interview-with-national-media/)

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — Republican vice presidential running mate Sarah Palin is offering her first televised interview to ABC News in the coming week in Alaska.

Palin, the surprise pick of Republican presidential nominee John McCain, has been giving campaign speeches alongside the Arizona senator since the GOP convention but has not sat down for an interview about her views.

A McCain-Palin adviser says an interview was offered to ABC's Charlie Gibson several days ago and that they expect it to happen in the latter part of the week in Alaska. Palin is the governor of Alaska and is expected to return home at midweek after more joint appearances with McCain.

Let's see if Charlie is going to be a horrible sexist and ask her about issues or a fair journalists and ask her why she thinks she's so great.

[trumptman]

Their characterization was just fine: The first sunday morning talk show interview with him since his selection. We all know that those 4 sunday morning shows compete with each other, and MTP scored the first one with Biden. What was dishonest was your presentation of it: "Gee you mean Biden didn't go on the first weekend after the convention? He must have been ducking the press." He did go on the first weekend, on 60 minutes, and no one believes he doesn't talk to the press because he needs to be briefed on the issues first.

The claim was about Sunday morning talk shows so that is what I addressed. The other three members of the various party platforms were not on 60 minutes last week. The claim was about Sunday morning talk shows to try to contrast what the other three were doing versus Palin.

I did above, and the appropriately-named Hot Air, where you got this dishonesty about the McCain/Palin schedule of media interviews, also has a McCain campaign response in it.

It's just one dishonest talking point after another, and when one gets shot down, it's right on to the next one.

That doesn't say anything about her not doing interviews or no appearances. Quote the text please.

[groverat]

The claim was about Sunday morning talk shows so that is what I addressed.

No, the claim is/was that she hasn't done any interviews and the Sunday morning shows were used explicitly as an example (even featuring the phrase "for example" when BRussell posted it today at 11:33 AM).

You have argued multiple, contradicting things...

You have argued that she has done interviews.
You have argued that she hasn't done interviews because the press is sexist.

Choose an argument.

[jimmac]

The point is that Biden did not interview on the Sunday shows in the same time frame as we are discussing for Palin and you and no one else accused him of ducking the press. We hear about McCain being a zillion years old when Biden is 6 years younger and is a "seasoned citizen" as well. We hear talk about Palin's hair, clothes and glasses and none about Biden's hair plugs and spray tan.

It is ridiculous to complain about not knowing issues when the media, in a frenzy doesn't want to inquire about issues but about crap. Not even good or interesting crap like did you like the pot when you tried it Mrs. Palin? Instead they want to show their rage about their messiah being challenged, toss their principles to the wind and attack Palin about why she isn't June Cleaver. It is nonsense.

George Ste... screw spelling that was interviewing Obama today and they had a very cute exchange about Palin having lead her basketball team to the state championship and whether she or Obama would win in a game of HORSE or other basketball challenge. It wasn't an important issue and Obama was asked several substantive questions before it. However it shows the respect that Obama is accorded that Palin is not. It was cute, nice and very humanizing. Asking if your son is really your grandson, about kids that are off limits by informal rules and also by the demands of both campaigns, etc. means the media just doesn't get it yet. Perhaps a few have and we will see those interviews. I want to see them too.

I have no doubt that this woman will continue to persuade and will bring more voters to the Republican ticket. She has done so in the past and I have no doubt about the future. The media in their bias forgot the ground rules. When they remember them, the interviews will happen.

That's nice. What about her views?

[groverat]

What views are you asking about, SEXIST!?!?!? HER VIEWS ON COOKIE RECIPES YOU SEXIST!!!!!???!

[trumptman]

That's nice. What about her views?

She can certainly put her views out there with or without the media. There could be press releases, speeches, and I'm sure there will be interviews as well when the parties care to discuss positions instead of discussing her pregnant daughter or if Trig is her son.

[@_@ Artman]

http://www.gneil.com/images/products/1slF0239ED.jpg

[groverat]

There could be press releases, speeches, and I'm sure there will be interviews as well when the parties care to discuss positions instead of discussing her pregnant daughter or if Trig is her son.

Has anyone asked her about those things before? If not, why do you keep saying that it has happened?

[addabox]

My God, look at this sexist attack in the Washington Monthly:

ABC's Political Punch reports on Sarah Palin's speech today:

"She said she "championed reform of earmark spending by Congress, and I told the Congress thanks but no thanks on that 'Bridge to Nowhere'", she said, ommiting (sic) mention that she'd campaigned for governor supporting the bridge."
I take it most readers of this blog will know that this is a flat-out lie.

When politicians lie -- and here I mean not just putting the best spin on things, but out and out lying -- they might as well walk up to each and every one of us and say: Hello! I have no respect for the value of your time! You might have other things to do -- work, playing with your kids, taking a long hike in the mountains, whatever -- but I don't care. I'm going to put you in a position where you're going to have to research everything I say, or else just give up on your civic duty. You don't get to assume that my words are, if not exactly true, at least somewhere in the general vicinity of the truth, and decide whether or not to vote for me. If you want to be an informed citizen, you'll have to become obsessive, like hilzoy.

