America Was Founded By Christians

[Proud American]

Yes, America was founded by Christians. The radical left wing hates the idea, and hates those who believe it was, but the truth is still the truth.

There is a major war in America. It does not involve weapons. It is all about the control of the future of America. It is a war of values. Those who strongly believe in God are being attacked by those who want a secular, atheistic, socialistic *"changed" society. The war is growing in intensity.

Take a look at the website below and you will see the facts that strongly supports the concept that America is and was a Christian country.
America was founded by those who believe in Jesus Christ.

http://www.faithofourfathers.net/

[@_@ Artman]

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1797 Treaty of Tripoli (Article 11) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli) - The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

Benjamin Franklin - Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.

Benjamin Franklin - The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.

George Washington - Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause.

James Madison - During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

James Madison - Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.

John Adams - God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world John Adams - This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it

Thomas Jefferson - Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.

Thomas Jefferson - History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.

Thomas Jefferson - I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies

Thomas Jefferson - In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own

Thomas Jefferson - It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. Thomas Jefferson - Political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves [of public ignorance] for their own purpose

Thomas Jefferson - Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear

Thomas Jefferson - The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.

Thomas Jefferson - To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise

Thomas Paine - All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. Thomas Paine - Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and of my own part, I disbelieve them all.

Thomas Paine - It is from the bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder, for the belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man, and the bible is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind

Thomas Paine - Of all the tyrannies that afflict mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst. Every other species of tyranny is limited to the world we live in, but this attempts a stride beyond the grave and seeks to pursue us into eternity

Thomas Paine - The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called religion.

There are more, but I don't have the time right now. Point being, in case anyone is confused, is that a number of Founding Fathers (and clearly some framers) were not believers, and the United States of America, as stated in the Treaty of Tripoli, is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian (or any other) religion.

I'm back...:smokey:

[FloorJack]

Yes, America was founded by Christians. The radical left wing hates the idea, and hates those who believe it was, but the truth is still the truth.

There is a major war in America. It does not involve weapons. It is all about the control of the future of America. It is a war of values. Those who strongly believe in God are being attacked by those who want a secular, atheistic, socialistic *"changed" society. The war is growing in intensity.

Take a look at the website below and you will see the facts that strongly supports the concept that America is and was a Christian country.
America was founded by those who believe in Jesus Christ.

http://www.faithofourfathers.net/


Who cares? (Obviously you do) There's only a culture war if we choose to fight it.

[addabox]

As a member of the radical left, let me just say that I do, indeed, hate the idea.

I hate all ideas. I hate myself. So much so that I'm willing to throw lot my lot in with a godless Negro, who will presently be sending me to a reeducation camp.

Where I will be rubbing shoulders with Christians. At which point I will feast on their entrails.

Radical leftism: it's crazy, man.

[@_@ Artman]

Proud American should be proud. Because the Pilgrims did come to America to escape religious persecution and wanted to worship their religious beliefs freely.

Then them pesky pagan Indians got in the way. :\

[Kickaha]

Oh good god, what am I doing?

You have *one post*??

Troll.

Bye all, have fun.

[FloorJack]

Oh good god, what am I doing?

You have *one post*??

Troll.

Bye all, have fun.



Maybe lundy can invent The lundy Doctrine and do a preemptive banning?

[BRussell]

Wow artman, that was some fast action there.

[ronaldo]

This point can be argued until hell freezes over.

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

[@_@ Artman]

Wow artman, that was some fast action there.

In before lock. Or before the Spanish Inquisition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprjmoSMJ-o).

[screener]

Yes, America was founded by Christians. The radical left wing hates the idea, and hates those who believe it was, but the truth is still the truth.

There is a major war in America. It does not involve weapons. It is all about the control of the future of America. It is a war of values. Those who strongly believe in God are being attacked by those who want a secular, atheistic, socialistic *"changed" society. The war is growing in intensity.

Take a look at the website below and you will see the facts that strongly supports the concept that America is and was a Christian country.
America was founded by those who believe in Jesus Christ.

http://www.faithofourfathers.net/
I suppose in your version of America, non believers be burned at the stake, expelled or what ever else the church leaders demand for penance, right?

The idea, in case your perverted sense of freedom denies it, is do what, feel what, believe what is right for you, not what's mandated by government mandated religion.

Get a fucking clue and stay away from my door.

[groverat]

I will have you know, sir, that I am an atheist and I am also the sole founder of America.

Thank you VERY MUCH!

[Proud American]

I have a few questions for you that you need to consider:

1. Are you pro-homosexual?
2. Are you pro-murdering unborn children?
3. Are you pro-socialism?
4. Are you pro-Big Brother government / authoritarianism ?
5. Are you pro-Open Borders?
6. Are you pro-Government Rationed Health Care i.e. Government Health
Care?

