Barack Obama is going to be awesome

[groverat]

http://moviedoc.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/barack_obama00001.jpg

We have something to feel good about, fellow Americans. The next president of our nation, Barack Obama, is going to spearhead a wave of new leadership in the country and fix many of the problems that we face as a nation (while probably creating some new ones, c'est la vie).

November 5th should be a national day of celebration, as it will come on the day when it is official that the United States of America has elected an extremely intelligent, curious, pragmatic, and hopeful leader for this, the most exceptional of all nations of the world. (Not "best", just most.)

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/BarackObama.jpg

In a smart and responsible way, he will order the drawdown of forces in Iraq, saving thousands of American lives and billions of American dollars.

He will reforge broken alliances that will help our war with terrorists overseas.

http://www.newwest.net/images/thumbnails_feature/barack_obama_westerners.jpg

Also, he looks good in a Stetson, which is very important for me, as a Texan.

So ignore all the bullshit about Ayers and Palin and Rezko and Troopergate and blahblahblah, because we've got a good thing coming.

http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/barack_obama_conspiracy_photo.jpg


Sure, I'm already pissed off at him for a few things (wiretap vote, offshore drilling flip-flop, blaming Iraqis for the state of Iraq, etc...), but there's no such thing as a politician you dovetail with entirely. What you can have is a smart person with a good conscience, an intellectually-open mind, a pragmatic vision, and an abiding hope in the strength and dignity of the people of our nation; and that is what we'll have in Barack Obama (at least for the first few years, we'll see if that's still in 2012 ;) ).

Be happy, Americans and world citizens, because Barack Obama is a pretty kick-ass guy.

[addabox]

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We have something to feel good about, fellow Americans. The next president of our nation, Barack Obama, is going to spearhead a wave of new leadership in the country and fix many of the problems that we face as a nation (while probably creating some new ones, c'est la vie).

November 5th should be a national day of celebration, as it will come on the day when it is official that the United States of America has elected an extremely intelligent, curious, pragmatic, and hopeful leader for this, the most exceptional of all nations of the world. (Not "best", just most.)

In a smart and responsible way, he will order the drawdown of forces in Iraq, saving thousands of American lives and billions of American dollars.

He will reforge broken alliances that will help our war with terrorists overseas.

Also, he looks good in a Stetson, which is very important for me, as a Texan.

So ignore all the bullshit about Ayers and Palin and Rezko and Troopergate and blahblahblah, because we've got a good thing coming.

Sure, I'm already pissed off at him for a few things (wiretap vote, offshore drilling flip-flop, blaming Iraqis for the state of Iraq, etc...), but there's no such thing as a politician you dovetail with entirely. What you can have is a smart person with a good conscience, an intellectually-open mind, a pragmatic vision, and an abiding hope in the strength and dignity of the people of our nation; and that is what we'll have in Barack Obama (at least for the first few years, we'll see if that's still in 2012 ;) ).

Be happy, Americans and world citizens, because Barack Obama is a pretty kick-ass guy.

I'll add to your list of encouraging qualities "Respect for the rule of law and the constitution."

Great things are possible if we can regain faith in our institutions. If we come to see our own government as illicit, or worse, simply an expression of raw power, to be cheered or opposed depending on who wields the reigns, then we're just fucked.

Unfortunately, the right is already laying the groundwork for the narrative of Obama's thugish disregard for law. Because he's from Chicago, you know, and pals with terrorists, and, uh, Acorn, whose agents even now are signing up Mickey Mouse, over and over again, with a plan to send legions of costumed rodents into the polling places and steal the election via surreal costumery.

And then I'll get a pounding headache as the same people that blithely dismissed concerns over things like domestic surveillance, torture, secret prisons, ignoring subpoenas, ignoring laws, and endless, systemic lying as a foundational principal of power, will decide that Obama has stolen the presidency and the federal government is an occupying army.

The same people shrieking about William Ayers can resume consulting G. Gordon Liddy as to the most efficacious way to kill federal agents.

The same people who still insist that we had perfectly legitimate grounds for invading Iraq will bellow that any foreign entanglement, no matter how slight or justified, will be proof of Obama's cynical use of Our Brave Troops to further his own demonic plans.

Please, you lunatic fucks, please let our new president at least try to right the ship of state. You live in this country too, you have an interest in things getting better, don't you?

[groverat]

Wow. Too much love for a politician.

Wow. Did you even read the post?

[SpamSandwich]

I'll add to your list of encouraging qualities "Respect for the rule of law and the constitution."

Great things are possible if we can regain faith in our institutions. If we come to see our own government as illicit, or worse, simply an expression of raw power, to be cheered or opposed depending on who wields the reigns, then we're just fucked.

Unfortunately, the right is already laying the groundwork for the narrative of Obama's thugish disregard for law. Because he's from Chicago, you know, and pals with terrorists, and, uh, Acorn, whose agents even now are signing up Mickey Mouse, over and over again, with a plan to send legions of costumed rodents into the polling places and steal the election via surreal costumery.

And then I'll get a pounding headache as the same people that blithely dismissed concerns over things like domestic surveillance, torture, secret prisons, ignoring subpoenas, ignoring laws, and endless, systemic lying as a foundational principal of power, will decide that Obama has stolen the presidency and the federal government is an occupying army.

The same people shrieking about William Ayers can resume consulting G. Gordon Liddy as to the most efficacious way to kill federal agents.

The same people who still insist that we had perfectly legitimate grounds for invading Iraq will bellow that any foreign entanglement, no matter how slight or justified, will be proof of Obama's cynical use of Our Brave Troops to further his own demonic plans.

Please, you lunatic fucks, please let our new president at least try to right the ship of state. You live in this country too, you have an interest in things getting better, don't you?

'Respect for the constitution'?

I don't know where to begin... You mean the respect shown by voting side-by-side with John McCain for the biggest bail-out in US history? There's no Constitutional argument in favor of this legislation to be made here. (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/363351) And just wishing our problems away by printing more money will cause the problems to deepen and drag on for years.

He's obviously an intelligent person (http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.html), but I'd respect Obama much more if he would make it a centerpiece of his campaign to promise to eliminate the IRS and phase out the Fed.

Neither McCain, nor Obama will be able to make significant long lasting change. The president is not a dictator, king, or head of a corporation but simply obeying the Constitution as it is currently written would do wonders for America politically and restore some sense of trust with our global neighbors and trade partners.

Both Obama and McCain pledge to continue to "entangle" us in the affairs of other nations, against the advice of Thomas Jefferson.... "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none." (http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance17.html) Simply a continuation of unwise policies which can almost guarantee us being dragged into future conflicts in the Middle East and with Russia.

In my mind, Obama is only a marginal improvement over John McCain. This will be the "plug your nose and vote" election of the century.

[addabox]

'Respect for the constitution'?

I don't know where to begin... You mean the respect shown by voting side-by-side with John McCain for the biggest bail-out in US history? There's no Constitutional argument in favor of this legislation to be made here. (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/363351) And just wishing our problems away by printing more money will cause the problems to deepen and drag on for years.

He's obviously an intelligent person (http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.html), but I'd respect Obama much more if he would make it a centerpiece of his campaign to promise to eliminate the IRS and phase out the Fed.

Neither McCain, nor Obama will be able to make significant long lasting change. The president is not a dictator, king, or head of a corporation but simply obeying the Constitution as it is currently written would do wonders for America politically and restore some sense of trust with our global neighbors and trade partners.

Both Obama and McCain pledge to continue to "entangle" us in the affairs of other nations, against the advice of Thomas Jefferson.... "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none." (http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance17.html) Simply a continuation of unwise policies which can almost guarantee us being dragged into future conflicts in the Middle East and with Russia.

In my mind, Obama is only a marginal improvement over John McCain. This will be the "plug your nose and vote" election of the century.

Gee. Surprisingly enough, my threshold for "respects the constitution" falls somewhere other than "phase out the IRS and the Fed."

I'll settle for "refrain from implementing vast, secretive surveillance programs, establishing a global network of extra-legal secret prisons, driving our secret disappeared prison population mad by torture, using the Justice Department as blunt instrument of political power, declaring the Geneva Conventions invalid, declaring Habeas Corpus invalid, making American citizens subject to arbitrary arrest beyond the protections of law, and deciding the the "unitary executive" is free to do pretty much anything they want.

I suppose for Ron Paul fans such things are matters of degree, compared to whatever it is that Ron Paul fans think they're for-- I've never been sure since none of it exists in the real world.

I like to fight my battles on planet earth, instead of endlessly claiming principled detachment because it isn't sufficiently Utopian, yet.

[SpamSandwich]

Gee. Surprisingly enough, my threshold for "respects the constitution" falls somewhere other than "phase out the IRS and the Fed."

I'll settle for "refrain from implementing vast, secretive surveillance programs, establishing a global network of extra-legal secret prisons, driving our secret disappeared prison population mad by torture, using the Justice Department as blunt instrument of political power, declaring the Geneva Conventions invalid, declaring Habeas Corpus invalid, making American citizens subject to arbitrary arrest beyond the protections of law, and deciding the the "unitary executive" is free to do pretty much anything they want.

I suppose for Ron Paul fans such things are matters of degree, compared to whatever it is that Ron Paul fans think they're for-- I've never been sure since none of it exists in the real world.

I like to fight my battles on planet earth, instead of endlessly claiming principled detachment because it isn't sufficiently Utopian, yet.

I suppose the "Earth" with a small "e" was an intentional, ironic statement? Hey, I did start out by saying, "I don't know where to begin...". You've expanded on the theme, but frankly the lack of adherence to the principles of the Constitution apply to many facets of this administration and many previous administrations. Also, regarding Ron Paul, you may be interested to note that my sig has been updated for some time now. :p

[BRussell]

This will be the "plug your nose and vote" election of the century. Really? I think these are two pretty good candidates, especially in comparison to, say, Bush vs. Kerry.

[hardeeharhar]

Wow. Did you even read the post?
I read it.... I was more or less commenting on the photos...

[groverat]

Barack Obama - A Tribute to Hope (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6AYrYZCQig)

What dey doin'? (Hatin' on us)

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Don't worry white people he's part white, see here he is with white family!