They might as well add: I have no respect for democracy. In a democracy, citizens listen to what each side has to say and decide who to vote for. To work, it requires that what each side says bears some resemblance to the truth. If I cared about democracy, I'd respect those limits -- maybe stretching the truth every now and then, but generally maintaining some sort of relationship between what I say and reality. But guess what? I don't care about democracy! If winning requires that I make things up out of whole cloth and hope that I'm successful enough to frustrate the popular will, then that's what I'll do. Don't like it? Think democracy is a good system, one that we should cherish? That's just too bad.

But Palin has gone beyond this. She is not just telling lies; she's telling lies that have been exposed as lies, and that have gotten a lot of attention. Assuming she does not actually want to lose, she must assume that her audience either doesn't know that she's lying, or doesn't care. In either case, it's deeply cynical, and deeply insulting.

I just hope she isn't right.

Note the sneering attacks on her taste in clothes and the dark insinuations that she can't be a mommy and vice president at the same time.

Why would Sarah Palin subject herself to this kind of "journalism"? Being asked to explain why she repeatedly mischaracterizes her record is tantamount to telling her girls aren't allowed to be vice president.

Thanks God she's going to wait till the media learns its lesson and stops asking such completely out of bound questions.

[jimmac]

She can certainly put her views out there with or without the media. There could be press releases, speeches, and I'm sure there will be interviews as well when the parties care to discuss positions instead of discussing her pregnant daughter or if Trig is her son.


Given the nature of this situation ( Everyone else is well known ) and the election only being 58 days away this issue of her views is kind of shall we say time sensitive. And about sexist issues ( issues that don't belong in a serious discussion of the candidate ) lets talk about Obama's middle name again!:no:

Don't try to claim stupid mudslinging doesn't exist on the republican side. Where are you getting your comparitive standards from?

A guy at work brought this one up and I just had to laugh thinking that maybe if you play one of Obama's speeches backwards it says : " I'm really Saddam's brother! ".

Geez!

:rolleyes:

The thing about Palin is it was easy to predict McSames pick for VP. I did it ahead of time as a matter of fact. Kind of transparent. Her posture on the issues right now seems a little vacant. If you put this together with the questionable pick and the whole thing it seems kind of half baked.

The burden of proof otherwise is on her and the clock's tickng.

[addabox]

Has anyone asked her about those things before? If not, why do you keep saying that it has happened?

I'm curious about that, as well. Has any actual journalist actually asked Sarah Palin about the paternity of her son?

If there is a pattern of sexist questioning in the press, why is it necessary to use a fictional example to make the point? I would have thought anyone with a sound case to make would have plenty of real life examples.

(Rereads Washington Monthly article). Ah- I get it. Just emulating your hero.

[Bergermeister]

Posted this elsewhere, but it needs to be here:

Quoted form the Alaskan Daily News, from October 28, 20006:

Ms. Palin has undeniable charisma and outsider appeal, but she has little statewide experience and a weak command of the issues she would need to master as governor -- a flaw she conceals by routinely skipping campaign forums with her opponents.


http://dwb.adn.com/opinion/v-printer/story/8356270p-8251776c.html

Palin has a pattern of going missing before elections.

[jimmac]

Posted this elsewhere, but it needs to be here:

Quoted form the Alaskan Daily News, from October 28, 20006:

Ms. Palin has undeniable charisma and outsider appeal, but she has little statewide experience and a weak command of the issues she would need to master as governor -- a flaw she conceals by routinely skipping campaign forums with her opponents.


http://dwb.adn.com/opinion/v-printer/story/8356270p-8251776c.html

Palin has a pattern of going missing before elections.

As Mr. Spock would say : " Fascinating ".

[jimmac]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6bda020b0f

;):lol:

[Bergermeister]

ABC must have hit home with their talk of what a democracy is:

She agrees to an interview.... next week.


http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h21ZbzgPbTVRftcJPT5vkHkonY5QD9320U780

[groverat]

I hadn't seen that from McCain before...

"And she was a member of the PTA, I think that's wonderful."

"Are you fucking kidding me?", indeed.

[jimmac]

I hadn't seen that from McCain before...



"Are you fucking kidding me?", indeed.

;):lol:

[@_@ Artman]

As Mr. Spock would say : " Fascinating ".

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/artman46/fascinating1ts.jpg

:smokey:

[mydo]

Is than an "after" smoke?

Bow chika bow wow.

[jimmac]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/artman46/fascinating1ts.jpg

:smokey:

Is that Nurse Chapel with Uhura?:lol:

[trumptman]

Bretbart (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93225VG1&show_article=1&catnum=0)

Later, a McCain-Palin adviser said Sunday that an interview was offered several days ago to Charles Gibson of ABC News. The adviser spoke on condition of anonymity because an official announcement had not been made.