Are these your values? Are these the values that Christ would
endorse? Are these Biblical values we should live by?

These are the values of one Barack Hussein Obama.

Do you want someone running your country who holds all of these
values? Are you looking at the character projected on TV and not at
the core of the man and what he truly believes in?

The US media is doing all it can to shove this candidate down your
throats while making war hero John McCain and very Christian, Sarah
Palin look as bad as possible.

This is America's future we are dealing with. This is your future and
the future your children. If we vote for a man who holds all the
above values, we could see a massive "change" for sure. We could see
America, the last real hold-out of liberty and limited government
turned into a socialist country just like those in Europe where
government in deeply involved in every aspect of your life controlling
and forcing you and your family to submit while limiting your
opportunities for advancement in business, and most definitely in the
area of prosperity. But it gets even worse.

The real difference between Democrats and Republicans is their view of
God vs. government. To the leftist Democrat, God is inconsequential.
However, Government is the only god of the Left. This is why you now
see a massive anti-Christian attack machine operating in America.

[jimmac]

Proud American should be proud. Because the Pilgrims did come to America to escape religious persecution and wanted to worship their religious beliefs freely.

Then them pesky pagan Indians got in the way. :\

Good! I was going to bring that one up. People from the far right seems to always forget that alot of the things they are supporters of are things our founding fathers were running away from in the first place.;)

[FloorJack]

Proud American can you go be boring somewhere else?

[screener]

Show up at my door and I'll, show you what I'm for.

[hardeeharhar]

I have a few questions for you that you need to consider:

1. Are you pro-homosexual?
2. Are you pro-murdering unborn children?
3. Are you pro-socialism?
4. Are you pro-Big Brother government / authoritarianism ?
5. Are you pro-Open Borders?
6. Are you pro-Government Rationed Health Care i.e. Government Health
Care?

Are these your values? Are these the values that Christ would
endorse? Are these Biblical values we should live by?

These are the values of one Barack Hussein Obama.

Do you want someone running your country who holds all of these
values? Are you looking at the character projected on TV and not at
the core of the man and what he truly believes in?

The US media is doing all it can to shove this candidate down your
throats while making war hero John McCain and very Christian, Sarah
Palin look as bad as possible.

This is America's future we are dealing with. This is your future and
the future your children. If we vote for a man who holds all the
above values, we could see a massive "change" for sure. We could see
America, the last real hold-out of liberty and limited government
turned into a socialist country just like those in Europe where
government in deeply involved in every aspect of your life controlling
and forcing you and your family to submit while limiting your
opportunities for advancement in business, and most definitely in the
area of prosperity. But it gets even worse.

The real difference between Democrats and Republicans is their view of
God vs. government. To the leftist Democrat, God is inconsequential.
However, Government is the only god of the Left. This is why you now
see a massive anti-Christian attack machine operating in America.
You live in hell currently, Proud American. The devil has you all confused; he's convinced you that Jesus is for self-serving personal philosophy of governance. The devil has told you that Jesus would want unrelenting war, that caring for your neighbor makes you a vile communist, that serving humanity means sacrificing your soul on the false alter of liberalism. You are possessed by an evil that Jesus would rebuke -- a disconcern with those in need, a false belief of invincibility, a single minded moralism that ignores the individual while castigating society at large. You see, Proud American, you are being led by a false belief that you know Christ's intention, and yet His actions and words speak for themselves. Love thy neighbor. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone... etc...

Perhaps you should rethinking how Jesus would have responded to American bombs landing on Afghani babies before you stake any claim in the belief that Jesus is a Republican.

[screener]

Perhaps you should rethinking how Jesus would have responded to American bombs landing on Afghani babies before you stake any claim in the belief that Jesus is a Republican.
So called christians, or any religious sect that allow themselves to be swallowed by fanaticism are beyond reasoning with.

Fuck 'em.

[screener]

Maybe "fuck 'em" shouldn't be the operative line.

Maybe we should "stand on guard" against those that would bastardize your constitution, because as we have all seen, Americans aren't to well versed in the truth.

Wrap up a slogan in "God's Truth" and you're eligible for tax exempt status to spread
bullshit.

[iPoster]

Well, this topic gave me my chuckle for today! :lol:

[gastroboy]

Proud American should be proud. Because the Pilgrims did come to America to escape religious persecution and wanted to worship their religious beliefs freely.

Then them pesky pagan Indians got in the way. :\

What were those pesky Indians doing for the previous 30-40,000 years?

Keeping the seat warm for those freedom loving Pilgrims?