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"Senator Obama, what do you think of hardeeharhar's hata attitude?"

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The only president cool enough to play a major guest role in CSI:Miami

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not worry about his TERRORIST associations? YOU SHOULD BE!

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[hardeeharhar]

He's beating up gramps there.

[SpamSandwich]

That was a good last picture there.

[jimmac]

'Respect for the constitution'?

I don't know where to begin... You mean the respect shown by voting side-by-side with John McCain for the biggest bail-out in US history? There's no Constitutional argument in favor of this legislation to be made here. (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/363351) And just wishing our problems away by printing more money will cause the problems to deepen and drag on for years.

He's obviously an intelligent person (http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.html), but I'd respect Obama much more if he would make it a centerpiece of his campaign to promise to eliminate the IRS and phase out the Fed.

Neither McCain, nor Obama will be able to make significant long lasting change. The president is not a dictator, king, or head of a corporation but simply obeying the Constitution as it is currently written would do wonders for America politically and restore some sense of trust with our global neighbors and trade partners.

Both Obama and McCain pledge to continue to "entangle" us in the affairs of other nations, against the advice of Thomas Jefferson.... "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none." (http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance17.html) Simply a continuation of unwise policies which can almost guarantee us being dragged into future conflicts in the Middle East and with Russia.

In my mind, Obama is only a marginal improvement over John McCain. This will be the "plug your nose and vote" election of the century.

In my mind, Obama is only a marginal improvement over John McCain. This will be the "plug your nose and vote" election of the century.

If you really believe that then you just haven't been paying attention.

[SpamSandwich]

If you really believe that then you just haven't been paying attention.

Is this your way of not addressing any of the points I brought up? Thanks for playing.

[Frank777]

What on earth? Did Grove take some happy pills? Have the androids taken over Texas?
The real Grove is never THAT positive about anything.

And BRussell is right, this is a stronger slate than in 2004.

It's been funny watching both sets of partisans duke this out, especially on the Democratic side.
They been burned so many times before, they can't seem to believe they are going to win this time.

This has been Obama's race to win for almost a year. Probably more than that. The Media has an obvious interest in keeping it a horse race, but barring a major gaffe - and I mean a huge one - the Dems will take the White House this year.

I would have personally preferred a Democratic governor with some executive experience. And of course Obama is off-side on the big moral issues for me (abortion, marriage, euthanasia etc.)

But, as in Canada, it's good for the other team to be sent for a timeout every now and then.
And the Hard Neo-con side of the GOP really needs to be cut out like a cancer. Fiscal and moral conservatives will have to work hard to accomplish that.

I don't know how "awesome" the next few years will be, but I hope for the best.

[hardeeharhar]

I would have personally preferred a Democratic governor with some executive experience. And of course Obama is off-side on the big moral issues for me (abortion, marriage, euthanasia etc.)


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I can see your point on abortion -- but you have to be wrong about marriage. Neither Obama nor Biden support gay marriage, but then again maybe you do...

[FloorJack]

I'll post this again because it fits this thread so well.


Obama's Magic
Presto, change-o! (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122360618747721991.html)

And now, America, we introduce the Great Obama! The world's most gifted political magician! A thing of wonder. A thing of awe. Just watch him defy politics, economics, even gravity! (And hold your applause until the end, please.)

To kick off our show tonight, Mr. Obama will give 95% of American working families a tax cut, even though 40% of Americans today don't pay income taxes! How can our star enact such mathemagic? How can he "cut" zero? Abracadabra! It's called a "refundable tax credit." It involves the federal government taking money from those who do pay taxes, and writing checks to those who don't. Yes, yes, in the real world this is known as "welfare," but please try not to ruin the show.

For his next trick, the Great Obama will jumpstart the economy, and he'll do it by raising taxes on the very businesses that are today adrift in a financial tsunami! That will include all those among the top 1% of taxpayers who are in fact small-business owners, and the nation's biggest employers who currently pay some of the highest corporate tax rates in the developed world. Mr. Obama will, with a flick of his fingers, show them how to create more jobs with less money. It's simple, really. He has a wand.

... (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122360618747721991.html)


http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AI354_PW1010_DV_20081009165142.jpg


Obama is going to be a fucking magician! After four years of Obama I'll even vote for him.

[e1618978]

And the Hard Neo-con side of the GOP really needs to be cut out like a cancer. Fiscal and moral conservatives will have to work hard to accomplish that.

I'd prefer that the "moral" conservatives get cut out like cancer. The hard line Christians need their own party that never gets any votes.

[hardeeharhar]

I'll post this again because it fits this thread so well.


Obama's Magic
Presto, change-o! (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122360618747721991.html)




http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AI354_PW1010_DV_20081009165142.jpg


Obama is going to be a fucking magician! After four years of Obama I'll even vote for him.
Good luck with that false outrage, there, mydo, er scott, er floorjack...

It is clear that Obama is putting to good use the Freidman theory of negative taxation... it really is too bad that conservative don't recognize their own economic theory.

[hardeeharhar]

I'd prefer that the "moral" conservatives get cut out like cancer. The hard line Christians need their own party that never gets any votes.

Neocons and "moral" conservatives are one and the same. The neocons believe the the us has a moral imperative to maintain its hegemony, the religious moral conservatives believe they have a right to maintain a christian ethical hegemony over the us... The fact that they flinch the same way when greeted with challenges means something very similar is going on upstairs...

[pfflam]

'He's obviously an intelligent person (http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.html), but I'd respect Obama much more if he would make it a centerpiece of his campaign to promise to eliminate the IRS and phase out the Fed.

Hahaha . . .

[SDW2001]

Barack OBama is going to be AWESOME! Oh, I totally agree with you.

Reasons Why Barack Change™ Obama Will Be Awesome


He'll raise taxes on incomes, captial gains-but only for Teh Rich™. Of course, Teh Rich™ include about 50% of small business.
He'll raise taxes during a recession and global economic meltdown. That always works!
He has tons of executive experience, if you define "tons" as zero.
He'll push through national socialized medicine!
You'll get fined if you don't have health insurance for your family.
His plan for energy will be to ask if not force Americans to do with less while investing in technologies that are not yet ready for the market.
One word: Un-deregulation!
He'll Help the Poor®!
He'll talk to Ahmadinejhad!
He's going to fix the housing mess!
Since he helped create the housing mess by working with groups like ACORN to lobby the government to pressure banks into making risky loans, he's the best equipped to fix it.
He's not George Bush!
He's Black! I get to be part of voting a black guy in! It's...historic!
He doesn't exclude unrepentent terrorists and racist anti-American pastors from his inner circle! How tolerant!
He worked as a community organizer, funneling millions to liberal "education" causes.
He helped ACORN commit voter fra....ehh...register thousands of "new" voters!



Truly...I post an open question here: What in the world qualifies this man to be President of the United States?

[groverat]

His hands are as soft as newborn kittens.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

We, in the rest of the world, were right about George Bush. He would bring your country to its knees and do his best to bring the rest of us down with it.

Trust us on Barack Obama, who's going to be your next President.

He is kick ass. He is really clever. He is absolutely what we all need. If your country's going to recover from what George Bush has just done to it, you couldn't ask for anyone better. Right man, right time.

Lucky you.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

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Truly...I post an open question here: What in the world qualifies this man to be President of the United States?

Anyone who voted for George Bush, twice, and then spent years publicly defending him, has absolutely no right to ask this question.

[jimmac]

Anyone who voted for George Bush, twice, and then spent years publicly defending him, has absolutely no right to ask this question.

Well said!;)

[lundy]

Rather than deleting and infracting about 5 posts, let's try not doing the ad homs, folks.

[screener]

Rather than deleting and infracting about 5 posts, let's try not doing the ad homs, folks.
See, that wasn't so hard.

[FloorJack]

Anyone who voted for George Bush, twice, and then spent years publicly defending him, has absolutely no right to ask this question.

Yea! We don't need that whole "Right to Free Speech" bullshit! Candidates shouldn't be answerable to all voters. Only the preselected ones and the Tank Media.

STFU is what I say!

[SDW2001]

Anyone who voted for George Bush, twice, and then spent years publicly defending him, has absolutely no right to ask this question.

Well said!;)

I voted for him because he was the better choice over both of his opponents. I defend him when I feel it is appropriate to do so, and criticize him just the same.

And regardless, I have every right to ask "the question." There is simply no case-none whatsoever-that Barack Obama is more qualified to be President than John McCain. That's regardless of his policy positions. If this was a job interview he'd be laughed out of the door. Yes, I obviously disagree with him on many issues, particularly taxes. But that's not even the start of it. I ask again...what qualifies him to be President? He has absolutely no executive experience. He has no experience in foreign policy. He has no business/economic experience. He has ties to several radical organizations and persons, including the disgraced ACORN, Bill Ayers (who hosted Obama's first Senatorial campaign meeting), Jeremiah "United States of KKK A" Wright and others. He hasn't even been a productive Senator. He's got former Fannie and Freddie chiefs working on his campaign. He was involved intimately with lobbying for legislation and regulation (and suing banks) that helped cause the mortgage meltdown. He's a near marxist. He tells Americans they must do with less--of everything. He openly announces his military intentions with Pakistan, whether or not he meant a full scale invasion. He wants to sit down with President Ahmadinejhad and actually believes he can change the man's mind.

But he does stand for "Change." Gee whiz...let's roll the dice because he's not Bush-McCain.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Oh, it's 'Tank Media' now!

Is that what they're calling the media on Free Republic now? Priceless!

Anyway.

I am respectfully submitting that someone who voted for W twice, and defended him in public for years, is not perhaps... best qualified to discuss the respective merits of Presidential candidates.

I'm not sure what free speech and 'Tank Media'* have to do with this.

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[Hassan i Sabbah]

I voted for him because he was the better choice over both of his opponents. I defend him when I feel it is appropriate to do so, and criticize him just the same.

And regardless, I h

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le invasion. He wants to sit down with President Ahmadinejhad and actually believes he can change the man's mind.

But he does stand for "Change." Gee whiz...let's roll the dice because he's not Bush-McCain.