"Why would we want to throw Sarah Palin into a cycle of piranhas called the news media that have nothing better to ask questions about than her personal life and her children?" Davis said. "So until at which point in time we feel like the news media is going to treat her with some level of respect and deference, I think it would be foolhardy to put her out into that kind of environment."

Bingo.

[jimmac]

Bretbart (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93225VG1&show_article=1&catnum=0)





Bingo.

Well then so much for her chances at VP.

[midwinter]

Bingo.

I'm going to start using that excuse for not engaging in any activity I don't want to.

"I'm not going to deliver that paper at a conference. All the audience will do is ask me stupid questions unrelated to the paper."

That has got to be the most lousy excuse I have ever heard for embargoing a politician. Bush isn't going to conduct any interviews because the reporters will only want to talk about his package in that aircraft landing photo. Obama isn't going to do any interviews because the press will only want to ask him questions about his ears.

Or something.

[trumptman]

I'm going to start using that excuse for not engaging in any activity I don't want to.

"I'm not going to deliver that paper at a conference. All the audience will do is ask me stupid questions unrelated to the paper."

That has got to be the most lousy excuse I have ever heard for embargoing a politician. Bush isn't going to conduct any interviews because the reporters will only want to talk about his package in that aircraft landing photo. Obama isn't going to do any interviews because the press will only want to ask him questions about his ears.

Or something.

Not just stupid questions, but deeply off-topic and personal questions.

You can call it lousy Mid, but I will personally argue for your right to do it. If a time ever comes that when you present your paper and the first questions from the audience have to do with your genealogy and perhaps whether you were the progeny of cousins, or how can you write and present a paper when you have plants and pets to care for, when you leave the stage and tell them to fuck off, I'll be applauding your actions the loudest.

Where's the slow clapping smilie?

[midwinter]

The problem, of course, is that there is no evidence to support the claim that those would be the questions. And considering she has not given any interviews, there is no way to know. The only claims about the inappropriateness of the questions are coming from conjecture by Team Palin™, which most certainly stands to benefit from characterizing her as a woman abused by a sexist media.

[trumptman]

The problem, of course, is that there is no evidence to support the claim that those would be the questions. And considering she has not given any interviews, there is no way to know. The only claims about the inappropriateness of the questions are coming from conjecture by Team Palin™, which most certainly stands to benefit from characterizing her as a woman abused by a sexist media.

Well when the stories they have been running all are along one narrative that they have crafted, it makes sense that the question they want to ask will fit that narrative. I call that proof. You can call it whatever you want. The alternative is to wait until her actions, things like giving her speech and stumping have helped established a narrative other than the one Obama and the media surrogates want to establish.

If the last several stories put forward by the group that happens to ask you to present are all about (pissing in the wind here) how people fascinated with Victorian era periodicals are really pedophiles, and they ask you to come speak on your love of such literature, you are pardoned for telling them to go screw themselves, at least you would be by me.

Both campaigns have declared the minors off limits. The New York Times runs three, page one articles on Bristol Palin and then we somehow have to claim ignorance in their motivations for an interview? The sexist quotes I've posted aren't just from one source they are from ABCnews, CNN, Washington Post, etc.

However let me give you some credit here, clearly I've missed all the stories that seek a true understanding of the Palin positions and present them as best as they can hoping to fill in the blanks later. I guess I missed them amidst the "her husband belonged to the following political parties, had the following fines and got a DUI X number of years ago but Michelle Obama is off-limits" stories.

[midwinter]

Well when the stories they have been running

And now we're back to earlier in this thread.

[trumptman]

So the contention is that past actions are not predictive of present motivations.

Why ask any questions of any of the candidates then? I mean the past isn't predictive according to the reasoning here.

/me - They've run 10 stories on why her family is an inbred bunch of bikini-wearing, gun totting slut-bags.

/media scumbags - Yes but we just really want to know where she stands on the "issues."

/me - Your previous articles don't indicate a desire to inform in that regard.

/media scumbags - Yes, but you can't prove that. Past actions don't indicate our present or future behaviors or judgments.

/me - But you are claiming to want to interview her about her past actions, behaviors and judgments to try to inform us about her present and future stands on issues, behaviors and judgments. You just said that the past doesn't indicate anything about that.

/media scumbags (exploding) Listen, we know it doesn't make sense but just give us the woman so we can discuss her shoes, her glasses and whether she or her daughter is the bigger whore. Damn you!

/me http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2731626685_913f912284_o.jpg

If the media past behavior can't predict their present actions or motivations, then how can them asking questions to Palin about her past behaviors explain her present or future actions or motivations? The rule has to apply to both or none.

[jimmac]

Well here we go.

This should be enlightening.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/07/palin-to-give-first-television-interview-to-national-media/

Palin to give first television interview to national media


CNN confirms that Palin will sit down with Charles Gibson of ABC News later this week; the exact date has yet to be announced.