Who I understand didn't flee persecution so much as they fled the inability to persecute others.

Those Pilgrims then established a long and noble tradition of witch hunting, which still goes on today. Sarah Pailin only hunts moose because they've God-dang plumb ran out of witches in them thar parts.

[gastroboy]

I have a few questions for you that you need to consider:

1. Are you pro-homosexual?
2. Are you pro-murdering unborn children?
3. Are you pro-socialism?
4. Are you pro-Big Brother government / authoritarianism ?
5. Are you pro-Open Borders?
6. Are you pro-Government Rationed Health Care i.e. Government Health
Care?

Are these your values? Are these the values that Christ would
endorse? Are these Biblical values we should live by?

These are the values of one Barack Hussein Obama.

Do you want someone running your country who holds all of these
values? Are you looking at the character projected on TV and not at
the core of the man and what he truly believes in?

The US media is doing all it can to shove this candidate down your
throats while making war hero John McCain and very Christian, Sarah
Palin look as bad as possible.

This is America's future we are dealing with. This is your future and
the future your children. If we vote for a man who holds all the
above values, we could see a massive "change" for sure. We could see
America, the last real hold-out of liberty and limited government
turned into a socialist country just like those in Europe where
government in deeply involved in every aspect of your life controlling
and forcing you and your family to submit while limiting your
opportunities for advancement in business, and most definitely in the
area of prosperity. But it gets even worse.

The real difference between Democrats and Republicans is their view of
God vs. government. To the leftist Democrat, God is inconsequential.
However, Government is the only god of the Left. This is why you now
see a massive anti-Christian attack machine operating in America.

You forgot to mention the most important point of all that Barrack Obama is black, the color of the devil.

You are obviously a proud, God fearing, American Christian.

Would you like to buy this guaranteed original Polaroid of Jesus Christ shaking hands with the money changers in the temple?

I also have an original videotape documentary of cavemen playing baseball with dinosaurs.

If you ring and buy both today I'll throw in a free Dummies Guide to Adultery, Homosexuality and Embezzlement from the TV evangelist of your choice.

[lundy]

Same IP as Flat Stanley http://forums.appleinsider.com/member.php?u=41898

Is it the same guy?

[hardeeharhar]

Yup. Based solely on raising Christianity in the same way in several of his older posts...

[dutch pear]

Hey, nice! A poll with interesting questions :)


1. Are you pro-homosexual? Yes
2. Are you pro-murdering unborn children? Just as much as I am pro-pre-emptive wars
3. Are you pro-socialism? I'm Pro Social Democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democracy) (in a limited way, with as much free market as possible), which is what you mean when you are referring to Europe.
4. Are you pro-Big Brother government / authoritarianism ? No. That's what's Bush did, right?
5. Are you pro-Open Borders? As much as possible, yes (It increases living standards and wages in the originating countries and gets jobs filled the locals won't do). Here in Europe, opening borders to Polish laborers greatly and swiftly boosted Polands' living conditions and economy.
6. Are you pro-Government Rationed Health Care i.e. Government Health
Care? I am pro that everyone should have equal and affordable access to quality health care yes. There are ways to get everyone insured by private insurance companies. Guess what - you need smart government regulation to achieve that.

We could see America, the last real hold-out of liberty and limited government
turned into a socialist country just like those in Europe where government in deeply involved in every aspect of your life controlling and forcing you and your family to submit while limiting your opportunities for advancement in business, and most definitely in the area of prosperity. But it gets even worse.

Now, after that nice Euro-bash,

Let me enlighten you a bit about my experience of actually living all my 29 years in "un-free", "Socialist" Europe:


Everyone has access to affordable health care
Everyone has access to affordable College education, irregardless of what your parents earn.
Women have a right to choose in case of an unwanted pregnancy (both teenage pregnancies AND abortion rates are WAY lower than in the US)
When you lose your job you can get limited income to help you come around till you find your next job.
Real poverty is virtually absent
Both gun- and drugs-related crime/death rates are MASSIVELY lower than in the US. (Pretty Pro-life, I'd say :D )
My government hasn't got the right to spy on me without judicial approval
We actually get to choose from more than 2 real options when we choose the parties to govern us (though I get that might seem too confusing to you :p ).


Yes, we very likely pay more taxes than you. It gives us - ALL OF THE ABOVE - , so we happily CHOOSE to continue to do so. So, please, enlighten me by filling in a poll of my own making:

1. How and in what respect are we Europeans less "free" than you??
2. In what respect are we Europeans less "prosperous" than you, because it surely can't be living standards or happiness (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/06/news/happy.php)??

[tonton]

Welcome back, Moe.