Sarah Palin has more executive experience than Barack Obama and John McCain put together. Why isn't she running for president?

[Harald]

He's a near marxist.

Mffbb. MsbffffffffbwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H!!!!!

[Harald]

Sarah Palin has more executive experience than Barack Obama and John McCain put together. Why isn't she running for president?

She is.

[hardeeharhar]

I voted for him because he was the better choice over both of his opponents. I defend him when I feel it is appropriate to do so, and criticize him just the same.

And regardless, I have every right to ask "the question." There is simply no case-none whatsoever-that Barack Obama is more qualified to be President than John McCain. That's regardless of his policy positions. If this was a job interview he'd be laughed out of the door. Yes, I obviously disagree with him on many issues, particularly taxes. But that's not even the start of it. I ask again...what qualifies him to be President? He has absolutely no executive experience. He has no experience in foreign policy. He has no business/economic experience. He has ties to several radical organizations and persons, including the disgraced ACORN, Bill Ayers (who hosted Obama's first Senatorial campaign meeting), Jeremiah "United States of KKK A" Wright and others. He hasn't even been a productive Senator. He's got former Fannie and Freddie chiefs working on his campaign. He was involved intimately with lobbying for legislation and regulation (and suing banks) that helped cause the mortgage meltdown. He's a near marxist. He tells Americans they must do with less--of everything. He openly announces his military intentions with Pakistan, whether or not he meant a full scale invasion. He wants to sit down with President Ahmadinejhad and actually believes he can change the man's mind.

But he does stand for "Change." Gee whiz...let's roll the dice because he's not Bush-McCain.
You know, SDW, I would take you seriously if you weren't simply spouting off irrelevant half-truths... but you are.

ACORN is largely irrelevant as at no point did Obama work for them (when he was a lawyer it was for a large group of plaintiffs which included the US Government)

Bill Ayers did NOT launch Obama's Senatorial campaign. At best, you could claim he lauched Obama's statehouse campaign, but that would be a lie since the hosted party occurred in the middle of Obama's meet and greet swing around Chicago. Regardless, Ayers is a well respected educator who is well known and well liked in urban educational circles -- Obama worked with him in this manner; contact which ended nearly four years ago.

Jeremiah Wright is a pastor. His rhetoric became harsh after the Bush administration failed to address the concerns of his community. By this point, Obama was barely attending the church and it wouldn't matter if he did attend one of those hateful lectures. He has stated that he doesn't agree with Wright.

There are no GSE chiefs working on his campaign.

If there was a smoking gun tying him to actual legislation or legal action which forced banks to take on risky loans as opposed to ending the process of redlining, you would have heard about it already. All this claim is, is a re-bundling of the erroneous ACCORN claims.

McCain has shown open hostility to Iran and North Korea, announcing that he would bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. Obama's full statement makes clear that he would only work on actionable intelligence if Pakistan failed to do so. So what? That's good policy.

It is also good policy to actively engage in diplomacy as we have seen the result of cutting off diplomatic ties result in the axis of evil (save Iraq) acquire the tools to build nuclear weapons in the absence of diplomacy. You may want to think that Obama is being naive here, but he isn't. This is the same view supported almost unanimously by the former secretaries of state. What got Obama in trouble is the little word pre-condition, one in which he explained quite clearly several times.

The reason Obama is more qualified than McCain is that not only does he have sound judgement on all of the issues likely to face a president, he has the temperament to handle issues NEITHER candidate has experience handling unlike the battle-ready, unstable, angry McCain.

[gastroboy]

She is.

Over the old guy's dead body.

"Honestly officer I didn't know the gun was loaded! Anyway in the half light he looked like a moose."

or

"I was putting on my lipstick and the hockey stick must have slipped out of my hand."

or

"I've got 70% of the population that'll swear he attacked me first, armed with WMD."

[Hassan i Sabbah]

I voted for him because he was the better choice over both of his opponents. I defend him when I feel it is appropriate to do so, and criticize him just the same.

And regardless, I have every right to ask "the question." There is simply no case-none whatsoever-that Barack Obama is more qualified to be President than John McCain. That's regardless of his policy positions. If this was a job interview he'd be laughed out of the door. Yes, I obviously disagree with him on many issues, particularly taxes. But that's not even the start of it. I ask again...what qualifies him to be President? He has absolutely no executive experience. He has no experience in foreign policy. He has no business/economic experience. He has ties to several radical organizations and persons, including the disgraced ACORN, Bill Ayers (who hosted Obama's first Senatorial campaign meeting), Jeremiah "United States of KKK A" Wright and others. He hasn't even been a productive Senator. He's got former Fannie and Freddie chiefs working on his campaign. He was involved intimately with lobbying for legislation and regulation (and suing banks) that helped cause the mortgage meltdown. He's a near marxist. He tells Americans they must do with less--of everything. He openly announces his military intentions with Pakistan, whether or not he meant a full scale invasion. He wants to sit down with President Ahmadinejhad and actually believes he can change the man's mind.

But he does stand for "Change." Gee whiz...let's roll the dice because he's not Bush-McCain.
A couple of things.

Bill Ayers didn't host Obama's first Senatorial campaign meeting; this is a lie. Sorry, but it's a smear, like 'Obama is a muslim', and 'Obama was born in Kenya'. Just not true.

John McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis was apparently receiving money from Freddie Mac until a matter of months ago and you don't seem to object to that. Why not?

ACORN isn't a 'radical organisation' at all. You don't like ACORN because crooked people exploit it, which is fair enough, and because the poor people it enfranchises tend to vote Democrat, which is your bad luck. Objecting to attempts to include people in the democratic process, which is what ACORN is for, seems to be bad form to me. But hey.

He also seems to be an intellectual heavyweight compared to McCain, who as far as I can tell is bad-tempered, undiplomatic, sexist and judging by his campaign deeply divisive.

[jamac]

Truly...I post an open question here: What in the world qualifies this man to be President of the United States?

That you don't like him is enough reason for me.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

That radical organisation ACORN?

John McCain was a keynote speaker at an ACORN rally in 2006.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html?showall

He probably forgot.

He is getting on in years.

Can we call him a radical now?

Also, how shit is his hilariously bad campaign?

[Fellowship]

Anyone who voted for George Bush, twice, and then spent years publicly defending him, has absolutely no right to ask this question.

Now that is some truth!

I completely agree.

Fellows

[FloorJack]

...

Also, how shit is his hilariously bad campaign?

Makes you want to laugh or cry doesn't it.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

Makes you want to laugh or cry doesn't it.

Yes, it really does. I'm not kidding. When I see McCain stumping, with his hopeful smile, I really, genuinely want to give him a hug. I'm not kidding.

[groverat]

Right-Click->Save As more pictures of your next president.


eating the shit out of liberal pizza

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scrubbing in for surgery

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lookin' maaaaaad presidential

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6195/jfkobamaha8.jpg
(true fact: he is actually standing at a 45-degree angle, that's how bad-ass he is)


toot toot toot - bringin' in the crops

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the freshest flow charts in presidential history

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8365/obamalawprofessorol6.jpg


the sexiest president since Eisenhower

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4849/obamajeanszn5.jpg


he'll make you redirect your shot

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[sandau]

Just Another Politician.

I don't see any change coming at all, no matter who wins.

[iPoster]

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[FloorJack]

Plus he'll use The Force to make Akmadinijad recognize Israel's right to exist.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/cruzrincon/tumblr/2344160764_cd1a8b726a_o.jpg


And then he wont even Secret Service to protect him because he's The One. Think of all the CO2 that's saved when Air Force One is mothballed!


http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/t/6/2/obama_matrix.jpg

[jimmac]

Well a republican that I thought was ok ( the one brite spot in the Bush bunch ) has now endorsed Obama!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/19/colin.powell/index.html

Colin Powell endorses ObamaStory Highlights
Ex-Secretary of State Colin Powell voting for Barack Obama

Powell makes announcement on "Meet the Press" Sunday

Powell told CNN in February: "Keeping my options open" on endorsing

The former general has said the next president will have to restore America's image

Now that's very telling.

[trumptman]

I love the double-sidedness to him. Obama got a RINO who lied to the UN for Bush to endorse him.

Oh wait... I forgot, we don't care to remember all those claims now that he is for Obama.

Go Powell!

[groverat]

The double-sidedness to whom? Powell?
Did Powell call himself a "RINO who lied to the UN for Bush to endorse him"?

Your statement there is confusing, because it mixes up the parties and it reeks of partisan desperation.

The politics of personal destruction is part of why your team is losing, trumpt.

[Gilsch]

I love the double-sidedness to him. Obama got a RINO who lied to the UN for Bush to endorse him.

Oh wait... I forgot, we don't care to remember all those claims now that he is for Obama.

Go Powell!

I love how all this is fucking killing you. I LOVE it. :lol:

[trumptman]

The double-sidedness to whom? Powell?
Did Powell call himself a "RINO who lied to the UN for Bush to endorse him"?

Your statement there is confusing, because it mixes up the parties and it reeks of partisan desperation.

The politics of personal destruction is part of why your team is losing, trumpt.

:lol::lol::lol:

Yes that is it!

I'll be on my couch Sunday mornings screaming at Brokaw and Stephanopoulos to call out the blathering bastards on their stupid fucking talking points and pin the dancing, lying, spinning Tasmanian Weasels down about something, ANYTHING for Christ Bloody Sake THE COUNTRY IS GETTING STEERED INTO CHAOS AND INSOLVENCY AND WAR BY ITS UNREAD UNINFORMED DULLARD SHEEP CONSTITUENCIES AND YOU JUST LET THE CANDIDATE SAY ONE MORE TIME WITHOUT OBJECTION THAT HE'S GOING TO CUT TAXES WHILE HE CALLS FOR FREE 24 KARAT GOLD FRANKFURTERS TO BE INSERTED INTO EVERY AMERICAN'S ASS JUST BECAUSE BUTT BULLION POLLS WELL.

You see right there why I can't have Opus involved with this anymore. (http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2008/10/18/opus/index1.html)

Go team go!

[groverat]

I find it amusing that your response is, essentially, "I like turtles".