UPDATE, 3:15 p.m.: CNN Correspondent Dana Bash has confirmed additional details about the upcoming interview: According to a McCain aide, the plan is for Gibson to have time with Palin over two days — Thursday and Friday of this coming week. The interview will be part sit-down, part walk-and-talk at various locations in Alaska.

[midwinter]

I say again:

The only claims about the inappropriateness of the questions are coming from conjecture by Team Palin™, which most certainly stands to benefit from characterizing her as a woman abused by a sexist media.

[trumptman]

I say again:

The only claims about the inappropriateness of the questions are coming from conjecture by Team Palin™, which most certainly stands to benefit from characterizing her as a woman abused by a sexist media.

The fact that they aren't coming from Democrats is why they have a potential 18 million voter problem.

[hardeeharhar]

The fact that they aren't coming from Democrats is why they have a potential 18 million voter problem.


I guess Biden has nothing at all to do with the Democrats:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/09/04/nets-push-biden-get-tough-biden-says-press-has-been-sexist-unfair-palin


Nick, the democrats aren't propagating any sexist comments -- the conservative blogosphere/mccain campaign are...

[trumptman]

I guess Biden has nothing at all to do with the Democrats:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/09/04/nets-push-biden-get-tough-biden-says-press-has-been-sexist-unfair-palin


Nick, the democrats aren't propagating any sexist comments -- the conservative blogosphere/mccain campaign are...

Maybe you should try the quote feature. I have no idea to what part of the article you are referring.

The site did have a good point in another article I looked at while there.

It notes the strange convoluted logic about how Hillary voters won't be fooled into voting for Palin since they know her positions are not in agreement with their positions, while also claiming that nobody knows Palin's positions so we need the media to beat on her some more real quick now to find out her positions.

So which is it? Do we know Palin's positions and thus the Hillary voters wont bolt since they know she won't represent their interests, or is she a blank slate, and empty pantsuit that will get by on empty platitudes like HOPE™ and CHANGE™...um... uh..uh..um.. (sorry my teleprompter was stuck) um... I mean platitudes like I'm a maverick reformer and thus win over the Hilllary voters?

[midwinter]

The fact that they aren't coming from Democrats is why they have a potential 18 million voter problem.

I don't know what that means. I say again, the only people I'm seeing talk about this are conservatives. Where are the teeming masses of articles arguing that Palin should stay home and tend her kids and stop being so ambitious? As I said, I saw the one in the Times, which in turn only referred to "many liberals" without quoting them and I believe there was another one. But I read my news as much as the next guy, and I'm just not seeing these horrible treatments of Palin.

Hell, there was a HUGE spread in my local paper today (I think coming from the AP) about Palin, her background, and what we know about her policies. It mentioned the scandal, because it's something that's been in the news. But it only took up about a paragraph in a 4 column, full page story.

[groverat]

At some point the "sexism" dodge will fail and Palin will have to be vetted like the other 3 were.

The victim card is powerful, but it is short-lived and is prone to backlash.

[Outsider]

Nick, the democrats aren't propagating any sexist comments -- the conservative blogosphere/mccain campaign are...

They are the experts at it.

[jimmac]

Maybe you should try the quote feature. I have no idea to what part of the article you are referring.

The site did have a good point in another article I looked at while there.

It notes the strange convoluted logic about how Hillary voters won't be fooled into voting for Palin since they know her positions are not in agreement with their positions, while also claiming that nobody knows Palin's positions so we need the media to beat on her some more real quick now to find out her positions.

So which is it? Do we know Palin's positions and thus the Hillary voters wont bolt since they know she won't represent their interests, or is she a blank slate, and empty pantsuit that will get by on empty platitudes like HOPE™ and CHANGE™...um... uh..uh..um.. (sorry my teleprompter was stuck) um... I mean platitudes like I'm a maverick reformer and thus win over the Hilllary voters?

Heh! You might want to read this :

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/tim_shipman/blog/2008/08/30/sarah_palin_fails_to_impress_in_hillary_clintons_h eartland

[groverat]

Even FOXNews sees through the Palin bullshit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG7WGVmVl-4&NR=1)

[addabox]

Is there anything at all that Republicans have to offer, at this point, that isn't based on a lie?

Reasons for voting for them, reasons for voting against Democrats, the nature of the country, the nature of the world, simple facts, complex ideologies....... there doesn't seem to be anything in there that's, you know, true.

Is there some ideological imperative I'm missing that makes lying to my face, all the time about everything, an attractive political trait?

[mydo]

At some point the "sexism" dodge will fail and Palin will have to be vetted like the other 3 were.

The victim card is powerful, but it is short-lived and is prone to backlash.

Let the vetting begin! (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5744939)

[addabox]

Even FOXNews sees through the Palin bullshit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG7WGVmVl-4&NR=1)

Chris Wallace is such a sexist. All he did is pepper Davis with questions about Palin's vagina.

[midwinter]

Is there anything at all that Republicans have to offer, at this point, that isn't based on a lie?

Reasons for voting for them, reasons for voting against Democrats, the nature of the country, the nature of the world, simple facts, complex ideologies....... there doesn't seem to be anything in there that's, you know, true.

Is there some ideological imperative I'm missing that makes lying to my face, all the time about everything, an attractive political trait?

They are really, really good at mocking Democrats.

[trumptman]

I don't know what that means. I say again, the only people I'm seeing talk about this are conservatives. Where are the teeming masses of articles arguing that Palin should stay home and tend her kids and stop being so ambitious? As I said, I saw the one in the Times, which in turn only referred to "many liberals" without quoting them and I believe there was another one. But I read my news as much as the next guy, and I'm just not seeing these horrible treatments of Palin.

Hell, there was a HUGE spread in my local paper today (I think coming from the AP) about Palin, her background, and what we know about her policies. It mentioned the scandal, because it's something that's been in the news. But it only took up about a paragraph in a 4 column, full page story.

I posted all these earlier in the thread.

“There’s also this issue that on April 18th, she gave birth to a baby with Down’s Syndrome…. Children with Down’s syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?” John Roberts CNN

“How can a woman run a state and bring up five children at the same time?… I think they have every right to ask that…” Liz Trotta, Media Prof at New School

“Is she prepared for the all-consuming nature of the job? She is the mother of five children, one of them a four-month-old with Down Syndrome. Her first priority has to be her children. When the phone rings at three in the morning and one of her children is really sick what choice will she make?” Sally Quinn, Washington Post

“Adding to the brutality of a national campaign, the Palin family also has an infant with special needs. What leads you, the Senator, and the Governor to believe that one won’t affect the other in the next couple of months?” Bill Weir, Good Morning America

” There is another question though which essentially I’ve heard expressed here many times today and from calls elsewhere, and that is the decision made by Sarah Palin herself, when knowing her daughter’s condition, by accepting John McCain’s offer she guaranteed that her daughter would be known globally as the best known 17-year-old unwed teenager in the world, and that decision many people question… The question of how it affected her daughter is not open to question. It has made her daughter a front-page item for the country.” Mark Shields, PBS

“But there’s also, I think the part of it is the particular dynamic of her family, Megan. Her youngest child, down’s syndrome and now her oldest daughter is pregnant. And there are some moms out there that are angry, that are saying she has put her family unfairly into the spotlight.” Meredith Viera, Today

“Congresswoman, what about the argument that, you know, vice president is a tough job, and that having a four month old baby, who has Down’s Syndrome, that will have special needs, requires extra time, that, that she should be focusing on her four month old, that some people have said that, fairly or unfairly. What do you think of that?’ Norah O’Donnell, MSNBC

Oh yeah... and the NY Times as you noted.:lol:

[midwinter]

I posted all these earlier in the thread.



Oh yeah... and the NY Times as you noted.:lol:

Those people are all dicks for asking those questions. And one of them isn't the "press." But I commend you for quoting no doubt hard-hitting reporting from GMA and Today.

And on closer inspection, the Shields question is legit, I think, since he's asking "Why would she think that running for office with an unwed teenage mother to be would be a good idea?"

Edit:

Haha! Dana Bash got that question from John Roberts and responded with this:

Bash replied: "That's a very good question, and, I guess -- my guess is that perhaps the line inside the McCain campaign would be, if it were a man being picked who also had a baby, but, you know, four months ago with Down syndrome, would you ask the same question?"

[mydo]

Chris Wallace is such a sexist. All he did is pepper Davis with questions about Palin's vagina.

Well you know Palin is a new face who's articulate and daisy fresh.

[Bergermeister]

Let the vetting begin! (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5744939)

God help us all.

[midwinter]

God help us all.

God in heaven. Is it really any wonder that the press is so detested on both sides of the political aisle?

[mydo]

BTW As I sit here eating my breakfast NPR is running a "Can palin be VP and a mother to 5 children" story.

Palin's Nomination Fuels Debate Among Working Moms (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94377275)


Which is kind of a silly headline because I doubt a lot of working moms are debating it.

[groverat]

No! Even talking about it is sexist, you pig.

We aren't allowed to discuss anything at all about Sarah Palin, because we're all sexist pigs.

[@_@ Artman]

By the way, Gallup daily tracking poll (http://www.gallup.com/tag/Election%2B2008.aspx), while a neat indicator, has no bearing on anything. The U.S. President is not elected by popular vote.

You want a good indicate of what will happen, take a peek here (http://electoral-vote.com).

[midwinter]

I'm sure Cokie Roberts will be on, soon, to explain that Alaska is much too exotic.

[Bergermeister]

A good take on what to expect from the "interview":

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/08/politics/animal/main4424853.shtml

[mydo]

A good take on what to expect from the "interview":

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/08/politics/animal/main4424853.shtml

It's interesting that they are taking her back to alaska. Part of it is to market the Palin story but also I'm sure that it increases her comfort level too.

[Bergermeister]

She will request either the governor's office or mansion in order to show her position.