Colin Powell has eviscerated the fundamental campaign strategy of the Republican party as a whole.

- It's inability to form a coherent conservative economic plan.
- It's inability to reign in government size or spending.
- It's reliance on anti-Muslim bigotry to shore up support and motivate voters.
- It's dogged focus on a very narrow slice of America.
- It's choosing for veneration embarrassingly unqualified and unprepared figures (Palin).

And your response is, "I like turtles."

[trumptman]

I find it amusing that your response is, essentially, "I like turtles".

Colin Powell has eviscerated the fundamental campaign strategy of the Republican party as a whole.

- It's inability to form a coherent conservative economic plan.
- It's inability to reign in government size or spending.
- It's reliance on anti-Muslim bigotry to shore up support and motivate voters.
- It's dogged focus on a very narrow slice of America.
- It's choosing for veneration embarrassingly unqualified and unprepared figures (Palin).

And your response is, "I like turtles."

Actually my response is that Powel can endorse Obama because he wasn't eviscerating the Republicans. He was was eviscerated for being a RINO and helping Bush. Then he quit and went away and now will not be eviscerated any longer because he endorsed Obama while still being a RINO.

I really don't care if he is repeating the Democratic talking point lies. The claim on him for a decade is that he repeats talking point lies. So what is new here?

I do like turtles though. They make good soup.

[Bergermeister]

Just watched the Powell interview; wow.

Groverat is right: he completely eviscerated the Republican Party.

---

I can see the titlebar on Fox now: Democrat Colin Powell...

[jimmac]

Actually my response is that Powel can endorse Obama because he wasn't eviscerating the Republicans. He was was eviscerated for being a RINO and helping Bush. Then he quit and went away and now will not be eviscerated any longer because he endorsed Obama while still being a RINO.

I really don't care if he is repeating the Democratic talking point lies. The claim on him for a decade is that he repeats talking point lies. So what is new here?

I do like turtles though. They make good soup.


Sorry I think he's the real republican here as he's interested in what's best for the country.

Unlike the false republicans ( Neocons ) that have been ruling Washington for a long while now.

Make note their days are numbered.

The difference here is that instead of being focused on his party winning he's focused on what's best.

It's not just about winning. That's the main thing that seperates the real Republicans from the Neocons who are only interested in controlling everything.

[Gilsch]

Just watched the Powell interview; wow.

Groverat is right: he completely eviscerated the Republican Party.

---

I can see the titlebar on Fox now: Democrat Colin Powell...

Oh, watch for the Reps to start the Powell smear campaign ASAP. It's HILARIOUS to watch the same people who dropped their pants and bent over for Powell at the time now turn against him. Look at this thread alone. :lol:

[groverat]

What lies is he repeating? Can you be specific?

This "RINO" crap is not going to do you any favors. Screaming "DISLOYALTY!" is how the Bush administration operates, and it is, perhaps, the most unpopular presidential administration in the history of the United States of America.

[Bergermeister]

Bachmann will probably ask that Powell be investigated to see if he is sufficiently "pro-Amerikan".

[addabox]

What lies is he repeating? Can you be specific?

This "RINO" crap is not going to do you any favors. Screaming "DISLOYALTY!" is how the Bush administration operates, and it is, perhaps, the most unpopular presidential administration in the history of the United States of America.

But Bush is a RINO! His Congress was nothing but RINOs! Conservatism has never failed, because, by definition, what fails is not conservatism!

I don't see how anyone can possibly blame the Republicans for the direction that country has taken in the last 8 years, just because they were completely in charge for most of that time. Clearly, the liberals did it.

As I listen to people try to claim otherwise, I am quietly amused at how they wish to turn the world on its head. Amused, I tell you.

[franksargent]

Go team go!

http://www.geekus.org/BurningPumpkins2006/04jack-o-lanterns-snow.jpg
Do Republicans and Conservatives need even more gaZoline rained down upon them? YES!

[Gilsch]

Was browsing through DailyKos when I came across this thread. Someone went to Freeperland and posted some of their posts re: Powell endorsing Obama.

-"POWELL IS DESPICABLE!! He owes EVERYTHING to Republicans, but BLACKNESS is the ONLY thing that matters!!! Obama want to RUIN THE MILITARY and bring down MAERICA to THIRD WORLD STATUS!!"

-"SCREW THIS BARFING IDIOT!

POWELL JUST REINFORCED EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, WE ALWAYS SAID WHY HE WAS A LOSER, PHONY REPUBLICAN!"

-"Colin Powell, another elitist. This election boils to - on the elitist side is Hussein Obama, Colin Powell, Biden. These people are the East Coast elite type. On the other side is McCain, Palin, Joe the Plumber who don't toe the elitist line and represent more of the West."

Funny stuff.

[addabox]

When Powell says things like "why shouldn't a Muslim kid dream of being president", that makes him a RINO. Real Republicans know that that Muslim kid should stoned.

When Powell says that all of America has values, not just the parts that agree with Palin, that makes him a RINO. Real Republicans know it's time to chose up sides for the coming civil war.

When Powell expresses concern that McCain hasn't held to a coherent economic plan, that makes hims a RINO. Real Republicans know that "coherent economic plan" is just liberal double-talk for "socialism."

When Powell expresses concern that the McCain campaign has grown increasingly narrow in its appeals by using increasingly divisive language, that makes him a RINO. Real Republicans know that patriotism means tearing the country apart to get power.

When Powell expresses concerns about Palin's readiness to be president, that makes him a RINO. Real Republicans know that our next president should be a reactionary know-nothing, because real Republicans know how well that worked out last time. Wait, real Republicans hate Bush now because Bush is a RINO. OK, forget that whole part, real Republicans find it too confusing.

[trumptman]

Sorry I think he's the real republican here as he's interested in what's best for the country.

Unlike the false republicans ( Neocons ) that have been ruling Washington for a long while now.

Make note their days are numbered.

The difference here is that instead of being focused on his party winning he's focused on what's best.

It's not just about winning. That's the main thing that seperates the real Republicans from the Neocons who are only interested in controlling everything.

Wow. I can understand how Democrats are now better qualified who are true Republicans than Republicans themselves.

Thank goodness no one claimed that people who disagree don't know what is best for the country, that would be questioning the patriotism of some.

Powell was never conservative socially. The RINOs like him, Ar-NALD and others brought in during the big tent have done nothing but tarnished the image of Republicans.

Oh, watch for the Reps to start the Powell smear campaign ASAP. It's HILARIOUS to watch the same people who dropped their pants and bent over for Powell at the time now turn against him. Look at this thread alone. :lol:

No one had to drop their pants for Powell. The man hasn't been particularly political even when working for Bush. Of course this means the meme about him lying to the U.N. as a crony to Bush either has to be true and now he is just a crony for someone else, or else that data was just bad and he was looking out for the best interests of the country, as is the claim now.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. He can't be a political hack when he helps Bush but looking out for the best interests of the country when supporting Obama.

What lies is he repeating? Can you be specific?

This "RINO" crap is not going to do you any favors. Screaming "DISLOYALTY!" is how the Bush administration operates, and it is, perhaps, the most unpopular presidential administration in the history of the United States of America.

- It's reliance on anti-Muslim bigotry to shore up support and motivate voters.
- It's dogged focus on a very narrow slice of America.
- It's choosing for veneration embarrassingly unqualified and unprepared figures (Palin).


The last three and it worked just fine for Democrats and Lieberman.

But Bush is a RINO! His Congress was nothing but RINOs! Conservatism has never failed, because, by definition, what fails is not conservatism!

I don't see how anyone can possibly blame the Republicans for the direction that country has taken in the last 8 years, just because they were completely in charge for most of that time. Clearly, the liberals did it.

As I listen to people try to claim otherwise, I am quietly amused at how they wish to turn the world on its head. Amused, I tell you.

Addabox. This board has a search function. You can go back YEARS and I have clearly delineated the split within the Republican party. I've noted it, noted how it wouldn't be hard to work that split for electoral advantage and also noted how the two halves fight. There is clearly factions within the Democratic party as well.

Also we knew Bush was a spender. Give him a Democratic Congress and the numbers are astronomical. It almost makes the Republicans look conservative in comparison. Either way it is a pretty sad day when we are having to discuss how crappy Republicans only let Bush blow out the budget by $250 billion a year as opposed to the Democratic Congress that lets him blow it out and adds to it to the tune of a trillion a year.

No problem though. I'm sure Obama will fix all of it.

[franksargent]

No problem though. I'm sure Obama will fix all of it.

You Betcha. :D

[@_@ Artman]

No problem though. I'm sure Obama will fix all of it.

Republicans are shitty programmers (http://wvgazette.com/News/200810180251). Who knew? No, correction, Republicans can't code, period - they employ shitty programmers, because they have no idea what constitutes good code. Or government for that matter.

[addabox]

Republicans: Let's blow this motherfucker up!

Republicans: Yee Haw! Awesome! Blow baby blow! Fuck yeah!

American People, surveying the rubble: This doesn't seem very good.

Republicans: Oh yeah? Then bring in your guy. If he can't rebuild it, good as new, in, oh, we dunno, a year or two, THEN HE TOTALLY SUCKS!!! AND THEN WE SHOULD TOTALLY BE ALLOWED TO RESUME WITH THE DYNAMITE!!!!!!

Oh, and we'll do everything in our power to make it difficult as possible, because that's only fair.

[jimmac]

http://www.geekus.org/BurningPumpkins2006/04jack-o-lanterns-snow.jpg
Do Republicans and Conservatives need even more gaZoline rained down upon them? YES!

" On fire and it's still raining gasoline! ";)

[jimmac]

Wow. I can understand how Democrats are now better qualified who are true Republicans than Republicans themselves.

Thank goodness no one claimed that people who disagree don't know what is best for the country, that would be questioning the patriotism of some.

Powell was never conservative socially. The RINOs like him, Ar-NALD and others brought in during the big tent have done nothing but tarnished the image of Republicans.