Wonder if they have tossed a list of questions or topics?

The guy didn't press McCain on obvious lies, so I don't expect much a all, but the sheep will love it.

[Bergermeister]

Is one reason they wish to protect her is because this will happen?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/08/politics/animal/main4426309.shtml

[addabox]

Notice how the liberal media demonstrate how they play by Obama's rules by relegating evidence of Palin's basic ignorance of two of the central players in the mortgage crisis to a back page blog, while most outlets simply report her words as if she were making a valid point.

Far be it from the liberal media to point out when a candidate isn't making any sense, since that would make the conservatives mad and we can't have that.

But, of course, the reason the campaign is withholding her from having to contend with the press is because they're sexist, not because she doesn't know much.

[midwinter]

Is one reason they wish to protect her is because this will happen?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/08/politics/animal/main4426309.shtml

That is a stunningly sexist piece.

[addabox]

By the way, does any sentient person doubt that the celebrity style, multi-part interview will be extremely deferential, with a relaxed Palin giving a guided tour of her home turf while responding to mostly "just how important is your family to your faith" and "how do you cope with the brutal, unfair attacks?" type questions, sprinkled with a few, highly vetted and thoroughly rehearsed "tough" ones that she'll handle with an easy line of the best patter money can buy? Or that the follow up questions will be non-existent to chummy? Knowing, as we do, that if the questioning in the first session hadn't been to the campaign's liking they would have simply canceled the rest, putting the network in the position of being obliged to curry favor to get their scoop?

Or that her supporters will leap to their feet as one and declare that all questions about her expertise and media readiness have been silenced, once and for all?

I know this because I live in the real world and I'm not a fucking idiot.

[midwinter]

I am hearing rumors that Palin is a secret mormon.

[FormerLurker]

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

According to Lucille, the waitress serving her table at the time and who asked that her last name not be used, Gov. Palin was eating lunch with five or six people when the subject of the Democrat’s primary battle came up. The governor, seemingly not caring that people at nearby tables would likely hear her, uttered the slur and then laughed loudly as her meal mates joined in appreciatively.

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%e2%80%9cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%e2%80%9d/

[midwinter]

if that is true, it is very bad.

[groverat]

I'm hearing rumors Palin is a fucking idiot compared to the other 3 people on the tickets.

[addabox]

if that is true, it is very bad.

We'll never know if it's true or not, because the liberal media will very politely look away.

[FormerLurker]

We'll never know if it's true or not, because the liberal media will very politely look away.

Well of course they will.

To do otherwise would reveal their inherent liberal sexist bias.

[Gilsch]

Is one reason they wish to protect her is because this will happen?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/08/politics/animal/main4426309.shtml

Ouch. Didn't take long. :lol:

[Bergermeister]

And so it begins: some questions for the interview... not sprinkled with "deference" and very nicely juxtaposed to Gibson's interview with Obama a while back:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-onthemedia9-2008sep09,0,4902781.story

Likelihood after the recent McCain interview with all its deference? Practically zero.

Gibson was a no-show at the press conference about the interview because - heard something similar recently? - he was preparing for the interview.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gm0B7E3Fzr_D8xALRORRdd5H7VEgD932RCT82

[tonton]

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”
http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%e2%80%9cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%e2%80%9d/

It's no surprise that she's prejudiced. After all, she and her husband are on record hating on Texans.

[Bergermeister]

Avery good Op Ed on the double standard the McCain camp has for Palin regarding interviews:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rutten10-2008sep10,0,7601200.column

[trumptman]

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean”



http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%e2%80%9cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%e2%80%9d/

The media is reporting on Palin using "Lucille, the waitress" as a source and we really have to ask if the media is biased toward liberals?

Can anyone point me to a news article where the hard hitting information that we would use to verify the story came from anyone who ever claimed to encounter the person?

I heard from one of the guys down at the car wash who claims to have dried Obama's car that not only is he a bad tipper, but he killed three women in four different states. He also claims Obama is so evil he made the woman stand on the state boundary so he could make that claim happen. Then he claimed Obama slept with his sister and that his evil brain microwaves are harming humanity.

It's true. Really.

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She doesn't seem to mind doing a radio show with a couple of good ole boys that like to make fun of natives.
http://apocalyptickiwi.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/the-difference-between-the-kkk-and-sarah-palin/
During the April 9 "Morning Drive," DJs Woody and Wilcox apparently started bantering with a caller about how to tell whether someone is a true Alaskan.

The DJs included a personal spin on an old saying that many believe crossed a line.

"The one guy says, ‘Well, you are real Alaskan if you have made love to the Yukon River and you have peed in a Native woman,'" Davis recounted.
This is what got them into trouble, going to far and all that but they still have their jobs.
The [Alaska Native] heritage center’s vice president of operations says the comments, though not uncommon, are detrimental.

“It is not uncommon. That is disconcerting, for particularly our young people, and people of the community to listen to because it certainly is not a community builder. It’s a community divider,” Debra Call said.

Such comments are not limited to the Woody and Wilcox Show. Across town, the competition at KWHL-FM 106.5 “The Whale” makes easy fodder of Alaska Natives during early-morning humor on the “Bob and Mark Show.”

The DJs make mockery of Native language and customs and also poke fun at dental care issues in the Bush.

Bob Lester and Mark Colazecchio also play a bit called, “That’s what I call Native.” And, they say, it’s all done in the name of entertainment.
So Lucy was right in saying that's Alaska.

As for Palin on their radio show,
http://www.adn.com/opinion/comment/story/295464.html
Anchorage DJ Bob Lester unleashed a vicious, mean-spirited, poisonous attack on Senate President Lyda Green last week while our governor was live on the air with him.

Lester referred to Sen. Green as a jealous woman and a cancer. Palin, who knows full well Lyda Green is a cancer survivor, didn't do what any decent person would do, say, "Bob, that's going too far."

Then Lester clearly sets the stage for what he is about to say by warning his large audience and Palin. He says, "Governor you can't say this but I will, Lyda Green is a cancer and a b----." Palin laughs for the second time.

But there is more. Lester then describes Green's chair as big and cushy. A clear reference to the senator's weight. Palin laughs a third time. She's just having a grand old time.

Lester asks Palin point blank: "Do you have any idea of what you did, to make Lyda Green dislike you, hate you?" How does Palin respond? Does she do the right thing? What you would expect from a mature leader, a governor and say, "Bob, Lyda doesn't hate me."

No, she responds like a 13-year-old and says, "Um, you know once and a while I try to figure that out but I can't figure that out."

But there's strong evidence Palin did condone Lester's name-calling. At the end of Lester making fun of Green as a mother, calling her a cancer, twice, and saying she has to go; after calling the senator a b----, making fun of her weight, and accusing Green of being jealous and hateful; after all of that, Lester ends the conversation offering to visit Palin.

How does Palin respond? "I'd be honored to have you."
But hey, it's all in fun.

[@_@ Artman]

Interesting. Seems that the natives of Alaska aren't to keen of Palin either...

Sarah Palin's Record on Alaska Native and Tribal Issues


It may be hard for those who are not native Alaskan, or even Alaskan for that matter, to understand the issues I am about to note and why Sarah Palin's stance on them is wholly detrimental. I would expect that those who are of native American heritage may have a firmer grasp on these issues than the rest of us, but having grown up in Alaska this is an issue that is close to my heart.

The following information is not fabricated. More importantly, this is a small glimpse into how she would act as veep. Remember, above all we want someone in power who will put the people first, before personal gain. So far, McCain and especially Palin have not showed any interest in this. If you want to know what the future holds you must only look at the past.

1. Palin has attacked Alaska Native Subsistence Fishing
2. Palin has attacked Alaska Native Subsistence Hunting
3. Palin has attacked Alaska Tribal Sovereignty
4. Palin has attacked Alaska Native Languages

In sum, measured against some the rights that are most fundamental to Alaska Native Tribes - the subsistence way of life, tribal sovereignty and voting rights - Palin's record is a failure.

Now, all of this may seem to be Alaska's problem and not affect the Lower 48. Think again. If she is veep she will undoubtedly expand her views to the entire nation. Tribal treaties overturned, land taken. It'll be another round of cowboys and Indians for her and McCain. Secondly, even if this were to be passed in Alaska only for now, it would set a precedent which could impact tribal sovereignties throughout the nation.

Please consider this if you are thinking of voting her she and McCain.

More details at the source (http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-80921).

Not surprising, given McCain's policies (http://www.nativeamericannetroots.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=87) as Senator against the Navajo(Dineh) and Hopi in Arizona.

Two peas in a pod. :mad:

[trumptman]

so you're not the slightest bit interested in whether the story is true and Palin is a racist pig calling Obama "Sambo", just a bit more spin from you.

Lets face it Nick, it wouldn't matter to you if Palin was a fully paid up member of the KKK and McCain was Nazi - you'd still vote for your 'tax break' - and concoct any little fantasy to excuse them.

I'm always interested in a good news story, but not in idle gossip or smears.

[@_@ Artman]

I'm always interested in a good news story, but not in idle gossip or smears.

May I offer this then? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1kLecUOmlY)

Oh wait, here's another (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5778018&page=1).

On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Gov. Sarah Palin took a hard-line approach on national security and said that war with Russia may be necessary if Georgia were to join NATO and be invaded by Russia.

And hey, why keep attacking the attractive female, how about the Mavrick himself.

McCain Still Struggling With The Basics (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/11/politics/animal/main4440080.shtml)

There's been ample discussion of late about Sarah Palin being sequestered, away from the media, because the McCain campaign isn't confident in her ability to answer questions about, well, much of anything. But what about McCain's ability to answer questions?