No one had to drop their pants for Powell. The man hasn't been particularly political even when working for Bush. Of course this means the meme about him lying to the U.N. as a crony to Bush either has to be true and now he is just a crony for someone else, or else that data was just bad and he was looking out for the best interests of the country, as is the claim now.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. He can't be a political hack when he helps Bush but looking out for the best interests of the country when supporting Obama.



The last three and it worked just fine for Democrats and Lieberman.



Addabox. This board has a search function. You can go back YEARS and I have clearly delineated the split within the Republican party. I've noted it, noted how it wouldn't be hard to work that split for electoral advantage and also noted how the two halves fight. There is clearly factions within the Democratic party as well.

Also we knew Bush was a spender. Give him a Democratic Congress and the numbers are astronomical. It almost makes the Republicans look conservative in comparison. Either way it is a pretty sad day when we are having to discuss how crappy Republicans only let Bush blow out the budget by $250 billion a year as opposed to the Democratic Congress that lets him blow it out and adds to it to the tune of a trillion a year.

No problem though. I'm sure Obama will fix all of it.

Wow. I can understand how Democrats are now better qualified who are true Republicans than Republicans themselves.

Thank goodness no one claimed that people who disagree don't know what is best for the country, that would be questioning the patriotism of some.

Powell was never conservative socially. The RINOs like him, Ar-NALD and others brought in during the big tent have done nothing but tarnished the image of Republicans.


You haven't been paying attention!

Republicans and Neocons not the same thing.

One has been around for a relatively short time ( 25 years or so ) and wants to control everything, has had a powerbase in Washington DC since 1994, will twist the truth so it fits their worldview, for them winning is everything because without it you can't control everything, spend money like water because winning is everything and fuck what it does to everyone else ( except the ultra rich and big corporations ), gather all the extreme right wing religious wackos as support even if they ignore logic, use any tactic because winning is everything, and did I mention at all cost winning is everything?

The other is half our political system, is economically conservative, serves the purpose of balancing out the
Democrats when they get out of hand, not for big government or less government involvement, and is interested in the best path for our country be they Republican or Democrat. They are traditional Republicans with all of their traditional beliefs. Guess which is which?

Careful. There'll be a test later.;)

[@_@ Artman]

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[midwinter]

Republicans: Let's blow this motherfucker up!

Republicans: Yee Haw! Awesome! Blow baby blow! Fuck yeah!

American People, surveying the rubble: This doesn't seem very good.

Republicans: Oh yeah? Then bring in your guy. If he can't rebuild it, good as new, in, oh, we dunno, a year or two, THEN HE TOTALLY SUCKS!!! AND THEN WE SHOULD TOTALLY BE ALLOWED TO RESUME WITH THE DYNAMITE!!!!!!

Oh, and we'll do everything in our power to make it difficult as possible, because that's only fair.

We've seen this logic before. I remember discussions just like this:

Republican: WE HAVE TO INVADE IRAQ NOW MUSHROOM CLOUD SMOKING GUN BAD BAD MAN ISRAEL GAS OWN PEOPLE INVADE INVADE INVADE

Democrat: That doesn't sound like a good idea.

Republican: OH YEAR WELL WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR IRAQ?!?!

Democrat: How about not invading Iraq?

Republican: THAT'S NOT A PLAN!!! TREASON AIDING AND ABETTING ENEMY FREEDOMEAGLE FOR THE CHILDREN 1440

[Frank777]

It is somewhat hilarious that a Powell endorsement is Obama's October surprise, given that Powell himself was a favourite target over the (now understood to be misleading) leadup to the Iraq war.

I remember Powell being absolutely despised on this board, yet his judgement will now be lauded by the same lefties who hated him, because of his endorsement of Obama.

Personally, I always thought of Powell as a more rational and capable person than those he served in the Bush admin. His non-ascendancy to the Commander-in-Chief position is another sad casualty of the abortion debate in North America.

Had Powell been Pro-Life, he would have been President instead of Bush. Cheney would be nowhere near the White House, and the last eight years would have been significantly different.

[FloorJack]

It is somewhat hilarious that a Powell endorsement is Obama's October surprise, given that Powell himself was a favourite target over the (now understood to be misleading) leadup to the Iraq war.

I remember Powell being absolutely despised on this board, yet his judgement will now be lauded by the same lefties who hated him, because of his endorsement of Obama.

Personally, I always thought of Powell as a more rational and capable person than those he served in the Bush admin. His non-ascendancy to the Commander-in-Chief position is another sad casualty of the abortion debate in North America.

Had Powell been Pro-Life, he would have been President instead of Bush. Cheney would be nowhere near the White House, and the last eight years would have been significantly different.

That's the truth. Members here seem to forget that Powel was never in sync with republicans when it came to abortion or embryonic stem cell research or a host of other social issues. So he was never fully embraced by the party faithful and was a RINO to come extent.

WRT Iraq he was public enemy #3 or 4 by the anti-war left. He carried Bush's water.

Now that he endorses Obama it's all water under the bridge and someone that should be listened to:???:

[Flounder]

I remember Powell being absolutely despised on this board, yet his judgement will now be lauded by the same lefties who hated him, because of his endorsement of Obama.

Have you read the Colin Powell thread? The "lefties" aren't lauding him, but rather accepting that the Powell endorsement is politically beneficial.

[franksargent]

It is somewhat hilarious that a Powell endorsement is Obama's October surprise, given that Powell himself was a favourite target over the (now understood to be misleading) leadup to the Iraq war.

I remember Powell being absolutely despised on this board, yet his judgement will now be lauded by the same lefties who hated him, because of his endorsement of Obama.

Personally, I always thought of Powell as a more rational and capable person than those he served in the Bush admin. His non-ascendancy to the Commander-in-Chief position is another sad casualty of the abortion debate in North America.

Had Powell been Pro-Life, he would have been President instead of Bush. Cheney would be nowhere near the White House, and the last eight years would have been significantly different.

Actually Gore should have been President if we all are talking about alternate universes. :\

As to Powell, he sold me the bill of goods at that UN speech.

Powell was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.

Also, he was the only credible member of the Bush administration who could have made the argument persuasively in front of the UN. It was fairly obvious from the facial expressions of most UN members that they were highly skeptical of the administrations argument as put forward by Powell. Powell was used by Bush, et. al. and the neocon artists to their own ends.

He also knew we did not go into Iraq with sufficient troop strength to manage the aftermath properly.

SJ, BRussell, and midwinter have already stated their continued displeasure for Powell.

For me he is the only member of the Bush administration that I admired and still respect to this day.

There's plenty of blame to go around from Congress, to the terrorists who beget 9-11, to the press, to the American people (like myself), to the entire cadre of neocon artists surrounding and within the Bush administration.

[midwinter]

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Seriously, dudes. Where on earth did you get the idea that the lefties don't have a problem with Powell?

[@_@ Artman]

Now that he endorses Obama it's all water under the bridge and someone that should be listened to:???:

Yes. If that's too hard to grasp, then too bad.

Locally, one of the right wing pundits switched sides, much to his opponents and fan's surprise.

Philly’s Own Michael Smerconish Hates America, Just Like Colin Powell (http://allspinzone.com/wp/2008/10/20/phillys-own-michael-smerconish-hates-america-just-like-colin-powell/)

Michael Smerconish is a Republican talker here in Philly, and on the national stage with David Gregory’s MSNBC show, and as a substitute host for O’Reilly’s “No Spin Zone.” He’s come out for Barack Obama in yesterday’s Philadelphia Inquirer, and as a result he may be jeopardizing his place as a GOP sycophant. Good on him.

...

OK, I’m not crying a whole bunch at Michael Smerconish maybe ruining his career. Indeed, I’m happy to see any so-called conservative coming out in support of Barack Obama. It pleases me no end to see every new face showing that they are inspired by Obama, hopeful that our country can take a new direction, and critical of the last eight years of Bush and the failed Republican leadership. (Smerconish’s earlier column, just Friday, signaled his choice, as it was entitled “McCain, The First Obituary,” and purported to detail just what went wrong with that wrong-headed and mean-spirited campaign.) But this is about Michael Smerconish’s Sunday column for the Philadelphia Inquirer, and how he lines up for Obama, though mostly against the incompetencies and ugliness of the John McCain campaign. Here’s a little of his Sunday column from the Philadelphia Inquirer:

Economy. We face economic problems that are incomprehensible to most Americans, certainly they are to me. This is a time to covet intellect, and that begins at the top. Jack Bogle, the legendary founder of the Vanguard Group, told me recently that McCain’s assertion that the fundamentals of the economy were “strong” was the “stupidest statement of 2008.” In light of the unprecedented volatility in the market, who can dispute Bogle’s characterization and the lack of understanding that McCain’s assessment portends?

VP. I opined here that Sarah Palin demonstrated the capacity to be president in her speech to the Republican convention. Sadly, there has been no further exhibition of her abilities, and she remains an unknown quantity. We are left questioning the judgment of a candidate who bypassed his reported preferred choices, Lieberman and former Gov. Tom Ridge, and instead yielded to the whims of the periphery of his party. With two wars and a crumbling economy, Palin is too big of a risk to be a heartbeat away from a presidency held by a 72-year-old man who has battled melanoma. Advantage Joe Biden.

Opportunity. In a speech delivered on Father’s Day, Obama lamented that too many fathers are missing from the lives of too many children and mothers. Look no further than Philadelphia for proof that the nation has a fatherhood problem at the root of its firearms crisis. And no demographic is affected by this confluence of factors like the black community. Among the many elements needed to address this crisis are role models, individuals whom urban youth can aspire to emulate. Little more than a year ago, Charles Barkley told me: “I want young black kids to see Barack on television every day. . . . We need to see more blacks who are intelligent, articulate, and who carry themselves with great dignity.” Obama can be that man.

Hope. Wednesday morning will come and an Obama presidency holds the greatest chance for unifying us here at home and restoring our prestige around the globe. The campaigns have foretold the kind of presidency we can expect from each candidate. Last Friday in Lakeville, Minn., McCain himself had to explain to a supporter who was “scared” of an Obama presidency that those fears were unfounded. Another told McCain that Obama was untrustworthy because he is an “Arab.” Those exchanges were a predictable byproduct of ads against Obama featuring tag lines such as “Too Risky for America” and “Dangerous,” and a failure to rein in individuals at McCain events who highlighted Obama’s middle name, all against a background of Internet lore.

...

Where does Michael Smerconish go from here? I listened to him on WPHT on the morning drive today, a first for me. Frankly, the lineup at WPHT sickens me usually, and I need to keep my head clear when I get to work for my students. I can’t afford to subject myself to the stupidity of the WPHT callers so early in the morning. And boy were Smerconish’s callers stupid today. Many even went so far as to suggest that Colin Powell is a traitor, an outcome I predicted yesterday. Will Smerconish get fired from the station? Will he be able to hold his seat as a Republican on David Gregory’s show on MSNBC? Time will tell. Certainly, though, in the face of rabid callers and in the face of potentially losing his job for supporting Barack Obama, Michael Smerconish should be praised, at least a little bit, for backing the right candidate in this Presidential race.

As a final word, I have run across Michael Smerconish a few times down the Jersey shore in the summers. I’ve stood in line with him at ice cream shops and seen him strolling on the street in the town I go to every weekend of the summer. I’ve never stopped Michael Smerconish before to ask him about a column, partly, I suppose, because it would be hard not to berate him. I’ll end that now. Next time I see Michael Smerconish, I intend to introduce myself. Indeed, I plan to send him a link to this column. Heck, I can’t give him a new job when he loses his WPHT gig (and maybe even lose his Philadelphia Inquirer column, given their erratic politics), but I can at least give him an attaboy.

Stay tuned for further adventures of Republican Pundits Gone Wild!

So many have realized that McCain/Palin is a disaster, why not you guys? :???:

[midwinter]

So many have realized that McCain/Palin is a disaster, why not you guys? :???:

Simple. Because this isn't a political argument.

[franksargent]

Yes. If that's too hard to grasp, then too bad.

Locally, one of the right wing pundits switched sides, much to his opponents and fan's surprise.

Philly’s Own Michael Smerconish Hates America, Just Like Colin Powell (http://allspinzone.com/wp/2008/10/20/phillys-own-michael-smerconish-hates-america-just-like-colin-powell/)



So many have realized that McCain/Palin is a disaster, why not you guys? :???:

It's been kind of funny watching him on MSNBC, funny because you could almost see this coming, in the way he spoke of Obama and their campaign in general.

[screener]

It is somewhat hilarious that a Powell endorsement is Obama's October surprise, given that Powell himself was a favourite target over the (now understood to be misleading) leadup to the Iraq war.

I remember Powell being absolutely despised on this board, yet his judgement will now be lauded by the same lefties who hated him, because of his endorsement of Obama.

Personally, I always thought of Powell as a more rational and capable person than those he served in the Bush admin. His non-ascendancy to the Commander-in-Chief position is another sad casualty of the abortion debate in North America.

Had Powell been Pro-Life, he would have been President instead of Bush. Cheney would be nowhere near the White House, and the last eight years would have been significantly different.
Personally, I think Powell is despicable for promoting what he knew was a lie and hiding behind the excuse of serving his president.

The sadness of the abortion debate are the untold tens of thousands of dead that were breathing, feeling, innocents killed because one issue voters.

[jimmac]

Actually Gore should have been President if we all are talking about alternate universes. :\

As to Powell, he sold me the bill of goods at that UN speech.

Powell was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.

Also, he was the only credible member of the Bush administration who could have made the argument persuasively in front of the UN. It was fairly obvious from the facial expressions of most UN members that they were highly skeptical of the administrations argument as put forward by Powell. Powell was used by Bush, et. al. and the neocon artists to their own ends.

He also knew we did not go into Iraq with sufficient troop strength to manage the aftermath properly.

SJ, BRussell, and midwinter have already stated their continued displeasure for Powell.

For me he is the only member of the Bush administration that I admired and still respect to this day.

There's plenty of blame to go around from Congress, to the terrorists who beget 9-11, to the press, to the American people (like myself), to the entire cadre of neocon artists surrounding and within the Bush administration.


Actually Gore should have been President if we all are talking about alternate universes.

Have you ever seen the movie " The One " ?

Not the greatist movie but intriguing. It deals briefly with this issue.

[midwinter]

Bush's War (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/). Very interesting.

[franksargent]

Have you ever seen the movie " The One " ?

Not the greatist movie but intriguing. It deals briefly with this issue.

If you are referring to the Jet Li movie The One (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0267804/fullcredits#cast), then yes, but it's been quite a while and I don't remember that part.

Have you seen the horror flick C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/)?

I think that's the real America that Palin keeps on referring too. :wow: :no:

[vinea]

Powell was never conservative socially. The RINOs like him, Ar-NALD and others brought in during the big tent have done nothing but tarnished the image of Republicans.


Ooooh...it was RINO's and not the folks that follow Limbaugh and Hannity like the 2nd coming that tarnished the image of Republicans.

Yep, I'm a moderate Republican. A "RINO" according to the mouthbreathers that drove our party off the cliff.

[vinea]

Ooooh...it was RINO's and not the folks that follow Limbaugh and Hannity like the 2nd coming that tarnished the image of Republicans.

Yep, I'm a moderate Republican. A "RINO" according to the mouthbreathers that drove our party off the cliff.

Uh...I was trying to quote trumptman but it wouldn't find the post so I just cut and pasted from another reply.

Now it appears he's gone...not banned but like *poof* trumptman who?

[jimmac]

If you are referring to the Jet Li movie The One (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0267804/fullcredits#cast), then yes, but it's been quite a while and I don't remember that part.

Have you seen the horror flick C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/)?

I think that's the real America that Palin keeps on referring too. :wow: :no:

In the first scene he's traveling between universes on the eve of the 2000 election. In our universe Bush wins. In the alternate it's president Gore that he sees on TV as the winner.

A small joke by the movie makers perhaps?

I haven't seen " The Confederate Sates Of America " but I'll check it out.

[jimmac]

Kind of an interesting note if you like Star Trek.

I'm guessing that most of you know I do!

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/06/obama-first-trekkie-president/

Obama First Trekkie President

No matter what you think of it Star Trek has always been about forward and progressive thinking.

[jimmac]

I like this guy. He isn't wasting time waiting for January.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/22/obama.economy/index.html

Obama outlines job-creation plan Story Highlights
President-elect proposes rebuilding roads, bridges, schools

Plan would create 2.5 million jobs by 2011, he says

Rebublicans and Democrats will need to work together, negotiate, he says

[trumptman]

Kind of an interesting note if you like Star Trek.

I'm guessing that most of you know I do!

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/06/obama-first-trekkie-president/



No matter what you think of it Star Trek has always been about forward and progressive thinking.

I always thought of Trek a a bit fascist.

[@_@ Artman]

I always thought of Trek a a bit fascist.

I'M CAPTAIN KIRK!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fu656gGkhI) :lol:

[jimmac]

I always thought of Trek a a bit fascist.


Only you would.:rolleyes:

Nice try but you'll have to do better than that!:lol:

[jimmac]

I'M CAPTAIN KIRK!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fu656gGkhI) :lol:



You can always count on Youtube!:lol:

[e1618978]

I always thought of Trek a a bit fascist.

They don't have money in the Federation, so its something other than capitalism.

http://www.kyradesign.co.uk/kate/opinion/trek.html

But Star Trek is a whole universe, with multiple systems of government.

[jimmac]

They don't have money in the Federation, so its something other than capitalism.

http://www.kyradesign.co.uk/kate/opinion/trek.html

But Star Trek is a whole universe, with multiple systems of government.

OMFG! :lol::no:

Just try to tell Paramount it's something other than capitalism!:lol:

[@_@ Artman]

See what eating pie can do for you?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2008/12/1222_obama.jpg

:smokey:

[FloorJack]

Since he gave up the church he has more time for the gym.

[Outsider]

Since he gave up the church he has more time for the gym.It is a better use of his time.

[FloorJack]

It is a better use of his time.

I might agree but it depends on how many votes he can get by pretending to be pious.

[Hassan i Sabbah]

I might agree but it depends on how many votes he can get by pretending to be pious.

I never had you down for a righteous Christian, scott_h_phd.

But honestly, I'M REALLY SORRY BARACK OBAMA WON.

Just when things were going so well with George Bush II, the American people go and elect the reincarnation of Leon Trotsky. :no:

I hate many things and people, too. Hatey hatey hate hate.

[@_@ Artman]

I might agree but it depends on how many votes he can get by pretending to be pious.

DOH?!

http://http-server.carleton.ca/~zcrook/08%20-%20RealJesus.jpeg

Well, Jebus was black. Just don't tell Daddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ42IMu7HIQ)...

[e1618978]

That guy doesn't look black to me - he doesn't even look Palestinian. He looks Greek - maybe Jesus was gay?

[@_@ Artman]

That guy doesn't look black to me - he doesn't even look Palestinian. He looks Greek - maybe Jesus was gay?

Stop that! Jesus wasn't gay. He was a married man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095497/)!

As for the browness... (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282186.html?page=1&c=y)

"While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image (above) of the most famous face in human history.

Love this comment...

i thought POPULAR MECHANICS was about techno stuff and sciantific proof, if i wanted religion, i'd have gone to church, this pic and artical is news to me, this is the first time i've seen it, and from this day on, my family, my friends and their familys have decided to cancle our subscriptions to P.M. and we will no longer enjoy your mag, as i said before if we wanted jesus we would go to a church. Thank You

Praise Jeebus.

[e1618978]

I really don't think that picture can be accurate. Sure, maybe the skin and hair color, but Jesus was an extraordinarily ugly man, and that guy is pretty handsome.

"He grew up like a young plant and like a root out of the dry ground; he had no form or comeliness that we should look upon him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by all, a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief, and as one from whom men hide their faces, he was despised, and we esteemed him not." (from Isaiah 53)

[@_@ Artman]

I really don't think that picture can be accurate. Sure, maybe the skin and hair color, but Jesus was an extraordinarily ugly man, and that guy is pretty handsome.

"He grew up like a young plant and like a root out of the dry ground; he had no form or comeliness that we should look upon him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by all, a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief, and as one from whom men hide their faces, he was despised, and we esteemed him not." (from Isaiah 53)

Then why do people prop him up like this?

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/img/JesusWithBlueEyes.jpg

Of course people will always venerate him, make him look handsome and "comely".

But...

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. - Exodus 20:2–17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Text_of_the_Ten_Commandments)

Jeez, these commandments are complicated. Can't we abbreviate them? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz0-HY1TLU)

BOT: This is why I hate people that compare Obama (ANYONE) as a "messiah".

Anyone who does is an idiot.

[jimmac]

Stop that! Jesus wasn't gay. He was a married man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095497/)!

As for the browness... (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282186.html?page=1&c=y)



Love this comment...



Praise Jeebus.

Well about the comment. It's not that uncommon to find so called religious people more interested in validating their image of the truth than the truth itself.

Really sad that.

And yes Obama isn't the second coming. It gets a little like a recent " South Park " episode. http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/209729
If you're not familure with it watch the clip :

Celebrate Good Obama!:lol:

I think part of it is just the relief people feel after 8 years of you know who.

[addabox]

Obama has thrown Jesus under the bus!

Dear lord, he hasn't even taken office yet and already his administration is the most corrupt, godless, cynical, bus-throwing-under grandmother-murdering birth-certificate-forging in the history of the country!

You thought Bill Clinton was bad! You though the commies were waiting in their bunkers! You thought the dog is telling you who to kill!

Booga booga booga booga booga!!!!

[jimmac]

Obama has thrown Jesus under the bus!

Dear lord, he hasn't even taken office yet and already his administration is the most corrupt, godless, cynical, bus-throwing-under grandmother-murdering birth-certificate-forging in the history of the country!

You thought Bill Clinton was bad! You though the commies were waiting in their bunkers! You thought the dog is telling you who to kill!

Booga booga booga booga booga!!!!

And besides He won the election damn it! ;):lol:

[trumptman]

See what eating pie can do for you?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2008/12/1222_obama.jpg

:smokey:

Apparently when Obama said he was going to create 2.5 million jobs, he meant just in his motorcade.:lol::D

You should be proud Artman. You and I together have now told two jokes more than SNL, etc have about Obama. We should be getting paid something shouldn't we?

I never had you down for a righteous Christian, scott_h_phd.

But honestly, I'M REALLY SORRY BARACK OBAMA WON.

Just when things were going so well with George Bush II, the American people go and elect the reincarnation of Leon Trotsky. :no:

I hate many things and people, too. Hatey hatey hate hate.

We know you don't hate Hassan, but then again when you put on your panama hat, it isn't for a hand rolled cigarette.:lol:

Obama has thrown Jesus under the bus!

Dear lord, he hasn't even taken office yet and already his administration is the most corrupt, godless, cynical, bus-throwing-under grandmother-murdering birth-certificate-forging in the history of the country!

You thought Bill Clinton was bad! You though the commies were waiting in their bunkers! You thought the dog is telling you who to kill!

Booga booga booga booga booga!!!!

Come now, since he has all the same old Clinton people back, they will probably do a little better at managing the scandals this time. Plus thanks to generational politics, there won't be any government shutdowns this time for those evil interns to take advantage of with regard to Obama. Santa Obama will be too busy passing out monopoly dollars to stimulate the economy to worry about real birth certificates. Beside how hypocritical would it be to worry about real birth certificates when our currency is going to be the big fake matter.

And besides He won the election damn it! ;):lol:

The answer to anything and everything.

[@_@ Artman]

You should be proud Artman. You and I together have now told two jokes more than SNL, etc have about Obama. We should be getting paid something shouldn't we?

For someone who hates the media so much, you sure watch too much of it. :no:

[trumptman]

For someone who hates the media so much, you sure watch too much of it. :no:

I don't have to watch any of it. I can just read the articles that let us know the Democratic targets were displeased. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/15/paterson.snl/index.html)

Btw, remember per midwinter, the fact that the media reported he was displeased and didn't question whether the displeasure was appropriate or not constitutes an "investigation" and "reporting" as opposed to merely just repeating what the Democrat wants. We can't question that coverage now.

I'll know when there is an Obama joke and also when Obama doesn't find it funny. It will be front page news.

[@_@ Artman]

Merry Christmas! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001HWKAVE?ie=UTF8&tag=frodaddy&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001HWKAVE) *

* #1 best seller on Amazon.com’s ‘Office Products: Best Seller’s List', aintcha proud?

[@_@ Artman]

I don't have to watch any of it. I can just read the articles that let us know the Democratic targets were displeased. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/15/paterson.snl/index.html)

Wow, it took everybody that long to realize that SNL hasn't been funny since 1979? :no:

[trumptman]

Merry Christmas! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001HWKAVE?ie=UTF8&tag=frodaddy&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001HWKAVE) *

* #1 best seller on Amazon.com’s ‘Office Products: Best Seller’s List', aintcha proud?

You didn't get yours yet Art? Amazon told me you would have it by the 24th.;)

[jimmac]

Wow, it took everybody that long to realize that SNL hasn't been funny since 1979? :no:


Yup! Sad but true. The only time it got funny in recent history was with the Palin sketches.

[@_@ Artman]

You didn't get yours yet Art? Amazon told me you would have it by the 24th.;)

I'm still waiting for my piece of history (http://www.victoryplate.com/?directLoad&uid=A0292CC4910CD68EE7E5A9210B4D82C6), thank you. :rolleyes:

[trumptman]

Remember to buy the lie and that there is no double-standard.

Obama is going to be awesome.........for doing the same things Bush does but having the media now paint it so positively.

Tale of two presidential workout fanatics
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2008

Ah, the perks of media affection. On Christmas Day, the Washington Post delivered a front-page paean to Barack Obama’s workout habits. The 1,233-word ode to O’s physical fitness read more like a Harlequin romance novel than an A-1 news article.

Sighed smitten reporter Eli Zaslow: “The sun glinted off chiseled pectorals sculpted during four weightlifting sessions each week, and a body toned by regular treadmill runs and basketball games.” Drool cup to the newsroom, stat.

Zaslow imparted us with vital information about buff Bam’s regimen: “Obama has gone to the gym for about 90 minutes a day, for at least 48 days in a row.” The Washington Post enlightened us with more gushing commentary from Obama friends and associates who explain how, as the subtitle of Zaslow’s opus put it, “Gym Workouts Help Obama Carry the Weight of His Position.”

For adoring journalists, you see, Obama’s workout fanaticism demonstrates his discipline and balance in his life. Apparently, what’s good for Obama’s glistening pecs is good for the country. Zaslow quoted Obama Chicago crony Marty Nesbitt, who offered this diagnosis: “He doesn’t think of it as something he has to do — it’s his time for himself, a chance for him to reflect. It’s his break. He feels better and more revved up after he gets in his workout.”

And when Obama feels better, the skies will part, the sun will shine (in moderate, environmentally-correct, non-global warming-inducing amounts, of course) and peace will reign worldwide!

Too bad the doughy, McDonald’s-chomping, coffee-guzzling members of the White House press corps couldn’t see the merits of White House exercise over the past eight years. After giggling about his out-of-shape colleagues in the media, Zaslow mentioned in passing that President George W. Bush shares Obama’s commitment to health. What he failed to acknowledge is that the same reporters who so greatly admire Obama’s lithe figure derided Bush for his training schedule.

Former Washington Post writer Jonathan Chait famously attacked Bush three years ago in an opinion piece for the Los Angeles Times headlined, “The (over)exercise of power.” Recounting how President Bush ran 3 1/2 miles a day and preached more cross-training to a federal judge, Chait fumed: “Am I the only person who finds this disturbing?…What I mean is the fact that Bush has an obsession with exercise that borders on the creepy.”

Chait argued that Bush’s passionate devotion to exercise was a dereliction of duty. “Does the leader of the free world need to attain that level of physical achievement?” he jeered. “It’s nice for Bush that he can take an hour or two out of every day to run, bike or pump iron. Unfortunately, most of us have more demanding jobs than he does.”

Can you imagine any member of the Obamedia mocking the incoming gym rat-in-chief this way?

Chait was not alone. Reuters journalist Caron Bohan weaved the same unhinged themes into a piece on Bush’s two-hour, 17-mile bike ride with cycling champ Lance Armstrong in Crawford, Texas in 2005. After noting his six-day-a-week workout schedule, Bohan steered the piece into an anti-war screed:

“Bush says exercise helps sharpen his thinking. But some of his critics view his exercise obsession as an indulgence that takes time away from other priorities. Among them is Cindy Sheehan, the Vacaville, California, mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, who until late last week was camped out down the road from Bush’s ranch seeking a meeting with him to discuss her opposition to the war. Sheehan, who left her vigil on Thursday to tend to her sick mother, has said she believes Bush should take fewer bike rides to have more time to focus on the “the nation’s work.”

Fit Republican president = Selfish, indulgent, creepy fascist.

Fit Democratic president = Disciplined, health-conscious Adonis role model.

The good news: In just a few short weeks, W. will be able to exercise in peace, free from the disapproving glares of journalists now rushing to mop the sweat — er, the glisten — from Barack Obama’s hallowed brow.

This is a powerful and succinct example of the media double-standard.

[@_@ Artman]

Remember to buy the lie and that there is no double-standard.

Obama is going to be awesome.........for doing the same things Bush does but having the media now paint it so positively.

This is a powerful and succinct example of the media double-standard.

Gee, another un-cited and basically lame rant...meanwhile, a woman vomits shit live on network television (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/28/rice.administration/?iref=mpstoryview).

[jimmac]

Gee, another un-cited and basically lame rant...meanwhile, a woman vomits shit live on network television (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/28/rice.administration/?iref=mpstoryview).

Ask him if Obama will start a pointless war in Iraq on a lie? Then have millions buy the lie until it becomes appparent that it was a lie.;)

And about what Rice said I'm beginning to feel a little nauseous my self!

I understand that with the Dinosaurs their bodies were so big and nerve impulses only travel so fast that they could have a tree fall on them, break their back, and still be moving around not realizing yet that they were already dead.

[@_@ Artman]

She's only upset that George wasn't one of the popular kids. :smokey:

[trumptman]

Gee, another un-cited and basically lame rant...meanwhile, a woman vomits shit live on network television (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/28/rice.administration/?iref=mpstoryview).

What the hell is this? Chopped liver?

Tale of two presidential workout fanatics
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2008

Former Washington Post writer Jonathan Chait famously attacked Bush three years ago in an opinion piece for the Los Angeles Times headlined, “The (over)exercise of power.”

[e1618978]

trumpt - you and the other people jumping up to find fault with Obama at this early stage are becoming the boy who cried wolf.

Wouldn't it be a more successful strategy to embrace him now and then jump on him when he actually does something wrong?

[@_@ Artman]

What the hell is this? Chopped liver?

Tale of two presidential workout fanatics
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2008

Former Washington Post writer Jonathan Chait famously attacked Bush three years ago in an opinion piece for the Los Angeles Times headlined, “The (over)exercise of power.”

Michelle Malkin = Chopped Tuna

You're boring me trump, boring me...:\

How many more fucking days? (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/28/cheney-low-polls-dont-know/)

[trumptman]

Gee, another un-cited and basically lame rant...meanwhile, a woman vomits shit live on network television (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/28/rice.administration/?iref=mpstoryview).

trumpt - you and the other people jumping up to find fault with Obama at this early stage are becoming the boy who cried wolf.

Wouldn't it be a more successful strategy to embrace him now and then jump on him when he actually does something wrong?

First, noting that the news creators are reporting propaganda instead of news isn't really an attempt to knock Obama down. So when Bush ran three miles or when Obama runs three miles, it isn't an attempt to knock one down and build the other up. I don't and didn't think Bush a better president or Obama a worse president for running, swimming or hooping it up a certain number of hours per day.

Is is really crying wolf to note that glistening abs won't bring peace to the middle east? Maybe my standards are too high I guess.

The second part is justifiable though which is that when you run as an agent of change and reform, you can't engage in business as usual.

So as part of this two prong approach, let's look at some of the stuff I have posted here. There was a thread called "How Obama was Elected" and the presumption was that Obama voters were ignorant. I actually challenged that and noted it wasn't that they were ignorant but were fully informed about what the media had reported. The problem wasn't with Obama or the voters but with the media. If they knew that Palin's daughter was pregnant, that she saw Russia from her front porch, but didn't know that Biden's son had been indicted and that Obama had gaffed about 57 states, it was because they were informed by the media who reported things in a one sided fashion.

Many media outlets are soon going to be in need of a bailout of their own due to reporting propaganda instead of news. The ones that do it the most are the ones suffering the most. In particular the NY Times is out of cash and is selling of assets and mortgaging out the building they own. Newsweek just altered their circulations expectations and the rates they charge for it. CBSNews, and MSNBC are dead last in ratings and revenue in their respective categories.

Some will say this is just about newspapers dying but it is about news agencies that don't report news. Polls and studies show it and the people who get their news from those sources know it as well.

I've examined this from a generational angle as well. I've noted things like there are generational blind spots that not just Bush, but Obama and boomers in general suffer from that will limit the effectiveness of any solutions they put forward. That isn't a party thing. Obama isn't bad because he has done something wrong but if what he is advocating doesn't make sense, why help him do it. You can't generate wealth with the stroke of a pen. Running deficits creates inflation and is a stealth tax increase and that is true when Bush is doing it or when Obama is proposing to do it. Printing dollars doesn't create wealth be it banks, governments, or derivatives doing it.

We don't need to have a pendulum swinging from one non-solution to another. We need something that works. When people turn off their brains simply declaring it is crying over spilled milk because the pendulum has swung one way and the other end doesn't like it, that isn't true in the case of me and won't be true much longer for us as a nation.

You are old enough to remember Ross Perot attacking the deficit and the screaming about $40 billion dollar bailouts. We can't just keep saying it didn't die or crash yet so it can't be broken. People are linng up multiple bills of half a trillion to a trillion dollars a piece. The numbers are insane and it doesn't matter whether Republicans want $700 billion and Democrats want $800 billion. Neither is sustainable or workable. They are both terrible solutions and the media won't report on it and the parties aren't attacking it in part because they all belong to the same influential group in the same age bracket.

Obama is supposed to be change. The only change so far is the same generation telling the bigger lies, running the printing presses even more and spending the most money ever.

Fool me once, shame you you, fool me twice, shame on me. That is the way it should be for the second go around here. Skepticism should be what we raise when a reformer appoints the same old guard and begins engaging in the same old actions.

[@_@ Artman]

http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/ambig.gif

[jimmac]

trumpt - you and the other people jumping up to find fault with Obama at this early stage are becoming the boy who cried wolf.

Wouldn't it be a more successful strategy to embrace him now and then jump on him when he actually does something wrong?


Nah that's not the Redmajority way! You know that clubhouse for bad boys that no one wanted to play with.;)

[franksargent]

Nah that's not the Redmajority way! You know that clubhouse for bad boys that no one wanted to play with.;)

No, not The Vanishing (1993, 1988) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vanishing_(1993_film)), but The Great PO Conservative Vanishing (2008).

10-20-2008 (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showpost.php?p=1327138&postcount=53)
11-21-2008 (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showpost.php?p=1342017&postcount=7)

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

[jimmac]

No, not The Vanishing (1993, 1988) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vanishing_(1993_film)), but The Great PO Conservative Vanishing (2008).

10-20-2008 (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showpost.php?p=1327138&postcount=53)
11-21-2008 (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showpost.php?p=1342017&postcount=7)

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

What is the sound of one hand clapping?


Someone from the right waving bye, bye!:lol:

[tonton]

In every single thread, Trumptman is going on, and on, and on, about Obama being exactly the same thing as Bush and the republicans. He's trying to attack Obama by saying that his "change" isn't change at all, or isn't enough change, or something like that...

I'd really like Trumptman to explain how not lying to start a multi-billion dollar war is the same as lying to start a multi-billion dollar war. I'd really like Trumptman to explain how not cutting taxes overwhelmingly benefitting the rich is the same as cutting taxes overwhelmingly benefitting the rich. I'd really like Trumptman to explain how supporting socialized health care reform is the same as opposing socialized healthcare reform. I'd really like Trumptman to explain how not deregulating into a culture of corruption is the same thing as deregulating into a culture of corruption.

Oh, but Obama works out. Bush worked out. So WHERE'S THE CHANGE?

[trumptman]

In every single thread, Trumptman is going on, and on, and on, about Obama being exactly the same thing as Bush and the republicans. He's trying to attack Obama by saying that his "change" isn't change at all, or isn't enough change, or something like that...

Or something like that?!?!?!

Bush helped the Republicans trash themselves by by leading the way to Republicans become Democrat-lite. The party that shut down the government to stop deficit spending now feels conservative if they get a few billion whittled off bills of half a trillion dollars.

The claim is that Obama will "fix" what Bush did by simply being better and different but most of what Obama is proposing or has discussed is actual the same actions Bush took but full scale, not the lite version.

I'd really like Trumptman to explain how not lying to start a multi-billion dollar war is the same as lying to start a multi-billion dollar war.

First on the lying bit. Gore or Obama would have had the same intelligence gathered from the same agencies as Bush did. It is fun to believe they would have acted differently but Obama has kept Gates and has appointed many Democrats who voted for the war or publicly supported it via statements to his cabinet. Rahm, stated he would have voted for it. Clinton, Daschle, and Biden did vote for it. In other words, supporting war including the Iraq war still gets you a slot in the cabinet.

Obama has not declared that preemptive war is wrong. Quite the opposite, he has declared that it is acceptable and that he will just do it better than Bush. Thus he wouldn't have us in Iraq but still would have attacked and supports pouring more troops and money into Afghanistan. He has not declared he will stop us from being the cop of the world via Pax Americana, rather again, the opposite. His speech in Germany declared that we should double down on this policy. The claim is that American has not properly been a force for good in the world and has acted in a questionable way with regard to applying force. The real question shouldn't be are we applying force properly, but rather why should we be wandering the globe applying force at all.

Obama claims he will apply that force properly and commits to applying it more than ever before. In other words he will do preemptive war right, but not get us out of the war and global cop business.

So Obama will be a "change" in this regard, but not really because he simply declares we will be a better cop and use his judgment for a preemptive war done right. We should be out of the cop and war business in my view.

I'd really like Trumptman to explain how not cutting taxes overwhelmingly benefitting the rich is the same as cutting taxes overwhelmingly benefitting the rich.

The math for Obama's tax cut doesn't add up and I have explained this. The rich do not have their money come to them primarily through income. When Warren Buffet complained that he secretary paid a higher tax rate than him, it is because he gets his income from stock and dividends and she gets hers from income.

Guys like Steve Jobs, the founders of Google, etc. all work for "income" of a dollar a year. It is stock options that they exercise that gives them their money. Declaring that you will raise taxes on upper income while providing a tax cut for lower income doesn't address this at all. The numbers won't add up and it will add to the deficit. Obama has mentioned that he might not limit it to income but if the rate are confiscatory, then the investment and dollars just dry up and printing more of them won't solve that problem.

I'd really like Trumptman to explain how supporting socialized health care reform is the same as opposing socialized healthcare reform.

Obama doesn't fully support socialized healthcare reform. He has stated that if health care were "affordable" then people would buy it. The non-mandatory nature of his plan as argued quite vigorously throughout the Democratic primary. He claims that cutting paper work and more preventative care will lead to enough savings to cover more people. Finally the big kicker is that he has the federal government assume the costs for "catastrophic" patients so insurance doesn't have to cover them and thus can lower their premiums. Obama is not supporting single payer health care.

I'd really like Trumptman to explain how not deregulating into a culture of corruption is the same thing as deregulating into a culture of corruption.

Oh, but Obama works out. Bush worked out. So WHERE'S THE CHANGE?

I'll address this only briefly but this could easily be a book or two until itself. One of the reasons "deregulation" has caused problems is because you have government measures that claim to remove risk from the system and make it safe to play with fewer rules. Thus we don't need as many rules for creating mortgages because Fanny and Freddie (GSE's) will be