AmericaBlog posted a clip of an interview McCain did, via satellite, with Rob Caldwell at WCSH in Portland, Maine. Caldwell noted, for example, that McCain insisted that national security and counter-terrorism is the number one issue facing the United States. McCain denied ever having said that. Caldwell moved on, asking about Sarah Palin's experience in national security. McCain responded by attacking Barack Obama.

"Well, you say you're sure she has the experience, but again, I'm just asking for an example," Caldwell said. "What experience does she have in the field of national security?" McCain responded:

"Energy. She knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America. She's a governor of a state where 20% of America's energy supply comes from there. And we all know that energy is a critical and vital national security issue. We've got to stop sending $700 billion of American money to countries that don't like us very much. She's very well versed on that issue."And, uh, she also happens to represent, be governor of a state that's right next to Russia. She understands Russia."

Whew. I'm beat. But they'll just keep on coming (http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=12226). Good luck with keeping up on the "good news".

[tonton]

The media is reporting on Palin using "Lucille, the waitress" as a source and we really have to ask if the media is biased toward liberals?

Can anyone point me to a news article where the hard hitting information that we would use to verify the story came from anyone who ever claimed to encounter the person?

I heard from one of the guys down at the car wash who claims to have dried Obama's car that not only is he a bad tipper, but he killed three women in four different states. He also claims Obama is so evil he made the woman stand on the state boundary so he could make that claim happen. Then he claimed Obama slept with his sister and that his evil brain microwaves are harming humanity.

It's true. Really.

Larry Sinclair.

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So, does Alaska have a problem with out in the open, no shame racism?
State lawmakers thought so, because it made news in the lower 48.
http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=431
February 13, 2002 -- It was a sight Tony Knowles could not get out of his mind: a self-narrated home video of three young white men driving through Anchorage looking for fun, and for Alaska natives.
After locating their prey, they shouted racial slurs, aimed their paintball guns and began firing away. After hitting six or seven people on their first pass, they circled the block and came back for more.

Days later it was national news. Networks across the nation played clips of the 24-minute video, and millions heard them say, "We're going to Anchorage…We're going to shoot some Eskimos -- also known as muktuks," a term which means whale blubber, but has become a slur against Alaska Natives.
Just a night on the town, gettin' their kicks, not realizing what a bunch of assholes, etc., they are.
I'm not even sure they got arrested, fined, reprimanded or if anyone even knows who they are.
In any case, it couldn't be ignored,
After a preliminary investigation by some of his staff turned up other bias-related incidents, Knowles created a 14-member Commission on Tolerance. It was the first of its kind in the nation, a group authorized by the governor to do two things.
They didn't have a clue or did they have no choice but to do something.
Like the guys on the radio, last straw?

The commission came up with list of recommendations, but there were those that didn't like the bad news.
"I don't believe this is a racist state, but I have seen this governor pick at the scab of racism until it's a festering sore," state senator Pete Kelly told the Anchorage Daily News (ADN). "He told them [the commission] to go around the state and find everything that's wrong with the state, sometimes in isolated examples, and then paint us as racist. I don't appreciate it."

Wayne Ross, running for the job Knowles is prevented from seeking again, called the report. "the liberals' what-I-want-for-Christmas list." He also told the ADN, "Alaskans are divided because we have too many people pointing out the perceived problems, and we don't have enough people pointing out how well we work together."
The argument against pointing out problems so there may be a chance to fix them.
Sound familiar?

Has anything changed?
If the radio stations that I posted about earlier are any indication, not much.

If Lucy can be believed about Alaska, not much.

Maybe it's not Palin's fault since she grew up without recognizing the racism as racism.
It's just that the word Sambo is funny, why would anyone take offense.

[trumptman]

Larry Sinclair.

Have I ever posted about Larry Sinclair, Obama's birth certificate or any of that other nonsense here?

[tonton]

Have I ever posted about Larry Sinclair, Obama's birth certificate or any of that other nonsense here?

Don't move the goal posts. I was posting this in response to this:

"The [tabloid] media is reporting on Palin using "Lucille, the waitress" as a source and we really have to ask if the media is biased toward liberals?"

[trumptman]

Don't move the goal posts. I was posting this in response to this:

"The [tabloid] media is reporting on Palin using "Lucille, the waitress" as a source and we really have to ask if the media is biased toward liberals?"

(You) Don't move the goal posts?

The media are biased toward Obama.

Look at me. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/69_say_reporters_try_to_help_the_candidate_they_wa nt_to_win)

Seven out of 10 voters (69%) remain convinced that reporters try to help the candidate they want to win, and this year by a nearly five-to-one margin voters believe they are trying to help Barack Obama.

[tonton]

(You) Don't move the goal posts?

The media are biased toward Obama.

Look at me. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/69_say_reporters_try_to_help_the_candidate_they_wa nt_to_win)

Your article does not show any proof that the media are biased for Obama or against McCain.

[@_@ Artman]

And trumptman just slips by the "good news" I posted and spins away...your M.O. here at P.O. is more evident than usual again...:rolleyes: